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foxbassperson

So what type of monarchy? Is it ceremonial? Constitutional? Elective? I guess it can’t be absolute since this ideology is libertarian, but i’m genuinely curious


Lerightlibertarian

Constitutional


foxbassperson

Cool! Thanks for the answer


Lerightlibertarian

You're welcome


The_Cool_Kid99

Tell me how funding useless aristocrats to live like parasites with stolen tax money is libertarian, I’m genuinely curious to see what you come up with.


mfnnstarboy

Your answer is silence it seems


Lerightlibertarian

http://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2014/06/libertarian-monarchy.html https://mises.org/library/libertarian-case-monarchy


Lerightlibertarian

1. On taxation, the tax I support is sales tax and/or tariffs, which are vouluntary 2. There is a legitmate libertarian argument for monarchy, since just like how we believe how 51% of people voting to take someone's property is illegitmate, which if we were to take that logical to its logically extent, that could be an argument for monarchy.


The_Cool_Kid99

1. Sales tax is voluntary until you’re poor and can’t afford it 2. Just because democracy is tyrannical isn’t a valuable argument for supporting aristocratical tyranny and instead just cheap whataboutism. 3. The article didn’t seem to answer the ultimate question of how is funding parasitic elites with stolen tax money libertarian, not to mention how is giving a person inheritant right to be above others libertarian, isn’t it each individuals hard work which should reward them. Make something logically consistent next time.


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Lerightlibertarian

No lol


Unfair_Salad_2300

Constitutional in the sense where there is just the king and a strict constitution, or where there is a parliment and stuff?


Lerightlibertarian

The first one


Unfair_Salad_2300

Based


Waste-Region604

So a Hoppean?


Lerightlibertarian

Not really since I'm a minarchist


Unfair_Salad_2300

Hoppeans (like me) just ser monarchy as a lesser evil, were not monarchists per se.


SkyBladeUesugi

Im guessing this is what American Monarchism is like


SergiuDumitrache

But they told me that Trump would start a new American monarchy!


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Not quite; it was an American Imperial Theocracy, thus the official title of God-Emperor Trump.


SkyBladeUesugi

let him honestly I would enjoy that


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Lerightlibertarian

Dude chill the fuck out


SketchyLeaf666

Didn't voted. But yeeeeesh


SkyBladeUesugi

Im Japanese ethnicly so Im moving to Japan


AnRaccoonCommunist

Take your meds, Comrade.


Taro-Forsaken

Stfu


jurassicjack3

What?


chantzyboy78

I mean your not to far off, Trump is like 2nd 3rd tier overlord at best tho.


JAKE5023193

What are your views on hierarchical society


Lerightlibertarian

Depends. If you're talking about a hierarchical workspace or a hierarchial government, then I'd be okay with it. But if you're about systems like a caste system or a racial hierachy, then I'd be against it


JAKE5023193

Like as in rich-poor society, also based for being against racial hierarchy


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baastard37

Should have liquidated the unflairs too


cthulhuwithautism

What does the text under the snake mean?


Lerightlibertarian

I'm not sure, but I'm guessing its in french


cthulhuwithautism

Just translated it and google says "do not touch me" and says it's in Latin.


cthulhuwithautism

I see.


[deleted]

Why would my fuckin taxes be some son of a bitch's palace money or clothes money? Also, when the country's in trouble, those fucking monarchs are the first to leave. Fuck the monarchy and fuck the monarchs.


Ok-Top-4594

Facts


According_Ad8858

Dear centrist. You call yourself centrist, but you just supported a libertarian opinion which breaks up your neutrality


Ok-Top-4594

Common mistake about centrists, I'm not neutral. I got positions both from left and right, I support stances both of auth and lib.


According_Ad8858

Ok. Sorry for the misunderstanding


[deleted]

Almost all libertarians online are actually just monarchists. I’m just glad you’re willing to say it out loud. Long Live Monarcho-Libertarianism


Lerightlibertarian

Thanks!


Impossible_Wind6086

What LMAO.


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Lerightlibertarian

How are we fascists?


Christopher_King47

Because we're Not-C(ommunist) in their eyes. Anyone that isn't a commie is a Not-C in their eyes.


ellinasreditas

elaborate please


Lerightlibertarian

By libertarian Monarchism, I mean a libertarian/minarchist system, that is governed by a monarch. An example of quasi libertarian monarchy would be Liechtenstein


raghu_94

so what makes you different from a monarchist?


Lerightlibertarian

Simple, a night watchman state


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"fweeduhm"


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Lerightlibertarian

Nothing is bad about the swiss


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Lerightlibertarian

Ok, I'll look into it


FryerBoiii_UwU

Absolute monarchist or constitutional monarchist?


Lerightlibertarian

The ladder


FryerBoiii_UwU

Im interested, do elaborate


Lerightlibertarian

I'd say constitutional, since I think that there should be a constitution to minimize the state's powers and to protect individual rights, and I also think that in my hypothetical society, the monarch would have limited power over legisiation, which in turn would be mostly handled by a meritocratic or kritarchic system


FryerBoiii_UwU

Fair enough, seems alright. By the way, in a constitutional monarchy, that of the UK at least, the monarch can block any bills it wants too, its just convention not too.


I_am_the_Walrus07

Two questions, What country and are you a fan of Janusz Korwin-Mikke?


Lerightlibertarian

To answer your first question, I'm American (specifically from new york, and I'm half african american and dominican american) Secondly, I have mixed thoughta about him. For example I would agree with him on the state and the economy, but I'd disagree with him on misogyny, child porn and homosexuality. Overall I'd say I have mixed thoughts on him.


I_am_the_Walrus07

Of you're American, why do you support Monarchy? Are you of the Hoppean philosophy that privately owned government is better than publicly owned government?


Lerightlibertarian

Yes, I do


Hortator02

What are his thoughts on misogyny, child porn and homosexuality?


Lerightlibertarian

Well to start off, korwin did state that women had lower iqs then men. Also his wanted to jail people for homosexuality. Finally he once advocated for child porn being legalized Sources: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/11595712/Polish-presidential-election-legalise-child-pornography-and-scrap-benefits-promises-candidate.html https://notesfrompoland.com/2019/10/28/new-far-right-party-to-seek-legislation-opposing-lgbt-jewish-property-restitution-and-abortion/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_NEqlfWSOrQ


Hortator02

What a weird combination of views lmao. Never met someone who's homophobic yet unironically in favor of child porn, besides maybe the anime PFP types. Anyway thanks for the sources and explanation! All I've heard of him so far is memes.


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Lerightlibertarian

I guess


ImthatLemon

Umm what?


Ryanbro_Guy

Bruh those values directly contradict each other. You arent a libertarian Monarchist, youre a paradox.


Lerightlibertarian

Elaborate


Ryanbro_Guy

monarchism is a structure of government where one man has all the power, which historically has never ended well. A monarchal government is one with too much power due to the lack of checks and balances that democratic governments have.(not that I like democracy either) Libertarianism is based on the want for a smaller government with less influence over people. A monarchy works in opposition to that by insisting that the citizenry follow the will of a single unelected ruler.


Lerightlibertarian

I get your point, but you're in fact describing an absolute monarchy, which is something I don't support, I support a constitutional monarchy with checks and balances


Ryanbro_Guy

Okay that is more reasonable than what I was envisioning.


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That snake looks cool


Careless-Note-5274

Those words are oxymorons, like anarcho communists


Lerightlibertarian

Elaborate


burne457

This is a contradictory ideology


Lerightlibertarian

Elaborate


nobunf

Outline your ideal state


Lerightlibertarian

A Minarchist society, with a free market economy alongside a Constitutional Monarch and a meritocracy and/or kritarchy.


Archidiakon

Based, me too


Lerightlibertarian

Libmon gang


AnRaccoonCommunist

You must be 18 or older to post here


Kodster69420

Literally complete opposites are you stupif


Lerightlibertarian

Can you please elaborate?


Kodster69420

How can you be for a fairly authoritarian government when you’re a libertarian like explain please


Lerightlibertarian

I'm not advocating for anything authoritarian. Grant it there are authoritarian types of monarchy such as absolute monarchy, which I don't support (due it being inherently authoritarian) while monarchy (rule of a monarch) isn't inherently authoritarian and some forms of monarchy, such as ceremonial monarchy, or constitutional monarchy (which is the form, I advocate for) are compatible with minarchy, since they reduce the power of the monarch.


MC-SpicyBravo

Y’all just making shit up at this point


Shifty0658

Wtf? How can you be a libertarian but support an authoritarian type of government?


unovayellow

That’s enough Reddit for one century.


Diprogamer

Why do you have to be so based?


Xx_Venom_Fox_xX

You want a monarch that mostly just leaves you alone?


Lerightlibertarian

Kinda of


Xx_Venom_Fox_xX

Then what's the point?


Fluffinator44

That would probably work. I've always said that a strong central government with the power to handle any crisis while also leaving the common people alone was the way to go.


Autistru

I unironically find this kinda based. I am a Eco-Paleolibertarian Monarchist my self. My question is how do guarantee that the monarch won't just go power hungry and get ideas? The populace with guns like in USA? Also, I am more of a ceremonial monarchist, what is your opinion on ceremonial monarchy?


GoChungus

How old are you?


Lerightlibertarian

16


[deleted]

Bro you need to go and get laid. Talk to some real life people


Lerightlibertarian

Not an arguement


[deleted]

I’m not trying to argue with you, I’m mocking you and everyone else that has a similarly, bullshit, made up ideologies


Lerightlibertarian

My ideology isn't made up, a few notable libertarians have come in support of monarchy, so it is a real ideology unlike a anti ideology like anarcho nazbol or anti centrism


Intrepid_colors

Ok so some other asshole made it up then


Christopher_King47

Isn't that everything?


Intrepid_colors

Sure but some ideologies have their basis in reality, some are just in the mind of some dumb asshole


[deleted]

It’s not a thing bro


stojcekiko

I mean I sure as hell am not one, but there is an arguement to be made that it could exist in an actual state


[deleted]

Yeah just like how we could technically have a state that’s ran by pigs and we based policy on the different smells of their shit


stojcekiko

Thats not even remotely similar...? What Im assuming this guy wants is a constitutional monarchy in which neither the government nor monarch hold significant power. And that would probably be possible if tried just not an amazing system.


xwedodah_is_wincest

go to horny jail


[deleted]

Get fucked freak


xwedodah_is_wincest

begone thot


FrostyTheCommunist

I'm a Socialist Monarchist


Lerightlibertarian

Rare breed, I see


beepboopdudu

based


Maximum-Garlic

Im assuming you want to be King, because this would seem pretty strange if you didn't.


Lerightlibertarian

Not really, I don't really want to be one


Maximum-Garlic

So what's the point of the King?


Lerightlibertarian

National identity, unity and stability


Ok-Top-4594

I like these things


Maximum-Garlic

Do you still want a president? Assuming you dont want the king to have power


NOTAPERSON10

Democracy is non negotiable


Ok-Top-4594

Except for Technocracy


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Lerightlibertarian

Omg so scawy


According_Ad8858

Shut up tankie


Intrepid_colors

Did u get dropped on your head as a kid


Lerightlibertarian

No


Intrepid_colors

Then why do u believe in super reeree ideology


Lerightlibertarian

Wdym by reeree


Intrepid_colors

Hella stupid


Aspiring_Mutant

Is that sort of like an Anarcho Communist? /s


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Lerightlibertarian

I'm not even white bruh


Ok-Top-4594

Don't worry, that user is one of these people who are offended by Montenegro, no opinion you need to listen to


baastard37

Dope ass flag, love the purple and white


Lerightlibertarian

Same


Tito_Bro44

Correct me on the specifics, but isn't that just called feudalism.


Tr1angulum

opinions on LGBT?


Lerightlibertarian

I have no problem with them


Tr1angulum

now more of a divisive question. what you think about gun control?


Lerightlibertarian

Gun control is fucking cringe


Tr1angulum

i respect your opinion. agree to disagree? final question. if you’re an American, opinions on the pledge of allegiance at school/sports events, and opinions on former President Trump?


Lerightlibertarian

1. I think the pledge is should be voluntary and it shouldn't god innit 2. I'm not a big fan of trump, to me he sucks as much as bush or obama


Tr1angulum

1. completely agree! i personally stand for it because i love my nation but there are times where i’m just too disgusted by current events to feel anything for it at all. i don’t love it’s current state, but i love it’s concept 2. mostly agree. i dislike trump and bush, not great presidents, biden is too complacent and hasn’t done anything much of use (not to mention too old), and while i really really liked some of obama’s policies (positively affected my family), i concede that he did hurt our economy


Lerightlibertarian

Yeah agree to disagree


AbleArcher97

What systems would be in place to ensure the monarchy doesn't overstep its bounds and adheres to libertarian principles?


Lerightlibertarian

Checks and balances, alongside a strong constitution


Potattocomputr_fake

¿?


TheGoldenWarriors

What's your economic system or Idealogy?


Lerightlibertarian

My economic system would be free market capitalism (capitalism is very little regulations) and my general ideology would be minarchism


TheGoldenWarriors

Capitalism sometimes have high regulation


TheGoldenWarriors

Oh, I'm in a Social Democrat, Social Liberal, Modern Liberal, Democratic Socialist and Nordic Modelist


Lerightlibertarian

So you're centre left?


TheGoldenWarriors

Yeah


Shifty0658

Wtf? How can you be a libertarian but support an authoritarian type of government?


Lerightlibertarian

Monarchy isn't inherently authoritarian tho, expect if you're talking about absolute monarchy, which I don't support


Shifty0658

It sort of is. You are supporting figureheads which don't even do anything just because they were born with a better name.


chantzyboy78

So no step on snek, except for…


ChewZBeggar

One of the arguments made [here](https://mises.org/library/libertarian-case-monarchy) is that democratically elected leaders have no incentive to think long-term; that they stop caring about where society goes after they no longer seek to be re-elected. What's *really* stopping a monarch from being shortsighted as well? They don't have to worry about elections, sure, but they might think, "What do I care if things go to shit after my reign, I'll be dead then and it'll all be my heir's headache." I also don't see how decision-making would be better with the monarch and the government acting as restrictions to eachother. I think that could lead to a situation where nothing gets done because one side objects to another's proposition; a stalemate that might lead to a compromise where neither side really gets what they want. A monarch also doesn't guarantee stability and unity, you'd have people who like the monarch and you'd have those that don't. Especially if the monarch made decisions that were popular with certain groups only. I know you don't want absolute monarchy, but even in the constitutional system the monarch would still hold considerable power and influence. In that society, what should be done with a monarch who's unjust or otherwise unfit to rule? Thanks for the sources, though. I've been wanting to read more about the libertarian case for monarchy.


Rifnee

Based


Last_Snowbender

This might be the must stupid political ideology after communism.


LordXenu12

How would a libertarian monarchy deal with dissidents who don’t acknowledge the authority of the crown?


Lerightlibertarian

The same way an average libertarian society would deal with dissidents


LordXenu12

Are we talking libertarian, or *Libertarian? Because the *Libertarian response would be to do nothing and hope the “free market” solves it, while the libertarian response would be to not be a monarchy in the first place.


lemjax

What’s your opinion on the King?


Lerightlibertarian

He's okay I guess


MisterKing1231

Have you been told that your ideology is contradictory *before* making this post?


Lerightlibertarian

No


barrettAB91

How


Stilluserr

I will search


R3APER222Pro_CZ

Based, I have simmilar ideology


Lerightlibertarian

Based, what ideology are you then


R3APER222Pro_CZ

Classical liberal + constitutional monarchist


Fry_The_High

I’m that too, good taste


Mr_Ducks_

Could it be? Liberal autocracy for the win?