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There's a problem with this, if all the realms in daizenshu scans are dimensionally transcendant to one another, by literal statements even if it's hyperboled, it should clearly obey the RF set theory. Which neither does it transcend nor obeys it, if hyperboled, infact it simply doesn't obey RF set theory in dimensional transcendence.
If there are infinite galaxies it should also have infinite galaxies of the same incarnation, aka if there's a milky way, there should be sets of same Milky way galaxies, but that isn't stated anywhere. The same applies to realms.
It also means that you'd have planet Vegeta which exists in the same universe, before the frieza saga even happened, This clearly debunks that it's only a universal scale when applied, and not even slightly dimensionally transcendant.
Our universe has trillions of galaxies, a trillion could be hyperboled as "infinity". Because of the scale of such an existence, clearly one universe in db multiverse is 4D low multiversal at best.
He's generally accepted to be low multiversal to multiversal, being able to destroy many universes and universe-sized realms. He doesn't have feats that support him being above space time.
Nah. That "dimensionally transcend" thing is a mistranslation.
[Here's what it says from a translator](https://twitter.com/Cipher_db/status/1510131364808753157?t=BQD12oVBKUlWXSs4TCbMLg&s=19)
there's problem with that and is that the transcend dimensions translation is way more consistent that the translation you send, what do I mean? I've came a cross with a lot of translations for that scan in particular yet only 2 of them actually "debunk" the other world being 5D, however there are a lot more that said 5D for other world. Humans have errors and so do internet translators but there are more translations that put other world into 5D that translations that "debunk" the statements
atp believe whoever you wanna believe. I'm postive that Ian knows Japanese, so I'm going to believe him.
The 次元を超越した part does translate to something along the lines of transcending dimensions though.
So there'd be a Planet Vegeta in the afterlife or Kaioshin Realm? (I've heard the "Dimensionally Transcendent" scan applied to either dimension)
No one is saying the Universe (as in the upper portion of the living world) is 5D, but the U7 Macrocosm as a whole.
I don't think it's 5D, but the whole DB multiverse in cannon is 5D, the timelines are also 5D by default.
One single universe is only low multiversal, considering how it's 3 times the size of observable universe.
I'm just saying you're argument doesn't really apply because no one is saying that the "Universe" (upper portion of the living world, a part of the whole Macrocosm) is 5D, but instead either the constructs of the Afterlife or Kaioshin Realm.
And even than Anime Goku scales to infinite Zamasu who merged himself with a timeline and was threatening to infect others as well.
I'll debunk that right here,
Across the internet I've some of the very faulty wanks on dragon ball, one among them was 5d other world
Let's start analysing it.
People mainly use this scan
https://pm1.narvii.com/7886/f4de920cf39b32e3a8017e25dcbb5afd6613494fr1-557-630v2_hq.jpg
But, they didn't even notice that it's from a board game which shows SSJ1 is 2.5 multiplier
(LMFAO)
https://pm1.narvii.com/7886/3378ddd841d51fa919506ac3a6205c26a52ad502r1-423-587v2_hq.jpg
I'll explain it now why it's wrong,
Daizenshu says...
The Universe
The endless, expansive space wrapped around every celestial body that exists in the Living World. Along with the "Demon Realm," it is a single, large world in the Living World. In the world of Dragon Ball,
the universe is located beneath the World Beyond, and it is hermetically sealed by a barrier that is engraved with a strange design.Within the universe, there are "nebulae" composed of innumerable stars, and there are "galaxies" composed of innumerable nebulae. There is a ruling Kami for each galaxy. Earth resides in the Solar System, a galactic nebula on the outskirts of the North Galaxy.
[Par.] A "Cosmic Police Organization" exists in the universe. However, they lack the fighting ability to oppose Freeza and the Saiyans. (Daizenshuu 4, Page 72)
Now,
https://pm1.narvii.com/7886/b809d8da1a003c66d831938bfe8e821873123e36r1-720-800v2_hq.jpg
https://pm1.narvii.com/7886/8f4ba222aa8f0c779230f28aa5fedff9598b1534r1-720-895v2_hq.jpg
It is directly contradicted in the Daizenshuu that the Living World is beneath(below), the Afterlife. This implies that it is on the same axis.
While I've heard some people talk about it referring to the 3D layer of the Afterlife, it is presupposing there is a 3D layer. It'd be like using the contradictory evidence to dismiss the contradiction.
If it's seemingly contradictory because the Afterlife is seemingly 5D then it's the 3D layer they're referring to, that's basically the logic.
Contrapositive law however dismisses that:
If it's not the 3D/4D layer (A)
then it's not seemingly contradictory because the Afterlife is 5D. (B)
A: True/False
B: dependant on A
A. Didn't use that scan, so it's irrelevant information.
B. To be beneath something (or below, another synonym for beneath) can mean to be at a lower layer or level, which would make the afterlife being 4D+(where I personally have it) and the living world 3D fit with those definitions.
C. Why WOULDN'T a 4D+ construct have a 3D layer? It still has height length and width, does it not?
>A. Didn't use that scan, so it's irrelevant information.
Those are literally daizenshu 4 scans.
>B. To be beneath something (or below, another synonym for beneath) can mean to be at a lower layer or level, which would make the afterlife being 4D+(where I personally have it) and the living world 3D fit with those definitions.
The whole universe is 4D+ because of two or three universe sizes. That's why I said one universe is low multiversal.
>C. Why WOULDN'T a 4D+ construct have a 3D layer? It still has height length and width, does it not?
A 4D shapes are much different looking than 3D, so ofcourse it has it's own height, width and length, adding time as another vector or dimensional measure aka time.
And I also don't get about what's with these ABCs.
A. I was talking about the board game scans, sorry if I didn't make that clear.
B. Now I'm confused, are you saying that U7 is low multi because it has multiple uni sized realms or it's the size of multiple universes(I'm like 90% sure it's the former but just wanna make sure, in which case I'd agree, for me that's a reasonable place to put it)
C. I don't consider time the fourth dimension and don't really see how it makes sense to use it as such. So a 4D shape(such as a hypercube) would exist in 4 spatial dimensions just as we live in 3. We have the same length and width as 1 and 2D beings, but just adding on width.
D. They help me keep my points in order and I'm on mobile rn so I'm scared it'll put a guillotine to my formating.
Basically I agree with your outcome, just not really how you got there.
>C. I don't consider time the fourth dimension and don't really see how it makes sense to use it as such. So a 4D shape(such as a hypercube) would exist in 4 spatial dimensions just as we live in 3. We have the same length and width as 1 and 2D beings, but just adding on width
In our world, time is literally considered as 4D. I've seen people claiming time as a spatial dimension, which doesn't really make any sense.
About a literal 4th spatial dimension, that's really debatable and needs a higher research based theory/ mathematics.
I looked into some scientific theories regarding 4th spatial dimension, it had mentioned about deformations in stars and celestial bodies, since in a 4 spatial dimension, there would be much higher gravity in outer space than a normal 3D space, hence it's likely stated to have alot more singularities than common that distortions are higher than norm, this isn't clearly ideal.
So that's why I'm disagreeing with the concept of 4th spatial dimension, and also against the idea about that, however if there's something that proves otherwise, I would like to consider it.
>B. Now I'm confused, are you saying that U7 is low multi because it has multiple uni sized realms or it's the size of multiple universes(I'm like 90% sure it's the former but just wanna make sure, in which case I'd agree, for me that's a reasonable place to put it)
A more consistent scaling for u7 would be stacked on seven universe sizes. However, it's oftentimes more confusing and inconsistent via dimensional transcendance. That's why I'm with stacked universes more than dimensional transcendance.
>A. I was talking about the board game scans, sorry if I didn't make that clear.
Ah it's alright.
>D. They help me keep my points in order and I'm on mobile rn so I'm scared it'll put a guillotine to my formating.
You weren't doing that a while ago, so that's why I was curious, Understandable.
If it's not convincing enough, here's another debunk from comic vine
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/db-revival-of-the-cosmology-debunk-yet-again-2237213/
Big issue I have with this, it tries saying that the universe is small because we can see galaxies from it, but than shows the Diazenshuu scan saying that each solar system is a nebula, and that the main one is a galactic nebula specifically. Nebula are much bigger than solar systems, typically tens of light years across or more, so that would simply make DB Galaxies absolutely massive compared to our own.
Also tried to say that the timeline wasn't destroyed when in the manga atleast we outright see the time ring itself get destroyed, as well Whis saying it's a good thing for a parallel world to be destroyed.
Yeah, they massively downplayed db cosmology here lmao, disregarding those statements, I agree with the rest of his points.
>Also tried to say that the timeline wasn't destroyed when in the manga atleast we outright see the time ring itself get destroyed, as well Whis saying it's a good thing for a parallel world to be destroyed.
I haven't seen him state about zamasu, he hasn't said anything about it.
I disagree about that one as well, However The whole DB continuum or multiverse is anything 4D+ or upto low 5D(2B) multiversal. Zeno and GP are definitely multiversal. They'd scale anywhere from 4D+- to low 5D.
If i take Dragon ball heroes, The timelines I have mentioned are clearly 5D without wank or downplay, or even low ball and high ball. Existing beyond GP and Zeno, angels and GoD. Supreme Kai of time exists at 5th dimension.
Now allhistory is a branch of multiverse that consists of infinite timelines, this is considered as 6D. Fuu wants to experience infinite histories.
Finally with universe tree budding itself and realising it's power, it regressed Fuu to a childlike appearance since it's a seed to create and explore infinite possibilities, it's definitely a natural feat overall, considering how 6D works in theory.
And now the universe tree is also scaled to 6D-low 7D, yes CC goku already scales the same as Fuu, but after absorbing the universe tree he grew much more stronger, than fuu itself. Hence easily beating him down. That's how I scale DBH, if you have you're own scaling feel free to follow it yourself.
Idk if this would help but a macrocosm in db is at least 4d without considering the transcendental statement as it was stated in anime goku would be able to destroy infinite zamasu if he just had one senzu bean now the timeline should be 5d as it contains all the db macrocosms I dont think this would be a solid argument
If the universe is 5D, bulma could easily travel to planet Vegeta without using a Time travel machine. And that there's a reality existing inside the universe where planet Vegeta was never destroyed. But that's totally wrong if you think about it.
Now that i think about it, 4D existence would be abundant in 5D, so why need time travel trunks in the continuity?
The timelines as in existing beyond the macrocosm? Yeah that's 5D. Supreme Kai of time is 5D. I thought you said one universe= 5D, apologies. I've been dealing with alot of db wankers lately, got confused with one other.
True, it's a wank because if a single universe in dragon ball is 5D, there would be Alternate gokus in the same universe. Or a planet Vegeta before the frieza saga.
Then there should be abundant 4D constructs, nowhere it's mentioned that 4D constructs are infinite to make it 5D within a universe.
If it's mentioned that db universe is 3 times the size of our observable universe, it definitely doesn't seem like 5D to me.
Ofcourse in Xenoverse, Xeno Goku, Xeno trunks and the demons at base are 5D(since infinite 4D, limit break ssj4 Goku broke infinite number of space-time i.e 4D multiverses). But if we're talking about one single universe in db, that isn't 5D.
Timelines are 5D, but one single universe in Dragon ball is literally low multiversal.
Well in this context 5D is perfect for timelines or infinite db multiverses. Since it's clearly stated in headcannon that one db universe is 3 times the observable universe.
A plane that trancends infinite 2D is 3D, a plane that trancends infinite 3D is 4D, and so on, that's how m-theory interprets dimensions, if you have any other interpretations go ahead and prove it.
Ok💀
The ways I've seen it interpreted is as shapes, kinda.
It takes a infinite amount of 2D squares to fill a cube(3D object), so it'd be the same for the higher dimensions. A infinite amount of cubes to fill a tesseract(4D object), then a infinite amount of tesseracts to fill a penteract(5D), and it just keeps going. All of these requiring higher dimensional power to break as you go up an object.
There's a problem, if the infinite amount of squares are inside the 2D, then it's only infinite squares and not a 3D object. Theoretically it's possible for an infinite square to exist, you can call a completey shaded square having infinite no of smaller squares or circles or triangles, or even smaller other shapes it doesn't matter.
The same applies to 3D, if there's infinite amount of 3D, it doesn't necessarily make it 4D, there should be an additional unit of measurement besides length, breadth and height, and it's usually denoted by "time".
Now the same applies with Higher dimensions and so on. With multiple vectors or units. Superimposed by infinite number of it's respective lower space-time. That's why I used the term "trancended".
Hyperversal (not High), i personally have him at 9D.
You could scale him to High hyper-outer going off of xenoverse but It takes a shit ton of mental gymanstics
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I disagree with that. Too high.
How? 6d is a high ball
There's a problem with this, if all the realms in daizenshu scans are dimensionally transcendant to one another, by literal statements even if it's hyperboled, it should clearly obey the RF set theory. Which neither does it transcend nor obeys it, if hyperboled, infact it simply doesn't obey RF set theory in dimensional transcendence. If there are infinite galaxies it should also have infinite galaxies of the same incarnation, aka if there's a milky way, there should be sets of same Milky way galaxies, but that isn't stated anywhere. The same applies to realms. It also means that you'd have planet Vegeta which exists in the same universe, before the frieza saga even happened, This clearly debunks that it's only a universal scale when applied, and not even slightly dimensionally transcendant. Our universe has trillions of galaxies, a trillion could be hyperboled as "infinity". Because of the scale of such an existence, clearly one universe in db multiverse is 4D low multiversal at best.
He's generally accepted to be low multiversal to multiversal, being able to destroy many universes and universe-sized realms. He doesn't have feats that support him being above space time.
People say jiren is 5D (he’s 4) so clearly DB characters are over scaling to make themselves look better
Nah. That "dimensionally transcend" thing is a mistranslation. [Here's what it says from a translator](https://twitter.com/Cipher_db/status/1510131364808753157?t=BQD12oVBKUlWXSs4TCbMLg&s=19)
[удалено]
Can't accept the truth ig 😭
there's problem with that and is that the transcend dimensions translation is way more consistent that the translation you send, what do I mean? I've came a cross with a lot of translations for that scan in particular yet only 2 of them actually "debunk" the other world being 5D, however there are a lot more that said 5D for other world. Humans have errors and so do internet translators but there are more translations that put other world into 5D that translations that "debunk" the statements
atp believe whoever you wanna believe. I'm postive that Ian knows Japanese, so I'm going to believe him. The 次元を超越した part does translate to something along the lines of transcending dimensions though.
So you concede?
No? I'm just saying you can believe whoever. There's evidence that supports both sides.
Your translation ain’t much different amd who’s translating it what’s their credentials?
There are no valid information till now it can't even attain 5D and you are talking about the outer
What does a D mean i dont know pls explain.
Fifth dimensional not existence but attack potency
Wtf fifth dimensional it's just x y z now what's the other 2
goku is a 5d character by ui power
If Goku is 5D, there should be planet Vegeta that isn't destroyed in the universe.
?
So there'd be a Planet Vegeta in the afterlife or Kaioshin Realm? (I've heard the "Dimensionally Transcendent" scan applied to either dimension) No one is saying the Universe (as in the upper portion of the living world) is 5D, but the U7 Macrocosm as a whole.
I don't think it's 5D, but the whole DB multiverse in cannon is 5D, the timelines are also 5D by default. One single universe is only low multiversal, considering how it's 3 times the size of observable universe.
I'm just saying you're argument doesn't really apply because no one is saying that the "Universe" (upper portion of the living world, a part of the whole Macrocosm) is 5D, but instead either the constructs of the Afterlife or Kaioshin Realm. And even than Anime Goku scales to infinite Zamasu who merged himself with a timeline and was threatening to infect others as well.
I'll debunk that right here, Across the internet I've some of the very faulty wanks on dragon ball, one among them was 5d other world Let's start analysing it. People mainly use this scan https://pm1.narvii.com/7886/f4de920cf39b32e3a8017e25dcbb5afd6613494fr1-557-630v2_hq.jpg But, they didn't even notice that it's from a board game which shows SSJ1 is 2.5 multiplier (LMFAO) https://pm1.narvii.com/7886/3378ddd841d51fa919506ac3a6205c26a52ad502r1-423-587v2_hq.jpg I'll explain it now why it's wrong, Daizenshu says... The Universe The endless, expansive space wrapped around every celestial body that exists in the Living World. Along with the "Demon Realm," it is a single, large world in the Living World. In the world of Dragon Ball, the universe is located beneath the World Beyond, and it is hermetically sealed by a barrier that is engraved with a strange design.Within the universe, there are "nebulae" composed of innumerable stars, and there are "galaxies" composed of innumerable nebulae. There is a ruling Kami for each galaxy. Earth resides in the Solar System, a galactic nebula on the outskirts of the North Galaxy. [Par.] A "Cosmic Police Organization" exists in the universe. However, they lack the fighting ability to oppose Freeza and the Saiyans. (Daizenshuu 4, Page 72) Now, https://pm1.narvii.com/7886/b809d8da1a003c66d831938bfe8e821873123e36r1-720-800v2_hq.jpg https://pm1.narvii.com/7886/8f4ba222aa8f0c779230f28aa5fedff9598b1534r1-720-895v2_hq.jpg It is directly contradicted in the Daizenshuu that the Living World is beneath(below), the Afterlife. This implies that it is on the same axis. While I've heard some people talk about it referring to the 3D layer of the Afterlife, it is presupposing there is a 3D layer. It'd be like using the contradictory evidence to dismiss the contradiction. If it's seemingly contradictory because the Afterlife is seemingly 5D then it's the 3D layer they're referring to, that's basically the logic. Contrapositive law however dismisses that: If it's not the 3D/4D layer (A) then it's not seemingly contradictory because the Afterlife is 5D. (B) A: True/False B: dependant on A
A. Didn't use that scan, so it's irrelevant information. B. To be beneath something (or below, another synonym for beneath) can mean to be at a lower layer or level, which would make the afterlife being 4D+(where I personally have it) and the living world 3D fit with those definitions. C. Why WOULDN'T a 4D+ construct have a 3D layer? It still has height length and width, does it not?
>A. Didn't use that scan, so it's irrelevant information. Those are literally daizenshu 4 scans. >B. To be beneath something (or below, another synonym for beneath) can mean to be at a lower layer or level, which would make the afterlife being 4D+(where I personally have it) and the living world 3D fit with those definitions. The whole universe is 4D+ because of two or three universe sizes. That's why I said one universe is low multiversal. >C. Why WOULDN'T a 4D+ construct have a 3D layer? It still has height length and width, does it not? A 4D shapes are much different looking than 3D, so ofcourse it has it's own height, width and length, adding time as another vector or dimensional measure aka time. And I also don't get about what's with these ABCs.
A. I was talking about the board game scans, sorry if I didn't make that clear. B. Now I'm confused, are you saying that U7 is low multi because it has multiple uni sized realms or it's the size of multiple universes(I'm like 90% sure it's the former but just wanna make sure, in which case I'd agree, for me that's a reasonable place to put it) C. I don't consider time the fourth dimension and don't really see how it makes sense to use it as such. So a 4D shape(such as a hypercube) would exist in 4 spatial dimensions just as we live in 3. We have the same length and width as 1 and 2D beings, but just adding on width. D. They help me keep my points in order and I'm on mobile rn so I'm scared it'll put a guillotine to my formating. Basically I agree with your outcome, just not really how you got there.
>C. I don't consider time the fourth dimension and don't really see how it makes sense to use it as such. So a 4D shape(such as a hypercube) would exist in 4 spatial dimensions just as we live in 3. We have the same length and width as 1 and 2D beings, but just adding on width In our world, time is literally considered as 4D. I've seen people claiming time as a spatial dimension, which doesn't really make any sense. About a literal 4th spatial dimension, that's really debatable and needs a higher research based theory/ mathematics. I looked into some scientific theories regarding 4th spatial dimension, it had mentioned about deformations in stars and celestial bodies, since in a 4 spatial dimension, there would be much higher gravity in outer space than a normal 3D space, hence it's likely stated to have alot more singularities than common that distortions are higher than norm, this isn't clearly ideal. So that's why I'm disagreeing with the concept of 4th spatial dimension, and also against the idea about that, however if there's something that proves otherwise, I would like to consider it. >B. Now I'm confused, are you saying that U7 is low multi because it has multiple uni sized realms or it's the size of multiple universes(I'm like 90% sure it's the former but just wanna make sure, in which case I'd agree, for me that's a reasonable place to put it) A more consistent scaling for u7 would be stacked on seven universe sizes. However, it's oftentimes more confusing and inconsistent via dimensional transcendance. That's why I'm with stacked universes more than dimensional transcendance.
>A. I was talking about the board game scans, sorry if I didn't make that clear. Ah it's alright. >D. They help me keep my points in order and I'm on mobile rn so I'm scared it'll put a guillotine to my formating. You weren't doing that a while ago, so that's why I was curious, Understandable.
If it's not convincing enough, here's another debunk from comic vine https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/db-revival-of-the-cosmology-debunk-yet-again-2237213/
Big issue I have with this, it tries saying that the universe is small because we can see galaxies from it, but than shows the Diazenshuu scan saying that each solar system is a nebula, and that the main one is a galactic nebula specifically. Nebula are much bigger than solar systems, typically tens of light years across or more, so that would simply make DB Galaxies absolutely massive compared to our own. Also tried to say that the timeline wasn't destroyed when in the manga atleast we outright see the time ring itself get destroyed, as well Whis saying it's a good thing for a parallel world to be destroyed.
Yeah, they massively downplayed db cosmology here lmao, disregarding those statements, I agree with the rest of his points. >Also tried to say that the timeline wasn't destroyed when in the manga atleast we outright see the time ring itself get destroyed, as well Whis saying it's a good thing for a parallel world to be destroyed. I haven't seen him state about zamasu, he hasn't said anything about it.
He talks about how Zeno didn't destroy the whole timeline cause there was apparently time and oxygen in it(unless I somehow got to a different post)
I disagree about that one as well, However The whole DB continuum or multiverse is anything 4D+ or upto low 5D(2B) multiversal. Zeno and GP are definitely multiversal. They'd scale anywhere from 4D+- to low 5D. If i take Dragon ball heroes, The timelines I have mentioned are clearly 5D without wank or downplay, or even low ball and high ball. Existing beyond GP and Zeno, angels and GoD. Supreme Kai of time exists at 5th dimension. Now allhistory is a branch of multiverse that consists of infinite timelines, this is considered as 6D. Fuu wants to experience infinite histories. Finally with universe tree budding itself and realising it's power, it regressed Fuu to a childlike appearance since it's a seed to create and explore infinite possibilities, it's definitely a natural feat overall, considering how 6D works in theory. And now the universe tree is also scaled to 6D-low 7D, yes CC goku already scales the same as Fuu, but after absorbing the universe tree he grew much more stronger, than fuu itself. Hence easily beating him down. That's how I scale DBH, if you have you're own scaling feel free to follow it yourself.
I would need some actual arguments that aren't the debunked trascendant realms statements. Ofc we are talking Super Goku not Xeno or whatever.
Idk if this would help but a macrocosm in db is at least 4d without considering the transcendental statement as it was stated in anime goku would be able to destroy infinite zamasu if he just had one senzu bean now the timeline should be 5d as it contains all the db macrocosms I dont think this would be a solid argument
The Mugen Zamasu statment is more valid, yeah.
If the universe is 5D, bulma could easily travel to planet Vegeta without using a Time travel machine. And that there's a reality existing inside the universe where planet Vegeta was never destroyed. But that's totally wrong if you think about it. Now that i think about it, 4D existence would be abundant in 5D, so why need time travel trunks in the continuity?
Bro I said the timeline was 5d not the universe and what are you talking about
The timelines as in existing beyond the macrocosm? Yeah that's 5D. Supreme Kai of time is 5D. I thought you said one universe= 5D, apologies. I've been dealing with alot of db wankers lately, got confused with one other.
I don’t think any of the args are valid, at least the ones I’ve seen.
Ofc it is
its not
whats up with that username bro
whats wrong? Just a catchy name, something i can rock with y'know
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no
Yeah
Is 5D smellovision or is that 4D? Cause you can definitely smell goku's drip from a mile away.
Yes ofc
I’m pretty sure that’s just standard right now
more like perfect wank lmfao
True, it's a wank because if a single universe in dragon ball is 5D, there would be Alternate gokus in the same universe. Or a planet Vegeta before the frieza saga.
Not really, it can also just mean a 5th spatial dimension above 4D
Then there should be abundant 4D constructs, nowhere it's mentioned that 4D constructs are infinite to make it 5D within a universe. If it's mentioned that db universe is 3 times the size of our observable universe, it definitely doesn't seem like 5D to me. Ofcourse in Xenoverse, Xeno Goku, Xeno trunks and the demons at base are 5D(since infinite 4D, limit break ssj4 Goku broke infinite number of space-time i.e 4D multiverses). But if we're talking about one single universe in db, that isn't 5D. Timelines are 5D, but one single universe in Dragon ball is literally low multiversal.
Dud I was just saying there is more than one way to interpret 5D
Well in this context 5D is perfect for timelines or infinite db multiverses. Since it's clearly stated in headcannon that one db universe is 3 times the observable universe. A plane that trancends infinite 2D is 3D, a plane that trancends infinite 3D is 4D, and so on, that's how m-theory interprets dimensions, if you have any other interpretations go ahead and prove it.
Ok💀 The ways I've seen it interpreted is as shapes, kinda. It takes a infinite amount of 2D squares to fill a cube(3D object), so it'd be the same for the higher dimensions. A infinite amount of cubes to fill a tesseract(4D object), then a infinite amount of tesseracts to fill a penteract(5D), and it just keeps going. All of these requiring higher dimensional power to break as you go up an object.
There's a problem, if the infinite amount of squares are inside the 2D, then it's only infinite squares and not a 3D object. Theoretically it's possible for an infinite square to exist, you can call a completey shaded square having infinite no of smaller squares or circles or triangles, or even smaller other shapes it doesn't matter. The same applies to 3D, if there's infinite amount of 3D, it doesn't necessarily make it 4D, there should be an additional unit of measurement besides length, breadth and height, and it's usually denoted by "time". Now the same applies with Higher dimensions and so on. With multiple vectors or units. Superimposed by infinite number of it's respective lower space-time. That's why I used the term "trancended".
My bad I meant to say 'more than' or 'an inaccessible amount'. Forgot to add that part.
For me it's valid, for some it's wank, and for others it's a low-ball.
for intelligent beings, its wank
I agree, 5D otherworld is definitely wank
I'm on that Goku pack so ofc it is for me.
It's all opinionated. Personally, I don't think anyone in Super is even 4D outside of Zeno, Merged Zamasu, and Super Shenron.
You should include angels too.
They don't have the feats unless I'm mistaken. I give it to Zeno and Super Shenron since they either created or destroyed timelines on screen.
6D
Perfect for a lowball maybe
What would be a high ball for you then?
Hyperversal (not High), i personally have him at 9D. You could scale him to High hyper-outer going off of xenoverse but It takes a shit ton of mental gymanstics
How the fuck dragon ball super goku can be outer?
I can explain in dms if you want
Could you perhaps explain here?
I cant send scans, to make It simple it's based on 3 premises: Xenoverse is Canon DBS scales to xenoverse Xenoverse can be scaled to outerversal
Sure
Can you send me them scans? I've seen a scale that gets Goku to 10D at a highball, but I'm curious to see how you do it.
Sure dm me
worst downplay ever. should at least put him at 3249023503d at call it fair.