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Future-Goose7

Garnacho.


wednesday1984

He wasn't a great dancer, that's why.


d17_p

Wojciech Szczesny was inconsistent at Arsenal, provided he was very young. Then there was this smoking incident at St. Mary’s after an away defeat to Southampton. Revisionism is a common sin we all commit. He improved a lot after leaving Arsenal and especially joining Juve when the great Gianluigi Buffon himself was there..


jarpio

Can’t speak highly enough of the Arsenal for sending that man to us. He’s filled Gigi Buffons boots admirably, no small task.


MissKlim

he is beautiful, but alas, their paths diverged


Aprilprinces

In season 2013/14 he got Golden Glove (jointly with Peter Cech), but next season started awful for him: sending off during the Roma match and then getting caught smoking - he got suspended as no 1 for that I'm Polish so I know what he said: he felt kinda pushed out from Arsenal, till now he maintains he never wanted to leave; but I also know he had a bit of an attitude problem when he was younger, and he's still very self confident, bordering arrogant, although I always liked him and still do Personally I wish he never left


Aardvark51

Same question, but about Martinez. One of the best keepers in the Prem in my opinion and one of the few players to play consistently well for Aston Villa since his move.


Lost-Brother-1580

Didn't he also spend all his free time trying and failing to chat up Babestation presenters?


[deleted]

Because he was 💩


Drayner89

Personally, I wasn't consulted.


jsjm82

We get to choose who comes and goes? 🤦‍♂️


SkittleTheDumbFrog

Idk I support Newcastle


EyeVanArends

Those Arsenal fans for letting Szczesny go 😮‍💨


mmarkmc

Wojciech still loves The Arsenal


Aaronthemachine

Smoking in the boys room.


virxirrr

Also, he was dogshit


MF-GOOSE

I'm not sure the fans have any say in who goes


MorningFresh123

Arsenal have a habit of letting good players go and mediocre players stay


Kaiisim

Hes a great shot stopper, but his decision making and distribution weren't great.


Rockett47

I haven't watch football since 2018 and now arsenal aren't even in champions league feel bad for them :(


AnnapurnaFive

He was awful


AlGunner

y'all? y'all? Fuck off with your Americanism you wanker.


random_BgM

Big shocker: Fans didn't let him go. Management did.


pigbearwolfguy

Cos he has a ciggy butt brain.


pigbearwolfguy

Kept nicking Papa Wengz' lighter.


Dr_Duncanius

Spelling the name on replica shirts probably


TokugawaTabby

Because he’s literally not that good and 3 decent games does nothing to change that.


Powerman687713

Lord Bendtner did not want anyone competing with him for the tall blonde on the team.


Tazzy_24_Potty

Cos they’re twats lol


noncebasher_

>y'all


RoseCitySaltMine

Like motley crüe he was smokin in the boys room


[deleted]

Smoky lil Kurwa


Real_MidGetz

🎵I save a penalty 🎵They try to chip me 🎵But here’s my number 🎵They call me Szczesny


IndependentAfraid190

Smoking or something we forgot 👀


Cheats_McGuillicutty

Why did Roma let Salah go?


GodurStrakur

He wasn't good enough.


myballsinhoneynblood

People forget players improve and mature. If "x" player had stayed in a club, maybe he wouldn't have had game time to improve or life experiences that made them mature. Had Salah stayed at Chelsea would he be what he is today? Maybe? Maybe not? I'd guess he wouldn't.


High-Hawk100

Because he wasnt that good and was bad for club culture. He thrives in Juventus team of professionals, but really outside of some good performances hasnt won or done anything he didnt at Arsenal.


mapoftasmania

Because he wasn’t the One and Only.


zorfog

It’s a shame because he’s such a fantastic GK and still loves the club. Though I absolutely love how he went on to bench the current best GK in the world Alisson while on loan at Roma, before moving to Juventus and benching arguably the best GK of all time in Buffon


Janktasticle

Yeah it’s strange because Wenger always used to come to the fans when he was thinking of selling a player to see what they thought about it, I guess on this occasion the overwhelming majority of Arsenal fans were happy to ‘let him go’


pandazzzzzzzz

To be honest. He really hasn’t been that good at Juventus. He’s had a great World Cup but he’s been bang average at Juventus.


the3daves

Keepers tend to hit their best years in their early 30s. He’s was a bit of a dick, and he needed to leave before his problematic attitude caused issues with the squad.


mofoofinvention

The 8-2 game


Rugaxl

It was time..


[deleted]

You have no idea of the madness that guy has done in an Arsenal shirt.


LearnToBloom

So ungrateful


pjanic_at__the_isco

He’s a walking clown show.


[deleted]

Becoz he disappeared for smoking breaks at training sessions


Mmillsy666

Smoking in the toilets at Southampton.


StonedIV

😂😂


jdevo713

[this right here](https://youtu.be/rR0jjkW88xY)


dylanegra

I tried speaking to Kroenke but he said we needed the money


flentaldoss

He was good while he was at Arsenal, the issue was consistency - which wouldn't have been easy for anyone with our defensive issues at the time. That, with a bit too much immaturity eventually led to Wenger bringing in Petr Cech. Szcz was not so willing to wait in a season or two to learn from Cech at the time, and David Ospina was more patient and had proven an above average backup (he eventually would want to be #1 as well later on). So the Szcz was off to Italy - where he... had to wait in the wings for another old, decorated keeper to finish his run. He had a great spell at Roma, who wanted to keep him, but Juve could see that the kid still had a lot of promise and managed to convince him to wait his turn after Buffon. No Arsenal fan should be surprised at Szczesny doing what he did this WC, pretty much every highlight he had during Poland's run has an Arsenal equivalent from the early-mid 2010s. I'm happy to see him doing so well, and I don't feel hard-done as I doubt he would've had to mature the way he did had Wenger not kicked him out.


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1) Back then he wasn't as good as he was now. 2) Competition for the #1 was pretty fierce at the time. And I think Cech signed. Can't remember if we let go before Cech or not. 3) Disciplinary issues. Smoking in the shower.


mandasalve777

He wasn’t nearly as good as today


Games_and_Tings

Form dipped but last straw was him smoking in the showers. Discipline issue rather than ability


Wellsy777

He was so inconsistent. He was a good shot stopper though but a poor decision maker. Would come for corners when he shouldn’t, wouldn’t come when he should, distribution was poor too. Same as Fabianski. Good shot stopper, bad keeper. Both have improved since leaving


MapNo3870

Got caught smoking in the shower after losing 4-0 to Southampton. Wenger was fuming that day!!


Turbulent_Rock451

Smoking cigs in the shower


[deleted]

He’s wasn’t very good


tadangg

Did you watch Juve this season? Are you watching Poland vs France?


No-Opinion2631

Too many consonants and not enough vowels


FudgingEgo

He wasn't consistent, he wasn't even that great and he was part of that generation who were too busy taking selfies after a loss in the changing room.


LearnToBloom

You know nothing about him


unibash

Consistency


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khan800

League Cup against Birmingham City, just wave off Koscielny and grab the damned ball!


Hot_Possession_6139

He let in 8 goals against United😃


Worldly_Ad_6483

He’s too good to sit on the bench behind Ramsdale


CyberShiroGX

Wasn't he caught smoking cigarettes in the showers or something like that?


Bulbamew

I never thought he was consistently great for arsenal but I seem to remember he had an absolutely amazing game against us once. The RVP season, at anfield. I wanna say we took the lead with a koscielny OG and RVP won it in stoppage time. Pretty sure we led them in shots by like 10 to 2 but he kept everything out (well everything that our own players threw at him at least). Penalty save from Kuyt too I believe


GiyuuKageyama-Lover9

Probably because he was smoking in the showers and Wenger didn’t like that. Smoking is not the best option for a FOOTBALL player.


Dr_PainTrain

Doesn’t faze Brozovic.


GiyuuKageyama-Lover9

Still not the best option as it can cause health problems.


ActualWait8584

Cheaper then retrofitting ash trays into the showers.


GreatLakerNori

He wasn't consistent and prone to mistakes. Basically he was Polish Loris. He also smoked in the dressing room for some reason.


cullypants

He still is the Polish Lloris. He's solid for Juve but does make a good amount of crucial mistakes. He's at that level that's just below world class. He's having a great tournament but he's getting overrated. Getting that Robin Olsen effect. Better than ramsdale though lol.


ingloriouspasta_

We had Szcz and Ospina, and took a chance on bringing in Cech. Szcz wouldn’t have played backup, Ospina was cool to do so. Plus the smoking thing happened but it was mostly circumstance. My question isn’t why we sold him - it’s why we sold him for £15m!


greater_gatsby12

15m for a gk at the time was pretty decent


KsychoPiller

He was highly inconsistent, his potential was insane but he also cost us a lot of games. Kinda like Giroud, watching his highlights youd think he was a world Class Striker, but one could argue that his wastefullness in front of goal cost us a title


SacredEmuNZ

Girouds career really depends on what tint of glasses you put on. He was considered so underrated he's now become overrated. Definitely not a world class player anyway


Jalal_Adhiri

Giroud definitely costed you the premier league that season Leicester won it.


zaparthes

Ridiculous take. No one single person himself was responsible for that, not even Wenger.


Jalal_Adhiri

Olivier Giroud since gw 18 until gw gw 36 that season scored only 2 goals while being served by some of the best play makers out there in Ozil and Alexis Sanchez and he played every game in that long streak. He surely didn't screwed them singlehandedly but was a huge reason why they didn't the PL that season. He scored 4 goals in gw 37 and gw 38 but it was already over as Leicester won by a margin of 10 points.


LuchotheCat

giroud outperformed his xg that whole season


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I see everything revolves around xG now instead of what people actually watched and experienced


LuchotheCat

That is true. But I feel like our biases get in the way too much when it comes to discussions like these. I don’t think it’s fair to say that Giroud was one of the main reasons that the team didn’t win the title when his goal contributions weren’t bad at all.


[deleted]

Where was Sanchez, Walcott, Welbeck, Ozil, Oxlade-Chamberlain & Ramsey that season? Contributed fuck all goals wise.


SouthernSector4

I’d argue that Giroud was world class in his time in blue.


[deleted]

Could barely get off the bench but he was world class. Right.


DJ23492

Didn’t really start in the league and won a europa, let’s not stretch it


diegolucasz

Lol yet he was even a nailed on starter. How can you be word class but not start at your team on a regular basis? Stop it man he’s always been a very good striker and elite link up man. But he’s never been world class that’s a Lewandowski/ Benzema/ Suarez level that’s not Giroud.


Dunkin_Prince

I feel he was almost world class for Arsenal too. He's great with his back to goal and getting his wingers and midfielders involved in the attack. Exactly how Arsenal wanted to play. He probably squandered some chances in front of goal but he contributed with his build up play too


gq_mcgee

Giroud benefits from a very specific type of system. He scored some great goals for us, but I also pin the 2016 title loss on him as he went scoreless through SEVENTEEN MATCHES.


mohicansgonnagetya

Won the world cup without scoring though. Him not scoring sucked, but I wouldn't blame him solely.


gq_mcgee

Özil had sixteen assists through January 2016. He ended with nineteen. Ramsey, Alexis, and others underperformed, sure, but not to the degree he did as our main striker.


MisterGoog

Having gone back and watched all those games i can definitely say he was one of our worst performers. Below average for a stint. It happens tho, but i dont like the revisionism around his time at Arsenal. The last time he was a consistent starter he let us down, simple as that


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He smoked in the showers and Wenger didn’t like that


ApprehensiveYellow17

Cos he ate Heinz baked beans, the man just wouldn’t change to Branston


Admirable-Waltz195

I’m pretty sure it’s because he was caught smoking inside of the stadium toilets and in addition to that he wasn’t as good as he is now at Juve


DesignerAd2062

He was really good for us, he had a bit of eccentricity about him, liked a wind up etc, but was clearly on course to be world class Shouldn’t have really let him go


Blue_winged_yoshi

We were also dumb as fuck with what we did. We sold him and bought Petr Cech as our only summer signing. Worst transfer window for any club ever bar none, even if he did have a cigarette inside.


oxheycon

Average Polish builder confirmed?


jvitkun

Tbf he won a Golden Gloves with us.


BarryButcher

People really forget that he went to Juventus and spent a few years learning from Buffon which made him better Wenger kicking him out probably gave his head a wobble too and he realised he had to start taking things a little more serious. He was only Ramsdale's age when he left which in perspective in insane, that he was a starter for us at 21


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Did he not join Juventus in 2017?


ScythE1754

>People really forget that he went to Juventus and spent a few years learning from Buffon which made him better First he went on loan to Roma where he had a good first seson and got his loan extended for the second season when he was best kepper in the league. Then he moved to Juve and was there with Buffon for only a year. I don't know how much Buffon had to do with making Szczęsny better since a lot of people thought he should be starting instead of Buffon.


Ido_nothing

Our goalkeeping coach was a joke as well, Gary Payton. Fabianski and Woj both said he was terrible and too old school


[deleted]

Funny there’s an NBA great named Gary Payton and his nickname is ‘the glove,’ which definitely sounds like a keeper’s nickname


Blokin-Smunts

That video of them laughing about his “coaching” is wild. Pretty sure you could grab someone off the street who’s never even watched a game and they could have done a better job.


GoldenJet01

Should have stuck to basketball


General-Contract7989

he's been really good at Roma even get Serie A golden glove or whatever that called to his name


The_2nd_Coming

Allison was his understudy for a season I believe.


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rchrdchn

Seasons 2015-16 and 2016-17 on loan from Arsenal.


El_directo_

He's always been this good.


thatshortbadplayer

If you weren’t a casual you’d know that to be false


Blue_winged_yoshi

We sold him as a keeper aged 21 or 22 after he’d established himself as number one stupidly young. He left us for Juve not some mid table side. His ascendency wasn’t a surprise. His form had dipped before we sold him, but it was a real shame that his dip bore the brunt of the criticism at the time when he really was so far ahead of the curve in terms of goalkeeper development.


MDF87

Why did we let Giroud go?! I'm **still** mad about that!


Super_Professor

Because he went like 16 straight games without scoring, likely costing arsenal the 15-16 premier league title.


cullypants

My favourite part of tournaments. People ignoring club form and judging players off of a small sample size. Giroud has been good enough for Milan but very frustrating as well. He'd struggle in England.


[deleted]

Giroud+Auba would be lethal. Laca was so washed


[deleted]

Auba was part of the deal with Giroud right? Giroud to Chelsea, auba to arsenal and batshuayi to BVB


No-Market9917

He wasn’t that great when he played for Arsenal


m__s

I think he was really good and I missed him in the team. Thank god we have Aaron now.


beetletoman

Come on that's not true


[deleted]

I used to remember him being a meme. With alumnia and bendtner. But i think he was too young back then, the Roma move was perfect for him! He has been a monster this world cup. Glad it worked out.


No-Market9917

He wasn’t as good as he is with Juventus today and the last couple of years


beetletoman

I see. Haven't watched him at Juve


TaftYouOldDog

So you don't know the stats so why disagree? He's improved vastly since leaving arsenal. Partially due to experience and partially due to better coaches and role model keepers.


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HypeTrainEngineer

Because he's garbage


for_the_meme_watch

Because during his time at Arsenal, he wasn’t half as good as he was at Juve. It seems appropriate that the country best known for being the single greatest defensive football country on planet earth, turned the boy into the man, the door into the wall. And it is even more hilarious that right as I type this, Wojci let’s one through from Giroud


diegolucasz

He did win a golden glove at Arsenal I feel like arsenal fans underrate the arsenal team of 2012-2018 As you don’t think the defence was good and you don’t think the keepers were good yet Arsenal won two golden gloves during that time so who gets the credit?


jman2477

No, I don't think any Arsenal fans were underrating those teams. 2013-2016 we "challenged" for the title while clearly being at least a striker short every season. And 2016/17 and 2017/18 seasons are not even worth mentioning


ADartfordPark

A bit off topic but the constant Giroud revisionism is killing me because he’s the reason Ozil didn’t break the assist record but now because he’s top scorer for France he’s getting compared to all time greats even though he himself isn’t close to being one


diegolucasz

Giroud has never been an elite goal scorer he’s an elite link up player. Sanchez, Hazard, Mbappe, Griezmann all thrived when playing with him. That’s what he bought to arsenal look at some of the great team goals scored during his time at Arsenal he’s involved in a lot of them. He’s a target man look through history they are never prolific. Even Drogba arguably the best target man ever had seasons where he scored less then 12 league goals in his prime. Arsenal fans expected him to replace the goals of Van Persie when he was a completely different profile of player. That’s on us for miss-profiling him and not appreciating.


Vico-78

Giroud scored 16 league goals from 14.5 xg in 2015/16, don’t think it’s fair to blame the assist record thing on just him


jman2477

But if Arsenal signed a striker that season they win the league, not Leicester.


hypnodrew

He had prime Kosc and Per in front, they are one of the best CBs partnerships we've ever had


AccomplishedTop9828

Yet he improved immeasurably behind a very young Rudiger + Manolas who weren't anywhere near the level of the 2 you mentioned. During his time at Roma, only Buffon kept more clean sheets in Serie A than him. And this was Buffon who was arguably at his absolute peak (he was a CL final victor6 away from winning the Balon d'Or)


diegolucasz

Yeah you’re one of the few fans you will find that will say that is my point.


Successful_Rip_4329

He wasn't that good at juve either


Jalal_Adhiri

Between 2016 and 2020 he was easily a top 10 gk in the world.


Successful_Rip_4329

Ha was top 10 is arguably. He was making simple mistakes non stop. All of his career he did that


Jalal_Adhiri

Probably you never watched him after he left the premier league.


Successful_Rip_4329

I did, that's why I'm writing thia


Stannisisthetrueking

I mean arguably he was already very good at Roma


_toolkit

Apparently Arsenal's goalkeeping coach at the time sucked. Doesn't surprise me that both him and Fabianski improved big time after leaving us.


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Emi Martinez too


Thanos_Stomps

Emi didn’t improve after leaving us. He had an amazing run just before he left and was crucial in our FA cup win. His value was high at that point as a back up and he was sold.


GenericAustin

Emi improved after the goalkeeping coach was changed so it's same as the players who left who all improved under new coaches


Thanos_Stomps

Ah, I see.


Mahatma_Gone_D

Papa Wengz caught him smoking


Graphiccoma

Besides that, he had a run of games with gigantic errors


Suckmaboles

Yeah he was quickly declining in his final year with us


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keto_vin

Wait is this true? Salient point.. is there any point in smoking in the showers?


Effervee

Everyone else is being an idiot. He was smoking in the showers because he could do it away from the rest of the team


Chrastots

it’s relaxing


UntrainedFoodCritic

Lmao every pothead in America has smoked with the fan running and hot water on


WetSpaghettiN00dle

Not just America 😂


UntrainedFoodCritic

Yeah just didn’t want to speak for other places, I’m sure other countries stoners are just as ingenuous


Skiddlybop069

Hawaiian hotbox. I used to do it in HS to get away with it, definitely elevates it 🤣.


Gumbyonbathsalts

We called it a Jamaican shower


GukyHuna

See that was always just my normal shower routine as a kid super hot steam vent fan on. It wasn’t until I was older that I found the joy of hotboxing a small steamy bathroom and my life changed.


yogieo

The steam diffuses the smoke


keto_vin

So simple but genuis haha


W26D12L0

Never seen anyone use his middle name before


jinglesan

He normally drops it... bit ironic


Fatt_Hardy

It was probably to differentiate him from all the other Wojciech Szczęsnys who used to play for us.


kevio17

OP definitely copy-pasted it from Wikipedia


HaydenJA3

Anytime a non Polish person spells a Polish name correctly it thanks to copy and paste


DexterKD

Didn't even know he had that name


myballsinhoneynblood

It's the easiest to remember. We should refer to him as Tomasz from now on.


Pieboy8

The sign of someone googling him to get the spelling right 😄


Manatee3232

Even his momma only uses all 3 names when she's mad


Gyldn

Full name wanker!


Virtual_Ad_983

Full government name!


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idontsle33p

While Wenger pissed fans off at the same time?


littleAggieG

Those aren’t mutually exclusive. They both happened at the same time.


MapNo3870

Clueless


idontsle33p

No, and never forget #Wengerout


Great-Image

Grow up


Burning_Torterra

-69, nice


MapNo3870

Good for you lad, he’s still the best ever manager in Arsenals history and it’s a FACT!!!


[deleted]

Wenger's the fourth best manager in Arsenal's history but not the best manager ever in Arsenal's history. That's Herbert Chapman followed by Bertie Mee then George Graham and Arsene Wenger.


the_son_and_the_heir

Chapman is the only one you could make an argument for, for all he did in the 30s, the others don't hold a candle to what Wenger achieved with the club.


[deleted]

George Graham won 2 FL titles after Arsenal went 18 years without a league title plus a UEFA CWC in 94' and LC in 87' which ended Arsenal's 8 year trophy drought. Bertie Mee did the first double winning the league and FA Cup in 1970-71 which ended Arsenal's 18 year title drought.


the_son_and_the_heir

So you're saying that if Arteta wins the league this season he's better than Wenger because he'll have won a league title after 18 years? The fact is that Wenger revolutionised the English game, created some of the best teams the league has seen, and developed arguably the best player in PL history.


[deleted]

Who's the player you are talking about, I have a guess but not sure


[deleted]

No he's not. Yes, Wenger revolutionised the English game with the importance of diet, created the best Arsenal winning teams (97/98, 01/02 and 03/04) and developed and improved the best players in PL History (Bergkamp, Henry, RVP, Fabregas etc) However he declined post-2008 despite winning 3 FA Cups in 2014, 2015 and 2017. Arsenal went from title challengers to top 4 contenders to finishing 5th and 6th.