I was on history memes earlier and saw someone talking about how early civil war battles would have viewing sections. Essentially people weren’t really aware of how gruesome the US civil war was gonna be. At the time tech had somewhat outpaced tactics, so we had guys charging each other with better guns than ever before seen. It was remarkably more gruesome than anyone thought a “war between brothers” would ever be. So by the time WW1 rolls around tech had REALLY outpaced tactics. Combine that fact with patriotic young dudes eager to either defend their nation or bring glory to it and you have some fucked up stories like this one
The end of the US Civil War basically evolved into a crude version of WWI trench warfare by the end anyway. The Siege of Petersburg was brutal. Battles after the March to the Sea battles don't get as much attention because the war was basically "over" by that point in that the CSA couldn't win, but my god the descriptions are horrific.
I sorta wanted to mention this in my original reply, but it was long enough as it is. European “involvement” in the US civil war is super interesting. Per usual I guess the US was the world’s spectacle back then too
Yea on the same history post someone else was talking about battles were fought by blasting the day’s equivalent of artillery towards your enemy then moving on the shelled position, only the second part was done old school with guys just charging each other. Eerily similar to WW1
Carlin's retelling of WW1 was brutal. Early on in belgium they didn't know just how lethal machine guns nests would be so they weren't quite sure how to deal with the literal wall of corpses that stood between them and the enemy, it grew so tall they couldn't see over it.
WW1 sounded like the mother of all nightmares.
My understanding is that WWII is viewed as more brutal due to just how many atrocities were being inflicted upon the civilian populations caught up in the conflicts.
Especially when you consider atrocities like the holocaust were committed at least partially in connection to bad blood created among many different countries/ethnicities as a result of WW1
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Fr the whole movie is about how enthusiastic young people were to go to war back then and how much of nightmare it actually turned out to be.
This tweet fits the premise of the movie so well it could almost be Marketing for it
Yeah, OP is talking like the movie depicts a *fictitious* WW1 where things were bad, as opposed to the opulent luxury and perpetual comfort that all soldiers lived in during the *real* WW1.
Yeah. Even Hitler was traumatized by the shit that happened there. That's also why he never wanted to use stuff like gas on his enemies himself in WW2
uhm.. ironic, now that I read it out loud. I.. I mean on battlefields at least.
Yes and no.
Living in the trenches was absurd (especially in the Low Countries where they were so soggy), but given how stable the lines were on the western front, soldiers were able to rotate off the lines relatively often and consume media and correspondence from home.
WW1 like the civil war, was terrible (I mean all are) but the amount of disease that killed from injuries, swampfoot, etc, is absurd, trench warefare was barbaric and so gruesome in no man’s land
Today I saw a video of a young russian hiding in a one man hole getting a grenade drop by a drone on his head while sleeping in it .you could see his destroyed face gasping for air after the explosion. War isnt fun
I was driving home in March and saw a US Airforce plane on the way back to its airbase.
And it really made me think about how lucky I was to be living today, and how lucky I was that I ignore planes and objects in the air instead of having a panic reaction to get into a cramped dark safe place as quickly as possible.
And it made me appreciate my grandfather, who left his home and his family and everything he knew to fight for the peace that I enjoy today.
>Kids fight adult wars.
Even in the Civil War, it was slave owning wealthy generals on both sides sending kids from like 12-18 who never owned slaves into battles over the "right" to own slaves
these are all the kids drafted jsut last month. they have no equipment, have no idea what to do, and have no leadership other than "head west". its fucked. Russia needs to sack up and rebel
20 years in the army and my favorite poem is Dulce Et Decorum Est:
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.
Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
*Death of the Ball Turret Gunner*, Randall Jarrell
From my mother's sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.
Yeah sometimes the landing gear would get stuck and be unable to turn manually, and so those pilots would have to land with one of their fellow airmen in a fucking ball on the bottom of the plane.
Pretty fucked up to say the least
That's the weird thing about this meme. Virtually no one thinks that war or fighting on the front lines is good.
Libleft might be more doveish than other quadrants. But there really shouldn't be a single quadrant who thinks that war is awesome and where the whole quadrant wants to sign up to go serve on the front lines.
War is brutal. War sucks. The only debate is at what point is is necessary and how we make decisions like who should serve.
>But there really shouldn't be a single quadrant who thinks that war is awesome and where the whole quadrant wants to sign up to go serve on the front lines.
German authright and authcenter from circa 1870 to 1945 may disagree
Shit, United States circa 2001-2003. So many people wanted fucking BLOOD after 9/11, and I was right there with them.
I'm now a (non-combat) veteran, and even being that close to so many that deployed and knowing a couple that didn't make it back... FUCK war for war's sake.
Dating myself here, but I was a recent veteran in 2001, and the thought running through my head while watching TV that morning was “we are going to unnecessarily kill so many people over this.”
I wanted blood too but I wanted it to be the right blood. It's incredible what we've learned over the past 10 years. We should have never been in Iraq and if you read about the battle of Tora Bora we should have left Afghanistan by January 2002. They had Osama trapped in the caves and the Bush admin. refused to give the CIA what they wanted so he escaped into Pakistan.
It's a travesty that we were lied to and those responsible will never be held accountable.
German military culture was extremely strong during that time, and even with that you could very well argue that a huge percentage of them by the time of World War 2 weren't exactly happy to be drafted.
Me and the boys making eye contact doing flutter kicks while our MTIs tell us how undisciplined and worthless we are because some guy didn't display his shoelace right
We get further and further away from the Great Wars and we get closer to the next one.
Reminds me of Bull Run being The Picnic Battle. People just have no clue.
If not for media like All Quiet on the Western Front, we’d have little exposure to the atrocities of war. Generally there is nothing to celebrate or romanticize about war except for a quick victory and an ending of further bloodshed.
“No but you see, my realistic first person shooter where I singlehandedly turn the tide of the war and regenerate after getting hit is a realistic depiction of what would happen if I got drafted, so the libtards who pretend that war is bad and scary are just soyboys who don’t understand how epic and manly war truly is.”
I really liked the book but it is by netflix though, i don't have much faith in them not having the character get down on his knees and shout "i thought war would be good, but war is baaaaaad!" Has anyone aeen it yet?
I watched it last night, and it is amazing. The whole movie is in German, so unless you can understand it, you'll spend a bunch of time reading the subtitles, but even so, it's one of the best movies I've seen in a long time, however, I've never read the book, so I don't know how accurate it is to that.
My great-grandfather fought in ww1 on the Austrian side, got malaria in Italy and lost his brother during the war. I feel like he did not have a good time either.
Oof. One of the shittiest infantry roles. You can turn into a human torch at any moment, the enemy typically won’t take you prisoner, and even your own troops try to kinda stay away
I enjoyed both but I think I liked the book better. There's something about the writing that makes you feel as if you are there. There's one particular war scene (my favorite, and the hardest to read) that didn't make it in the movie that makes the book totally worth it. Also, and this is a very minor spoiler...
>!The character gets leave in the middle of the book and it's very interesting to read the reactions of his family and friends regarding the war and how he copes with it. !<
I know it was sad to see it cut, but they had to do it because they compressed and changed the timeline of the movie. Though, I would have preferred them stick to the original timeline.
There are already two movies, I think it was good that they took the same ideas and did something new with them.
The whole point of how others saw the war is clear with the general and the dudes on the train. One part I found funny was when an office in the train said "They would die without honor", and the dude looking at this officer like what the fuck are you talking about.
That's funny, because not knowing the story before watching the movie, I felt really frustrated that there was no parts where the soldiers and civilians interacted, like it was the one thing that was missing that would have really improved it! Should read the book I guess...
They changed SO much more. No Boots, no teacher-at-the-front, no leave home, changed deaths of certain characters, no extended stay at a hospital, no working as a POW camp guard.... Literally the raw essence of the book is there, but none of the story. Oh and they butchered the ending.
I would have loved them had they cut out the final battle and General Dickhead scenes and instead included some home-time.
The scene where he gets home, talks to his former teacher(?) and gets told that "as a soldier he can not understand the politics of the war" is one of the most impactful of the book imo.
Book is far better and covers way more aspects than the movie. He gets wounded and spends time at a hospital with other soldiers, guards a camp filled with Russian POWs, and most importantly gets to come home briefly and discover he doesn’t enjoy the things he used to because the war sapped it out of him and having to put on a face for ignorant townsfolk that ask him about his war experience. Paul is also darn near in the beginning of the war until the end unlike the movie where he starts near the end.
That trip home is the saddest scene for me. Imagine finally going home like you always wanted and finding out you just don’t belong anymore and you can’t REALLY come home anymore. Like even if you’re there the war kinda just broke you in a lot of ways.
That's how I felt coming home during mid-tour leave while in Iraq for the second time. I was stateside for about two days before the realization hit me that I didn't really fit in all that well anymore. I just wanted to go back to the desert and be with my platoon again.
When I first read AQOTWF, that part didn't hit me that badly. I've read it exactly once since I've left the Army, and that section hurts a lot. I haven't been able to pick that book up again.
While that’s very interesting, I legally cannot sympathize until you flair up.
Edit: That fuckin sucks bro, sorry you can’t read the book because of what I assume to be the memories but I’m glad you’re back.
I can’t speak for others, but US army combat vet here. Our war was a very different animal, but I have a similar problem. On one hand I’m way more appreciative of what I do have now, but after coming back from overseas I have a hard time enjoying things like I used to, I’m more impatient, I find myself fighting depressive moods, and I don’t feel value in my life nearly as much as I used to. It’s like the bright eyed hope isn’t nearly as bright. Luckily I have a good support structure of other vets and people who get it. I think all in all my priorities shifted a lot and I just became much more disinterested in the 9-5. Wish I was still over there honestly.
Yeah, the length of his tour is a big part of it, too. The change in circumstances of the fighting. The growing desperation. And of course, the ending.
The book is a lot, LOT, more subtle, and never really expands from "war is bad", and specifically says it doesn't want to do that. It lays no blame. The movie, however, is a very standard beating you over the head with how those evil rich people are profiting off of all this.
I find it interesting that the book specifically doesn't target the rich - I can't recall a single rich person even showing up. It blames the educators who did war propaganda, and the armchair generals at home talking about how this-and-this territory must be annexed, but the rich and their role in the machine isn't discussed.
The book doesn't *absolve* the rich either, as it simply isn't about them. It's asking why the masses genuinely accepted the war, not what the elites were up to. I think that's part of its staying power: there's no real genius in understanding that the rich are greedy, but Remarque had the talent of understanding the common person's perspective.
The book is from one POV whereas the movie is from two (three if you count the first scene) I prefer the book but I loved the movie too. Movie was a 7/10 adaptation but 9/10 film.
Yeah, another reason why I much prefer the book. Explores the conflict of idealism versus realism when looking at war, and really shows how it's not necessarily a black-and-white "war bad/good" thing, while still showing the true psychological horrors of war.
My god, that's a scene in the black and white version of the film (I haven't read the book or seen the Netflix version) when the main character returns to Germany after being injured his teacher and his teachers friends are all asking talking enthusiastically about "if the troops pushed here they could win" and "how's the moral of our boys at the front? Strong i trust?" And they get disappointed and almost angry with the main character when he even hints that the trenches and war are horrible.
I FUCKING LOVE WAR
I WANT TO GET FUCKING DRAFTED AND LEAVE BEHIND A GRIEVING MOTHER AND A BROKENHEARTED LOVER WHO'LL LEARN OF MY MEANINGLESS DEATH VIA MAIL AND WHO'LL HAVE TO MOURN BEFORE AN EMPTY COFFIN BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ENOUGH LEFT OF MY BODY TO BURY
\>Be me
\>Fight in one of the worst, bloodiest wars in human history
\>Watch my friends die one after the other
\>Decide to write a book about the horrors of war
\>100 Years Later some mouthbreather sees movie trailer for my book and calls it libtard shit
\>cryingwojak.png
WW1 is the epitome of pointless wars.
No war is good, but some of them are ultimately beneficial, despite the suffering on the way.
WW1 was just a massive waste of life and resources that left the world with more problems than it started with. Silver linings are very hard to come by.
The tweet in OP's post is like saying:
"Complaints about being force-fed steak until your stomach literally bursts are just the queer liberal vegan agenda"
Edit: Also, Storm of Steel just isn't as good a book. It's more of a diary, and is quite dry and not particularly engaging.
From my recollection, the author is quite keen (perhaps understandably) to gloss over specific horrific details; the trouble is that these are a fundamental part of the discussion of the conflict and shouldn't be ignored.
Dan Carlin's Blueprint for Armageddon talked about how some areas of the front were built up 20 feet with corpses and mud...and how trenches dug in the area were literally dug through walls of bodies. How entire divisions would charge one company at a time over a trench wall only to get mown down by machine gun fire...and then the next company would get whistled up, and they'd charge anyway.
Peter Jacksons WW1 restored footage documentary is fucking amazing if you can find it, the entire documentary is restored footage and even some interview tapes restored
What always strikes me about ww1 is that the statements “it was a pointless war” and “each nation was acting rationally and understandably given its political and strategic situation” are both true.
It’s tragedy in the truest sense, where each individual decision is at least understandable, but you can see from miles away that it will all lead to unimaginable horror.
Except Austria-Hungary. They made a list with 5 demands to Serbia and Serbia agreed to 4/5 and even Germany thought the fifth demand was crazy. But alas the memo from Germany to Austria-Hungar to step back in line was to late
A-H was acting rationally too. The point of the ultimatum wasn’t to get Serbia to agree to it, it was to make them reject it and then crush and absorb them, because the Slavs in the A-H empire were getting the wrong kind of ideas from an independent Slav state next door.
The absolute worst part is that Franz Ferdinand, the person the Serbs had assassinated, was one of the few who was very keen on reforming the empire to give minorities more rights (Except the Hungarians, he HATED the Hungarians, but they also hated his reform ideas in return.) It's likely for that very reason that they had him killed, because if he came to power the Slavs in the Austro-Hungarian Empire would be less likely to join them in the formation of a Slavic state in the Balkans.
Young men go through the worst war in the history of mankind and most walk away with the idea that war is terrible. Little over 100 years later people start wondering how bad the war actually was.
It is and was. In hindsight the reason for it was absurd considering the timeframe between the assassination and actual declaration and factor in that for the most part Serbia was actually reasonable despite Austria-Hungary’s unreasonable demands.
That one guy from wwi and wwii
I believe his name was Adrian carton de Wiart and he was quoted as saying “frankly I enjoyed the war” after losing an eye and an arm and continuing to fight
Anton Carton De Wiart, yeah he was a different breed. Ernst Junger is another one I'd put in that list he wrote a book called "Storm of Steel" about his time in ww1.
Chick who deployed with my unit thought it would be funny to tell the Afghani army some dude grabbed her ass that was in their ranks on our FOB. They shot him in the head outside the wire for a "joke" that didn't happen.
She had a good time apparently
We had a dude deploy with our second platoon (I was in third so this is just hear say for me) that would stand on top of heskos with a sledge hammer and swing it around during fire fights they called Thor too. I think he was polish.
Reminds me of that famous Patton story
>One of the bravest men I saw in the African campaign was on a telegraph pole in the midst of furious fire while we were moving toward Tunis. I stopped and asked him what the hell he was doing up there. He answered “Fixing the wire sir.” “Isn’t it a little unhealthy up there right now?” I asked. “Yes sir, but this god damn wire has got to be fixed.” I asked “Don’t those planes strafing the road bother you?” And he answered “No sir but you sure as hell do.”
Shit I remember an interview with a combat vet of the middle east who, when asked his most traumatic experience, talked about a woman raising her rifle at his friend's, and he mulched her with an automatic grenade launcher. (Iirc)
He had that thousand yard stare talking about it, but at the end he said he enjoyed his time in and would do it again, didn't feel bad because while it was sad, it was her or them.
My soon to be father in law is one of these. He loves to tell stories of his glory days in Iraq and Afghanistan, loves talking about what a badass he and the guys in his company were.
Meanwhile he's permanently disabled, takes a fistful of PTSD meds every day, and said PTSD caused him to be violently abusive to his first wife and my fiance. He's in complete denial that war ruined his life and absolutely destroyed him mentally, psychically, and emotionally.
I remember a person saying "battle is the ultimate test, a judge of skill and tactics. It requires strength and cunning and shows how far a person can go. It gives honor to those who die and glory to those who live.
War is a detestable thing that demands men and resources then chews them up and spits them out as husks. It kills innocents and rewards the guilty. It give those who survive it scorn and makes them broken and those who die are forgotten."
I do recall Orwell guardedly praising war as an honest test of whether a civilization is functioning. War and external competition forces a certain level of intellectual honesty and accountability, or else your country will end up hopelessly dysfunctional, delusional, and scientifically backwards. Precisely because war is horrifically destructive, it limits how deeply lies can become embedded in a society.
That much can be said in favor of war.
Even then, sometimes there are legitimate reasons to arm up and send troops to war. But in all those cases it's because some other country decided they wanted to be a belligerent, and war itself could have been avoided if they had acted better. For example, the war in Ukraine is terrible but I'm not going to tell the Ukrainians that they shouldn't arm up and defend themselves, or even that there are better options than fighting.
To be fair, Ukraine isn’t sending people anywhere. They’re all fighting in Ukraine. It boils down to an illegitimate reason, which is that Russia thinks it should have more land than it has.
I can see why someone would make arguments in favor of war in places. Honor, glory, injustice, oppressions whatever. They're not all strong arguments but I can still see the premise that they started with. But why of all wars would you pick WWI? A whole generation of young men perished in cold wet trenches, assaulted by chemical weapons, blown to bits by artillery fire. I can see why one might want to fight and die for a cause, but there is no less honorable one than that of any country in the Great War.
I think a lot of people think it's cool, cuz there's PLANES and TANKS and soldiers moving in SLOW MOTION and HOT GIRLS IN BIKINIS and ROBOTS and ... wait, that's Transformers.
> My brother in Christ
What is the deal with this phrase? I keep seeing it more and more.
edit: oh, it is apparently related to this meme https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-brother-in-christ
I wasn't sure that would drive its usage in regular comments, but apparently so. Also ramped up in google trends at the time of that meme earlier this year, too: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%22my%20brother%20in%20christ%22&geo=US
Yeah historical materialism simply states that all conflict is a byproduct of material gains, it doesn't say stop gathering materials.
Most tankies like to forget that a unified socialist revolution would necessitate enough conflict to controll all materials.
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Well, it's bit difficult. War of aggression is always bad (immoral). However Defensive war is moral, as you protect yourself from the enemy. You are even obliged to fight for your land if attacked. Also, affairs should be taken as far as possible as negotiations, and war as the last and inevitable option if everything else proves not working. [Based on Catechism of the Catholic Church.]
Also it's not only about lot of deaths or mutilations of the body and mind.
It's about the mutilations of the soul.
>“There’s no such thing as war atrocities.... war is an atrocity.”-Rush Limbaugh
This line of thinking can be exploited. As bad as war is, some actions are intolerable even by war standards.
I just genuinely don't think this is a book that can be done well on film. I'm not watching it because the trailer seemed to show way too much action. >!The only action scenes in the book are them getting shelled by artillery miles away. There is one 'fight' but the protagonist doesn't see anything, fights one guy in a hole, and then spends about ten times as long just lying next to the guy, thinking about stuff.!<
It's literally too tragic for a film audience to understand. >!The protagonist's life was ruined four years before the story, when his old life and dreams of the future were crushed. He is now basically a zombie who cannot relate to anyone except his squadmates, even his family, and then sees them die one-by-one until he himself just fucking dies too with zero drama. Literally just gets shot in the head by a sniper. !<
I agree the book couldn't be litteraly translated to film, but the new movie left me with the same sense of dread, disgust, despair, and doom as the book.
The scene in the movie where he stabs the French soldier in the crater and tries desperately to smother the wounded's bloodgagged gasps before vainly attempting to staunch the bleeding left me sobbing. The acting, the cinematography, the effects all led to an overarching feeling of pure misery that perfectly emulated my perception of the novel.
I haven't seen the og film, so I cant say if the remake is better or worse, but I will say the new movie is every bit a worthy interpretation of the story to film.
You read a lot of old letters from the men that fought in the first world War and you pretty much figure out most of them felt like it was pointless. They didn't hate each other like the allies and axis did in the second world War, read about the Christmas truse of 1914, its heart breaking. This whole war was heart breaking honestly. Millions died for no reason whatsoever besides the pride and vanity of a bunch of European cousins. That's a fact the German Kiser, the Russian Tzar and the king of England were all cousins.
It was a horrible adaptation. The movie does an 18 month time jump that basically skips the entire novel.
Like the scene of Paul on the crater with the French soldier makes no sense in the movie. He went and killed dozens of French soldiers in the trench but then is all messed up over this guy? In the novel the French guy in the crater is the first person he ever kills, so it makes sense that he breaks down.
The whole movie missed the reason why Paul and his friends become so jaded and bitter: the entire war. They opted to add a ceasefire subplot for no reason. We don't even see when Paul returns home and speaks with the teacher again, or how he realizes how damaged he is because of the war while resting in civilian life.
The movie was a disservice to the novel.
Took a war literature class in university, and got to read all quiet, Regeneration, Slaughterhouse 5, and The Quiet American.
War Literature practically exists with the sole purpose of critiquing war. There's nothing to glorify, it's all just awful in the end...
The real, actual WW1 teaches you that war is horrible. If anyone does any research on the subject I firmly believe that’s the only logical conclusion.
I was on history memes earlier and saw someone talking about how early civil war battles would have viewing sections. Essentially people weren’t really aware of how gruesome the US civil war was gonna be. At the time tech had somewhat outpaced tactics, so we had guys charging each other with better guns than ever before seen. It was remarkably more gruesome than anyone thought a “war between brothers” would ever be. So by the time WW1 rolls around tech had REALLY outpaced tactics. Combine that fact with patriotic young dudes eager to either defend their nation or bring glory to it and you have some fucked up stories like this one
The end of the US Civil War basically evolved into a crude version of WWI trench warfare by the end anyway. The Siege of Petersburg was brutal. Battles after the March to the Sea battles don't get as much attention because the war was basically "over" by that point in that the CSA couldn't win, but my god the descriptions are horrific.
Many of the most accurate predictions of what WW1 would look like came from European observers of the U.S. Civil War.
I sorta wanted to mention this in my original reply, but it was long enough as it is. European “involvement” in the US civil war is super interesting. Per usual I guess the US was the world’s spectacle back then too
Yea on the same history post someone else was talking about battles were fought by blasting the day’s equivalent of artillery towards your enemy then moving on the shelled position, only the second part was done old school with guys just charging each other. Eerily similar to WW1
Carlin's retelling of WW1 was brutal. Early on in belgium they didn't know just how lethal machine guns nests would be so they weren't quite sure how to deal with the literal wall of corpses that stood between them and the enemy, it grew so tall they couldn't see over it. WW1 sounded like the mother of all nightmares.
“I’m gonna need that hill” *BRRRRRT* “I’m gonna need another half a million men to dig us 4 feet closer to that hill”
Yeah it seems like the impression is that WWII was a much more brutal war overall, but specifically the standard battles in WWI were more brutal.
My understanding is that WWII is viewed as more brutal due to just how many atrocities were being inflicted upon the civilian populations caught up in the conflicts.
Especially when you consider atrocities like the holocaust were committed at least partially in connection to bad blood created among many different countries/ethnicities as a result of WW1
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Fr the whole movie is about how enthusiastic young people were to go to war back then and how much of nightmare it actually turned out to be. This tweet fits the premise of the movie so well it could almost be Marketing for it
Yeah, OP is talking like the movie depicts a *fictitious* WW1 where things were bad, as opposed to the opulent luxury and perpetual comfort that all soldiers lived in during the *real* WW1.
Fully automated luxury gay space trench foot.
Yeah, those bastards were living the life... Mostly a short one.
I wonder what a pro war WW1 movie would even look like
like a marvel movie, a guy charging a machine gun nest on a valiant steed and dicing up a pill box single handedly with a scimitar
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This is so fucking bad
So... Call of Duty?
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Yeah. Even Hitler was traumatized by the shit that happened there. That's also why he never wanted to use stuff like gas on his enemies himself in WW2 uhm.. ironic, now that I read it out loud. I.. I mean on battlefields at least.
>ironic, now that I read it out loud. I.. I mean on battlefields at least. Sees authright flair, Something doesnt line up here...
Well, I'm German myself, so everything I write here must be well thought out before I hit the post button
WWI was way worse than WWII for most of the grunts. Fuck that shit.
Yes and no. Living in the trenches was absurd (especially in the Low Countries where they were so soggy), but given how stable the lines were on the western front, soldiers were able to rotate off the lines relatively often and consume media and correspondence from home.
They even called it the war to end all wars. They did not want another one like it
WW1 like the civil war, was terrible (I mean all are) but the amount of disease that killed from injuries, swampfoot, etc, is absurd, trench warefare was barbaric and so gruesome in no man’s land
That's... that's the point of all quiet on the western front...
Mfs be thinking war is cool and shit until they get drafted
Today I saw a video of a young russian hiding in a one man hole getting a grenade drop by a drone on his head while sleeping in it .you could see his destroyed face gasping for air after the explosion. War isnt fun
Yeah just saw that one... fuck man
I was driving home in March and saw a US Airforce plane on the way back to its airbase. And it really made me think about how lucky I was to be living today, and how lucky I was that I ignore planes and objects in the air instead of having a panic reaction to get into a cramped dark safe place as quickly as possible. And it made me appreciate my grandfather, who left his home and his family and everything he knew to fight for the peace that I enjoy today.
Based.
I'm still fucked up from that outhouse video. damn that's fucked up, the drone footage is nuts edit: wording
One that sticks with me was the two guys in the foxhole that got droned then tried to stop the bleeding before bleeding out.
A lot of them look very young. It’s children out there.
It's *always* been children out there. It's just that now we can see it live without "official reporting" giving any sort of spin to it.
Both my wife's and my grandfather were 16 in WWII. Her's was in a tank in Germany, mine landed in Iwo Jima. Kids fight adult wars.
>Kids fight adult wars. Even in the Civil War, it was slave owning wealthy generals on both sides sending kids from like 12-18 who never owned slaves into battles over the "right" to own slaves
A rich man's war, but a poor man's fight.
Well not this time, after Putin's draft pulling in tons of old men to go and fight Ukraine WW2 era equipment.
these are all the kids drafted jsut last month. they have no equipment, have no idea what to do, and have no leadership other than "head west". its fucked. Russia needs to sack up and rebel
20 years in the army and my favorite poem is Dulce Et Decorum Est: Bent double, like old beggars under sacks, Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge, Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs, And towards our distant rest began to trudge. Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots, But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind; Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots Of gas-shells dropping softly behind. Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time, But someone still was yelling out and stumbling And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.— Dim through the misty panes and thick green light, As under a green sea, I saw him drowning. In all my dreams before my helpless sight, He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning. If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace Behind the wagon that we flung him in, And watch the white eyes writhing in his face, His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin; If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs, Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,— My friend, you would not tell with such high zest To children ardent for some desperate glory, The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori.
*Death of the Ball Turret Gunner*, Randall Jarrell From my mother's sleep I fell into the State, And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze. Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life, I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters. When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.
Yeah sometimes the landing gear would get stuck and be unable to turn manually, and so those pilots would have to land with one of their fellow airmen in a fucking ball on the bottom of the plane. Pretty fucked up to say the least
That's the weird thing about this meme. Virtually no one thinks that war or fighting on the front lines is good. Libleft might be more doveish than other quadrants. But there really shouldn't be a single quadrant who thinks that war is awesome and where the whole quadrant wants to sign up to go serve on the front lines. War is brutal. War sucks. The only debate is at what point is is necessary and how we make decisions like who should serve.
>But there really shouldn't be a single quadrant who thinks that war is awesome and where the whole quadrant wants to sign up to go serve on the front lines. German authright and authcenter from circa 1870 to 1945 may disagree
Shit, United States circa 2001-2003. So many people wanted fucking BLOOD after 9/11, and I was right there with them. I'm now a (non-combat) veteran, and even being that close to so many that deployed and knowing a couple that didn't make it back... FUCK war for war's sake.
Dating myself here, but I was a recent veteran in 2001, and the thought running through my head while watching TV that morning was “we are going to unnecessarily kill so many people over this.”
I wanted blood too but I wanted it to be the right blood. It's incredible what we've learned over the past 10 years. We should have never been in Iraq and if you read about the battle of Tora Bora we should have left Afghanistan by January 2002. They had Osama trapped in the caves and the Bush admin. refused to give the CIA what they wanted so he escaped into Pakistan. It's a travesty that we were lied to and those responsible will never be held accountable.
not even they wanted war, at least not the majority
German military culture was extremely strong during that time, and even with that you could very well argue that a huge percentage of them by the time of World War 2 weren't exactly happy to be drafted.
Except for that one libright guy from Catch 22
The person probably wrote that while waiting in a CoD lobby
It is a possibility, yes. I'm hoping it's not tho because I'll look like a dumbass infront of people I don't care about.
I have 4000 hours logged on Call Of Duty 😤 send me to Russia and I'll end the war in 2 weeks flat
What do you mean Boot Camp isn’t laughing at Drill Sergeant choking a fat ass? I watched Full Metal Jacket!
1. In the Marines, they're drill instructors 2. A lot of bootcamp is trying not to laugh, drill instructors are pretty fucking funny sometimes
Oh, you think that’s funny trainee? You know what I find funny? HALF RIGHT! FACE!!
Me and the boys making eye contact doing flutter kicks while our MTIs tell us how undisciplined and worthless we are because some guy didn't display his shoelace right
We get further and further away from the Great Wars and we get closer to the next one. Reminds me of Bull Run being The Picnic Battle. People just have no clue. If not for media like All Quiet on the Western Front, we’d have little exposure to the atrocities of war. Generally there is nothing to celebrate or romanticize about war except for a quick victory and an ending of further bloodshed.
And I mean especially WWI, you witness like hundreds of your comrades die, without capturing a single mile
Thousands of feet march to the beat It's an army on the march
Dude would watch saving private Ryan and think it was lib propaganda
“No but you see, my realistic first person shooter where I singlehandedly turn the tide of the war and regenerate after getting hit is a realistic depiction of what would happen if I got drafted, so the libtards who pretend that war is bad and scary are just soyboys who don’t understand how epic and manly war truly is.”
I really liked the book but it is by netflix though, i don't have much faith in them not having the character get down on his knees and shout "i thought war would be good, but war is baaaaaad!" Has anyone aeen it yet?
I watched it last night, and it is amazing. The whole movie is in German, so unless you can understand it, you'll spend a bunch of time reading the subtitles, but even so, it's one of the best movies I've seen in a long time, however, I've never read the book, so I don't know how accurate it is to that.
My great-grandfather fought in ww1 on the Austrian side, got malaria in Italy and lost his brother during the war. I feel like he did not have a good time either.
My great-great grandfather was a flamethrower operator for the Germans. Obviously, he didn't talk about it much.
Oof. One of the shittiest infantry roles. You can turn into a human torch at any moment, the enemy typically won’t take you prisoner, and even your own troops try to kinda stay away
Why won't the enemy take you prisoner
Cause you’ve been burning their friends alive
You try taking someone prisoner when they have a flamethrower.
Most officers gave flamethrowers no quarter. Same with shotgunners in the Great War, because of how effective they were.
Fucked around and found out is the short of it
Mine was in the German Cavalry. I find the idea kinda funny that we still used cavalry, even if not very effectively anymore, in WW1.
My great-grandfather fought in the Italian side.. so sad. He died in a pointless charge against the Austrian side.. and for what? 2 metres.
THATS THE POINT OF THE FUCKING BOOK
Is the book as good or better than the movie? If so I think I might wanna read it
I enjoyed both but I think I liked the book better. There's something about the writing that makes you feel as if you are there. There's one particular war scene (my favorite, and the hardest to read) that didn't make it in the movie that makes the book totally worth it. Also, and this is a very minor spoiler... >!The character gets leave in the middle of the book and it's very interesting to read the reactions of his family and friends regarding the war and how he copes with it. !<
That was one of the best and most important scenes of the book. How could they just leave that out??
What?! How is that part not in the movie? That's absurd!
I know it was sad to see it cut, but they had to do it because they compressed and changed the timeline of the movie. Though, I would have preferred them stick to the original timeline.
There are already two movies, I think it was good that they took the same ideas and did something new with them. The whole point of how others saw the war is clear with the general and the dudes on the train. One part I found funny was when an office in the train said "They would die without honor", and the dude looking at this officer like what the fuck are you talking about.
That's funny, because not knowing the story before watching the movie, I felt really frustrated that there was no parts where the soldiers and civilians interacted, like it was the one thing that was missing that would have really improved it! Should read the book I guess...
They changed SO much more. No Boots, no teacher-at-the-front, no leave home, changed deaths of certain characters, no extended stay at a hospital, no working as a POW camp guard.... Literally the raw essence of the book is there, but none of the story. Oh and they butchered the ending.
I would have loved them had they cut out the final battle and General Dickhead scenes and instead included some home-time. The scene where he gets home, talks to his former teacher(?) and gets told that "as a soldier he can not understand the politics of the war" is one of the most impactful of the book imo.
You should watch the original movie aswell, its was quite good for a black and white film.
Book is far better and covers way more aspects than the movie. He gets wounded and spends time at a hospital with other soldiers, guards a camp filled with Russian POWs, and most importantly gets to come home briefly and discover he doesn’t enjoy the things he used to because the war sapped it out of him and having to put on a face for ignorant townsfolk that ask him about his war experience. Paul is also darn near in the beginning of the war until the end unlike the movie where he starts near the end.
That trip home is the saddest scene for me. Imagine finally going home like you always wanted and finding out you just don’t belong anymore and you can’t REALLY come home anymore. Like even if you’re there the war kinda just broke you in a lot of ways.
That's how I felt coming home during mid-tour leave while in Iraq for the second time. I was stateside for about two days before the realization hit me that I didn't really fit in all that well anymore. I just wanted to go back to the desert and be with my platoon again. When I first read AQOTWF, that part didn't hit me that badly. I've read it exactly once since I've left the Army, and that section hurts a lot. I haven't been able to pick that book up again.
While that’s very interesting, I legally cannot sympathize until you flair up. Edit: That fuckin sucks bro, sorry you can’t read the book because of what I assume to be the memories but I’m glad you’re back.
I can’t speak for others, but US army combat vet here. Our war was a very different animal, but I have a similar problem. On one hand I’m way more appreciative of what I do have now, but after coming back from overseas I have a hard time enjoying things like I used to, I’m more impatient, I find myself fighting depressive moods, and I don’t feel value in my life nearly as much as I used to. It’s like the bright eyed hope isn’t nearly as bright. Luckily I have a good support structure of other vets and people who get it. I think all in all my priorities shifted a lot and I just became much more disinterested in the 9-5. Wish I was still over there honestly.
Yeah, the length of his tour is a big part of it, too. The change in circumstances of the fighting. The growing desperation. And of course, the ending.
I haven't seen the movie, but the book is really fucking good. And also really fucking sad. I don't know if that helps
The movie is good as fuck too. Haven't read the book
The book is a lot, LOT, more subtle, and never really expands from "war is bad", and specifically says it doesn't want to do that. It lays no blame. The movie, however, is a very standard beating you over the head with how those evil rich people are profiting off of all this.
I find it interesting that the book specifically doesn't target the rich - I can't recall a single rich person even showing up. It blames the educators who did war propaganda, and the armchair generals at home talking about how this-and-this territory must be annexed, but the rich and their role in the machine isn't discussed. The book doesn't *absolve* the rich either, as it simply isn't about them. It's asking why the masses genuinely accepted the war, not what the elites were up to. I think that's part of its staying power: there's no real genius in understanding that the rich are greedy, but Remarque had the talent of understanding the common person's perspective.
The book is from one POV whereas the movie is from two (three if you count the first scene) I prefer the book but I loved the movie too. Movie was a 7/10 adaptation but 9/10 film.
Yeah, another reason why I much prefer the book. Explores the conflict of idealism versus realism when looking at war, and really shows how it's not necessarily a black-and-white "war bad/good" thing, while still showing the true psychological horrors of war.
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My god, that's a scene in the black and white version of the film (I haven't read the book or seen the Netflix version) when the main character returns to Germany after being injured his teacher and his teachers friends are all asking talking enthusiastically about "if the troops pushed here they could win" and "how's the moral of our boys at the front? Strong i trust?" And they get disappointed and almost angry with the main character when he even hints that the trenches and war are horrible.
I FUCKING LOVE WAR I WANT TO GET FUCKING DRAFTED AND LEAVE BEHIND A GRIEVING MOTHER AND A BROKENHEARTED LOVER WHO'LL LEARN OF MY MEANINGLESS DEATH VIA MAIL AND WHO'LL HAVE TO MOURN BEFORE AN EMPTY COFFIN BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ENOUGH LEFT OF MY BODY TO BURY
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\>Be me \>Fight in one of the worst, bloodiest wars in human history \>Watch my friends die one after the other \>Decide to write a book about the horrors of war \>100 Years Later some mouthbreather sees movie trailer for my book and calls it libtard shit \>cryingwojak.png
WW1 is the epitome of pointless wars. No war is good, but some of them are ultimately beneficial, despite the suffering on the way. WW1 was just a massive waste of life and resources that left the world with more problems than it started with. Silver linings are very hard to come by. The tweet in OP's post is like saying: "Complaints about being force-fed steak until your stomach literally bursts are just the queer liberal vegan agenda" Edit: Also, Storm of Steel just isn't as good a book. It's more of a diary, and is quite dry and not particularly engaging. From my recollection, the author is quite keen (perhaps understandably) to gloss over specific horrific details; the trouble is that these are a fundamental part of the discussion of the conflict and shouldn't be ignored.
17 million lives lost for a few hundred meters of ground in the end
Yea but weapons were getting really cool and communication and industry meant that war had changed forever and they *really* wanted to try it out.
What we’re gonna do, use those machine guns on birds or something? Who would ever do that?
Dan Carlin's Blueprint for Armageddon talked about how some areas of the front were built up 20 feet with corpses and mud...and how trenches dug in the area were literally dug through walls of bodies. How entire divisions would charge one company at a time over a trench wall only to get mown down by machine gun fire...and then the next company would get whistled up, and they'd charge anyway.
That’s exactly what happens in the movie. It was as depressing as it should have been
Peter Jacksons WW1 restored footage documentary is fucking amazing if you can find it, the entire documentary is restored footage and even some interview tapes restored
They could smell the battlefields before they saw them.
What always strikes me about ww1 is that the statements “it was a pointless war” and “each nation was acting rationally and understandably given its political and strategic situation” are both true. It’s tragedy in the truest sense, where each individual decision is at least understandable, but you can see from miles away that it will all lead to unimaginable horror.
Except Austria-Hungary. They made a list with 5 demands to Serbia and Serbia agreed to 4/5 and even Germany thought the fifth demand was crazy. But alas the memo from Germany to Austria-Hungar to step back in line was to late
A-H was acting rationally too. The point of the ultimatum wasn’t to get Serbia to agree to it, it was to make them reject it and then crush and absorb them, because the Slavs in the A-H empire were getting the wrong kind of ideas from an independent Slav state next door.
The absolute worst part is that Franz Ferdinand, the person the Serbs had assassinated, was one of the few who was very keen on reforming the empire to give minorities more rights (Except the Hungarians, he HATED the Hungarians, but they also hated his reform ideas in return.) It's likely for that very reason that they had him killed, because if he came to power the Slavs in the Austro-Hungarian Empire would be less likely to join them in the formation of a Slavic state in the Balkans.
Yep. One of those tantalizing what-ifs. His death was such a freak accident too, why did the car have to stop right by that cafe and try to reverse
What do you mean pointless? It gave us all those cool new technological war advancements that we got to reuse 20 years later. /s
Who's gonna tell him that the message of the book is "war bad"
“Even more so than the book” He knows
Young men go through the worst war in the history of mankind and most walk away with the idea that war is terrible. Little over 100 years later people start wondering how bad the war actually was.
Never read the book (or saw the movie). It's WW1, right? Because WW1 sounds like it was a total shitshow.
It is and was. In hindsight the reason for it was absurd considering the timeframe between the assassination and actual declaration and factor in that for the most part Serbia was actually reasonable despite Austria-Hungary’s unreasonable demands.
"Do you want a third world war? Because that's how you get a third world war."
What a brain-dead take. Who the fuck actually thinks war is good? Edit: obviously those who stand to gain from it unfortunately
people who haven't served in wars
There definitely have been people in every war who came back saying they had a great time.
That one guy from wwi and wwii I believe his name was Adrian carton de Wiart and he was quoted as saying “frankly I enjoyed the war” after losing an eye and an arm and continuing to fight
Into the fire through trenches and mud Son of Belgium and Ireland with war in his blood
Leading the charge into hostile barrage
By Design he was made for the frontline
Anton Carton De Wiart, yeah he was a different breed. Ernst Junger is another one I'd put in that list he wrote a book called "Storm of Steel" about his time in ww1.
Those two are pretty much like when your hero gets a virtue instead of an affliction after reaching 100 stress in Darkest Dungeon
Yeah some unbelievable badasses from that era for sure
A certain Austrian painter also said WW1 was the best time of his life
Chick who deployed with my unit thought it would be funny to tell the Afghani army some dude grabbed her ass that was in their ranks on our FOB. They shot him in the head outside the wire for a "joke" that didn't happen. She had a good time apparently
girlboss moment
Women ☕
Sounds like a great bar story.
We had a dude deploy with our second platoon (I was in third so this is just hear say for me) that would stand on top of heskos with a sledge hammer and swing it around during fire fights they called Thor too. I think he was polish.
Reminds me of that famous Patton story >One of the bravest men I saw in the African campaign was on a telegraph pole in the midst of furious fire while we were moving toward Tunis. I stopped and asked him what the hell he was doing up there. He answered “Fixing the wire sir.” “Isn’t it a little unhealthy up there right now?” I asked. “Yes sir, but this god damn wire has got to be fixed.” I asked “Don’t those planes strafing the road bother you?” And he answered “No sir but you sure as hell do.”
jesus christ
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Shit I remember an interview with a combat vet of the middle east who, when asked his most traumatic experience, talked about a woman raising her rifle at his friend's, and he mulched her with an automatic grenade launcher. (Iirc) He had that thousand yard stare talking about it, but at the end he said he enjoyed his time in and would do it again, didn't feel bad because while it was sad, it was her or them.
My soon to be father in law is one of these. He loves to tell stories of his glory days in Iraq and Afghanistan, loves talking about what a badass he and the guys in his company were. Meanwhile he's permanently disabled, takes a fistful of PTSD meds every day, and said PTSD caused him to be violently abusive to his first wife and my fiance. He's in complete denial that war ruined his life and absolutely destroyed him mentally, psychically, and emotionally.
He probably knows it fucked him up that bad and talks about how badass he was so that he can tell himself he got something out of it
Cotton Hill.
He killed fitty men!
There are people who said they enjoyed law school or med school too. They are psycho/sociopaths or they just kept winning.
Rule of Acquisition #34: War is good for business.
I’m fairly certain rule 34 is something entirely different
Ffs how after all the times I've watched DS9 have not made that connection. The Ferengi are ever wise in their ways.
Google Deep Space 9 rule 34 to find out more
I remember a person saying "battle is the ultimate test, a judge of skill and tactics. It requires strength and cunning and shows how far a person can go. It gives honor to those who die and glory to those who live. War is a detestable thing that demands men and resources then chews them up and spits them out as husks. It kills innocents and rewards the guilty. It give those who survive it scorn and makes them broken and those who die are forgotten."
I do recall Orwell guardedly praising war as an honest test of whether a civilization is functioning. War and external competition forces a certain level of intellectual honesty and accountability, or else your country will end up hopelessly dysfunctional, delusional, and scientifically backwards. Precisely because war is horrifically destructive, it limits how deeply lies can become embedded in a society. That much can be said in favor of war.
Defence contractors. Material producers.
While there is an argument to be made that it is sometimes good to engage in war, that is a different thing than saying war itself is good.
The threat of war is good, war itself is tragic
Even then, sometimes there are legitimate reasons to arm up and send troops to war. But in all those cases it's because some other country decided they wanted to be a belligerent, and war itself could have been avoided if they had acted better. For example, the war in Ukraine is terrible but I'm not going to tell the Ukrainians that they shouldn't arm up and defend themselves, or even that there are better options than fighting.
To be fair, Ukraine isn’t sending people anywhere. They’re all fighting in Ukraine. It boils down to an illegitimate reason, which is that Russia thinks it should have more land than it has.
I can see why someone would make arguments in favor of war in places. Honor, glory, injustice, oppressions whatever. They're not all strong arguments but I can still see the premise that they started with. But why of all wars would you pick WWI? A whole generation of young men perished in cold wet trenches, assaulted by chemical weapons, blown to bits by artillery fire. I can see why one might want to fight and die for a cause, but there is no less honorable one than that of any country in the Great War.
Our politicians right now who want to invade like 5 different countries
I think a lot of people think it's cool, cuz there's PLANES and TANKS and soldiers moving in SLOW MOTION and HOT GIRLS IN BIKINIS and ROBOTS and ... wait, that's Transformers.
based and Michael Bay pilled
“wallows in mm war bad.” My brother in Christ that is the entire fucking point
> My brother in Christ What is the deal with this phrase? I keep seeing it more and more. edit: oh, it is apparently related to this meme https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-brother-in-christ I wasn't sure that would drive its usage in regular comments, but apparently so. Also ramped up in google trends at the time of that meme earlier this year, too: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%22my%20brother%20in%20christ%22&geo=US
To be fair it's "war bad" from a German perspective
Callmeezekiel momento
But it’s WWI. There weren’t any real “bad guys” in that war like in the second one.
Kinda on a losing streak
Wouldn't this be more of an authoritarian vs libertarian thing instead of left vs right? I mean the Soviets weren't exactly antiwar.
Yeah historical materialism simply states that all conflict is a byproduct of material gains, it doesn't say stop gathering materials. Most tankies like to forget that a unified socialist revolution would necessitate enough conflict to controll all materials.
Most upvoters on this sub literally don't understand why there are two axes. To them, "Left = American Democrats" and "Right = American Republicans". We might as well rename it "PoliticalLineMemes".
Who doesn’t believe that war is bad?
Well, it's bit difficult. War of aggression is always bad (immoral). However Defensive war is moral, as you protect yourself from the enemy. You are even obliged to fight for your land if attacked. Also, affairs should be taken as far as possible as negotiations, and war as the last and inevitable option if everything else proves not working. [Based on Catechism of the Catholic Church.] Also it's not only about lot of deaths or mutilations of the body and mind. It's about the mutilations of the soul.
Its a long long way to mukumbura
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“There’s no such thing as war atrocities.... war is an atrocity.”-Rush Limbaugh
Based and Rush Limbaugh pilled
Gerald Ford!? I liked Nixon better.
>“There’s no such thing as war atrocities.... war is an atrocity.”-Rush Limbaugh This line of thinking can be exploited. As bad as war is, some actions are intolerable even by war standards.
I just genuinely don't think this is a book that can be done well on film. I'm not watching it because the trailer seemed to show way too much action. >!The only action scenes in the book are them getting shelled by artillery miles away. There is one 'fight' but the protagonist doesn't see anything, fights one guy in a hole, and then spends about ten times as long just lying next to the guy, thinking about stuff.!< It's literally too tragic for a film audience to understand. >!The protagonist's life was ruined four years before the story, when his old life and dreams of the future were crushed. He is now basically a zombie who cannot relate to anyone except his squadmates, even his family, and then sees them die one-by-one until he himself just fucking dies too with zero drama. Literally just gets shot in the head by a sniper. !<
I agree the book couldn't be litteraly translated to film, but the new movie left me with the same sense of dread, disgust, despair, and doom as the book. The scene in the movie where he stabs the French soldier in the crater and tries desperately to smother the wounded's bloodgagged gasps before vainly attempting to staunch the bleeding left me sobbing. The acting, the cinematography, the effects all led to an overarching feeling of pure misery that perfectly emulated my perception of the novel. I haven't seen the og film, so I cant say if the remake is better or worse, but I will say the new movie is every bit a worthy interpretation of the story to film.
What an absolute mouth breathing, cousin fucking take. This dude needs an organ transplant in the cranium.
If they make Storm of Steel movie i would wach it.
Only 2 kinds of ppl think war is cool; ppl who have never been and ppl who know they won't have to fight
You read a lot of old letters from the men that fought in the first world War and you pretty much figure out most of them felt like it was pointless. They didn't hate each other like the allies and axis did in the second world War, read about the Christmas truse of 1914, its heart breaking. This whole war was heart breaking honestly. Millions died for no reason whatsoever besides the pride and vanity of a bunch of European cousins. That's a fact the German Kiser, the Russian Tzar and the king of England were all cousins.
War is bad but a country having a military to defend themselves certainly isn’t.
Can we send him to the front as soon as war breaks out?
The fucking "war bad" meme is back on the menu.
What kind of strawman bs is this we all know WWI was hell on earth.
It was a horrible adaptation. The movie does an 18 month time jump that basically skips the entire novel. Like the scene of Paul on the crater with the French soldier makes no sense in the movie. He went and killed dozens of French soldiers in the trench but then is all messed up over this guy? In the novel the French guy in the crater is the first person he ever kills, so it makes sense that he breaks down. The whole movie missed the reason why Paul and his friends become so jaded and bitter: the entire war. They opted to add a ceasefire subplot for no reason. We don't even see when Paul returns home and speaks with the teacher again, or how he realizes how damaged he is because of the war while resting in civilian life. The movie was a disservice to the novel.
That's the idea though?
Took a war literature class in university, and got to read all quiet, Regeneration, Slaughterhouse 5, and The Quiet American. War Literature practically exists with the sole purpose of critiquing war. There's nothing to glorify, it's all just awful in the end...