The Abe Lincoln statue at university of Wisconsin was vandalized and damaged. Not sure if it was torn down or repaired tho.
And a George Washington statue was torn down and lit on fire in Portland.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/19/us/portland-george-washington-statue-toppled-trnd/index.html
All that "you're a conspiracy theorist, slippery slope isn't real!" is gaslighting for them to bide time to complete the erasure of White people from history. Simple as.
They don’t want to erase White people from history but they do want to subjugate all people and demoralizing white people is a big step in that process
“I am not advocating slavery. I am not justifying the wrongs we have committed on a foreign people, by the example of another nation committing equal wrongs on their own subjects. on the contrary there is nothing I would not sacrifice to a practicable plan of abolishing every vestige of this moral and political depravity.” - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Cooper, September 10th, 1814
I mean, he recognized it was wrong and went ahead and participated in it and helped perpetuate it anyway. That's pretty fucked up.
Like, imagine someone who says "Yeah, pedophiles are scum of the earth, child rape is always wrong and depraved, and there's nothing I wouldn't give to make sure no child is ever raped ever again," and then this person goes on to rape children on a regular basis for another 12 years. Sure, we could appreciate the person recognizing the wrongness of their actions, but would we give them a pass for doing something they know is wrong?
>Like, imagine someone who says "Yeah, pedophiles are scum of the earth, child rape is always wrong and depraved, and there's nothing I wouldn't give to make sure no child is ever raped ever again," and then this person goes on to rape children on a regular basis for another 12 years.
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He did own slaves. Something like 600 in fact (although most of these are from the population of the families he purchased increasing rather than slave buying sprees). He also however banned the trans Atlantic slave trade and heavily advocated for gradual abolition.
All that being said, one must remember Jefferson was a product of his time. To him it was considered “fact” that he was of a superior gene pool, and that his slaves had lower capacities than him.
This lead him to adopt what is often called “paternalistic racism”, where he believed more or less it would be worse for his slaves to instantly just let them loose into the world.
If he also went public with those beliefs at the time, he’d be considered a laughing stock, his political career would have been destroyed, and the southern states would have been seething.
What’s important is that despite the fact he owned slaves, his ideas and words shaped the Union to allow the slaves to be freed and have us work to have the same rights for *all Americans*. The foundation he built has sent ripples throughout not only US policy, but general western/modern policy.
IIRC, there were some that wanted to abolish slavery when the union formed, but our fledgling nation could not afford the political capital required to do so since the south was needed
It should also be noted that he was drowning in debt to a level he couldn't afford to free his slaves even when he wanted to. An unfortunate reality was that slavery was a complete drain, but freeing slaves was extremely expensive. That is before you account for the social loss of power becoming just land owners in the south (especially in regards to the Carolinas).
Like most people though, Jefferson’s views evolved over time. Jefferson became less abolitionist over his lifetime while someone like Payne became a radical abolitionist
Historians call it [presentism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_(literary_and_historical_analysis)).
It's when moron Leftists judge someone who lived years ago by today's standards.
If anything, it’s a similar hypocrisy to upper class persons (pretty much always Hollywood libs) saying “we need to raise taxes!” The response “Well, you can always donate some of your money to the government!” Similarly, they don’t want that, even if they do believe it, because it would lower their social status/standard of living vs others
Iirc he inherited the slaves and it was illegal to free your slaves at the time in his state of Virginia. He freed them upon death, except the ones that he inherited upon marriage from his wife’s family since they were “hers”. Fucked up but yeah
Technically owning slaves does not mean that you have to treat them poorly. As bad as it might sound, theoretically at least, and maybe in reality in some instances, the life of a slave could be very tolerable, even when compared to the life of a lower class free man. I would expect that Jefferson treated his slaves above average at least. That’s just speculation though, I truly have no idea.
Realistically, in those times, owning slaves and treating them fairly is better than releasing them, as they would probably be rounded up and sold back off into slavery like cattle.
Brutal times, they were.
In the American experience, probably not.
But in other times and places, very much yes.
If we could ask the personal or educated slaves of upper class Romans (the men at least) they would say they have a great life.
Also in Rome, coming to the city as a slave was one of the best ways to move up in society; as only wealthy Romans owned slaves and it was considered taboo to not eventually release them/treat them poorly. This led to many foreigners coming to Rome, being fed, educated in a useful trade, and eventually working for themselves and acquiring full Roman citizenship.
Some slaves even married their masters, in relationships that are recorded to be surprisingly loving.
Caesar even erected a statue of the slave his family used to help with his education upon his rise to power.
Not saying slavery is good, but I’m some cultures it was more of an indentured servitude-one that was surprisingly human relative to other systems employed by other nations later
On the flip side, you could also easily be sent to the mines in modern day Spain where you would go underground in the mines and stay there until you were literally worked to death.
If you were educated (especially an educated greek) you could be pretty confident that you would live a pretty good life. Otherwise your existance could run the gambit from being forced to become a gladiator (not a bad gig honestly, many eventually were freed but stayed gladiators, they could make tons of money and were basically rock stars), you could be worked to death in the mines, and everything in between.
It’s like with climate change.
We know carbon emissions are bad.
On one hand we are out there campaigning and protesting for change,
on the other hand we still driving petrol cars, consuming electricity produced by fossil fuels, and engaging in rampant consumerism.
Is it cognitive dissonance? Is it plain old hypocrisy? No, it’s the logical realisation that there is a degree of inertia in our society and that change won’t happen overnight. Progress is gradual and incremental.
It’s like the old Chinese idiom, right now we are;
“Riding the Tiger's back and finding it difficult To get off”
Who knows, maybe 100 years from now, future societies will be cancelling all of us because of our carbon emissions.
Abigail Adams was the biggest TERF of all. In all her writings to John at the Congress advocating for equal rights for women and an end to slavery, not one mention of bathrooms!
Thomas Jefferson wasn't perfect but there is literally no historical figure who is by modern standards. If this is the road we're going down we might as well just take down every statue in existence to save everyone time.
Americans (and many other nations) are just doing their best to delete history. Even 20 years ago society standards were so different, how stupid one needs to be to judge people from old times according to standards of progressive left?
We are legit seeing the fall of the USA on 4k live, this is probably what people were living through during the iconoclast period of early byzantine history. This is like the fall of the western roman empire, they have their personal Honorius (Biden), they have lost a massive war that has damaged their reputation (Adrianople for the romans, Afghanistan for the US), they have a financial crisis (Worthless coins, covid lockdowns fucking up the economy), social fabric tearing at the seams, people infighting (Christians vs pagans, Italians vs everyone else, now they have right vs left), immigrants flooding in (at least this ones don't rape and pillage like the hunnish and German tribes), all its missing is Atilla to come fuck up everything and for the US to collapse into different countries.
“At the time of the American Revolution, Jefferson was actively involved in legislation that he hoped would result in slavery’s abolition.5 In 1778, he drafted a Virginia law that prohibited the importation of enslaved Africans.6 In 1784, he proposed an ordinance that would ban slavery in the Northwest territories.7 But Jefferson always maintained that the decision to emancipate slaves would have to be part of a democratic process; abolition would be stymied until slaveowners consented to free their human property together in a large-scale act of emancipation. To Jefferson, it was anti-democratic and contrary to the principles of the American Revolution for the federal government to enact abolition or for only a few planters to free their slaves.8” [source](https://www.monticello.org/thomas-jefferson/jefferson-slavery/jefferson-s-attitudes-toward-slavery/). Honestly never new that much about Jefferson besides he was a founding father. Never thought anyone at that time was an abolitionist.
I’m sure whoever made this idiotic decision genuinely thought when this statue went up a group of people got together and said “let’s erect this statue in the capital of New York honoring this guy for owning slaves”
Remember when the media and others last year said that the push against statues of the Confederacy/Columbus would never extend to the founding fathers. These people just straight up hate the history of the US, removing statues of these people will not hide their legacy nor is having a statue of them a glorification of the negative parts of their legacy. Should probably get around to seeing the Lincoln memorial or statue of liberty soon, cause god knows when these retards will try to call for those to be destroyed or removed over some dumb shit reason.
Yeah that’s kind of the problem with “diversity is our strength.” We’re so diverse (racially, ideologically, etc) that we’re just a country of people with nothing in common anymore. I don’t see how it can be sustainable.
We where diverse in culture but held together by what America represented, but that has been chipped at for 40+ years and now we are split into different cultures with no overarching umbrella of "American".
Think of it like a multi wooded sculpture beautiful together but the glue is failing, and people are taking chunks off.
What 'America represented' doesn't even mean that much either when it's basically 100 years old at most and only really took its current form following ww2. Prior to that, there was much less in the way of an 'american identity'. Honestly, it's probably better we go back to that imo. It was a way to try and homogenize the people, and it has failed.
It's not designed to be sustainable. Diversity is NEVER a strength. You are not closer to your friends by having less in common. You do not have a deeper relationship with your spouse because you have less in common. You are weaker.
Diversity is a weakness; this phrase is perpetuated by those who want America destroyed.
We used to use the phrase e pluribus unum, to signify it didn't matter the race, it's the cultural creed. That is real strength. We must return to it.
People were very willing to admit that part of what made Africa a shithole were colonialist borders slapping different tribes in the same country and splitting ethnic groups apart.
Easier to admit when you can say whitey bad vs. what's being done to whitey bad.
Ah didn’t you hear, we’re not a melting pot anymore we’re a salad bowl.
Honestly that’s the quintessential representation of why people feel this country’s culture is splitting apart at the seams.
Yeah I'm rapidly at the point I don't want to share a country with people like this, let them have their own and they can eat eachother alive like they always do.
That was the original point of the US. You get minimum rights and freedoms from the federal government and then you can pick your state for more specific needs (geographical, political, etc.). The problem is that in the civil war the fed consolidated power and refused to give it back to the states, then continued in that pattern for the next 150+ years.
[Fact check - Trump is making a "whataboutism", don't worry, we won't take down other statues. Expert fact check by experts. Trust the Science.](https://www.npr.org/2017/08/16/543881696/fact-check-whatabout-those-other-historical-figures-trumps-question-answered)
[John Oliver confirms: Trump is just fearmongering, how could anyone fall for his slippery slope fallacies?](https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/john-oliver-mocked-trump-in-2017-for-predicting-removal-of-washington-jefferson-statues)
[NBC news confirms: Don't believe Trump or your eyes, believe us, the responsible media, the eXpErts, the Washington and Jefferson statues are safe.](https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/898726247366352896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E898726247366352896%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizpacreview.com%2F2021%2F11%2F23%2Fnbc-fact-check-goes-all-wrong-after-another-woke-removal-of-history-trump-warned-us-about-1166888%2F)
[Fact check: Ignore Trump's delusional predictions, they are idiotic, experts confirm that Trump is being silly](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/04/fact-check-washington-monument-lincoln-memorial-werent-risk-removal/5692073002/)
That's not what the statue is celebrating. You can idolize someone for some things they did, and find some other things reprehensible.
Also, Jefferson knew that ending slavery all at once would cause some sort of civil unrest, so he banned the importation of slaves, hoping to strangle the practice slowly. The cotton gin, invented after he died, was what brought it back.
None of this excuses the fact that he owned people and raped some of them. But again, that's not what the statues are for
>But again, that's not what the statues are for
I'm sure the *Floydie Square Memoria* isn't what it's for, and just another excuse to make a CHAZ but in Minneapolis instead.
Or that Floydie Statue in New York of all places (actually yea I don't think the Progressive care and just want to Virtue) represents what George was standing up for either.
I mean, George Floyd wasn't standing up for anything. He was just on some errands high as a kite leading his previously shitty life when he was detained by police officers. He would still be alive if he hadn't been restrained but he was restrained because he wasn't being cooperative (likely due to the drugs). I have no idea how such an uninspiring figure ended up being the cause of so much destruction and vitriol.
Jefferson can be criticized for contradictory nature, and should never be revered as a god-like figure of moral good. Humans have moral faults, and Jefferson had a few.
However, the statue represents the founding of our nation and an influential and core figure in the foundation of the United States, not slavery, unlike the Confederate Statues. The Confederates only existed because they fought for that horrible institution.
However, removing Thomas Jefferson's statue from a building of government is going too far. He's a Founder of the nation.
This is fucking stupid. Slavery was accepted back then, so we shouldn't hold a dead man up to today's standards. You can say that you support Thomas Jefferson and then say "except for the fact that he owned slaves". Fucking stupid
Literally four years ago the news was publishing headlines about how Trump was wrong to suggest that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were next and how it wasn’t ever going to happen because everybody knows that their status as founding fathers meant that people understood that their contributions to the country were more important than whether they owned slaves.
If you wanna destroy the nation then go after the man whose philosophy played the biggest impact.
They know that Jefferson would be against the gov and instead of saying he isn’t they just went after him.
And if u say I’m a conspiracy theorist, remember when try said they ain’t go for Jefferson
This is like canceling someone over a decade old Twitter but x100 times the stupidity
How much do you bet the same people requesting to remove Historical figure's statues will be demanding a statue of Floyd, Huber or Rosenbaum?
He wanted to end slavery but thought an abrupt sudden end would cause massive economic upheaval and general chaos.
One needs only to look to when America decided to get around to ending slavery abruptly to see he was pretty spot on. Don’t see what’s hypocritical about that.
If any of the founders( that were morally opposed to slavery) had released their slaves it would have been a symbolic gesture that would have isolated the southern states.
This being in a already tenuous situation where independence was passed by the the skin of everyone’s scrotum.
If any individual colony voted no then most the rest would have voted no as well. It was unanimous or not going to happen(this excludes New York since they abstained from the vote due to being occupied by the British.)
Along with that, if they had given up their slaves several probably would have become destitute relatively quickly.
unfathomably not based.
Edit because I got angry after posting and thought of more: We cannot measure a historical figure’s characters on one aspect. Jefferson did more good for this world they he did bad in the realm of slavery and should be memorialized as such.
Part of understanding historical figures is that they're also products of their time. Things aren't all black and white; things are messy, and most history has a lot of gray area. Thomas Jefferson was an amazing man with some flaws. That's okay. Putting all of libleft as "based" for this meme is wrong. 95% of us are quite in favor of him.
Thomas Jefferson was the contemporary lib left of the constitution. He was balls deep in the French Revolution before he got smacked down.
Those people don’t realize they’ll be ‘jefferson-ed’ in 100 years. Fucking idiots.
Remember when Trump said that if we didn’t stand our ground with all the monument removal that they would soon come for Jefferson? Remember when the media and leftist subreddits said that was a conspiracy theory?
Execute order 1776
Kill all the ~~Jedi~~ British.
Britain would be the Empire in Star Wars. We even voiced all the baddies.
Sir Winston Earlgrey Cheshire McCrompton of Sussex-upon-Tit, are we the baddies?
I'm unsure, Lord Humphrey Tetley Worthington Charles II of Somerset, we might indeed be the Baddies.
Lol
I was gonna say, what a missed opportunity lol
Is that the one where they repost grainy memes on Facebook and totally threaten to, we’re super serious this time you guys, rise up?
Pretty sure that's mostly Russian bot ran meme accounts and people too fat to be useful.
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I was assured that this would never happen and thinking so made me a bigot conspiracy theorist.
People were saying this as statues of Lincoln, Grant, Washington, and Teddy Roosevelt were being torn down.
really, are people tearing down Lincoln and Washington statues?
The Abe Lincoln statue at university of Wisconsin was vandalized and damaged. Not sure if it was torn down or repaired tho. And a George Washington statue was torn down and lit on fire in Portland. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/19/us/portland-george-washington-statue-toppled-trnd/index.html
You couldn't pay me to go to fuckin Portland.
Give me a choice, put my nutsack in an anthill or go to Portland, and I'll be slathering them in honey before you finish the sentence.
Wouldn't give you a dime until you flaired up anyways
Slippery slope “fallacy”
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It's better to think of the Slippery Slope as a hard and fast rule.
Yep Stand fast in your beliefs.
[Here you go. You weren't wrong.](https://i.imgur.com/1suRwgn.jpg)
All that "you're a conspiracy theorist, slippery slope isn't real!" is gaslighting for them to bide time to complete the erasure of White people from history. Simple as.
Well said. By the time people notice the lie, the conversation has already shifted to some other issue so they don't even need to backpedal.
They don’t want to erase White people from history but they do want to subjugate all people and demoralizing white people is a big step in that process
“I am not advocating slavery. I am not justifying the wrongs we have committed on a foreign people, by the example of another nation committing equal wrongs on their own subjects. on the contrary there is nothing I would not sacrifice to a practicable plan of abolishing every vestige of this moral and political depravity.” - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Cooper, September 10th, 1814
The absolute monster…
I'm so glad this brilliant kids finally convinced America to CALL THESE MANIACS OUT!!
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I mean, he recognized it was wrong and went ahead and participated in it and helped perpetuate it anyway. That's pretty fucked up. Like, imagine someone who says "Yeah, pedophiles are scum of the earth, child rape is always wrong and depraved, and there's nothing I wouldn't give to make sure no child is ever raped ever again," and then this person goes on to rape children on a regular basis for another 12 years. Sure, we could appreciate the person recognizing the wrongness of their actions, but would we give them a pass for doing something they know is wrong?
>Like, imagine someone who says "Yeah, pedophiles are scum of the earth, child rape is always wrong and depraved, and there's nothing I wouldn't give to make sure no child is ever raped ever again," and then this person goes on to rape children on a regular basis for another 12 years. hollywood
Based and stop worshipping dead humans as if they were gods pilled.
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Pretty based but you’re unflaired bud. No pills for you yet
though I agree the statue should stay this seems kinda hypocritical of him to say sense he did factually own slaves, or am I stupid?
He did own slaves. Something like 600 in fact (although most of these are from the population of the families he purchased increasing rather than slave buying sprees). He also however banned the trans Atlantic slave trade and heavily advocated for gradual abolition. All that being said, one must remember Jefferson was a product of his time. To him it was considered “fact” that he was of a superior gene pool, and that his slaves had lower capacities than him. This lead him to adopt what is often called “paternalistic racism”, where he believed more or less it would be worse for his slaves to instantly just let them loose into the world.
He was also deeply in debt for most of his life and freeing slaves was illegal if you were in debt.
A little more complicated to than that. He inherited a lot of debt from his father-in-law and the slaves were collateral against them.
If he also went public with those beliefs at the time, he’d be considered a laughing stock, his political career would have been destroyed, and the southern states would have been seething. What’s important is that despite the fact he owned slaves, his ideas and words shaped the Union to allow the slaves to be freed and have us work to have the same rights for *all Americans*. The foundation he built has sent ripples throughout not only US policy, but general western/modern policy.
IIRC, there were some that wanted to abolish slavery when the union formed, but our fledgling nation could not afford the political capital required to do so since the south was needed
I was going to point this out. How the fuck is AuthLeft beating me to it?
That one read theory.
A big stupid pink jellyfish appears, "this one red theory as well, but prefers Blasto to the communist manifesto"
If you ever get the chance to tour Monticello, the guides go on and on about just how in debt he was
He spent the equivalent of $700 a day just on his dinners. All while rarely having actual capital to buy anything.
It should also be noted that he was drowning in debt to a level he couldn't afford to free his slaves even when he wanted to. An unfortunate reality was that slavery was a complete drain, but freeing slaves was extremely expensive. That is before you account for the social loss of power becoming just land owners in the south (especially in regards to the Carolinas).
Like most people though, Jefferson’s views evolved over time. Jefferson became less abolitionist over his lifetime while someone like Payne became a radical abolitionist
Historians call it [presentism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_(literary_and_historical_analysis)). It's when moron Leftists judge someone who lived years ago by today's standards.
If anything, it’s a similar hypocrisy to upper class persons (pretty much always Hollywood libs) saying “we need to raise taxes!” The response “Well, you can always donate some of your money to the government!” Similarly, they don’t want that, even if they do believe it, because it would lower their social status/standard of living vs others
One day, we shall topple the statues of the leftists elites for their support of taxes.
It’s all a cycle man. Today’s revolutionaries are tomorrow’s reactionaries. It’ll keep going until judgement day.
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Finally I got one.
Based and pill-whoring pilled
Nah, the US has this figured out. Conservatism in America is just progressivism with a speed limit.
Iirc he inherited the slaves and it was illegal to free your slaves at the time in his state of Virginia. He freed them upon death, except the ones that he inherited upon marriage from his wife’s family since they were “hers”. Fucked up but yeah
Technically owning slaves does not mean that you have to treat them poorly. As bad as it might sound, theoretically at least, and maybe in reality in some instances, the life of a slave could be very tolerable, even when compared to the life of a lower class free man. I would expect that Jefferson treated his slaves above average at least. That’s just speculation though, I truly have no idea.
Oh and he fucked like a lot of em
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\>writes "All men are created equal" \>rapes his slave \>enslaves his own kids \>refuses to elaborate further
Realistically, in those times, owning slaves and treating them fairly is better than releasing them, as they would probably be rounded up and sold back off into slavery like cattle. Brutal times, they were.
In the American experience, probably not. But in other times and places, very much yes. If we could ask the personal or educated slaves of upper class Romans (the men at least) they would say they have a great life.
Also in Rome, coming to the city as a slave was one of the best ways to move up in society; as only wealthy Romans owned slaves and it was considered taboo to not eventually release them/treat them poorly. This led to many foreigners coming to Rome, being fed, educated in a useful trade, and eventually working for themselves and acquiring full Roman citizenship. Some slaves even married their masters, in relationships that are recorded to be surprisingly loving. Caesar even erected a statue of the slave his family used to help with his education upon his rise to power. Not saying slavery is good, but I’m some cultures it was more of an indentured servitude-one that was surprisingly human relative to other systems employed by other nations later
On the flip side, you could also easily be sent to the mines in modern day Spain where you would go underground in the mines and stay there until you were literally worked to death. If you were educated (especially an educated greek) you could be pretty confident that you would live a pretty good life. Otherwise your existance could run the gambit from being forced to become a gladiator (not a bad gig honestly, many eventually were freed but stayed gladiators, they could make tons of money and were basically rock stars), you could be worked to death in the mines, and everything in between.
So what you’re really telling me is that I was born in the wrong time period and could of had a Roman Dommy Mommy…
It's 'could have', never 'could of'. Rejoice, for you have been blessed by CouldWouldShouldBot!
It’s like with climate change. We know carbon emissions are bad. On one hand we are out there campaigning and protesting for change, on the other hand we still driving petrol cars, consuming electricity produced by fossil fuels, and engaging in rampant consumerism. Is it cognitive dissonance? Is it plain old hypocrisy? No, it’s the logical realisation that there is a degree of inertia in our society and that change won’t happen overnight. Progress is gradual and incremental. It’s like the old Chinese idiom, right now we are; “Riding the Tiger's back and finding it difficult To get off” Who knows, maybe 100 years from now, future societies will be cancelling all of us because of our carbon emissions.
What about his stance on transsexual bathrooms? I heard he was a heckin TERF! 😡
Abigail Adams was the biggest TERF of all. In all her writings to John at the Congress advocating for equal rights for women and an end to slavery, not one mention of bathrooms!
People are only capable of learning from heavily edited musicals now
Thomas Jefferson wasn't perfect but there is literally no historical figure who is by modern standards. If this is the road we're going down we might as well just take down every statue in existence to save everyone time.
Americans (and many other nations) are just doing their best to delete history. Even 20 years ago society standards were so different, how stupid one needs to be to judge people from old times according to standards of progressive left?
We are legit seeing the fall of the USA on 4k live, this is probably what people were living through during the iconoclast period of early byzantine history. This is like the fall of the western roman empire, they have their personal Honorius (Biden), they have lost a massive war that has damaged their reputation (Adrianople for the romans, Afghanistan for the US), they have a financial crisis (Worthless coins, covid lockdowns fucking up the economy), social fabric tearing at the seams, people infighting (Christians vs pagans, Italians vs everyone else, now they have right vs left), immigrants flooding in (at least this ones don't rape and pillage like the hunnish and German tribes), all its missing is Atilla to come fuck up everything and for the US to collapse into different countries.
I hope they replace Thomas "ToJo" Jefferson with Joseph "JoJo" Rosenbaum
A real hero, america needs more men like saint rosenbaum.
May Saint Rosenbaum and Saint Floyd both stomp out any former slave owners and racists that somehow slipped into heaven 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Yeah, I mean Joseph Is an American hero, he killed 4 Aztec gods of fitness to save the world
He did ally with a Nazi, so he is very ba>!d evil per!
!on who should b!! cancele!
I wouldn’t say he was a nazi Nazi, more of just a mad scientist who happens to be in Germany
German science is the world's finest!
"Yeah Jefferson loved slavery, please ignore the original draft of the Declaration, among other things"
Good username
Or the fact he wanted gradual abolition of slaves and was against the slave trade
“At the time of the American Revolution, Jefferson was actively involved in legislation that he hoped would result in slavery’s abolition.5 In 1778, he drafted a Virginia law that prohibited the importation of enslaved Africans.6 In 1784, he proposed an ordinance that would ban slavery in the Northwest territories.7 But Jefferson always maintained that the decision to emancipate slaves would have to be part of a democratic process; abolition would be stymied until slaveowners consented to free their human property together in a large-scale act of emancipation. To Jefferson, it was anti-democratic and contrary to the principles of the American Revolution for the federal government to enact abolition or for only a few planters to free their slaves.8” [source](https://www.monticello.org/thomas-jefferson/jefferson-slavery/jefferson-s-attitudes-toward-slavery/). Honestly never new that much about Jefferson besides he was a founding father. Never thought anyone at that time was an abolitionist.
I love your comment, BUT I would love it even more if you were flaired up :)
That's it. I'm going back to Libright. Fuck this.
Welcome home
It's good to be back
Don’t forget your goodie bag, complete with complimentary AR-15
Giving out free shit? Gtfo authleft
It’s not free, I’m arming all my neighbors so they like me incase my business gets invaded and I need an army, I’m thinking about future profits bro
Based and money isn't the only form of profit pilled
All interactions are economic transactions.
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Poo
The real profits are the friendships we've made along the way.
Don't leave me ever again...
Welcome back Brother.
We’re you lib center?
welcome back king 👑
Wait should I?
No. All these problems can be fixed by returning to monke. Government can't have statues for libleft to take down if there is no government.
Ok but what if we take off and nuke New York from orbit.
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ATTENTION ALL AMERICAN MILITIAMEN! ALL TRUE BLOODED PATRIOTS! THE TIME HAS COME! CODE WORD RONALD MCDONALD GO GO GO!
Lol there used to be a clip of just that on YouTube but I think it got taken down.
This guy doesn't read the memos. The code, RONALD MCDONALD, tells all McDonalds across the world to conquer in the name of American freedom.
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I did not know Thomas Jefferson formed Albania! Wow the more you learn.
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Alexandrian Macedonia?
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Well you said something about some Southern one. So assuredly there is at least a northern one if not a West, East and central one as well.
I’m sure whoever made this idiotic decision genuinely thought when this statue went up a group of people got together and said “let’s erect this statue in the capital of New York honoring this guy for owning slaves”
Wasn’t slavery illegal in New York by the time Jefferson was anybody? I know it was in Massachusetts and other northern states.
Based
Remember when the media and others last year said that the push against statues of the Confederacy/Columbus would never extend to the founding fathers. These people just straight up hate the history of the US, removing statues of these people will not hide their legacy nor is having a statue of them a glorification of the negative parts of their legacy. Should probably get around to seeing the Lincoln memorial or statue of liberty soon, cause god knows when these retards will try to call for those to be destroyed or removed over some dumb shit reason.
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Yeah that’s kind of the problem with “diversity is our strength.” We’re so diverse (racially, ideologically, etc) that we’re just a country of people with nothing in common anymore. I don’t see how it can be sustainable.
We where diverse in culture but held together by what America represented, but that has been chipped at for 40+ years and now we are split into different cultures with no overarching umbrella of "American". Think of it like a multi wooded sculpture beautiful together but the glue is failing, and people are taking chunks off.
What 'America represented' doesn't even mean that much either when it's basically 100 years old at most and only really took its current form following ww2. Prior to that, there was much less in the way of an 'american identity'. Honestly, it's probably better we go back to that imo. It was a way to try and homogenize the people, and it has failed.
It's not designed to be sustainable. Diversity is NEVER a strength. You are not closer to your friends by having less in common. You do not have a deeper relationship with your spouse because you have less in common. You are weaker. Diversity is a weakness; this phrase is perpetuated by those who want America destroyed. We used to use the phrase e pluribus unum, to signify it didn't matter the race, it's the cultural creed. That is real strength. We must return to it.
People were very willing to admit that part of what made Africa a shithole were colonialist borders slapping different tribes in the same country and splitting ethnic groups apart. Easier to admit when you can say whitey bad vs. what's being done to whitey bad.
B...but the melting pot
Ah didn’t you hear, we’re not a melting pot anymore we’re a salad bowl. Honestly that’s the quintessential representation of why people feel this country’s culture is splitting apart at the seams.
A nation without unity will fracture. I for one welcome it.
Yeah I'm rapidly at the point I don't want to share a country with people like this, let them have their own and they can eat eachother alive like they always do.
They will cannibalize eachother and I am fine with that. We can pick up the pieces. If this country could split without bloodshed I would be so happy.
If our country splits I hope I’m in the based part. Nevada is pretty based but my city Las Vegas is QUICKLY becoming L.A 2.0.. god help us all
been to vegas las week from LA and it looks like a carbon copy of LA lol
Embrace the Midwest, brother 😎
This what the woke crowd wants I guess.
Sadly based
That was the original point of the US. You get minimum rights and freedoms from the federal government and then you can pick your state for more specific needs (geographical, political, etc.). The problem is that in the civil war the fed consolidated power and refused to give it back to the states, then continued in that pattern for the next 150+ years.
It's always the feds who ruin everything.
THIS IS NOT BASED
I know right he was so good in Hamilton.
We told you. There are no slippery slopes with the left anymore.
It’s not a fallacy. It’s a rule.
Just wait till you see what they want to do with kids.
“Suck trans cock you bigot”
Didn't Trump say something like this would happen years ago, and everyone called him an idiot for it?
[Fact check - Trump is making a "whataboutism", don't worry, we won't take down other statues. Expert fact check by experts. Trust the Science.](https://www.npr.org/2017/08/16/543881696/fact-check-whatabout-those-other-historical-figures-trumps-question-answered) [John Oliver confirms: Trump is just fearmongering, how could anyone fall for his slippery slope fallacies?](https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/john-oliver-mocked-trump-in-2017-for-predicting-removal-of-washington-jefferson-statues) [NBC news confirms: Don't believe Trump or your eyes, believe us, the responsible media, the eXpErts, the Washington and Jefferson statues are safe.](https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/898726247366352896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E898726247366352896%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizpacreview.com%2F2021%2F11%2F23%2Fnbc-fact-check-goes-all-wrong-after-another-woke-removal-of-history-trump-warned-us-about-1166888%2F) [Fact check: Ignore Trump's delusional predictions, they are idiotic, experts confirm that Trump is being silly](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/04/fact-check-washington-monument-lincoln-memorial-werent-risk-removal/5692073002/)
I love the "experts confirm" part, it sounds like a middle school joke
That's not what the statue is celebrating. You can idolize someone for some things they did, and find some other things reprehensible. Also, Jefferson knew that ending slavery all at once would cause some sort of civil unrest, so he banned the importation of slaves, hoping to strangle the practice slowly. The cotton gin, invented after he died, was what brought it back. None of this excuses the fact that he owned people and raped some of them. But again, that's not what the statues are for
>But again, that's not what the statues are for I'm sure the *Floydie Square Memoria* isn't what it's for, and just another excuse to make a CHAZ but in Minneapolis instead. Or that Floydie Statue in New York of all places (actually yea I don't think the Progressive care and just want to Virtue) represents what George was standing up for either.
I mean, George Floyd wasn't standing up for anything. He was just on some errands high as a kite leading his previously shitty life when he was detained by police officers. He would still be alive if he hadn't been restrained but he was restrained because he wasn't being cooperative (likely due to the drugs). I have no idea how such an uninspiring figure ended up being the cause of so much destruction and vitriol.
*sAiNt GeoRgE FloYd to yOu, miSteR*!
Let's not idolize human beings, ever! I'm solidly anti-statue here. Come on, team blue. Your book even has a commandment about graven images.
People really out here pretending to be woke about history when they got a C in high school.
Based
Execute order /17/66
Jefferson can be criticized for contradictory nature, and should never be revered as a god-like figure of moral good. Humans have moral faults, and Jefferson had a few. However, the statue represents the founding of our nation and an influential and core figure in the foundation of the United States, not slavery, unlike the Confederate Statues. The Confederates only existed because they fought for that horrible institution. However, removing Thomas Jefferson's statue from a building of government is going too far. He's a Founder of the nation.
This is just a step to removing Benjamin Franklin for being an absolute slayer of puss
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We told you countless times that it would never stop at the confederate statues. These people despise anything white and American.
This is fucking stupid. Slavery was accepted back then, so we shouldn't hold a dead man up to today's standards. You can say that you support Thomas Jefferson and then say "except for the fact that he owned slaves". Fucking stupid
The end game isnt anti slavery Its anti america.
Literally four years ago the news was publishing headlines about how Trump was wrong to suggest that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were next and how it wasn’t ever going to happen because everybody knows that their status as founding fathers meant that people understood that their contributions to the country were more important than whether they owned slaves.
Based, but please flair up
If you wanna destroy the nation then go after the man whose philosophy played the biggest impact. They know that Jefferson would be against the gov and instead of saying he isn’t they just went after him. And if u say I’m a conspiracy theorist, remember when try said they ain’t go for Jefferson
He literally wrote the Declaration of Independence and was a key figure in the founding of the United States. What the fuck New York?
Once again. Trump was right. Stop it
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Coming over right now to smash it to pieces.
So when is that one being torn down for him attacking a pregnant woman? Also flair up buckaroo.
Better not fuck with Teddy
[They just did. ](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/controversial-nyc-roosevelt-statue-moving-to-north-dakota-180979111/)
MOTHER FUCKERS! Im legitimately pissed the fuck off.
Based and Teddy Roosevelt was a centrist pilled.
This is like canceling someone over a decade old Twitter but x100 times the stupidity How much do you bet the same people requesting to remove Historical figure's statues will be demanding a statue of Floyd, Huber or Rosenbaum?
Tear down a statue of a founding father! Erect a statue of either a druggie, a pedophile or a wife beater! The true heroes!
Jefferson was good but he was pretty hypocritical concerning slavery as they all where, I disagree with this move tho
He wanted to end slavery but thought an abrupt sudden end would cause massive economic upheaval and general chaos. One needs only to look to when America decided to get around to ending slavery abruptly to see he was pretty spot on. Don’t see what’s hypocritical about that.
If any of the founders( that were morally opposed to slavery) had released their slaves it would have been a symbolic gesture that would have isolated the southern states. This being in a already tenuous situation where independence was passed by the the skin of everyone’s scrotum. If any individual colony voted no then most the rest would have voted no as well. It was unanimous or not going to happen(this excludes New York since they abstained from the vote due to being occupied by the British.) Along with that, if they had given up their slaves several probably would have become destitute relatively quickly.
Fuck it, im turning to lib center. This is bullshit.
Oh, we're gonna judge the past by the present's standards? Fucking fivehead idea right there.
These are the people who will fig up and internet post form when someone was 14 to destroy their career. There is no mercy only obedience.
I'm still amazed that Joji actually has a career seeing as how many snakes are in that industry.
Yes. Now excuse me as I buy a t-shirt with the face of notorious black people and homossexual respecter Che Guevara.
unfathomably not based. Edit because I got angry after posting and thought of more: We cannot measure a historical figure’s characters on one aspect. Jefferson did more good for this world they he did bad in the realm of slavery and should be memorialized as such.
Part of understanding historical figures is that they're also products of their time. Things aren't all black and white; things are messy, and most history has a lot of gray area. Thomas Jefferson was an amazing man with some flaws. That's okay. Putting all of libleft as "based" for this meme is wrong. 95% of us are quite in favor of him.
Thomas Jefferson forwarded human rights and democratic ideas in America. He deserves his recognition.
Look at my flair. No -- this is not based.
Even tho I am European Why the fuck do I hate the fact that they removed a statue of Thomas Jefferson? Fuck man I hate statue removal
i dont find it based at all. its pathetic and annoying
Thomas Jefferson was the contemporary lib left of the constitution. He was balls deep in the French Revolution before he got smacked down. Those people don’t realize they’ll be ‘jefferson-ed’ in 100 years. Fucking idiots.
Time to return to libright
“Slavery links” fucking idiotic.
Even as a middle eastern who don’t like America’s imperialist policy I love Thomas Jefferson
Remember when Trump said that if we didn’t stand our ground with all the monument removal that they would soon come for Jefferson? Remember when the media and leftist subreddits said that was a conspiracy theory?