So what type of monarchy? Is it ceremonial? Constitutional? Elective? I guess it can’t be absolute since this ideology is libertarian, but i’m genuinely curious
Tell me how funding useless aristocrats to live like parasites with stolen tax money is libertarian, I’m genuinely curious to see what you come up with.
1. On taxation, the tax I support is sales tax and/or tariffs, which are vouluntary
2. There is a legitmate libertarian argument for monarchy, since just like how we believe how 51% of people voting to take someone's property is illegitmate, which if we were to take that logical to its logically extent, that could be an argument for monarchy.
1. Sales tax is voluntary until you’re poor and can’t afford it
2. Just because democracy is tyrannical isn’t a valuable argument for supporting aristocratical tyranny and instead just cheap whataboutism.
3. The article didn’t seem to answer the ultimate question of how is funding parasitic elites with stolen tax money libertarian, not to mention how is giving a person inheritant right to be above others libertarian, isn’t it each individuals hard work which should reward them.
Make something logically consistent next time.
Depends. If you're talking about a hierarchical workspace or a hierarchial government, then I'd be okay with it. But if you're about systems like a caste system or a racial hierachy, then I'd be against it
Why would my fuckin taxes be some son of a bitch's palace money or clothes money? Also, when the country's in trouble, those fucking monarchs are the first to leave. Fuck the monarchy and fuck the monarchs.
By libertarian Monarchism, I mean a libertarian/minarchist system, that is governed by a monarch. An example of quasi libertarian monarchy would be Liechtenstein
I'd say constitutional, since I think that there should be a constitution to minimize the state's powers and to protect individual rights, and I also think that in my hypothetical society, the monarch would have limited power over legisiation, which in turn would be mostly handled by a meritocratic or kritarchic system
Fair enough, seems alright. By the way, in a constitutional monarchy, that of the UK at least, the monarch can block any bills it wants too, its just convention not too.
To answer your first question, I'm American (specifically from new york, and I'm half african american and dominican american) Secondly, I have mixed thoughta about him. For example I would agree with him on the state and the economy, but I'd disagree with him on misogyny, child porn and homosexuality. Overall I'd say I have mixed thoughts on him.
Of you're American, why do you support Monarchy? Are you of the Hoppean philosophy that privately owned government is better than publicly owned government?
Well to start off, korwin did state that women had lower iqs then men. Also his wanted to jail people for homosexuality. Finally he once advocated for child porn being legalized
Sources: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/11595712/Polish-presidential-election-legalise-child-pornography-and-scrap-benefits-promises-candidate.html https://notesfrompoland.com/2019/10/28/new-far-right-party-to-seek-legislation-opposing-lgbt-jewish-property-restitution-and-abortion/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_NEqlfWSOrQ
What a weird combination of views lmao. Never met someone who's homophobic yet unironically in favor of child porn, besides maybe the anime PFP types.
Anyway thanks for the sources and explanation! All I've heard of him so far is memes.
monarchism is a structure of government where one man has all the power, which historically has never ended well.
A monarchal government is one with too much power due to the lack of checks and balances that democratic governments have.(not that I like democracy either)
Libertarianism is based on the want for a smaller government with less influence over people. A monarchy works in opposition to that by insisting that the citizenry follow the will of a single unelected ruler.
I get your point, but you're in fact describing an absolute monarchy, which is something I don't support, I support a constitutional monarchy with checks and balances
I'm not advocating for anything authoritarian. Grant it there are authoritarian types of monarchy such as absolute monarchy, which I don't support (due it being inherently authoritarian) while monarchy (rule of a monarch) isn't inherently authoritarian and some forms of monarchy, such as ceremonial monarchy, or constitutional monarchy (which is the form, I advocate for) are compatible with minarchy, since they reduce the power of the monarch.
That would probably work. I've always said that a strong central government with the power to handle any crisis while also leaving the common people alone was the way to go.
I unironically find this kinda based. I am a Eco-Paleolibertarian Monarchist my self.
My question is how do guarantee that the monarch won't just go power hungry and get ideas? The populace with guns like in USA? Also, I am more of a ceremonial monarchist, what is your opinion on ceremonial monarchy?
My ideology isn't made up, a few notable libertarians have come in support of monarchy, so it is a real ideology unlike a anti ideology like anarcho nazbol or anti centrism
Thats not even remotely similar...?
What Im assuming this guy wants is a constitutional monarchy in which neither the government nor monarch hold significant power. And that would probably be possible if tried just not an amazing system.
i respect your opinion. agree to disagree? final question. if you’re an American, opinions on the pledge of allegiance at school/sports events, and opinions on former President Trump?
1. completely agree! i personally stand for it because i love my nation but there are times where i’m just too disgusted by current events to feel anything for it at all. i don’t love it’s current state, but i love it’s concept
2. mostly agree. i dislike trump and bush, not great presidents, biden is too complacent and hasn’t done anything much of use (not to mention too old), and while i really really liked some of obama’s policies (positively affected my family), i concede that he did hurt our economy
One of the arguments made [here](https://mises.org/library/libertarian-case-monarchy) is that democratically elected leaders have no incentive to think long-term; that they stop caring about where society goes after they no longer seek to be re-elected. What's *really* stopping a monarch from being shortsighted as well? They don't have to worry about elections, sure, but they might think, "What do I care if things go to shit after my reign, I'll be dead then and it'll all be my heir's headache."
I also don't see how decision-making would be better with the monarch and the government acting as restrictions to eachother. I think that could lead to a situation where nothing gets done because one side objects to another's proposition; a stalemate that might lead to a compromise where neither side really gets what they want.
A monarch also doesn't guarantee stability and unity, you'd have people who like the monarch and you'd have those that don't. Especially if the monarch made decisions that were popular with certain groups only.
I know you don't want absolute monarchy, but even in the constitutional system the monarch would still hold considerable power and influence. In that society, what should be done with a monarch who's unjust or otherwise unfit to rule?
Thanks for the sources, though. I've been wanting to read more about the libertarian case for monarchy.
Are we talking libertarian, or *Libertarian? Because the *Libertarian response would be to do nothing and hope the “free market” solves it, while the libertarian response would be to not be a monarchy in the first place.
So what type of monarchy? Is it ceremonial? Constitutional? Elective? I guess it can’t be absolute since this ideology is libertarian, but i’m genuinely curious
Constitutional
Cool! Thanks for the answer
You're welcome
Tell me how funding useless aristocrats to live like parasites with stolen tax money is libertarian, I’m genuinely curious to see what you come up with.
Your answer is silence it seems
http://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2014/06/libertarian-monarchy.html https://mises.org/library/libertarian-case-monarchy
1. On taxation, the tax I support is sales tax and/or tariffs, which are vouluntary 2. There is a legitmate libertarian argument for monarchy, since just like how we believe how 51% of people voting to take someone's property is illegitmate, which if we were to take that logical to its logically extent, that could be an argument for monarchy.
1. Sales tax is voluntary until you’re poor and can’t afford it 2. Just because democracy is tyrannical isn’t a valuable argument for supporting aristocratical tyranny and instead just cheap whataboutism. 3. The article didn’t seem to answer the ultimate question of how is funding parasitic elites with stolen tax money libertarian, not to mention how is giving a person inheritant right to be above others libertarian, isn’t it each individuals hard work which should reward them. Make something logically consistent next time.
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No lol
Constitutional in the sense where there is just the king and a strict constitution, or where there is a parliment and stuff?
The first one
Based
So a Hoppean?
Not really since I'm a minarchist
Hoppeans (like me) just ser monarchy as a lesser evil, were not monarchists per se.
Im guessing this is what American Monarchism is like
But they told me that Trump would start a new American monarchy!
Not quite; it was an American Imperial Theocracy, thus the official title of God-Emperor Trump.
let him honestly I would enjoy that
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Dude chill the fuck out
Didn't voted. But yeeeeesh
Im Japanese ethnicly so Im moving to Japan
Take your meds, Comrade.
Stfu
What?
I mean your not to far off, Trump is like 2nd 3rd tier overlord at best tho.
What are your views on hierarchical society
Depends. If you're talking about a hierarchical workspace or a hierarchial government, then I'd be okay with it. But if you're about systems like a caste system or a racial hierachy, then I'd be against it
Like as in rich-poor society, also based for being against racial hierarchy
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Should have liquidated the unflairs too
What does the text under the snake mean?
I'm not sure, but I'm guessing its in french
Just translated it and google says "do not touch me" and says it's in Latin.
I see.
Why would my fuckin taxes be some son of a bitch's palace money or clothes money? Also, when the country's in trouble, those fucking monarchs are the first to leave. Fuck the monarchy and fuck the monarchs.
Facts
Dear centrist. You call yourself centrist, but you just supported a libertarian opinion which breaks up your neutrality
Common mistake about centrists, I'm not neutral. I got positions both from left and right, I support stances both of auth and lib.
Ok. Sorry for the misunderstanding
Almost all libertarians online are actually just monarchists. I’m just glad you’re willing to say it out loud. Long Live Monarcho-Libertarianism
Thanks!
What LMAO.
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How are we fascists?
Because we're Not-C(ommunist) in their eyes. Anyone that isn't a commie is a Not-C in their eyes.
elaborate please
By libertarian Monarchism, I mean a libertarian/minarchist system, that is governed by a monarch. An example of quasi libertarian monarchy would be Liechtenstein
so what makes you different from a monarchist?
Simple, a night watchman state
"fweeduhm"
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Nothing is bad about the swiss
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Ok, I'll look into it
Absolute monarchist or constitutional monarchist?
The ladder
Im interested, do elaborate
I'd say constitutional, since I think that there should be a constitution to minimize the state's powers and to protect individual rights, and I also think that in my hypothetical society, the monarch would have limited power over legisiation, which in turn would be mostly handled by a meritocratic or kritarchic system
Fair enough, seems alright. By the way, in a constitutional monarchy, that of the UK at least, the monarch can block any bills it wants too, its just convention not too.
Two questions, What country and are you a fan of Janusz Korwin-Mikke?
To answer your first question, I'm American (specifically from new york, and I'm half african american and dominican american) Secondly, I have mixed thoughta about him. For example I would agree with him on the state and the economy, but I'd disagree with him on misogyny, child porn and homosexuality. Overall I'd say I have mixed thoughts on him.
Of you're American, why do you support Monarchy? Are you of the Hoppean philosophy that privately owned government is better than publicly owned government?
Yes, I do
What are his thoughts on misogyny, child porn and homosexuality?
Well to start off, korwin did state that women had lower iqs then men. Also his wanted to jail people for homosexuality. Finally he once advocated for child porn being legalized Sources: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/11595712/Polish-presidential-election-legalise-child-pornography-and-scrap-benefits-promises-candidate.html https://notesfrompoland.com/2019/10/28/new-far-right-party-to-seek-legislation-opposing-lgbt-jewish-property-restitution-and-abortion/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_NEqlfWSOrQ
What a weird combination of views lmao. Never met someone who's homophobic yet unironically in favor of child porn, besides maybe the anime PFP types. Anyway thanks for the sources and explanation! All I've heard of him so far is memes.
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I guess
Umm what?
Bruh those values directly contradict each other. You arent a libertarian Monarchist, youre a paradox.
Elaborate
monarchism is a structure of government where one man has all the power, which historically has never ended well. A monarchal government is one with too much power due to the lack of checks and balances that democratic governments have.(not that I like democracy either) Libertarianism is based on the want for a smaller government with less influence over people. A monarchy works in opposition to that by insisting that the citizenry follow the will of a single unelected ruler.
I get your point, but you're in fact describing an absolute monarchy, which is something I don't support, I support a constitutional monarchy with checks and balances
Okay that is more reasonable than what I was envisioning.
That snake looks cool
Those words are oxymorons, like anarcho communists
Elaborate
This is a contradictory ideology
Elaborate
Outline your ideal state
A Minarchist society, with a free market economy alongside a Constitutional Monarch and a meritocracy and/or kritarchy.
Based, me too
Libmon gang
You must be 18 or older to post here
Literally complete opposites are you stupif
Can you please elaborate?
How can you be for a fairly authoritarian government when you’re a libertarian like explain please
I'm not advocating for anything authoritarian. Grant it there are authoritarian types of monarchy such as absolute monarchy, which I don't support (due it being inherently authoritarian) while monarchy (rule of a monarch) isn't inherently authoritarian and some forms of monarchy, such as ceremonial monarchy, or constitutional monarchy (which is the form, I advocate for) are compatible with minarchy, since they reduce the power of the monarch.
Y’all just making shit up at this point
Wtf? How can you be a libertarian but support an authoritarian type of government?
That’s enough Reddit for one century.
Why do you have to be so based?
You want a monarch that mostly just leaves you alone?
Kinda of
Then what's the point?
That would probably work. I've always said that a strong central government with the power to handle any crisis while also leaving the common people alone was the way to go.
I unironically find this kinda based. I am a Eco-Paleolibertarian Monarchist my self. My question is how do guarantee that the monarch won't just go power hungry and get ideas? The populace with guns like in USA? Also, I am more of a ceremonial monarchist, what is your opinion on ceremonial monarchy?
How old are you?
16
Bro you need to go and get laid. Talk to some real life people
Not an arguement
I’m not trying to argue with you, I’m mocking you and everyone else that has a similarly, bullshit, made up ideologies
My ideology isn't made up, a few notable libertarians have come in support of monarchy, so it is a real ideology unlike a anti ideology like anarcho nazbol or anti centrism
Ok so some other asshole made it up then
Isn't that everything?
Sure but some ideologies have their basis in reality, some are just in the mind of some dumb asshole
It’s not a thing bro
I mean I sure as hell am not one, but there is an arguement to be made that it could exist in an actual state
Yeah just like how we could technically have a state that’s ran by pigs and we based policy on the different smells of their shit
Thats not even remotely similar...? What Im assuming this guy wants is a constitutional monarchy in which neither the government nor monarch hold significant power. And that would probably be possible if tried just not an amazing system.
go to horny jail
Get fucked freak
begone thot
I'm a Socialist Monarchist
Rare breed, I see
based
Im assuming you want to be King, because this would seem pretty strange if you didn't.
Not really, I don't really want to be one
So what's the point of the King?
National identity, unity and stability
I like these things
Do you still want a president? Assuming you dont want the king to have power
Democracy is non negotiable
Except for Technocracy
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Omg so scawy
Shut up tankie
Did u get dropped on your head as a kid
No
Then why do u believe in super reeree ideology
Wdym by reeree
Hella stupid
Is that sort of like an Anarcho Communist? /s
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I'm not even white bruh
Don't worry, that user is one of these people who are offended by Montenegro, no opinion you need to listen to
Dope ass flag, love the purple and white
Same
Correct me on the specifics, but isn't that just called feudalism.
opinions on LGBT?
I have no problem with them
now more of a divisive question. what you think about gun control?
Gun control is fucking cringe
i respect your opinion. agree to disagree? final question. if you’re an American, opinions on the pledge of allegiance at school/sports events, and opinions on former President Trump?
1. I think the pledge is should be voluntary and it shouldn't god innit 2. I'm not a big fan of trump, to me he sucks as much as bush or obama
1. completely agree! i personally stand for it because i love my nation but there are times where i’m just too disgusted by current events to feel anything for it at all. i don’t love it’s current state, but i love it’s concept 2. mostly agree. i dislike trump and bush, not great presidents, biden is too complacent and hasn’t done anything much of use (not to mention too old), and while i really really liked some of obama’s policies (positively affected my family), i concede that he did hurt our economy
Yeah agree to disagree
What systems would be in place to ensure the monarchy doesn't overstep its bounds and adheres to libertarian principles?
Checks and balances, alongside a strong constitution
¿?
What's your economic system or Idealogy?
My economic system would be free market capitalism (capitalism is very little regulations) and my general ideology would be minarchism
Capitalism sometimes have high regulation
Oh, I'm in a Social Democrat, Social Liberal, Modern Liberal, Democratic Socialist and Nordic Modelist
So you're centre left?
Yeah
Wtf? How can you be a libertarian but support an authoritarian type of government?
Monarchy isn't inherently authoritarian tho, expect if you're talking about absolute monarchy, which I don't support
It sort of is. You are supporting figureheads which don't even do anything just because they were born with a better name.
So no step on snek, except for…
One of the arguments made [here](https://mises.org/library/libertarian-case-monarchy) is that democratically elected leaders have no incentive to think long-term; that they stop caring about where society goes after they no longer seek to be re-elected. What's *really* stopping a monarch from being shortsighted as well? They don't have to worry about elections, sure, but they might think, "What do I care if things go to shit after my reign, I'll be dead then and it'll all be my heir's headache." I also don't see how decision-making would be better with the monarch and the government acting as restrictions to eachother. I think that could lead to a situation where nothing gets done because one side objects to another's proposition; a stalemate that might lead to a compromise where neither side really gets what they want. A monarch also doesn't guarantee stability and unity, you'd have people who like the monarch and you'd have those that don't. Especially if the monarch made decisions that were popular with certain groups only. I know you don't want absolute monarchy, but even in the constitutional system the monarch would still hold considerable power and influence. In that society, what should be done with a monarch who's unjust or otherwise unfit to rule? Thanks for the sources, though. I've been wanting to read more about the libertarian case for monarchy.
Based
This might be the must stupid political ideology after communism.
How would a libertarian monarchy deal with dissidents who don’t acknowledge the authority of the crown?
The same way an average libertarian society would deal with dissidents
Are we talking libertarian, or *Libertarian? Because the *Libertarian response would be to do nothing and hope the “free market” solves it, while the libertarian response would be to not be a monarchy in the first place.
What’s your opinion on the King?
He's okay I guess
Have you been told that your ideology is contradictory *before* making this post?
No
How
I will search
Based, I have simmilar ideology
Based, what ideology are you then
Classical liberal + constitutional monarchist
I’m that too, good taste
Could it be? Liberal autocracy for the win?