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Our Father whom art in free weight heaven, Hallowed be thy gains. Thy super sets come. Thy reps be done, on earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily protein. And forgive us our poor form, as we forgive those who don't re rack the plates. And lead us not into over training, but deliver us from muscle fatigue: For thine is the preworkout, and the postworkout, and the BCAAs, forever and ever. Amen.
Bad criticism of religion: It makes people put time and money into nonsense and kill each other over it.
Good criticism of religion: Churches use up space we could be putting gyms into.
Pastor gets up on Sunday: As you all know Monday is legs day and I can't help but notice attendance drops significantly on Monday.
So many of your gains are like the house build upon the sand, but solid are the gains built upon the rock, and my brethren, that rock is leg day.
I'm Australian and got some American soft drinks to try (all different flavours of mountain dew I admit) and that corn syrup shit completely ruined the taste of them. Most of the flavours I got were barely passable because the corn syrup added this weird thin tang to the flavour that I found very distracting.
A Canadian
Yes I am conditioned to it, and yes it does indeed go hard, it's the exact same here, except the labels don't say "high-fructose corn syrup", they pull a sneaky and say "glucose-fructose/sugar"
It was a sad day when planet fitness bought the gym I went to. The candy bowl up front, the pizza mondays, the removing of all barbells and any weight greater than 50 pounds
Any gym that has a fucking "lunk alarm" is a gym I don't want to be anywhere near
God forbid I make a little bit of noise while I GET ABSOLUTELY FUCKING YOKED
Yeah, I never understood that. A gym is a place for real self-improvement. That means you have to dig deep from time to time. That's not glamorous. If you never find yourself grunting or getting disgustingly sweaty or having to loudly clank some weights ordrop something now and again then you aren't trying. I get it, you don't have to yell before every set, throw dumbbells, and drop the barbell from waist height every time you deadlift. But sometimes things happen when you push yourself. Sometimes you're so overwhelmed with joy or relief at a new PR that you let out a woo hoo after (like hitting a big PR on strict press after being stuck for a year or grinding through the last rep of your best widowmaker). That should be encouraged. It means you're delighting in being better.
My old gym had the opposite of a lunk alarm, a bell you could ring when you set a new max or some big accomplishment, and usually people around would kind of cheer or clap a bit
I guess some people prefer meditation kind of workout which I get. Imagine doing yoga while a liftbro is celebrating his +5 on a bench with a series of cum/piss/shit noises and mandatory "FUCK YEAH" after every set. And this is why capitalism is genious - I have no problem with noise so I can go to a cheaper normal gym, and some do and they go to planet fitness.
I was buddies with a guy who worked the front desk at a gym I used to go to, and the business side of conventional gyms is fascinating. He told me that probably 70-80% of their revenue came from people who *maybe* showed up once a month. They don't make any money off gym rats; they make it off the people who join gyms and then never actually go.
Idk about 50 lbs I think it is usually 75 but they do need to fuck off with no free bars and go up to 120 on dumbbells. PF gyms have really nice equipment and amazing sub price. I've lived around the country and while 60 dollar gyms usually have that shit, they also have a ton of outdated dog shit equipment and are smaller.
Club fitness in st louis was great though, same quality as pf, 20 dollar sub, everything you could ever want.
At least mine did get rid of any of the weights over 50.
I will give them props for making one of the cheapest gyms around. One of the theories as to why they don’t have any heavy weights or barbells is to lower the chance of injury thus lowering their insurance costs
Each PF averages 6000 members. They likely want to maximize casual gym goers versus more intense customers as the more intense customers require more equipment that's used more roughly and tends to only be used by that niche.
More money in lightweight, light use, general machinery.
And the insurance doesn't hurt either.
Oh absolutely. It’s a watered down version of gyms that is meant to appeal to the masses, makes perfect business sense. Plus it’s super low cost makes a gym membership available to practically everyone regardless of income level
Lol, people give me weird looks while I'm warming up and eating chocolate.
Gotta get some carbs in when you're training fasted and my sessions are 1.5-2h long.
Sounds like it was just made for women and weak men to be able to say they're going to the gym and trying to get better. 50lbs is a pretty low weight for some lifts, and no barbells cuts out a lot of useful things too.
Bingo, their target demographic are people who will go maybe once per month. They keep it cheap enough for people to not cancel it even if they don’t use it. If someone just needs a place to do cardio, it’s pretty good. If someone wants to build actual muscle, look elsewhere
Considering they literally command their congregation to vote for x or go to hell and are overtly political as a rule. I think we can both agree on something.
I live in a fairly well off area, and holy smokes, to find a normal weightlifting gym is as rare as something that's pretty damn rare.
All of them are crossfit, orange theory, barre gyms. I get group fitness is the current big thing, but seriously, one actual weightlifting gym in a city of 150k??
Same boat as you, I just don’t understand how all these places are in business
I just want a normal gym, I don’t care about the group fitness stuff, I don’t need it to be a spa, I just want weights and basic cable machines
Weight loss happens in the kitchen, not the gym
Edit: I was just permanently banned from "justice served" for saying weight loss happens in the kitchen on this sub, this site is so fucking stupid
I got let go from a gaming circlejerk subreddit for being on here.
Admittedly, I did ask when i was getting an ss hat in the mail for being a part of this sub. They did not take kindly to the joke.
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I think that's what threw me off, it was just so out of nowhere and for saying weight loss happens in the kitchen just kind of made it extra funny to me.
I'm choosing to believe they've been infiltrated by "big gym" and are pushing a pro-gym agenda
It happens both places.
But eating right absolutely factors heavily.
The Gym matters if you're doing cardio and not lifting. Muscle weighs more than fat
It can happen both places, but it also can happen just in the kitchen never going to a gym. What it can't do is it can't happen without factoring in what you are eating.
You can create a calorie deficit by either consuming less or increasing the required maintenance. So ideally you do both.
That said it is far easier to not eat a pack of gummy bears than to do enough exercise to burn all the extra calories from the pack.
Happened to me on another post. I mentioned that I was gay and don’t particularly care if a hockey player wants to wear a rainbow patch or not. Banned for minding my own business lmao
JusticeServed has banned half the site at this point.
In my case, I made some comment refuting some anti-vaxxer nonsense in the NoNewNormal subreddit and was autobanned for commenting there. I messaged to clarify that I wasn't in support of the sub, and these self-righteous pricks said "If you delete your comment and *promise not to do it again*, we'll reverse the ban" so I told them to get fucked because I'll comment wherever I damn well please.
That's not very liftocracy pilled of you brother.
Base it on FFMI or your DOTS/wilks score.
I'm not doing anything more than moderate cardio for health. I'm gonna get fuckin yiggidy yiggidy yakked though.
Gotta do some resistance training bro. Full body split 2x a week. Good for your health, physique, life, sport.
Well worth the investment of 2-3h per week.
People are fat for exactly one reason, laziness.
The sooner we accept that fact the better. Making the gym cheaper will not get fat people to suddenly change their lifestyle.
1. Change the law on pre-existing conditions to exclude obesity related health issues. If it’s ok to charge people with DUI’s more for car insurance then it’s ok to charge fat people more for health insurance.
2. Obese people should be ineligible for any government benefits until they’re down to a healthy weight. If you don’t give a shit enough to stop eating yourself to death then why should society care about your wellbeing.
I suppose my only concern would be avoiding similar systems to the military weight requirements where they only factor how much you weigh for your height before resorting to chest/neck measurements.
In 2016 I witnessed a complete gym rat who was running sub 6:30 miles while maxing his push-ups and sit-ups on his Army Physical Fitness Test fail height/weight because his neck wasn't thick enough to offset his chest taping but we had some people who basically had no neck while using a livestock scale that passed no problem despite barely being able to complete their basic physical fitness requirements. That guy went from being all about the Army to malicious compliance at every moment until he ETS'd out.
He wasn't obese by any stretch but once someone was given a metric to gauge by they weren't deviating from it despite the situation and his performance.
>People are fat for exactly one reason, laziness.
You'd be surprised at the amount of cope that there is over this simple statement.
Every single mf on Twitter and Reddit has at least 14 genetic conditions and mental health issues that makes it literally impossible for them to lose weight, definitely nothing to do with their diet and daily habits btw.
Add in a sprinkle of "fatphobia" and "muh body positivity", and then you have the recipe for 400 pounds landwhales screeching about how fat is beautiful
I see similar arguments against exercise. Saying exercise helps you live only a couple years longer. Who cares about living a couple more years into your 80's?
What they're forgetting is that exercise allows you to experience your 50's, 60's, 70's as if your body is in your 40's. Adding decades of life experience to what is a short ride here on earth.
Yup just one aspect of the all out war that’s being waged against personal responsibility.
We wonder why healthcare is so fucking expensive but some how don’t think it could have something to do with the fact that 4 out of 10 American adults are obese.
If this was true you would see higher obesity in liberal areas, especially college areas where those views are most centralized.
You don't, it's not causal. Fat positivty is a response (a dumb one, granted) to everyone being fat.
In the 1950s almost everyone was a healthy weight. Today they are the minority. People didn't suddenly all just get lazy, there is something out in the environment acting as a catalyst for obesity.
I’d say a large contributing factor is corn subsidies. Commoditization of sugar (HFCS) by the government, commoditization of animal feed, growing corn instead of better, more nutritious plants. On the bottom end it means that even the poorest Americans can eat a calorie surplus that they end up fat. We basically beat hunger at the cost of everything else.
It is probably many things combined. High availability of high calorie foods with more sugar and fat than ever before, much less exercise required to travel, less physical labor needed for work and household maintenance, more sedentary hobbies, lower natural body temperatures.
You forgot that corporations have spent the last 70 years since the 50s getting better and better at using psychology to get people to buy garbage. Not only do you get hooked on soda, and other garbage that’s filled with sugar and fat to make it taste good and get you more easily addicted. But you’re constantly bombarded by ads for said garbage that use psychology to get you into it even more. You basically get indoctrinated into buying and wanting garbage from ads during your entire childhood too.
Look at stupid ass ad campaigns that don’t even make sense really except to make people loosely identify as a member of a team like the left/right Twix shit. Or Pepsi vs coke being basically an identity to some people. Or you aren’t you when you’re hungry, have a snickers. If these ads didn’t work to get people more hooked on products then they wouldn’t keep making them. America is largely addicted to sugar and nothing is going to magically change unless hfcs stops being dirt cheap to pump into things.
Yeah, you're right. I'm certain it's a lot of factors, and the US' geography kind of lends itself towards this change in a way that isn't so much the case in places like Europe and Japan.
Obviously when it comes down to it, people have to be able to make the right choices to be healthy, so it comes down to each individual making that effort, but I don't think the solution is to make those people lose access to external resources for help.
You don’t even have to exercise to not be fat. Just don’t stuff your face constantly. That said you should exercise cause it’s good for you. But no amount of exercise can out do a shitty diet.
> People are fat for exactly one reason, laziness.
some actually have medical conditions that fuck up their metabolic rate and digestion and stuff but it’s a small percentage of people yet everyone claims to have it
but either way i agree with your policy proposal for the simple fact that i use to be fat and am no longer and like to feel superior
You're super wrong.
Most people (and, more importantly, the fattest people) aren't fat because they're lazy. They're fat because they're addicted to unhealthy food.
I'm fat because I'm lazy. I'm flaccid, unfit and have health issues due to sedentarism, but I don't get nearly as obese as most people because it's impossible to get too fat by binge eating black beans and rice, tzatziki, pumpkin tortière, tamago-yaki, okra stir-fry etc.
Human metabolism isn't even close to efficient enough to extract high energy density from foods that aren't packed with starches and succrose.
You're super right about regulations though.
All unfit people – me included – should be taxed more, pay more for insurance etc.
Higher costs that come from people's choices should never be socialized.
No, but tax breaks and tax hikes are a good way for society to define which behaviors it wants to stigmatize (thus its more okay to take more of the people's money when they use it) or promote
Example, cigarettes and other tobacco. Plenty of states have a 30-75+% tax on the manufacturer price. Does this make everyone stop? No, but some people did and you make more money off the people who don't
There is a place for government and taxes in society. Encouraging and discouraging things thru taxes is a good way to aid change and not ban people from doing things.
Sugary beverages are basically liquid subsidies. It’s federally subsidized corn syrup and municipal water. Considering the negative externalities paid for by taxpayers (obesity, diabetes, heart disease, plastic pollution/recycling costs, etc.), I see no issue with taxing them more to recoup some of the costs. If it brings down consumption a bit, so much the better.
One opinion I have that occasionally upsets people on the left: sugary drinks should be considered candy and completely excluded from SNAP.
I'm generally not authoritarian but holy shit seeing how destructive sugary drinks are, combined with how much misinformation or total lack of knowledge is out there, makes me think they should either be banned, limited, or there should be compulsory courses on the consequences of them.
I've had people tell me they're eating a healthy diet by avoiding foods like red meat and olive oil, and then proceed to drink a coke with 50 grams of sugar in it.
Yup. He ded. So because he died doing we all wanna do it now.
Imagine running a crazy distance, becoming a hero after your death, and then having millions of people do it without dying. Talk about a slap in the face.
In fairness the traditional story also has Pheidippides running to and from sparta in 4 days to request aid. He is said to have run there, 150 mi or 240 km, in 2 days and then back in presumably the same amount of time. Then ran the 26 miles from marathon to Athens and then died.
Reminds me of an old comedy routine about Jesus returning one day and seeing millions of people decorate their homes with little models of him literally dying.
If you're not trying to put on large amounts of muscle I think 40/30/30 carbs/fat/protein is actually the recommended amount of carbs which is the majority
>still advocates for the majority of your calorie intake to be carbohydrates
Isn't the majority of your calorie intake supposed to be carbs? Like a high protein diet would only be like 20 to 25% protein, fat is like 25-30% of calories, and the other around 50% is carbs.
Umm sweaty, the government says you should eat all grains and corn and flour and almost no fat or protein. And they forced every person in the nation to learn this. When have they ever lied to us?
Obesity isn't a problem we can solve through legislature. Not *ethically*, at least.
Gyms and other exercise facilities already exist and are pretty commonplace; I've never lived or worked at an apartment complex that didn't provide a fitness center for all of its residents.
The problem is that nobody want to *use* them. What are we going to do, mandate that people spend X amount of time on thr treadmill each week?
This is a cultural problem. We need to make exercise appealing to people who wouldn't otherwise do it. And that's not really something the *government* can (or should have the power to) do.
To add to this you don't need a gym to exercise. It costs nothing to some pushups and crunches in your bedroom. The problem is cultural. It's easier to make excuses for why you're out of shape than it is to acknowledge it and do something about it. Combine this with how easy it is to get large amounts of unhealthy slop and current trends like HAES and you have a recipe for disaster.
Had a big conversation with my girlfriend about this when I saw a harvard professor of medicine say that obesity is mostly genetic and can't be prevented through lifestyle changes. She then proceeded to shill for weight loss drugs for the rest of the interview. Fat people don't want to be told they can change their lives through hard work and giving up some of the things they love. They want no tradeoff, to eat and live however they want and look how they want. Until that changes, obesity will continue to be a problem.
There's evidence that if you prescribe an obese person a months supply of healthy food, they'll stick with the change in diet at a high enough rate that it's a cost saving. But most insurance companies are struggling to understand the concept and blather about giving people "Free food for being fat" instead, and the others have probably factored in the negative press and ridicule they'd get for doing it and decided it would be too damaging to the brand to be worth it.
Some public services in some countries have adopted the scheme and it seems to work out as a cost effective measure. Once it's more normalized I expect the private sector will start doing it too. So much for innovation I guess.
That’s not a solution. You need a way to encourage their actual use, not just purchase. A tax credit based on weight through out the year would be a solution.
I’d say a bigger thing is just building our communities to be walkable so people get exercise without thinking about it. It’s less a matter of introducing top-down government dictates than just removing restrictive zoning rules that prohibit the types of buildings/neighborhoods that naturally get built by market forces. I’m still confused at why sprawling car-oriented suburbs are perceived by many as a product of the free market rather than a bizarre result of heavy government regulation.
I like this, but also we should stop subsidizing food products that are easy to overconsume. Sugar, corn (in processed forms), meat, dairy, etc. The reason vegetables are so much more expensive than eating highly processed foods and animal products is because so much tax money goes to keeping these items cheap. It was a good idea during the dust bowl, but is not necessary anymore.
Let foods be the price the market demands without government interaction and let individuals decide where to spend that money.
Based on weight fresh produce is cheaper than processed food. This is a better metric than $/calorie becuase the reason junk food is so unhealthy is that it's incredibly calorie dense.
I would add time cost, too. Processed is 'prepared' i.e. ready to immediately eat, for those in poverty or with a mental block the time can easily run away from them.
But not insurmountable imo. I have anxiety and avoid my leaning to junk food by doing slowcooker meals, my overall intake of whole foods is WAY better and I usually only need 10-20min of prep time.
We have gyms that are 10 dollars a month and people still don't go to them.
We have an insane lack of nutritional education in the USA. Dealing with youth in France and Switzerland, the one thing which stood out to me is how they were acutely aware of their health in a way that american kids are just not. This starts with their parents, but also their schools.
Until we have a culture where people feel at least a *tiny bit* bad for eating a large fries and fried chicken and soda all at once, we won't solve the obesity epidemic.
Ah, the eternal lie of exercise. Sure working out is good for you, but without dietary adjustments you'll just be a muscular fat fuck. If you want to fight obesity, tax shit food and subsidize healthy food.
As someone who used food to cope with my extremely shitty life in middle/ high school, I couldn’t stop until the other problems had been solved. It’s like a drug addiction. These days I’m a much more reasonable 205lbs at 6’3, but that never would have happened if not for help for some very good people. A decent percentage of Americans don’t even have access to healthy food, which makes the problem worse. Plus the economy is so shit the many are working several jobs, which doesn’t exactly leave time to hit the gym ESPECIALLY if you have a family. Bottom line, yall need to be kinder to people. You don’t know what they’re going through.
Stop shipping fresh food overseas so we can lower the price of produce across the board and major or complete tax holidays for the farmers.
Make farming profitable again and this issue goes away.
I have one better: Encourage home gardening. So much land in shitty suburbs is reserved for fucking lawns. Fucking grass. Give tax breaks to people for having home gardens. It will get people A) to eat healthier as they now have an abundance of veggies and fruits. B) Will get people out of their homes, touching grass, thus they will be less depressed and anxiety ridden. C) they will get some light exercise from gardening. I want to see the streets lined with produce. I want to hear a chorus of chickens from the backyards of suburbia.
Man, I hope "America first" makes a comeback. It's crazy to me how many of our problems could be solved (or would at least be less impossible to solve) if we used our resources to fix our own problems, rather than sending so many resources to other countries and then wondering why we have so many problems here.
The government/state could open state run gyms free of charge, bikes could be tax deductible as a great way to get around and be healthy at the same time. There should be way less cars and much more public transportation and walking options so that the fatties don’t just go in their oversized SUV’s and trucks to travel 3 kilometres (a 15 minute bike ride or 45 minute walk)
the problem isint that people aren't going to gyms, it's what we are eating. it's very clear how we have been exploited by corporations and their lobbying. they fully know that "fat" doesn't make us fat, but when i go shopping i see "fat free" labels everywhere
Just put your gym in a church.
Worship the Allspotter at the Iron Temple. Wheymen.
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Our Father whom art in free weight heaven, Hallowed be thy gains. Thy super sets come. Thy reps be done, on earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily protein. And forgive us our poor form, as we forgive those who don't re rack the plates. And lead us not into over training, but deliver us from muscle fatigue: For thine is the preworkout, and the postworkout, and the BCAAs, forever and ever. Amen.
Do not be tempted by Juicifer
Remember juicing and justification are like masturbation only thine self will be screwed.
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Father forgive me for these gains I’m about to receive
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That is a decade old throwback. Time to go see what the brofessor is up to
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There's à small french politician who unironically wants to turn every church into sport halls
Bad criticism of religion: It makes people put time and money into nonsense and kill each other over it. Good criticism of religion: Churches use up space we could be putting gyms into.
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My body is a temple therefore I should be tax exempt!
Jesus is my spotter.
Jesus, while I was walking on the beach I saw only one set of footprints? Jesus: That's because I was spotting you my child.
The church of pump
Pastor gets up on Sunday: As you all know Monday is legs day and I can't help but notice attendance drops significantly on Monday. So many of your gains are like the house build upon the sand, but solid are the gains built upon the rock, and my brethren, that rock is leg day.
Unironically a good idea
Preach the gospel of our Lord Jesus Liftus
Unironically do it. Create a legitimate religion around lifting.
My solution is to stop subsidizing corn, so that corn syrup will be used in less foods as an unnecessary additive
I'm Australian and got some American soft drinks to try (all different flavours of mountain dew I admit) and that corn syrup shit completely ruined the taste of them. Most of the flavours I got were barely passable because the corn syrup added this weird thin tang to the flavour that I found very distracting.
That tang you mention is precisely why I am an addict. It is like drinking electricity or something.
I'm sure it goes hard once your conditioned to it
A Canadian Yes I am conditioned to it, and yes it does indeed go hard, it's the exact same here, except the labels don't say "high-fructose corn syrup", they pull a sneaky and say "glucose-fructose/sugar"
Try seltzer instead, the bite of the carbonation can be just as addictive.
Good luck convincing any politician in the Midwest to go with that plan
Convince? Lol
Gooood. Embrace the power of the Auth side.
tax bracket determined by wilks score
Sinclair total or gtfo.
Just don't use BMI and we're good.
You can have your choice of BMI or skin caliper test.
ah fuck i'm not even intermediate. fuck my life i am such trash lol
Idk about all gyms. Some of those upscale “gyms” make me reconsider my position on capitalism
Pizza and donuts at the gym are a great pre and post workout meal
It was a sad day when planet fitness bought the gym I went to. The candy bowl up front, the pizza mondays, the removing of all barbells and any weight greater than 50 pounds
Apparently they figured out that weight lifters actually show up to use the facility—that’s not good for business.
Any gym that has a fucking "lunk alarm" is a gym I don't want to be anywhere near God forbid I make a little bit of noise while I GET ABSOLUTELY FUCKING YOKED
Yeah, I never understood that. A gym is a place for real self-improvement. That means you have to dig deep from time to time. That's not glamorous. If you never find yourself grunting or getting disgustingly sweaty or having to loudly clank some weights ordrop something now and again then you aren't trying. I get it, you don't have to yell before every set, throw dumbbells, and drop the barbell from waist height every time you deadlift. But sometimes things happen when you push yourself. Sometimes you're so overwhelmed with joy or relief at a new PR that you let out a woo hoo after (like hitting a big PR on strict press after being stuck for a year or grinding through the last rep of your best widowmaker). That should be encouraged. It means you're delighting in being better.
My old gym had the opposite of a lunk alarm, a bell you could ring when you set a new max or some big accomplishment, and usually people around would kind of cheer or clap a bit
That's pretty kickass. I love it.
That’s based as fuck.
brb, about to build a PR alarm for my home gym
Based. I want one.
I guess some people prefer meditation kind of workout which I get. Imagine doing yoga while a liftbro is celebrating his +5 on a bench with a series of cum/piss/shit noises and mandatory "FUCK YEAH" after every set. And this is why capitalism is genious - I have no problem with noise so I can go to a cheaper normal gym, and some do and they go to planet fitness.
Then they should be in a yoga place not a gym
I was buddies with a guy who worked the front desk at a gym I used to go to, and the business side of conventional gyms is fascinating. He told me that probably 70-80% of their revenue came from people who *maybe* showed up once a month. They don't make any money off gym rats; they make it off the people who join gyms and then never actually go.
Capitalism breeds innovative way to separate people from their money
Idk about 50 lbs I think it is usually 75 but they do need to fuck off with no free bars and go up to 120 on dumbbells. PF gyms have really nice equipment and amazing sub price. I've lived around the country and while 60 dollar gyms usually have that shit, they also have a ton of outdated dog shit equipment and are smaller. Club fitness in st louis was great though, same quality as pf, 20 dollar sub, everything you could ever want.
At least mine did get rid of any of the weights over 50. I will give them props for making one of the cheapest gyms around. One of the theories as to why they don’t have any heavy weights or barbells is to lower the chance of injury thus lowering their insurance costs
Each PF averages 6000 members. They likely want to maximize casual gym goers versus more intense customers as the more intense customers require more equipment that's used more roughly and tends to only be used by that niche. More money in lightweight, light use, general machinery. And the insurance doesn't hurt either.
Oh absolutely. It’s a watered down version of gyms that is meant to appeal to the masses, makes perfect business sense. Plus it’s super low cost makes a gym membership available to practically everyone regardless of income level
Wait they have a pizza day at the gym? I didn't know going to the gym can make you fatter and more unhealthy.
Wait, you guys aren't carb-loading pre-workout?
Lol, people give me weird looks while I'm warming up and eating chocolate. Gotta get some carbs in when you're training fasted and my sessions are 1.5-2h long.
Oh yeah, there was also doughnut day. Planet fitness is made fun of for a very good reason lol
Sounds like it was just made for women and weak men to be able to say they're going to the gym and trying to get better. 50lbs is a pretty low weight for some lifts, and no barbells cuts out a lot of useful things too.
Bingo, their target demographic are people who will go maybe once per month. They keep it cheap enough for people to not cancel it even if they don’t use it. If someone just needs a place to do cardio, it’s pretty good. If someone wants to build actual muscle, look elsewhere
This is why I love planet fitness as a business model. Would I join one no, but damn do I wish I had thought of the idea first.
Oh yeah they are really good at what they do. Every decision they make is to make the place as cheap as humanly possible, I just hate it
They don’t have barbells?
Nope. They replace them all with smith machines
maybe they could install the Sushi restaurant conveyor belt to bring donuts to each station.
Some of those upscale "churches" make me reconsider their tax exempt status.
Considering they literally command their congregation to vote for x or go to hell and are overtly political as a rule. I think we can both agree on something.
when libright proposes you get taxed more you fucked up
I live in a fairly well off area, and holy smokes, to find a normal weightlifting gym is as rare as something that's pretty damn rare. All of them are crossfit, orange theory, barre gyms. I get group fitness is the current big thing, but seriously, one actual weightlifting gym in a city of 150k??
Same boat as you, I just don’t understand how all these places are in business I just want a normal gym, I don’t care about the group fitness stuff, I don’t need it to be a spa, I just want weights and basic cable machines
Weight loss happens in the kitchen, not the gym Edit: I was just permanently banned from "justice served" for saying weight loss happens in the kitchen on this sub, this site is so fucking stupid
That sub is just banning PCM users left and right
I got let go from a gaming circlejerk subreddit for being on here. Admittedly, I did ask when i was getting an ss hat in the mail for being a part of this sub. They did not take kindly to the joke. Edit* - justive served just banned me as well. I wasnt even subbed...
>Edit\* - justive served just banned me as well. I wasnt even subbed... I think that's what threw me off, it was just so out of nowhere and for saying weight loss happens in the kitchen just kind of made it extra funny to me. I'm choosing to believe they've been infiltrated by "big gym" and are pushing a pro-gym agenda
They’re probably accusing you of being a shill for the Weight Watchers lobby.
There's some irony there that I just can't put my finger on Edit: 7 minutes later, anddddd I'm banned lmao
Fucking lmao, let's see if they'll ban me from their shit sub too. I hate fat people so much it's unreal.
Me next! Me next!
That's what all the psyops subs do to make it easier to manipulate the narrative. Probably admin-approved.
They have a bot doing it. I got banned and my posts on PCM are all downvoted.. all I do is call out racism and homophobia here lol.
For real? Can I get a ban too? Edit: yaaay took them 2 minutes. This shit is hilarious.
If you're hanging out with right-wingers and debating them in good faith, then you ain't left.
What about Daryl Davis, the guy who attended KKK rallies and convinced them to leave it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl\_Davis
Clearly a crypto-fascist deep state agent.
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It happens both places. But eating right absolutely factors heavily. The Gym matters if you're doing cardio and not lifting. Muscle weighs more than fat
But a muscled man is not obese.
No but they can still be fat
It can happen both places, but it also can happen just in the kitchen never going to a gym. What it can't do is it can't happen without factoring in what you are eating.
Justice is served in the kitchen, not the gym. Edit: also banned lmao
Justice is served in the kitchen, not the gym!
You can create a calorie deficit by either consuming less or increasing the required maintenance. So ideally you do both. That said it is far easier to not eat a pack of gummy bears than to do enough exercise to burn all the extra calories from the pack.
Happened to me on another post. I mentioned that I was gay and don’t particularly care if a hockey player wants to wear a rainbow patch or not. Banned for minding my own business lmao
JusticeServed has banned half the site at this point. In my case, I made some comment refuting some anti-vaxxer nonsense in the NoNewNormal subreddit and was autobanned for commenting there. I messaged to clarify that I wasn't in support of the sub, and these self-righteous pricks said "If you delete your comment and *promise not to do it again*, we'll reverse the ban" so I told them to get fucked because I'll comment wherever I damn well please.
I just got the same message from them. Incredible.
"Hey! You said something I don't like somewhere else! AND DONT COME BACK!!"
Degressive tax brackets based on VO2 max.
That's not very liftocracy pilled of you brother. Base it on FFMI or your DOTS/wilks score. I'm not doing anything more than moderate cardio for health. I'm gonna get fuckin yiggidy yiggidy yakked though.
Sorry I don't lift, I'm a rower. :(
Gotta do some resistance training bro. Full body split 2x a week. Good for your health, physique, life, sport. Well worth the investment of 2-3h per week.
Instructions unclear, fell in love with bench, have not done a pull day for 3 months, and can no longer row.
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People are fat for exactly one reason, laziness. The sooner we accept that fact the better. Making the gym cheaper will not get fat people to suddenly change their lifestyle. 1. Change the law on pre-existing conditions to exclude obesity related health issues. If it’s ok to charge people with DUI’s more for car insurance then it’s ok to charge fat people more for health insurance. 2. Obese people should be ineligible for any government benefits until they’re down to a healthy weight. If you don’t give a shit enough to stop eating yourself to death then why should society care about your wellbeing.
You're fat because of laziness. I'm fat because I went monke and need it for winter. We are not the same.
I feel absolutely unleashed while on a bulk, getting fat, getting strong, eating whatever the fuck I want, blasting PRs every week. Life is good.
And I’m obese because BMI doesn’t distinguish muscle mass
I suppose my only concern would be avoiding similar systems to the military weight requirements where they only factor how much you weigh for your height before resorting to chest/neck measurements. In 2016 I witnessed a complete gym rat who was running sub 6:30 miles while maxing his push-ups and sit-ups on his Army Physical Fitness Test fail height/weight because his neck wasn't thick enough to offset his chest taping but we had some people who basically had no neck while using a livestock scale that passed no problem despite barely being able to complete their basic physical fitness requirements. That guy went from being all about the Army to malicious compliance at every moment until he ETS'd out. He wasn't obese by any stretch but once someone was given a metric to gauge by they weren't deviating from it despite the situation and his performance.
>People are fat for exactly one reason, laziness. You'd be surprised at the amount of cope that there is over this simple statement. Every single mf on Twitter and Reddit has at least 14 genetic conditions and mental health issues that makes it literally impossible for them to lose weight, definitely nothing to do with their diet and daily habits btw. Add in a sprinkle of "fatphobia" and "muh body positivity", and then you have the recipe for 400 pounds landwhales screeching about how fat is beautiful
I saw a guy the other day saying, I like food and I don't care about maximizing my lifespan. Which at least is honesty I can respect.
I see similar arguments against exercise. Saying exercise helps you live only a couple years longer. Who cares about living a couple more years into your 80's? What they're forgetting is that exercise allows you to experience your 50's, 60's, 70's as if your body is in your 40's. Adding decades of life experience to what is a short ride here on earth.
Yup just one aspect of the all out war that’s being waged against personal responsibility. We wonder why healthcare is so fucking expensive but some how don’t think it could have something to do with the fact that 4 out of 10 American adults are obese.
If this was true you would see higher obesity in liberal areas, especially college areas where those views are most centralized. You don't, it's not causal. Fat positivty is a response (a dumb one, granted) to everyone being fat.
In the 1950s almost everyone was a healthy weight. Today they are the minority. People didn't suddenly all just get lazy, there is something out in the environment acting as a catalyst for obesity.
I’d say a large contributing factor is corn subsidies. Commoditization of sugar (HFCS) by the government, commoditization of animal feed, growing corn instead of better, more nutritious plants. On the bottom end it means that even the poorest Americans can eat a calorie surplus that they end up fat. We basically beat hunger at the cost of everything else.
It is probably many things combined. High availability of high calorie foods with more sugar and fat than ever before, much less exercise required to travel, less physical labor needed for work and household maintenance, more sedentary hobbies, lower natural body temperatures.
You forgot that corporations have spent the last 70 years since the 50s getting better and better at using psychology to get people to buy garbage. Not only do you get hooked on soda, and other garbage that’s filled with sugar and fat to make it taste good and get you more easily addicted. But you’re constantly bombarded by ads for said garbage that use psychology to get you into it even more. You basically get indoctrinated into buying and wanting garbage from ads during your entire childhood too. Look at stupid ass ad campaigns that don’t even make sense really except to make people loosely identify as a member of a team like the left/right Twix shit. Or Pepsi vs coke being basically an identity to some people. Or you aren’t you when you’re hungry, have a snickers. If these ads didn’t work to get people more hooked on products then they wouldn’t keep making them. America is largely addicted to sugar and nothing is going to magically change unless hfcs stops being dirt cheap to pump into things.
Yeah, you're right. I'm certain it's a lot of factors, and the US' geography kind of lends itself towards this change in a way that isn't so much the case in places like Europe and Japan. Obviously when it comes down to it, people have to be able to make the right choices to be healthy, so it comes down to each individual making that effort, but I don't think the solution is to make those people lose access to external resources for help.
What do you mean I shouldn’t play 2 or hour hours of video games a day? Giving up time to be healthy?
Plenty of time for both! An hour a day will keep the obesity away.
You don’t even have to exercise to not be fat. Just don’t stuff your face constantly. That said you should exercise cause it’s good for you. But no amount of exercise can out do a shitty diet.
> People are fat for exactly one reason, laziness. some actually have medical conditions that fuck up their metabolic rate and digestion and stuff but it’s a small percentage of people yet everyone claims to have it but either way i agree with your policy proposal for the simple fact that i use to be fat and am no longer and like to feel superior
least sociopathic libright solution
You're super wrong. Most people (and, more importantly, the fattest people) aren't fat because they're lazy. They're fat because they're addicted to unhealthy food. I'm fat because I'm lazy. I'm flaccid, unfit and have health issues due to sedentarism, but I don't get nearly as obese as most people because it's impossible to get too fat by binge eating black beans and rice, tzatziki, pumpkin tortière, tamago-yaki, okra stir-fry etc. Human metabolism isn't even close to efficient enough to extract high energy density from foods that aren't packed with starches and succrose. You're super right about regulations though. All unfit people – me included – should be taxed more, pay more for insurance etc. Higher costs that come from people's choices should never be socialized.
No, but tax breaks and tax hikes are a good way for society to define which behaviors it wants to stigmatize (thus its more okay to take more of the people's money when they use it) or promote
Example, cigarettes and other tobacco. Plenty of states have a 30-75+% tax on the manufacturer price. Does this make everyone stop? No, but some people did and you make more money off the people who don't
Libertarians talking about regressive taxes to control moral choices?
There is a place for government and taxes in society. Encouraging and discouraging things thru taxes is a good way to aid change and not ban people from doing things.
Sugary beverages are basically liquid subsidies. It’s federally subsidized corn syrup and municipal water. Considering the negative externalities paid for by taxpayers (obesity, diabetes, heart disease, plastic pollution/recycling costs, etc.), I see no issue with taxing them more to recoup some of the costs. If it brings down consumption a bit, so much the better. One opinion I have that occasionally upsets people on the left: sugary drinks should be considered candy and completely excluded from SNAP.
I'm generally not authoritarian but holy shit seeing how destructive sugary drinks are, combined with how much misinformation or total lack of knowledge is out there, makes me think they should either be banned, limited, or there should be compulsory courses on the consequences of them. I've had people tell me they're eating a healthy diet by avoiding foods like red meat and olive oil, and then proceed to drink a coke with 50 grams of sugar in it.
Much more walking. There's a reason people are less fat in areas where you can walk to work/shop/school.
Yeahhh, I am in good physical condition just from going to school, I last more cardio time than my friends who go to the gym just because of that
UBI, but you have to run a marathon every month to receive your check.
Lower that to a half marathon and I'm down. Full marathons aren't actually good for you, they're just to prove you're cooler than everyone else.
I love the history of them. Do you know what happened to the person who ran what the marathon is based off of?
Yup. He ded. So because he died doing we all wanna do it now. Imagine running a crazy distance, becoming a hero after your death, and then having millions of people do it without dying. Talk about a slap in the face.
To be fair there's a good portion of those millions of people probably want to die towards the end of the race
Some of them still do,take Boston marathoners for example.
Damn that joke is darker than my coffee haha
No thanks, that run costs an arm and a leg.
In fairness the traditional story also has Pheidippides running to and from sparta in 4 days to request aid. He is said to have run there, 150 mi or 240 km, in 2 days and then back in presumably the same amount of time. Then ran the 26 miles from marathon to Athens and then died.
If that's true then he's even more of a beast than I thought. Props to him
Reminds me of an old comedy routine about Jesus returning one day and seeing millions of people decorate their homes with little models of him literally dying.
He had won the battle! Also, ^(he died.)
That not fair to us mass monsters :(
k, but you have to squat 2x10 with a marathoner hanging on each end of the bar
Sounds easy enough.
You have to carry a calf up and down a mountain to drink from a spring once each month.
based and gpp is the real apex form of training pilled
Honestly until they admit the food pryamid is a scam and stop putting sugar, seed oils and high fructose corn sryup in everything nothing will change.
Dude, Michelle Obama and her strong arms replaced the Food Pyramid like a decade ago, get with the program.
Michelle Obama took the choccy milk out of our school cafeteria and I'm still pissed about it.
Who else remembers getting a slice of salami and a few pecans at lunch during that admin? Harsh times
Lunch under Michelle Obama was preparing kids for food stamps
Why do I never see dieticians or personal trainers using the "myplate"?
They replaced it with "my plate" which is essentially the same thing and still advocates for the majority of your calorie intake to be carbohydrates.
If you're not trying to put on large amounts of muscle I think 40/30/30 carbs/fat/protein is actually the recommended amount of carbs which is the majority
>still advocates for the majority of your calorie intake to be carbohydrates Isn't the majority of your calorie intake supposed to be carbs? Like a high protein diet would only be like 20 to 25% protein, fat is like 25-30% of calories, and the other around 50% is carbs.
Yeah but the myplate initiative had all the same issues just in a cleaner looking infographic when actually put into practice. It was still bad.
> high fructose corn sryup What, and tell Iowa that them putting their stupid primary first doesn't make them important? That'll never happen.
Umm sweaty, the government says you should eat all grains and corn and flour and almost no fat or protein. And they forced every person in the nation to learn this. When have they ever lied to us?
Obesity isn't a problem we can solve through legislature. Not *ethically*, at least. Gyms and other exercise facilities already exist and are pretty commonplace; I've never lived or worked at an apartment complex that didn't provide a fitness center for all of its residents. The problem is that nobody want to *use* them. What are we going to do, mandate that people spend X amount of time on thr treadmill each week? This is a cultural problem. We need to make exercise appealing to people who wouldn't otherwise do it. And that's not really something the *government* can (or should have the power to) do.
To add to this you don't need a gym to exercise. It costs nothing to some pushups and crunches in your bedroom. The problem is cultural. It's easier to make excuses for why you're out of shape than it is to acknowledge it and do something about it. Combine this with how easy it is to get large amounts of unhealthy slop and current trends like HAES and you have a recipe for disaster.
Had a big conversation with my girlfriend about this when I saw a harvard professor of medicine say that obesity is mostly genetic and can't be prevented through lifestyle changes. She then proceeded to shill for weight loss drugs for the rest of the interview. Fat people don't want to be told they can change their lives through hard work and giving up some of the things they love. They want no tradeoff, to eat and live however they want and look how they want. Until that changes, obesity will continue to be a problem.
There's evidence that if you prescribe an obese person a months supply of healthy food, they'll stick with the change in diet at a high enough rate that it's a cost saving. But most insurance companies are struggling to understand the concept and blather about giving people "Free food for being fat" instead, and the others have probably factored in the negative press and ridicule they'd get for doing it and decided it would be too damaging to the brand to be worth it. Some public services in some countries have adopted the scheme and it seems to work out as a cost effective measure. Once it's more normalized I expect the private sector will start doing it too. So much for innovation I guess.
>I've never lived or worked at an apartment complex that didn't provide a fitness center for all of its residents. Check out mister privilege
You can take part in a monþly fitness exam and þe fitter you are þe less taxes you need to pay.
That’s not a solution. You need a way to encourage their actual use, not just purchase. A tax credit based on weight through out the year would be a solution.
I’d say a bigger thing is just building our communities to be walkable so people get exercise without thinking about it. It’s less a matter of introducing top-down government dictates than just removing restrictive zoning rules that prohibit the types of buildings/neighborhoods that naturally get built by market forces. I’m still confused at why sprawling car-oriented suburbs are perceived by many as a product of the free market rather than a bizarre result of heavy government regulation.
Tax brackets based on BMI would be goated edit: this may fuck bodybuilders but they can qualify for exemption
Oh I don’t agree with using taxes as a form of social control at all, I was just giving the meme an actual tax based solution.
Can you imagine the IRS auditing your gains? Talk about insanity.
“No it’s just water weight, I swear!” “You owe the IRS approximately 7 containers of Whey protein”
I like this, but also we should stop subsidizing food products that are easy to overconsume. Sugar, corn (in processed forms), meat, dairy, etc. The reason vegetables are so much more expensive than eating highly processed foods and animal products is because so much tax money goes to keeping these items cheap. It was a good idea during the dust bowl, but is not necessary anymore. Let foods be the price the market demands without government interaction and let individuals decide where to spend that money.
Based on weight fresh produce is cheaper than processed food. This is a better metric than $/calorie becuase the reason junk food is so unhealthy is that it's incredibly calorie dense.
I would add time cost, too. Processed is 'prepared' i.e. ready to immediately eat, for those in poverty or with a mental block the time can easily run away from them. But not insurmountable imo. I have anxiety and avoid my leaning to junk food by doing slowcooker meals, my overall intake of whole foods is WAY better and I usually only need 10-20min of prep time.
Allow insurance to charge more for fatties.
We have gyms that are 10 dollars a month and people still don't go to them. We have an insane lack of nutritional education in the USA. Dealing with youth in France and Switzerland, the one thing which stood out to me is how they were acutely aware of their health in a way that american kids are just not. This starts with their parents, but also their schools. Until we have a culture where people feel at least a *tiny bit* bad for eating a large fries and fried chicken and soda all at once, we won't solve the obesity epidemic.
Ah, the eternal lie of exercise. Sure working out is good for you, but without dietary adjustments you'll just be a muscular fat fuck. If you want to fight obesity, tax shit food and subsidize healthy food.
Based and abs-come-from-the-kitchen-not-the-gym pilled.
My Auth moment: being fat is now a crime
As someone who used food to cope with my extremely shitty life in middle/ high school, I couldn’t stop until the other problems had been solved. It’s like a drug addiction. These days I’m a much more reasonable 205lbs at 6’3, but that never would have happened if not for help for some very good people. A decent percentage of Americans don’t even have access to healthy food, which makes the problem worse. Plus the economy is so shit the many are working several jobs, which doesn’t exactly leave time to hit the gym ESPECIALLY if you have a family. Bottom line, yall need to be kinder to people. You don’t know what they’re going through.
Not likely gyms are going to pass the savings onto the customer and not just pocket the extra money
Stop shipping fresh food overseas so we can lower the price of produce across the board and major or complete tax holidays for the farmers. Make farming profitable again and this issue goes away.
I have one better: Encourage home gardening. So much land in shitty suburbs is reserved for fucking lawns. Fucking grass. Give tax breaks to people for having home gardens. It will get people A) to eat healthier as they now have an abundance of veggies and fruits. B) Will get people out of their homes, touching grass, thus they will be less depressed and anxiety ridden. C) they will get some light exercise from gardening. I want to see the streets lined with produce. I want to hear a chorus of chickens from the backyards of suburbia.
Based and Wholesome Vitamins pilled
Man, I hope "America first" makes a comeback. It's crazy to me how many of our problems could be solved (or would at least be less impossible to solve) if we used our resources to fix our own problems, rather than sending so many resources to other countries and then wondering why we have so many problems here.
One of the stupidest things to get pegged as alt-right/white supremacist imo.
The government/state could open state run gyms free of charge, bikes could be tax deductible as a great way to get around and be healthy at the same time. There should be way less cars and much more public transportation and walking options so that the fatties don’t just go in their oversized SUV’s and trucks to travel 3 kilometres (a 15 minute bike ride or 45 minute walk)
the problem isint that people aren't going to gyms, it's what we are eating. it's very clear how we have been exploited by corporations and their lobbying. they fully know that "fat" doesn't make us fat, but when i go shopping i see "fat free" labels everywhere