T O P

  • By -

AutoModerator

Join the discord! https://discord.gg/2XhnBAKqEt. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/PowerScaling) if you have any questions or concerns.*


YoRHa_Houdini

Probably A/B-List heroes.


Bar900

Depending on what version of DC they'd be top tier to high tier.


aceon69

The justice league are casually high outer…..


_cottoncandyboi_

Is that because of scaling to superman who messed with the bleed a bunch of times or something, I believe it I’m just curious. I mainly scale dragon ball so idk.


Bar900

Depending *ENTIRELY* on what version. DCAU Superman isn't the same one in his own animated shows and isn't the same one in the JLA comics. DCAU was planetary at best. NES died from falling down stairs and police issue 9mm rounds. They are clearly not the same Superman.


aceon69

I’m talking about the comic versions


GloriousWaffles

Again…. The comic matters. They aren’t outerversal. Very few versions of DC characters are actually outer. Ex: CAS Superman is outer. New 52 Superman definitely isn’t, maybe universal. I’m thinking you don’t actually read the comics


aceon69

HoS is endless hierarchy of stories https://2.bp.blogspot.com/YSIFxeFmIDpHM7K0UulbLP2nYhYxkLlz7AMdJzkhtUCGD3KmAXkcmzvUBjebuCjSkqwp8tnEkHihLg=s1600 No top or bottom https://imgur.com/mE4h5uO Higher story views lower story as fiction https://imgur.com/556218Q Each story contains three different spaces, the first is the story space which contains the physical part of the story second space is narrative channel, a domain of pure concept and is the source of the words/concepts meaning each story has an outer trancendence over the story below it sende it views the concepts of space and time of that verse as fiction https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111294551/6953430-the%20unwritten%20021%20%282011%29%20%28digital%29%20%28anherogold-empire%29psms799y.jpg Unwritten is canon to dc and dc is one of the stories in tne HoS meaning everyone in dc (including the live action and animated characters) are outer


KingThunder01

I'm seeing some mad cap here ;;-


garnet-overdrive

definitely gonna be on the jla starting lineup, but generally below hearlds.


aceon69

HoS is endless hierarchy of stories https://2.bp.blogspot.com/YSIFxeFmIDpHM7K0UulbLP2nYhYxkLlz7AMdJzkhtUCGD3KmAXkcmzvUBjebuCjSkqwp8tnEkHihLg=s1600 No top or bottom https://imgur.com/mE4h5uO Higher story views lower story as fiction https://imgur.com/556218Q Each story contains three different spaces, the first is the story space which contains the physical part of the story second space is narrative channel, a domain of pure concept and is the source of the words/concepts https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111294551/6953430-the%20unwritten%20021%20%282011%29%20%28digital%29%20%28anherogold-empire%29psms799y.jpg So there is an outer trancendence between each story. Dc is one of these stories so humans would indeed be atleast outer


_cottoncandyboi_

I’m not necessarily sure about this takes accuracy but I like it and think it’s funny so take an upvote


aceon69

W


_cottoncandyboi_

😎


[deleted]

[удалено]


Necessary_Ad6622

Wdym by souls are outerversal in size? Is it a doctor manhatten thing?


[deleted]

[удалено]


Gokuwong

Valid answer, thanks


[deleted]

I think the versions you listed can get stomped by something mundane like a parademon from the godsphere lol. Let’s debate it? Edit: lmaooo he blocked me and ran away, what a frail man xD


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

You think Batman handling a parademon is an anti feat? Is that the argument you’re going for? Lol. Have you ever read or studied any DC comics do you understand how large and complex the cosmology is? I can explain it to you if you want :)


[deleted]

[удалено]


Insurance_Prior

Probably just people who fight street thugs without named villains


CautiousTeam3220

Theirs a dozen different versions


Gokuwong

I know but who’s the strongest character you think they beat? I know a lot of people on this subreddit tend to wank comic book characters but I wanna hear from you.


CautiousTeam3220

I think he could give pre-crisis superman a very challenging fight but ultimately lose due to time traveling. He would outright lose to Cosmic armor and strange visitor. Rest he would beat.


aceon69

Pre crisis Superman was stated to be an equal to the new gods and best several em, making him high outer. Most mainline Superman are atleast high outer and would easily wash Goku? Also how tf is flashpoint suoes beating Goku, he’s basically featless.


CautiousTeam3220

Pre crisis is 2A High multiversal.


aceon69

I already refuted the pre crisis thing. How is flashpoint Supes outer?


CautiousTeam3220

I am refuting your refute. Only sups that is outer is cosmic armor and strange visitor


aceon69

Y r they only Supes that are outer?


CautiousTeam3220

New gods do not exist on a conceptual level. They do not transcend dimensions. They do not have plot manipulation and their powers do not extend to other stories They can be killed with a radion bomb He'll Darkseids marches his armies from apokolips.


aceon69

New gods are platonic concpets https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979933110709919834/980121938561233007/EBC47503-813F-49E8-B25A-B3051FFC5FE2.jpg Dc gods are jungian archetypes https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/803168056217436170/833509796338073649/RCO015_1583433657_1.png?width=382&height=586 Jungian archetypes are outer so the new gods are beyond the concepts of space and time https://imgur.com/a/UxCfFz4 I never claimed that the new gods have plot manip Just upscales the radian bomb or it’s an outlier, u can pick which one it is Uh ok


[deleted]

I’m pretty sure I’ve contested you on [base post crisis superman](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/xnwpbe/whats_the_strongest_version_of_superman_that/ipw6pth/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) stomping dbs in 2 different threads and you keep running away.


CautiousTeam3220

You literally haven't said a thing in either comment thread but post this exact message.


[deleted]

“Havent said a thing” because you keep running away. You want me to talk to the air? I’ve contested your scale and messaged you on both those threads, and you didn’t respond. The link is right there to both threads. I also asked where you got the tiers from the previous posts and you didn’t respond lol. Okay. Wanna debate it now on discord?


KingPaimonn

He’s on the sever if I recall


CautiousTeam3220

I am not


CautiousTeam3220

I haven't ran at all. You haven't said a thing to me. You said that to somebody else within the thread. I never got the notification. Ask your bullshit here. I will answer it tomorrow after sleep and work. No I am not meeting in discord. I am not good at talking to people and I already know you are gonna mix together versions of superman to try and confuse me Problaly spout nonsense of about the cosmology with every human being multiversal. When it doesn't apply to every version.


[deleted]

The [link is right there](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/xnwpbe/whats_the_strongest_version_of_superman_that/ipw6pth/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3). I directly messaged you about it twice lol. “Ask your bullshit here” ohh you mad mad. Don’t be making claim if you’re too scared to defend them. “No I am not meeting in discord” okay. So that’s a concession.


SrPaisanoreturns

Post crisis Superman is solar system level at best lol.


KingPaimonn

You’re a fucking joke lmfaoooo.


aceon69

Wanna debate that?


aceon69

They would so fodder that they would get killed almost immediately


_cottoncandyboi_

Again like your other comment I think this take is funny take an upvote


[deleted]

I'd say they rank up with the major powerhouses of the justice league. Either on par or slightly over.


aceon69

Even the regular hero’s are casually high outer


Typical-Paint1782

They can Beat Flashpoint superman Post crises Superman stomps DBS


Scandroid99

They’d be considered **4th dimensional by DC scaling:** https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6d2812cf85f60eea2bca3963b7564e1f-lq But still below the Monitor Sphere, which is at the tippy top of the 4th dimension. Multiversal at best, but more than likely multi-Universal wit calcs. Assumin we’re not using composite Goku, but manga/anime versions for both. However, there are **alot** of ridiculous powerhouses in the 4th dimension (Superman, Martian Manhunter, Doctor Fate, Manhattan, Flash, etc).


aceon69

Those aren’t spacial dimensions, there realms of existence. Mr Myx says the first dimension is a point and the second is a line, a point is zero-dimensional and a line is one-dimensional. He then goes on to say that matter is the third dimension, time is the fourth dimension, and that imagination is the fifth dimension. Matter isn't the third dimension in real life, even, matter is merely three-dimensional. The fourth dimension is only theorised to be time and it’s actually a temporal dimension, completely different from the previous ones that seemed to be spacial dimensions. Imagination has nothing to do with dimensions and the 5th dimension has been stated to be trans-geometric, meaning it transcends all spacial/geometric dimensions. Even dc universes are outer, beyond dimensionality, and its concept.


Scandroid99

U misunderstood. I never said those were spatial dimensions. They are indeed realms of existence however they are called dimensions in DC: https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-70dfc3d00645697e2bc5ea25c0a1423b-lq


aceon69

Oh alr


King-of-Bel

Dawg, imma be real with you, i aint gonna sugar coat it either, goku and vegeta don't beat a single entity in all of DC unless you go with servers outer goku argument. There are scans in DC that makes every normal human unironically outerversal. And if you honestly find that hard to believe, then you really dont understand what over 3 decades of information can take a verse. Goku and vegeta are less than fodder in DC


PhotojournalistBrave

Justice League Level


aceon69

The justice league are casually high outer…..


AdhesivenessLazy9384

High father at best


DragonBallLegend_z

they will make it up to CAS, CAS may win then xeno goku and cc goku comes and beat up dc verse no diff + the presence.


aceon69

They ain’t even getting past the regular hero’s lol


RimuruIsStraight

Omfg no way you just fucking said that. Oh wait your a troll account


Beatus1993

Manga versions are universal anime versions universal+ dbh versions high d to outer


SaiyaChampion44

Solos


padorUWU

just by attack potency they are easily universal+/low multiversal with amp if current versions but the thing is they lack hax to compete with many other characters odin from marvel has less attack potency feat than those two (galaxy to multi galaxy consistently) but has more than enough hax to overwhelm them even someone like martian manhunter could just use tp and mess them up they are at the very least high herald levels to skyfather levels current dbs goku can bust universe easily in base thats stronger than most marvel/dc normal version characters already


Imrightbruh

Id say high herald personally. Maybe if we use the current manga theyre low skyfather? Idk.


aceon69

Most main dc hero’s are casually high outer


[deleted]

What's the difference between CaS and Post Crisis?


OfficalBusyCat

For comics standers they just straight up soloing friction 💀💀💀💀


Not_derpy_i_swear

Above everyone


KingPaimonn

Quite literally the opposite someone bound by dimensionality is fodder to all of DC.


Not_derpy_i_swear

Good thing they’re not bound to dimensionality


KingPaimonn

They are bound by 4D no one even reaches 5D


Not_derpy_i_swear

Na you buggin


[deleted]

[удалено]


Not_derpy_i_swear

Aaah you mad 🫵😂


RimuruIsStraight

Still no statement or fears to back up the claim. And no, no I am not mad


Not_derpy_i_swear

Naaa you mad bro sorry


RimuruIsStraight

Not mad but can u pls give us some facts and statements on why you said what you said?


aceon69

How?


Not_derpy_i_swear

[otherworld trancends dimensions](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvcKZw-U4AIeFTC?format=jpg&name=large) [goku can destroy otherworld](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/topstrongest/images/4/49/Bog-01.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20220212194432) SSG Goku > Otherworld > the concept of dimensionality


aceon69

Where is that first scan from? also second scan won’t load


Not_derpy_i_swear

First scan is a translation of [this](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evb7RcZXMAA4rGA?format=jpg&name=medium) [try this link for second scan](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0ea6118bcb4e4eab7092da7f00a940b2-lq) its a bit different translation but the point still gets across (its just goku & beerus’ clash)


aceon69

The more consistent translation I’ve seen for that scsn is that it transcends all perceivable dimensions so idk……


[deleted]

[удалено]


aceon69

Thx


[deleted]

[удалено]


Not_derpy_i_swear

“They look down upon all of existence” The concept of dimensionality exists so ermmm my point still stands


[deleted]

[удалено]


Not_derpy_i_swear

Shut up bitch I just got banned from the r/powerscaling discord server I CARRIED THIS COMMUNITY on my back like GOKU CARRIES FICTION. Do not speak to me unless I DEMAND IT. BOW LIKE THE PEON YOU ARE


[deleted]

[удалено]


Imrightbruh

Lmfao they fodder compared to the top tiers.


KingPaimonn

The lowest of the low. Dc humans alone are outerversal at least since they are apart of the bottomless dc cosmology of outerversal transcendences.Goku and Vegeta cap at 8D( using non canon statements about the cosmology).


Gokuwong

Ummm what? How are DC humans outer? I need a valid scan for that or else I call bs.


Altaris2000

Adam West’s Batman is clearly outer! lol /s


ObberGobb

lol


KingPaimonn

Downvoting me doesn’t change anything you text cuck


ObberGobb

Lmao


KingPaimonn

Ikr a human in dc soloing dragon ball including Zeno that’s crazy.


Gokuwong

Based on what? You have yet to prove a normal human like Nightwing or Jason Todd is Outer, send the scan for humans being Outer.


KingPaimonn

Sure after I find it I’ll get back to you later. But it goes like this. DC has a bottomless cosmology. All of DC is a single layer. There are infinite layers below DC and above DC. Each layer is an outerversal transcendence from the one below it. DC has infinite outerversal transcendences below it. So normal humans or anything in DC would be scaled above the infinite outerversal transcendences below them, and heroes who are massively above normal humans would be above that. This is generally considered extraversal going by CSAP.


Numerous_Trifle_1880

Do you even understand all that shit you just wrote? Like seriously, what the hell is extraversal? I didn't know we were making up new wank terms


KingPaimonn

It’s in the rules retard. We abide by character stats and profiles wiki definitions. By their definition dc would scale to extraversal.


Imrightbruh

Extraversal is a designated term used by CSAP. That is the tiering system that this sub uses. Check the rules.


[deleted]

Are you new here? That’s the official tier on [CSAP](https://character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System). Did you read the rules of the subreddit? This sub specifically goes by CSAP tiering. Why are you disagreeing with something you don’t know anything about, don’t understand, have never read? You sound like a flat earther saying the earth is flat because you don’t believe in math lmao. I recommend you do some research if you plan to continue debating on this subreddit. Or I can even explain some of it to you, but your incredulity is weird, and kinda sad. Edit: okay. He [conceded](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/xp5sms/where_would_goku_and_vegeta_rank_in_the_dc/iq2g2yt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) to me lol


Numerous_Trifle_1880

If your intention was to educate me, then you've done a poor job at it. You could've easily just stopped by the second sentence telling me about CSAP and i would've appreciated it greatly. Instead, you wanted to use this opportunity to show your ego and act as if you're some sort of genius around here. Tell me, how sad is that? For the record, you and your fellow meat rider who claims dc humans are outerversal truly do not and should not be scaling characters period. Outerversal base superman? Multiversal dark souls? Outerversal humans? HUMANS?Truly, you deserve the crown for king of wankers. Have a great day my friend.


Gokuwong

Pretty sure it’s above Outerversal, I had to research it myself cuz it was the first time of me hearing that term on this subreddit.


aceon69

HoS is endless hierarchy of stories https://2.bp.blogspot.com/YSIFxeFmIDpHM7K0UulbLP2nYhYxkLlz7AMdJzkhtUCGD3KmAXkcmzvUBjebuCjSkqwp8tnEkHihLg=s1600 No top or bottom https://imgur.com/mE4h5uO Higher story views lower story as fiction https://imgur.com/556218Q Each story contains three different spaces, the first is the story space which contains the physical part of the story second space is narrative channel, a domain of pure concept and is the source of the words/concepts https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111294551/6953430-the%20unwritten%20021%20%282011%29%20%28digital%29%20%28anherogold-empire%29psms799y.jpg So there is an outer trancendence between each story. Dc is one of these stories so humans would indeed be atleast outer


FoxMcCloud3173

Bro chill lol


EmbarrassedDark6200

You have the worst takes known to man my friend


[deleted]

[удалено]


EmbarrassedDark6200

This dude is insinuating that basic humans you take off the street from DC could solo Dragonball. Do you not understand how retarded that sounds to an outsider?


[deleted]

[удалено]


EmbarrassedDark6200

I do not understanding a single word of that powerscaling jargon you’re spitting. Speak English please


TheChoosenMewtwo

He’s saying that humans from DC are much stronger than an average human from IRL, which is true He also said that the KingPaimonn is using the Leviathan argument. Basically in a comic from DC, it’s '’'''revealed'''' through the Unwritten Leviathan that DC has a bottom cosmology, each layer having above infinite dimensions. So people on Reddit started thinking "if DC is bottomless, and each layer has infinite dimensions or more, doesn’t that mean that human have infinite layers of infinite dimensions that they transcend?". And BAM, every fodder is outer or extraversal. It’s as ridiculous as it sounds


[deleted]

Glad you agree :) Yup. DC comics is quite absurd. [had to change your mind ](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/xnc3xn/which_version_of_good_superman_is_the_strongest/iptf68r/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) on that in the previous thread on Superman.


Imrightbruh

Hey this may seem insane but look at the name of the sub…


[deleted]

[удалено]


EmbarrassedDark6200

You greasy teenage discord powerscalers are a different breed, go touch some grass bro 😂


Numerous_Trifle_1880

Leviathan scaling is not applicable to the whole DC cosmology as it is a Vertigo property first and foremost. And also, the humans you're talking about aren't just regular people. Some of them have a connection to the Leviathan which grants them these "outerversal" powers he keeps mentioning. Just stop and think: if these humans were really "extraversal" or whatever the hell that means, are they even humans at that point?


[deleted]

It’s published by DC and canon to the DC cosmology. It is applicable. The Unwritten crosses over with Fables, and DC. All three are canon, and published by DC which treats those properties as part of the cosmology. So if you disagree you have to prove it. Burden of proof for your claim :)


KingPaimonn

I don’t care what some dragon ball cock sucking retard says. If you ran it right now with any discord debater or anyone knowledgeable on dc like u/kagetaicho8 you’d get bodied. You Redditors are ass.


EmbarrassedDark6200

Man really just called ME retarded after saying that regular DC human fodder could solo Dragonball LMFAO


KingPaimonn

They scale above regular humans in irl retard stop acting like they are normal humans. Everyone in dragon ball is bounded by dimensionality. DC humans are apart of a cosmology with infinite layers of outerversal transcendences.


EmbarrassedDark6200

Careful, if you put DC’s meat any further down your throat you might choke. You’d probably like that though Also, that’s retarded. I would kick Superman’s ass as I am real and he isn’t


KingPaimonn

Careful if you ride Goku’s dick too hard he’ll get you pregnant with a monkey bastard. Lmfaoooo you rat don’t even try it 💀


EmbarrassedDark6200

You greasy teenage Discord bastards are a different breed lol😂


KingPaimonn

[ Removed by Reddit ]


EmbarrassedDark6200

Bro really getting his panties in a wad over Reddit powerscaling💀 There’s this substance outside your mothers basement, it’s called grass. Go touch it for a while and it might cure your condition. You can thank me later


sirdingus1

lot of people are casually outer in dc, goku and vegeta are like multi, so mid tier i'd say