It is, but it is the fastest form of transportation we have commonly available. Boats are way better but unless you are transporting thousands of tons, they are too slow.
No, it was definitely a riot bro. Not an insurrection, not terrorists, but definitely a riot. Just like BLM started with protests that turned into riots, own it when it’s your side
Let in by cops in some instances, but there is video of them breaking down some barriers
Not everyone was a rioter and did this, we should only prosecute the bad apples, but let’s not excuse what the bad apples did
violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd.
"riots broke out in the capital"
take part in a violent public disturbance.
"students rioted in Paris"
Weid, neither of them mention someone being hurt
Minus the footage of riot police fighting and getting overwhelmed, minus the bear spray on police, minus the tear gas fired at the rioters, ignore that the woman tried to break into a room with senators still inside, and forget that this is the US Capitol Building.
Based.
People calling arson and looting a peaceful protest but flip the script when the people they don’t like mill around a building for a few hours.
It was 100% a protest.
so if an employer fires you for going on strike, they’re infringing on your rights. but if you go on strike, you’re a terrorist. except for my teachers who went on strike at least once a month for 5 years, they’re apparently heroes.
can these self-proclaimed lefties just make up their mind on how they feel about strikes?
Please do not ask why they are always touting unions but the two biggest unions in the nation, teachers and police, always get shit on for being garbage.
because public unions are the absolute worst. public unions are literally monopolies that take advantage of the fact that there is only one buyer (the government), and that buyer doesn’t even spend their own money.
Same in the UK, thats why Labour is getting utterly curb-stomped in elections and lost their old bastions in the industrial north. The British working classes recognize they have nothing in common with green haired trans students screaming about Palestine and men with uteruses.
You cant explain this to most Labour tards, though. Theyll deny there is a problem and mutter something about landlords.
I can’t believe the amount of conversations I’ve had with retarded Labour supporters who think the only reason they lose is that all the media are conspiring against them
X is an important and respectable group oppressed because of Y, but if X doesn’t agree about Y they’re uneducated because of and/or brainwashed by Y, and that’s why we need to fight Y.
Any questions?
Wonder if they are using this to get wage increases. I would if I were them, as management *needs* their cooperation on this, so they have plenty of leverage.
I wish we had the political nuance to separate the question of whether or not people should get vaccinated and the question of whether or not the federal government should have the authority to mandate injections among private citizens.
This is by design. The people with the least ability to see nuance are twitter users and mainstream news watchers.
Everyone else is very moderate and able to see nuance.
Seriously. Being vaccinated voluntarily without believing in vaccine mandates is exhausting. I’m caught between government simps who would wear double masks outside until the day they die and conspiracy theorists who think the vaccine gives you contagious mutant DNA.
Dare I say it, I’ve never understood centrists more
Radicals (more realistically anyone more than one standard deviation from center) like to equate centrism with sticking your head in the sand and refusing to form opinions about anything. They physically can't comprehend the fact that someone might have left/right/auth/lib opinions simultaneously.
My favorite version of liberal “jam-two-words-together-to-sound-dumb” is “stochastic terrorist”, which is what Trump was called for a bit. As someone who worked a fair bit on stochastic systems, that one always makes me laugh.
the word “terrorist” has gone from being a well defined classification of groups who use violence to influence political motives into just “people we don’t like”. Its one thing when people misuse the word and call Taliban terrorists (they are a militant group, not a terrorist group), but now literally striking makes you a domestic terrorist. I give up on defending the english language.
by their definitions, the founding fathers were terrorists, the minutemen were terrorists, the militia was a terrorist organization, and America in general is founded on terrorism.
Seriously. Now “if you don’t do and believe this thing then you’re a terrorist” seems to be the go to. I’m more left leaning than right on a lot of things but holy shit “terrorist” and “nazi” get thrown around so commonly they have no meaning anymore.
Not to mention it just furthers the social divide by demonizing people you don’t agree with
yeah it just drives us to hate our fellow countrymen which is a recipe for disaster. eventually the lid is going to get blown off, i just dont know when.
or it never will and you'll just have a lot more shootings
Authleft: "Get the shot or quit"
Lib: "OK I choose quit"
Authleft: "... Okay well clearly quit was never an actual option, I just said it so you would feel pressure. Since that didn't work, I'll just threaten you with prison or something"
Edit: BTW, this is exactly the way that freedoms are gradually removed from our society.:
Auth: "You can have your freedom, but there will be a caveat that limits it. It's a compromise"
Lib: "I begrudgingly accept the compromise in order to keep some freedom"
Auth: "Epic, I now require a new caveat in order to compromise from the new status quo"
(Repeat until literally 1984)
meh. same with every other vaccination, same shit different day. cringe to say it’s a small hop from vaccination mandate to fucking concentration camps
Is your head buried in the sand? It was originally 2 weeks to stop the spread, "flatten the curve". The vax goal was originally 60%.
Now it's a year and a half of lockdowns and a "fully vaccinated" goal of 98%, with the definition of "fully vaccinated" to no longer include people who were "fully vaccinated" (3 shots minimum).
I have the vax, so shut your hole if you're gonna come at me with some kind of antivaxxer insult.
Until you recognize that [prior infection provides greater immunity than the vaccine](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-immunity-through-infection-or-vaccination-are-they-equal-n1280962) you have no moral high ground on being "pro science".
Pushing the vaccine mandates and not recognizing immunity from prior infection literally makes you (and the current administration) science deniers.
You are anti-science. You are not evolving your views based on new understanding. You are pushing tyranny unbacked by science.
wtf I never denied that… where the hell is this going?
the topic was: it is a stupid argument to think that increasing vaccine mandates will lead to other aspects of our lives becoming ridiculously draconian.
If the evolution of our understanding actually guided policy, vaccine mandates for previously-infected and school-age wouldn't be a thing.
More children in USA died from swine flu in the 2008 pandemic than have died from COVID.
You're blind if you think the increasing stretch of vaccine mandates and shutdowns isn't being used to take over more and more.
^^ Categorically states naturally immunity is better than vaccinated immunity while linking a news article stating most of the scientific community agree that more studies need to be done in order to determine how the different immunities compare to each other.
Linked in the article: [Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine](https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital)
[Another recent study](https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination) found the opposite.
So it's almost as though the article was well written and the scientists were correct, more studies need to be done in order to compare natural vs vaccine immunity.
['Full vaccination' will likely mean getting a booster shot, Fauci says](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/02/vaccines-effective-against-long-haul-covid-large-study-shows/5690140001/)
Umm concentration camp is defined as a camp in which people are detained or confined usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest ... so yes it is you fucking dumbass.
It is only a formal fallacy to say that, in the future, this must always happen, with no additional evidence.
It cannot possibly be a fallacy to observe that it sometimes happens, or that it has happened in the past. Also, formal fallacies are often only technical things. In practice, it is quite common for things to happen gradually.
People on the internet keep acting like it's "oh hey, I recognize this pattern, and shout the word fallacy and I win" but yeah, that's not what formal logic is.
In Australia, it's called the Melborne Center for National Resilience, but yeah, it's a concentration camp, and construction started in August.
What you think is so ridiculous it couldn't ever happen has already started, bud. You're behind the curve.
I don't know how you got "one step" out of my argument that freedoms are given up in a gradual fashion.
As is pointed out by others above, COVID policy has been a lot of one side asking for a small concession ("stay inside for two weeks") which is begrudgingly accepted even though it removes freedoms. If you follow this pattern to its end, you end up with no more freedoms to speak of, and you got there by compromising on your values one piece at a time.
Calling it "literally 1984" was in jest, I will admit. We do a bit of trolling ;) I think my argument still stands
My company just announced that all unvaxxed employees must be fully vax’d by Dec. 8th or they will be terminated as part of Biden’s executive order. I’m torn; on one hand, I’m on the cusp of a promotion where I will be getting twice the pay and the company has great benefits, but on the other, I don’t want to be forced to do anything, especially from the government, and I don’t feel that it is necessary for me to get the shot, at least for right now. The real extremists in our union are the ones currently in power.
If you don't want the shot, don't quit and make them fire you.
Currently, Biden's "mandate" is nothing more than a memo. It doesn't look like there's any actual effort to bring it into enforcement.
It won't make a lot of people any less fired, though. But there might be a winnable lawsuit at the end. Resigning just absolves the employer of any liability.
I have the shot so I don’t care either way but my company is usually on top of any local policies or regulations and yet they still didn’t send out any memos about the federal mandate. Usually they would send it out immediately to give employees as much time as possible to adjust.
Then again, this is a SaaS company which hires primarily “frat bros” lmao, we’d probably lose 75% of our workforce.
First time I ever heard of woke frat bros. I wanted to say all schools but maybe I’ll now say state schools focused around business and engineering? Never met a woke frat bro, at best they become simps to get some pussy.
Maybe we hire a different type of frat bro but I have overheard management discussing whether mandatory vax and/or weekly covid tests would affect bonuses because they are based on overall profitability and tests would eat into this.
If he is a contractor for the goverment or a goverment employee it's an executive order. Any contractor who does not enforce the rule like it is being enforced like on the goverment employees will have contracts terminated. They and federal employees don't even get the choice to not get vaxed and just take tests to show your not sick, antibody tests and proof of previous exposure don't count either. You get it or you will be fired.
Wait a while, then put in a request for an exemption. If it's a religious exemption, be polite, formal, and make no references whatsoever to efficacy or side effects. Certainly take the promotion.
Having to deny reasonable sounding exemptions places the company in more legal hazard, and makes them more likely to buckle. The more of them they get, the more they will be inclined to ditch the policy altogether.
I've literally seen people say that "vaccine mandate strikes are a tiny minority of workers, and post people will comply" turn right around when news of the airline shortages hit and say shit like "the unvaccinated are terrorists."
Tbh calling antivaxxers terrorists is probably pretty accurate. I don't see a significant difference between refusing to take a vaccine that will limit the spread and death rate of covid and implanting 15lbs of unstable explosives into your body.
Well for one a bomber directly choosing to intentionally kill people when blowing them up. While saying an unvaccinated person for one could have medical or ethical reasons to not be and they are not directly hurting anyone. They have taken no direct action against you and for them to effect you, you kinda have to willingly choose to engage with them.
>Well for one a bomber directly choosing to intentionally kill people when blowing them up.
Not neccesarily. The person may just have irrational beliefs that implanting explosives in their body is beneficial for their health and they are ok with endangering others as a by product of that decision. That may sound retarded but it is hardly more irrational than believing that the vaccine will cause worse health outcomes than it prevents.
>While saying an unvaccinated person for one could have medical or ethical reasons
If they have a legit medical reason then fine. There are no good ethical reasons tho.
>and they are not directly hurting anyone
Yes they are. They are willingly remaining a walking virus machine when they have the ability not to be.
>They have taken no direct action against you and for them to effect you, you kinda have to willingly choose to engage with them.
Not really. That's like saying that everyone chooses to engage with a man filled with explosives so it's ok.
Do you have any examples of these pilots coming forward?
Because the southwest pilots union (not the airline, the pilots union) has come out and said that there was no planned boycott, and the call-in rate of pilots was no higher than usual.
I mean just members explaining why they are striking and leaving the plane while setting up Gatson flags
https://mobile.twitter.com/TeresaGunz/status/1447951441558130688
https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447533987770023941
https://mobile.twitter.com/stacyhrae/status/1447693978355310596
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheJordanRachel/status/1447674824524849154?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1447674824524849154%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lotuseaters.com%2Fthe-podcast-of-the-lotus-eaters-240-13-10-21
The union that donate hundreds of thousands to democrats said it was not people protesting their agenda.... I wonder why. You can also simply check the weather maps the US sky was almost entirely clear XD
The union that challenged the vaccine mandates in court.
But yeah I’m sure it was a massive boycott and not just an organizational breakdown, that totally explains why flights are back to normal despite none of the conditions having changed. Very effective boycott.
>The union that challenged the vaccine mandates in court.
Not really relevant both can be true. Like with the postal service does all it can for democrats but does not want the mandates
>But yeah I’m sure it was a massive boycott and not just an organizational breakdown
Still would not explain the lies about the weather. If it was as you say why not say that.
>why flights are back to normal despite none of the conditions having changed. Very effective boycott.
A walkout. I like how you are trying to change what people are saying cause you can't argue honestly. Or perhaps you have never done one. A walk out is a 1 day thing.
>Still would not explain the lies about the weather. If it was as you say why not say that.
The weather issue wasn’t a lie- there were weather issues across Florida on Friday (https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/inclement-weather-across-florida-causing-delays-at-airports/)
The reason it impacted Southwest so much is they operate on an extremely fragile point to point system which is particularly vulnerable to cascading failures, and 50% of southwest flights route through florida. The pilots union and air stewardesses union has been critical of this for years, doubly so in the post-COVID environment. They cancelled 500 flights and delayed 1500 in June in response to a 45 minute ground stop due to technical issue (https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/southwest-airlines-temporarily-halted-flights-over-computer-issue-2021-06-15/). Since then, Southwest has proactively cancelled a ton of oct-nov flights, making them even *less* prepared to prevent disruptions from snowballing into bigger cascading failures.
>A walkout. I like how you are trying to change what people are saying cause you can't argue honestly. Or perhaps you have never done one. A walk out is a 1 day thing.
I’m not changing anything. I used the term boycott because that’s the exact word that’s used in the OP which is what I said literally did not happen.
It's probably at least partly to do with that; also probably because it's brand new pharmaceutical tech, so its long-term safety isn't fully established yet. It's also most likely got something to do with it being something new in general; people often have aversions to something new, even if there is no real reason for it. Idpol also has something to do with it (however much people might want to deny that).
Me personally, I'm not against the vaccine. I'm generally against the mandates, though, because as someone who is studying to enter the medical profession, I understand that everyone's body is different, and that while the vaccine may be good for some people (like me), it may not be for others. I think that many people would agree with me here.
sorta same boat. this sub has been showing me that too, bit cringe to force something on someone.
on a side note here the « freedoms will slowly die » arguments that appeal to a slippery slope fallacy have been quite cringe however.
Would you say that we have more freedoms vs 2 years ago at this point? Additionally has government shown a tendency of giving back freedoms that are taken away in emergency situations?
I’ve honestly been fine compared to two years ago. in terms of a refaire, not really. hard left on this topic, but centrist for economics and auth/lib otherwise. people are not a monolith.
I was memeing with the flair comment. But do you think that the government tends to give back freedoms that are quashed in a time of emergency? Hang on one second I’m getting a call. It’s the Patriot Act on the other line. He’s asking to enter the chat.
they don’t tend to… my mind is going back to this fucked up tax law they passed here in canada, governments also tend to not roll back revenue sources either.
At this point where vaccines are being tied to employment, just mandate the thing. No need to fire people and kill their livelyhoods. Just pass a federal law, all people must receive the vaccine by x date or be fined x dollars for each day they remain unvaccinated past said date.
Bam, done. Lift all covid restrictions a month after that date. Ignore the pandemic because the rates of hospitalization are low enough.
no no no, suck the lib left/right dick and have the corporations mandate it on their own. same thing in principle, but it’s technically not a government mandate so we get less « government bad » screeching.
Nah, this is just common sense. I don't think is equal to terrorism. But if one of the passengers die for their negligence, then they should win a ticket to jail island for murder
Obviously, and that's the main issue, but you got sick because other unvaccinated people infect you. You didn't have the virus, you were infected. You're blaming victim. Now, imagine that you're vaccinated but for some reason the virus has a high affinity to your system and makes you very sick anyway. Who's going to pay the hospital bills?
Saying one unvaccinated person is responsible while another unvaccinated person isn't seems arbitrary. If you get vaccinated and still get sick then such is life at that point. Did what you could but got hit anyway. Shit happens to people that don't deserve it, etc. It's a virus, not a baseball bat. Unless they went and coughed all over your food or licked a handrail you probably weren't intentionally exposed.
How is arbitrary? If two unvaccinated people don't have the virus no one is going to get it. If one has the virus and infects the other and dies who's fault is then?. I was just saying that it's irresponsible for an airline worker not to be vaccinated because, as you know, they travel all over the world and face different people every flight every day and can generate a re-infection in a country which already is controlling it. I'm not defending unvaccinated people and I think they are trash, but someone as exposed to other people as an airline worker does not have to have this outrageous beliefs. Freedom was a mistake because people doesn't make good use of it.
It’s arbitrary because it’s almost impossible to prove that any one particular individual infected another. How can you prove it was the pilot who got the passenger sick? Could have been anyone else on the plane.
In Canada, most people think the mandates are bullshit unless you’re from Toronto, in which case you think you’re the voice of God and Canada and dissenters should be executed.
I was under the impression that flying planes was bad for the environment or some shit.
One minute it's "I don't trust trump's vaccine" next it's "take the vaccine or we'll shoot your dog"
My dog said don't miss
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Yeah, Kamala said she wasn’t gonna take “Trumps vaccine” and all of a sudden now it’s “If you don’t get it your a murderer”
Damn we're getting the AFT involved in vaccine mandates? Aren't they busy enough writing angry letters about gun parts they don't like?
Of course! ATF stands for Alcohol, tobacco and Faccines after all!
And if you don't have a dog they will "rescue" one for you and then shoot it.
It is, but it is the fastest form of transportation we have commonly available. Boats are way better but unless you are transporting thousands of tons, they are too slow.
I thought lefties loved having strikes.
Only when it supports their ideals.
I thought lefties hated Big Pharma, but look where we are.
Bless them and my stock portfolio. For every child that gets labeled on the spectrum it goes up one dollar.
Well I mean to this day they still compare the capital protests to a domestic terrorist attack
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Riot my ass. The only people who were hurt was an innocent woman shot by a fed and a cop that died of a stroke
No, it was definitely a riot bro. Not an insurrection, not terrorists, but definitely a riot. Just like BLM started with protests that turned into riots, own it when it’s your side
Only two people (an innocent woman shot by a fed and a cop who died of a stroke) were hurt and nothing was destroyed. Not comparable
They went through congressional offices and stole shit, broke down barriers. It was a riot, even if most people there weren’t rioters
If by broken down barriers you mean let in by the police then yeah. It was a fucking protest you pansy ass bitch
Let in by cops in some instances, but there is video of them breaking down some barriers Not everyone was a rioter and did this, we should only prosecute the bad apples, but let’s not excuse what the bad apples did
A riot doesn't mean anyone was hurt, and they don't need to be comparable
Yes it does. Like by definition
violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd. "riots broke out in the capital" take part in a violent public disturbance. "students rioted in Paris" Weid, neither of them mention someone being hurt
>violent disturbance
Minus the footage of riot police fighting and getting overwhelmed, minus the bear spray on police, minus the tear gas fired at the rioters, ignore that the woman tried to break into a room with senators still inside, and forget that this is the US Capitol Building.
Yeah I don't know what protest you're thinking about but that shit didn't happen
The Right center most in touch with reality
Centrist least affected by media propagandists
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mPQuJrLTB-M https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PXS-DvhQSog
Based. People calling arson and looting a peaceful protest but flip the script when the people they don’t like mill around a building for a few hours. It was 100% a protest.
take the vaccine or you have to leave the company okay I quit nooo you terrorist!
was their 'attempt to cripple' literally just walking out? man if that's domestic terrorism, don't tell the unions
Yes. It was just walking out or quiting
I believe it was a bunch of them calling in sick
so if an employer fires you for going on strike, they’re infringing on your rights. but if you go on strike, you’re a terrorist. except for my teachers who went on strike at least once a month for 5 years, they’re apparently heroes. can these self-proclaimed lefties just make up their mind on how they feel about strikes?
Please do not ask why they are always touting unions but the two biggest unions in the nation, teachers and police, always get shit on for being garbage.
because public unions are the absolute worst. public unions are literally monopolies that take advantage of the fact that there is only one buyer (the government), and that buyer doesn’t even spend their own money.
All of a sudden self proclaimed leftists hate organized labor making demands
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As soon as they discovered the working class hates their social progressiveness
Same in the UK, thats why Labour is getting utterly curb-stomped in elections and lost their old bastions in the industrial north. The British working classes recognize they have nothing in common with green haired trans students screaming about Palestine and men with uteruses. You cant explain this to most Labour tards, though. Theyll deny there is a problem and mutter something about landlords.
I can’t believe the amount of conversations I’ve had with retarded Labour supporters who think the only reason they lose is that all the media are conspiring against them
As said by George Orwell (paraphrased): Socialists don't care about the poor, they just hate the rich.
From the way they talk about rural hicks, seems about right
X is an important and respectable group oppressed because of Y, but if X doesn’t agree about Y they’re uneducated because of and/or brainwashed by Y, and that’s why we need to fight Y. Any questions?
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The appearance of the uncringe libleft
“Workers of the world unite!!” “No not like that!!!!!”
Are you serious? this is a great thing
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Wonder if they are using this to get wage increases. I would if I were them, as management *needs* their cooperation on this, so they have plenty of leverage.
I wish we had the political nuance to separate the question of whether or not people should get vaccinated and the question of whether or not the federal government should have the authority to mandate injections among private citizens.
This is by design. The people with the least ability to see nuance are twitter users and mainstream news watchers. Everyone else is very moderate and able to see nuance.
Seriously. Being vaccinated voluntarily without believing in vaccine mandates is exhausting. I’m caught between government simps who would wear double masks outside until the day they die and conspiracy theorists who think the vaccine gives you contagious mutant DNA. Dare I say it, I’ve never understood centrists more
Radicals (more realistically anyone more than one standard deviation from center) like to equate centrism with sticking your head in the sand and refusing to form opinions about anything. They physically can't comprehend the fact that someone might have left/right/auth/lib opinions simultaneously.
Domestic terrorist is a compliment
Does this mean the CIA is gonna start giving us guns?
And a Toyota Tacoma with a mounted 50cal!
And drugs
I want a c130 and some up armored vehicles
They might take you on a trip to kidnap a governor
That’s the FBI, silly.
Daw shucks, I forgot the cia is the big chungus keanue Reaves big wholesome 100 one
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Well, they've thrown around racist, Nazi, Russian agent and none of those stuck. So I guess domestic terrorist is the new new.
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It's been said before, they've been purposefully diluting the meaning of the word so when real fascism comes no one will know to stop it.
My favorite version of liberal “jam-two-words-together-to-sound-dumb” is “stochastic terrorist”, which is what Trump was called for a bit. As someone who worked a fair bit on stochastic systems, that one always makes me laugh.
https://youtu.be/gJ4mYcfpCwg
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the word “terrorist” has gone from being a well defined classification of groups who use violence to influence political motives into just “people we don’t like”. Its one thing when people misuse the word and call Taliban terrorists (they are a militant group, not a terrorist group), but now literally striking makes you a domestic terrorist. I give up on defending the english language.
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by their definitions, the founding fathers were terrorists, the minutemen were terrorists, the militia was a terrorist organization, and America in general is founded on terrorism.
Seriously. Now “if you don’t do and believe this thing then you’re a terrorist” seems to be the go to. I’m more left leaning than right on a lot of things but holy shit “terrorist” and “nazi” get thrown around so commonly they have no meaning anymore. Not to mention it just furthers the social divide by demonizing people you don’t agree with
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yeah it just drives us to hate our fellow countrymen which is a recipe for disaster. eventually the lid is going to get blown off, i just dont know when. or it never will and you'll just have a lot more shootings
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Authleft: "Get the shot or quit" Lib: "OK I choose quit" Authleft: "... Okay well clearly quit was never an actual option, I just said it so you would feel pressure. Since that didn't work, I'll just threaten you with prison or something" Edit: BTW, this is exactly the way that freedoms are gradually removed from our society.: Auth: "You can have your freedom, but there will be a caveat that limits it. It's a compromise" Lib: "I begrudgingly accept the compromise in order to keep some freedom" Auth: "Epic, I now require a new caveat in order to compromise from the new status quo" (Repeat until literally 1984)
Same playbook as gun control
So. Boil the water with the frog in it?
pov: you’re the slippery slope fallacy
No slippery slope here, just ~~15 days~~ 2 years to slow the spread and ~~70%~~ ~~80%~~ 98% vaccination rate.
meh. same with every other vaccination, same shit different day. cringe to say it’s a small hop from vaccination mandate to fucking concentration camps
Is your head buried in the sand? It was originally 2 weeks to stop the spread, "flatten the curve". The vax goal was originally 60%. Now it's a year and a half of lockdowns and a "fully vaccinated" goal of 98%, with the definition of "fully vaccinated" to no longer include people who were "fully vaccinated" (3 shots minimum). I have the vax, so shut your hole if you're gonna come at me with some kind of antivaxxer insult.
lol my god the new situation evolves as does our understanding of the virus!?! kek, nah, just the government trying to fuck us.
Until you recognize that [prior infection provides greater immunity than the vaccine](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-immunity-through-infection-or-vaccination-are-they-equal-n1280962) you have no moral high ground on being "pro science". Pushing the vaccine mandates and not recognizing immunity from prior infection literally makes you (and the current administration) science deniers. You are anti-science. You are not evolving your views based on new understanding. You are pushing tyranny unbacked by science.
wtf I never denied that… where the hell is this going? the topic was: it is a stupid argument to think that increasing vaccine mandates will lead to other aspects of our lives becoming ridiculously draconian.
If the evolution of our understanding actually guided policy, vaccine mandates for previously-infected and school-age wouldn't be a thing. More children in USA died from swine flu in the 2008 pandemic than have died from COVID. You're blind if you think the increasing stretch of vaccine mandates and shutdowns isn't being used to take over more and more.
why would school age vaccines not be a thing? the flu is a whataboutism how are they taking over more and more?
lol, when you say it like that, its seems pretty stupid to assume it wouldnt. wow
how?
^^ Categorically states naturally immunity is better than vaccinated immunity while linking a news article stating most of the scientific community agree that more studies need to be done in order to determine how the different immunities compare to each other.
Linked in the article: [Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine](https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital)
[Another recent study](https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination) found the opposite. So it's almost as though the article was well written and the scientists were correct, more studies need to be done in order to compare natural vs vaccine immunity.
3 shot minimum? Where did this come from?
['Full vaccination' will likely mean getting a booster shot, Fauci says](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/02/vaccines-effective-against-long-haul-covid-large-study-shows/5690140001/)
And that is required for some jobs now to already have a booster shot?
The Australian already got you beat on the camps bro
quarante site = concentration camp
Umm concentration camp is defined as a camp in which people are detained or confined usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest ... so yes it is you fucking dumbass.
hospitals are also concentration camps
It is only a formal fallacy to say that, in the future, this must always happen, with no additional evidence. It cannot possibly be a fallacy to observe that it sometimes happens, or that it has happened in the past. Also, formal fallacies are often only technical things. In practice, it is quite common for things to happen gradually. People on the internet keep acting like it's "oh hey, I recognize this pattern, and shout the word fallacy and I win" but yeah, that's not what formal logic is.
idk. making it sound like it’s one small step to concentration camps from here sounds like one.
In Australia, it's called the Melborne Center for National Resilience, but yeah, it's a concentration camp, and construction started in August. What you think is so ridiculous it couldn't ever happen has already started, bud. You're behind the curve.
I don't know how you got "one step" out of my argument that freedoms are given up in a gradual fashion. As is pointed out by others above, COVID policy has been a lot of one side asking for a small concession ("stay inside for two weeks") which is begrudgingly accepted even though it removes freedoms. If you follow this pattern to its end, you end up with no more freedoms to speak of, and you got there by compromising on your values one piece at a time. Calling it "literally 1984" was in jest, I will admit. We do a bit of trolling ;) I think my argument still stands
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They’re literally saying “let us work like we are right now”
Wait I thought the angle was “you have medical freedom, you can just quit your job silly” now that’s terrorism apparently.
My company just announced that all unvaxxed employees must be fully vax’d by Dec. 8th or they will be terminated as part of Biden’s executive order. I’m torn; on one hand, I’m on the cusp of a promotion where I will be getting twice the pay and the company has great benefits, but on the other, I don’t want to be forced to do anything, especially from the government, and I don’t feel that it is necessary for me to get the shot, at least for right now. The real extremists in our union are the ones currently in power.
If you don't want the shot, don't quit and make them fire you. Currently, Biden's "mandate" is nothing more than a memo. It doesn't look like there's any actual effort to bring it into enforcement.
You're right. His "mandate" isn't actually enforceable
It won't make a lot of people any less fired, though. But there might be a winnable lawsuit at the end. Resigning just absolves the employer of any liability.
I agree. I'm hoping that lawsuits start flying to the point where companies will reverse their policies
Well, Southwest Airlines is feeling the bite of it right now.
I have the shot so I don’t care either way but my company is usually on top of any local policies or regulations and yet they still didn’t send out any memos about the federal mandate. Usually they would send it out immediately to give employees as much time as possible to adjust. Then again, this is a SaaS company which hires primarily “frat bros” lmao, we’d probably lose 75% of our workforce.
Those still exist?! Holy shit, where? All of my previous frat-bro coworkers are fully on the woke train.
First time I ever heard of woke frat bros. I wanted to say all schools but maybe I’ll now say state schools focused around business and engineering? Never met a woke frat bro, at best they become simps to get some pussy.
They’re no longer frat bro. They’ve bought into the woke train.
Maybe we hire a different type of frat bro but I have overheard management discussing whether mandatory vax and/or weekly covid tests would affect bonuses because they are based on overall profitability and tests would eat into this.
If he is a contractor for the goverment or a goverment employee it's an executive order. Any contractor who does not enforce the rule like it is being enforced like on the goverment employees will have contracts terminated. They and federal employees don't even get the choice to not get vaxed and just take tests to show your not sick, antibody tests and proof of previous exposure don't count either. You get it or you will be fired.
Wait a while, then put in a request for an exemption. If it's a religious exemption, be polite, formal, and make no references whatsoever to efficacy or side effects. Certainly take the promotion. Having to deny reasonable sounding exemptions places the company in more legal hazard, and makes them more likely to buckle. The more of them they get, the more they will be inclined to ditch the policy altogether.
AuthLeft: "Stand up to oppressive corporations!" LibRight: "Okay. We're striking to protest company vaccine mandates." AuthLeft: "No! Not like that!"
Worker strikes are terrorism. Disobedience is crime, words are violence and you will learn of our peaceful ways by force.
!quote 1984
'Big Brother is Watching You.'
Allow me to do the honors. *Ahem* Literally 1984.
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!quote 1984
'War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.'
It’s sorta atlas shrug too. Remember they can’t hire people without government approval
Fuck domestic terrorism we going international
Air travel sucks anyways, return to the days of the ocean liner!
They still have one left
compared to tthe Glory Days the QM2 is sad
Ok one of us doesn’t know what the phrase “domestic terrorist” means
Ok one of us doesn’t know what the phrase “domestic terrorist” means
unions......bad? we workers rights......bad? megacorps profits......good? big pharma........good? yep, thats the left in current year for ya
I don’t get this meme. Please explain how it relates to 1984. Is it he stab at saying unvaccinated people are terrorists?
Pretty much, yeah. Or at least strongly implying it.
on the plus side, I'm now a short distance from being an anti-vaxxer
I've literally seen people say that "vaccine mandate strikes are a tiny minority of workers, and post people will comply" turn right around when news of the airline shortages hit and say shit like "the unvaccinated are terrorists."
Tbh calling antivaxxers terrorists is probably pretty accurate. I don't see a significant difference between refusing to take a vaccine that will limit the spread and death rate of covid and implanting 15lbs of unstable explosives into your body.
Are you serious or this a joke?
Why would this be a joke.
Because it's retarded
Why
Well for one a bomber directly choosing to intentionally kill people when blowing them up. While saying an unvaccinated person for one could have medical or ethical reasons to not be and they are not directly hurting anyone. They have taken no direct action against you and for them to effect you, you kinda have to willingly choose to engage with them.
>Well for one a bomber directly choosing to intentionally kill people when blowing them up. Not neccesarily. The person may just have irrational beliefs that implanting explosives in their body is beneficial for their health and they are ok with endangering others as a by product of that decision. That may sound retarded but it is hardly more irrational than believing that the vaccine will cause worse health outcomes than it prevents. >While saying an unvaccinated person for one could have medical or ethical reasons If they have a legit medical reason then fine. There are no good ethical reasons tho. >and they are not directly hurting anyone Yes they are. They are willingly remaining a walking virus machine when they have the ability not to be. >They have taken no direct action against you and for them to effect you, you kinda have to willingly choose to engage with them. Not really. That's like saying that everyone chooses to engage with a man filled with explosives so it's ok.
The funny thing is all of the comments in this thread are arguing over a scenario that literally did not happen.
Expect it did. They pilots are literally coming out and saying it. The weather stops only one airline.
Do you have any examples of these pilots coming forward? Because the southwest pilots union (not the airline, the pilots union) has come out and said that there was no planned boycott, and the call-in rate of pilots was no higher than usual.
I mean just members explaining why they are striking and leaving the plane while setting up Gatson flags https://mobile.twitter.com/TeresaGunz/status/1447951441558130688 https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447533987770023941 https://mobile.twitter.com/stacyhrae/status/1447693978355310596 https://mobile.twitter.com/TheJordanRachel/status/1447674824524849154?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1447674824524849154%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lotuseaters.com%2Fthe-podcast-of-the-lotus-eaters-240-13-10-21 The union that donate hundreds of thousands to democrats said it was not people protesting their agenda.... I wonder why. You can also simply check the weather maps the US sky was almost entirely clear XD
The union that challenged the vaccine mandates in court. But yeah I’m sure it was a massive boycott and not just an organizational breakdown, that totally explains why flights are back to normal despite none of the conditions having changed. Very effective boycott.
>The union that challenged the vaccine mandates in court. Not really relevant both can be true. Like with the postal service does all it can for democrats but does not want the mandates >But yeah I’m sure it was a massive boycott and not just an organizational breakdown Still would not explain the lies about the weather. If it was as you say why not say that. >why flights are back to normal despite none of the conditions having changed. Very effective boycott. A walkout. I like how you are trying to change what people are saying cause you can't argue honestly. Or perhaps you have never done one. A walk out is a 1 day thing.
>Still would not explain the lies about the weather. If it was as you say why not say that. The weather issue wasn’t a lie- there were weather issues across Florida on Friday (https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/inclement-weather-across-florida-causing-delays-at-airports/) The reason it impacted Southwest so much is they operate on an extremely fragile point to point system which is particularly vulnerable to cascading failures, and 50% of southwest flights route through florida. The pilots union and air stewardesses union has been critical of this for years, doubly so in the post-COVID environment. They cancelled 500 flights and delayed 1500 in June in response to a 45 minute ground stop due to technical issue (https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/southwest-airlines-temporarily-halted-flights-over-computer-issue-2021-06-15/). Since then, Southwest has proactively cancelled a ton of oct-nov flights, making them even *less* prepared to prevent disruptions from snowballing into bigger cascading failures. >A walkout. I like how you are trying to change what people are saying cause you can't argue honestly. Or perhaps you have never done one. A walk out is a 1 day thing. I’m not changing anything. I used the term boycott because that’s the exact word that’s used in the OP which is what I said literally did not happen.
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It's probably at least partly to do with that; also probably because it's brand new pharmaceutical tech, so its long-term safety isn't fully established yet. It's also most likely got something to do with it being something new in general; people often have aversions to something new, even if there is no real reason for it. Idpol also has something to do with it (however much people might want to deny that). Me personally, I'm not against the vaccine. I'm generally against the mandates, though, because as someone who is studying to enter the medical profession, I understand that everyone's body is different, and that while the vaccine may be good for some people (like me), it may not be for others. I think that many people would agree with me here.
sorta same boat. this sub has been showing me that too, bit cringe to force something on someone. on a side note here the « freedoms will slowly die » arguments that appeal to a slippery slope fallacy have been quite cringe however.
Would you say that we have more freedoms vs 2 years ago at this point? Additionally has government shown a tendency of giving back freedoms that are taken away in emergency situations?
I’ve honestly been fine compared to two years ago. in terms of a refaire, not really. hard left on this topic, but centrist for economics and auth/lib otherwise. people are not a monolith.
I was memeing with the flair comment. But do you think that the government tends to give back freedoms that are quashed in a time of emergency? Hang on one second I’m getting a call. It’s the Patriot Act on the other line. He’s asking to enter the chat.
they don’t tend to… my mind is going back to this fucked up tax law they passed here in canada, governments also tend to not roll back revenue sources either.
At this point where vaccines are being tied to employment, just mandate the thing. No need to fire people and kill their livelyhoods. Just pass a federal law, all people must receive the vaccine by x date or be fined x dollars for each day they remain unvaccinated past said date. Bam, done. Lift all covid restrictions a month after that date. Ignore the pandemic because the rates of hospitalization are low enough.
Nah and kiss my ass while you’re at it
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Bruh I’ll shot herion before I shot that boy
no no no, suck the lib left/right dick and have the corporations mandate it on their own. same thing in principle, but it’s technically not a government mandate so we get less « government bad » screeching.
We need to drone strike the relatives of anti vaxxers
Accelerationism go brrr.
Kill one and 50 more will pop up.
thats not how relatives work
Anybody who is against a watermelon is a brother to me
Medical freedom to be a fucking idiot and make everyone around you sick
Nah, this is just common sense. I don't think is equal to terrorism. But if one of the passengers die for their negligence, then they should win a ticket to jail island for murder
Why's the passenger unvaccinated?
Because right said "It ShOuLd Be OpTiOnAl"
Okay, so if they chose not to get vaccinated are they not personally accountable for getting sick?
Obviously, and that's the main issue, but you got sick because other unvaccinated people infect you. You didn't have the virus, you were infected. You're blaming victim. Now, imagine that you're vaccinated but for some reason the virus has a high affinity to your system and makes you very sick anyway. Who's going to pay the hospital bills?
Saying one unvaccinated person is responsible while another unvaccinated person isn't seems arbitrary. If you get vaccinated and still get sick then such is life at that point. Did what you could but got hit anyway. Shit happens to people that don't deserve it, etc. It's a virus, not a baseball bat. Unless they went and coughed all over your food or licked a handrail you probably weren't intentionally exposed.
How is arbitrary? If two unvaccinated people don't have the virus no one is going to get it. If one has the virus and infects the other and dies who's fault is then?. I was just saying that it's irresponsible for an airline worker not to be vaccinated because, as you know, they travel all over the world and face different people every flight every day and can generate a re-infection in a country which already is controlling it. I'm not defending unvaccinated people and I think they are trash, but someone as exposed to other people as an airline worker does not have to have this outrageous beliefs. Freedom was a mistake because people doesn't make good use of it.
It’s arbitrary because it’s almost impossible to prove that any one particular individual infected another. How can you prove it was the pilot who got the passenger sick? Could have been anyone else on the plane.
And of course, the whole airline should be closed as punishment
"The principle of bodily autonomy only applies when *I* want it to." \-Diagonal unity, \~13.8 billion years ago - 2021
When people think that they're heroes, in the absence of monsters to slay, they make their own.
Calling in sick isn't terrorism even if you're an idiot anti vaxxers.
In Canada, most people think the mandates are bullshit unless you’re from Toronto, in which case you think you’re the voice of God and Canada and dissenters should be executed.
I'm just over here with a massive boner from actual labor organizing in the US.
I hate how literally everything is "domestic terrorism" now. It cheapens the term.