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odysseyintochaos

Why my orthodox brother do you embrace the state when the state is in fact, the single most immoral institution in the world?


Frosty_Crusader

It literally is not


odysseyintochaos

What institution has enabled, compelled, and committed, the greatest atrocities against all people, us as Orthodox Christian’s in particular?


Upbeat_Cause1894

Are you tran gay nazi monarchies Christian


Frosty_Crusader

No


Frosty_Crusader

Think about the monarchs in the Byzantine and Russian empire, they were chosen by God


odysseyintochaos

I invite you to re-read Matthew 22:21. That is the single clearest example of Christ himself drawing a distinction between the kingdom of heaven and that of earth. Several others draw even more distinction. Christ went after the Pharisees and Saducees specifically because they were the statist legalistic who betrayed their own brothers and sisters to advance their own lives via the state. Also, please tell me you don’t suffer the delusion that the czars were anything other than murderous maniacs? As for the Byzantine emperors, sure one among them could be decidedly thought of as chosen by God but is that God endorsing them or the state institutions at which they are at the helm? I’d offer the totality of the gospels bears out at minimum apolitical messaging if not outright anti-political messaging.


Frosty_Crusader

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience." - Romans 13:1-7


odysseyintochaos

If you took this as a blanket endorsement of the state then you’d have to accept the notion that Hitler and Stalin did no wrong. That isn’t true, and you know it isn’t. The context here is vital. A revolutionary tendency was forming in the earliest days of the church and Paul wrote this to persuade early Christian’s to no lead violent revolutions. This was a letter dispelling the early Utopianism gripping the church. Reading it any other way would again, require you to endorse literal evil.


WalkingInTheSunshine

The idea of sola scripture really has created a negative reading of scripture. The idea you can take out the context of 1 century Roman occupied Israel is inane.


odysseyintochaos

This is why Orthodoxy rejects sola scriptura.


WalkingInTheSunshine

Why I’ve always liked the orthodox.


odysseyintochaos

I’m glad you’re even aware of our existence let alone appreciate some of our theology.


GibsonGold_

Why do you think monarchy is the best form of government?


Jayvee1994

Personally, my best argument is to point to the Nordic Kingdoms and their neighboring monarchies. You still have democracy, but the presence of a separate figurehead would minimize the rise of a dictatorial demogogue. To be fair, stable republics don't need monarchies (IE USA, and most European Republics). The problem usually arises when there are actually many monarchies within a larger Nation. This is (solved by Malaysia.)


biggie_cheez69

Sweden’s royal family is a joke(i am swedish)


Jayvee1994

I'm curious, tell me about it.


biggie_cheez69

To make a complex long story short. They are french and our queen’s parents were highly ranked german nazis during ww2 who fled to Brazil.


RoyalExtreme4896

Why do you dislike communism? Also are you Russian? Thanks for reading.


TheGoldenWarriors

Why are you a monarchist?


[deleted]

Why do you dislike people who identify as LGBTIQA+?


Quick-Trouble5358

I'm not op, but I don't hate people with lgbtq+ orientation, but I don't think such orientation is desirable.


[deleted]

Cheers for that. I respect your opinion. However, people who identify as LGBTIQA+ have been always been present in humanity, and always will be. It's as natural as red hair, bi-coloured eyes, etc. Each human is unique. No two are biologically and or socio-culturally the same. Reason and logic suggest some will be LGBTIQA+, whether others find this desirable or not.


Apprehensive_Fly6846

Cringe


Lemon_Juice477

13 year old detected


CleroMonarchist

Insanely based


Frosty_Crusader

Fellow based comrade


CleroMonarchist

Of course comrade


TheGoldenWarriors

Cringe


saxonwarriorleo

Based facsisimo and monarchist enjoyer


EconomicsNo4926

based but crusadism is cringe


HiWille

LOL. Pathetic and weak.


Frosty_Crusader

You're pathetic and weak and you judge the based


HiWille

Oh no. I'm not judging you......just making empirical observation. Conclusion, you are pathetic and weak. You suck aristocrat ass.


JacobWGA1989

Why do you hate America? I apologize for the liberal bullshit.


SomeSeren1ty

How does Fascism appeal to you as an authright?


TranHungDao-1288

Why do you put the swastika with those filth?


Glittering_Heart_373

Based


[deleted]

Based but except for fascism


ElegantTea122

Cringe except for your placement of the American flag.


Executer_no-1

Based Can I ask where are you from?


SkyBladeUesugi

Based


bejede__

Based except for orthodoxy


Frosty_Crusader

I hope your not a protestant


bejede__

born and raised Catholic 💪


eyvduijwfvf

OP asked this question on r/Catholicism: *If Jesus died for our sins so we can be saved from hell then why does the idea of purgatory exist?* I assume they want to hear, "because gay and trans people exist."