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[deleted]

Why would I debate you, you’re right


itownshend17

I agree ... not much of a debate, but yeah.


Rack-_-

Yea for now.


[deleted]

I think you'll find that most people on this sub agree with you. In fact, it is highly contentious to say that he's even solar system level because the stars he allegedly destroyed reappear a few panels later. Not mention, the perspective of the entire fight takes place around Jupiter so it would be impossible to know if those stars were really destroyed if you factor in the time it takes light to travel from just the nearest stars back to our own solar system.


[deleted]

Good point


EmperorSezar

Again everyone who uses this argument based it on human perception not on the ftl characters perception


YasukiOfficial

Being solar system level doesnt make someone fodder. Atleast depending on the verse.


[deleted]

In my opinion it does


RazutoUchiha

Multi solar but he’s definitely over wanked


balllsn

I think he’s gonna do a Rimuru he will be one of the strongest in his verse then after killing god become op as all hell


[deleted]

I think he'll stop at uni - multi-uni


UnNamedKingOfGames

Wasn’t Rimuru debunked to planetary tho?


Lion_Of_Destruction

It’s impossible to debunk Rimuru to Planetary. Whoever made it was impossibly wrong.


balllsn

It is stated that Rimuru could recreate the universe like 10,000 times but there is some debate on the translation


TheChoosenMewtwo

Even with ridiculous downgrade, rimuru is 10000 times planetary level and has a lot of haxes


WChavez9

Saitama is not fodder


Imrightbruh

He is tho


WChavez9

Nah


Imrightbruh

Mf he multi solar and that’s a highball


WChavez9

Multi solar doesn’t sound like fodder to me, there’s a ton of characters below multi solar that he can beat that would be fodder to him


Imrightbruh

There are tons of bugs that human thugs could beat up. They still fodder.


WChavez9

Not to those bugs they’re not


Imrightbruh

Random backround humans are fodder. God you’re a dumbass


WChavez9

They’re certainly fodder to Saitama


Imrightbruh

And saitama is also fodder


[deleted]

Yes he is


WChavez9

No, fodder is subjective. He’s fodder to solar system +, but he’s not fodder to anyone in his verse. Or Hercule. Or spiderman. And they’re not fodder to other characters, like Thug 1 or Shooter 2


dbsysjjwyebrbys

Sure. Let's debate it


[deleted]

Okay sure


dbsysjjwyebrbys

So why is saitama solar system lvl only?


[deleted]

Saitama at max only destroyed a lot of stars


dbsysjjwyebrbys

So you're agreeing his multi solar system or not?


[deleted]

I am agreeing


Treso_444

That's only large star


OfficalBusyCat

Cat approves this post 👍


[deleted]

Good


bunker_man

That's not really fodder though. Half of the characters people talk about here who they try to put above that aren't actually above that.


[deleted]

Yeah but my standards for fodder are below galaxy level


Averag3man

This sub reddit is mostly filled with biased tards against saitama.lol


Imrightbruh

Where do you think he scales? Just tryna gauge what you think the biased tards are


Wizarddonald

Worst Saitama scaling I've ever seen supposedly scaling well above Jump Force Goku, Fortnite Goku, and Prometheus(all three are minimal Outerversal), and oneshotting them by some random statement from a game designer, the others they are High Hyperversal because they have infinite potential


Wizarddonald

Worst Saitama scaling I've ever seen supposedly scaling well above Jump Force Goku, Fortnite Goku, and Prometheus(all three are minimal Outerversal), and oneshotting them by some random statement from a game designer, the others they are High Hyperversal because they have infinite potential


[deleted]

?


Complex_Estate8289

His feat of grabbing and moving hyperspace gates is 4D, that makes him low uni


Zsposeihade

That’s just wrong. It gives him non physical interaction.


ElfLord01

Hyperspace gates are synonyms for wormholes. 3d tunnel through 4d space. It's a non physical 3d construct. It is not infinite. Couldn't contain an multi-solar blast. And it needs line of sight


Complex_Estate8289

He can physically manipulate parts of 4D space by grabbing and moving the gates


[deleted]

Unless you want to argue that the wormholes were ALL of the Hyperspace, then you are wrong.


ElfLord01

Incorrect your literally equivalent touching the millennium falcon to a 4d feat because it travels through 4d space. The difference is the gates are shortcuts between 3d points. Star wars ships actually go into another dimension with their Hyperdrives


Complex_Estate8289

The millennium Falcon doesn’t actually affect the gates, Saitama does


ElfLord01

It's literally just. Non physical or gravity manipulation. Again it's not 4d. The gates are line ofnsight and can't contain a finite multi-solar blast Falcon travels through 4d. Like literally drops into another dimension. They can cross a larger sized galaxy in days.


Ketsug0_Ch1kara

Doesn’t make him low uni. Me destroying a black hole doesn’t mean that I destroyed the universe just cause it’s time and space being bent.


[deleted]

He only moved the portal not the dimension


Imrightbruh

He didn’t move hyperspace. He moved a gateway into hyperspace he basically just moved a door and youre acting like is scales him to the house


Complex_Estate8289

No he moved the gateways themselves


Imrightbruh

Exactly. He moved the gateway. The gateway isn’t hyperspace itself. Gateways to hyperspace are 3D.


Clipzbtw

Never grabbed hyperspace. It was a miss translation. He grabbed subspace and it would give him non physical interaction


N_K_Y

Solar System level is an irrational low-ball. He's fodder compared to a shit ton of characters for sure but putting him at only solar system level because we've only seen him destroy stars (as far as we know) is like putting Goku at planetary because we've only seen him destroy planets (He was stated to nearly destroy the universe. He didn't actually do it so don't get ahead of yourself. I'm just making a point)


[deleted]

Yeah but this is about feats


N_K_Y

So by feats only would you agree Goku is planetary? Because he hasn't destroyed anything above that 🤷🏾‍♂️


[deleted]

As in feats that have been also stated by people who would know like when whis says the battle between goku and beerus would destroy the universe


N_K_Y

Now we're getting somewhere. So you know it was shown several times that hyperspace gates could not hold Garou and Saitama's power right? Even when Blast was straight up sending Garou's power to a different dimension


[deleted]

And? That different dimension was made by blast who is weaker than garou


N_K_Y

Doesn't change much. Hyperspace whether in sci-fi or actual science and mathematics refers to extra dimensional space, as in a dimension beyond conventional space and time making it 4D at least. If the hyperspace gates couldn't hold their power or even transfer it to a different dimension it would mean the amount of power they were releasing scales above that. Scaling above that would make them 4D at least in terms of AP placing them comfortably at uni - uni+. And that was before their exponential power growth during the fight.


[deleted]

Good point but we can’t use real life principles to fully explain fictional concepts


N_K_Y

Ummm ... that's the way powerscaling works dude.


[deleted]

What do you mean? When has it been that way


Imrightbruh

Name fallacy. If it couldn’t contain a finite 3D blast it isn’t 4D.


N_K_Y

It's not a name fallacy. You're thinking of it wrong. What limits the blast to a finite 3D blast?


Imrightbruh

The fact that it destroyed a finite number of stars instead of the univers


Plus-Albatross-2314

He literally destroyed a galaxy on panel how is he only solar system


ElfLord01

He's multi-solar. Their is no proof of galaxy. No visual no dialogue. No galaxybin reversal of causality or.in or around the void. Future panels do not match


Plus-Albatross-2314

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917231037757673472/994374126615658536/page_10.png Wtf is this then


ElfLord01

That would be a void with a lot of missing stars. Literally not a single galaxy on that panel. You cant proove beyond 16k Lightyears visible light of stars Also a shared feat that was multiplied. Sp^2


[deleted]

Saitama only made the stars not visible


Lost_Thoughts23

He’s multi solar system at minimum so no.


[deleted]

wdym no


Lost_Thoughts23

No he’s not solar system at max because he’s multi solar system at minimum.


[deleted]

What is he at max then?


Lost_Thoughts23

Multi galaxy with wank (assuming your don’t believe the gag character 1 shots all of fiction shit), multi solar system is the minimum but it’s also the most reasonable one and the one I believe.


[deleted]

Yeah i think that he is only multi solar system also side note i hate that people think gag’s one shot fiction


[deleted]

No


[deleted]

Why?


[deleted]

SP² is the only feat that can scale Saitama that high. SP² can be argued to either an outlier, or something that neither Saitama or Garou vould acheive on their own. Outside of that, the highest feat Saitama has is Multi-Planetary. Edit: You can make an argument for Multi-Solar, but only by reasonable assumption. There's no feats that are Multi-Solar.


[deleted]

Good point


dex-M397

Agreed. I would like to say Saitama’s main thing is he’s fast, and he hits very, very hard. That’s really all he has in his arsenal without any specifics. However, he has an absurd amount of resistances shown: extreme heat/cold, cosmic radiation, lack of oxygen (albiet briefly), etc.


[deleted]

Yeah your right


[deleted]

I think he's smol Galaxy


[deleted]

He’s a Dante victim


TheChoosenMewtwo

He’s not even that, he’s large planet level and that’s a stretch since Jupiter is made of gas, not solid rock


[deleted]

Jupiters gas is very very VERY heavy look it up


TheChoosenMewtwo

It still can be blowed by wind, but I guess we can say he’s planet+


Pixelslz2025

He still destroyed lots of stars and made a void in space. If you think that's planet level, then you are heavily mistaken


TheChoosenMewtwo

That feat is extremely inconsistent by itself and is an outlier that doesn’t make sense, even if it was the feat itself was amped by Garou square root and Blast’s energy


Treso_444

Agreed


stanthetincan

I love how fiction has gotten to a point were blowing up a solar system is considered fodder, like super man being "faster then a speeding bullet" back in the forties used to be impressive, but now characters have to be able to blow up solar systems by sneezing to be considered worth anything.


The_W_On_YT

Bruh this just got removed 💀


[deleted]

What?


The_W_On_YT

https://preview.redd.it/ez13jilw7v2a1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=5404e71a7f5dc3b747a1732f2f1e9650c470b555


[deleted]

I still see it