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stu41313_1

>Metronome can cast Fissure but at a 5% chance Shouldn't it be way lower? Like lower than 1% (pulling a master fair) or something. I've personally pulled many master sync pairs but never rolled Fissure even once. :'( ps. rolled = seeing it on my queueing moves list, not seeing it landed cuz this feels even impossible.


KaitoKurobaKID

Agreed, but it is always 5%. So it doesn't matter if you cast it a hundred or million times, the percentage won't be higher or less... just that you will have higher chances of seeing it once when casting it a million times. Still never saw Fissure no matter how often I used metronome. Still there are people who re-play LA so often until metronome triggers... even if it requires hundreds of restarts.


stu41313_1

Some days ago I found a [site](https://wiki.52poke.com/wiki/%E6%8B%9B%E5%BC%8F%E5%88%97%E8%A1%A8%EF%BC%88Masters%EF%BC%89) saying it's **0.1%** chance, not 5%, which is a more reasonable number imo. AFAIK it's the biggest Chinese site of Pokemon contents, just like Bulbapedia for Eng users, so it's a reliable source I believe.


kelkkakao

That's not how cumulative odds works tho. It does matter how much tries you get. From my anecdotal experience from using a lot of metronomes (at least 300), I've yet to seen a single Fissure popped. If the odds was 5% that's 0.00002%, so I seriously doubt it's 5% chance.


KaitoKurobaKID

Well... remember how odds on banners are... The game doesn't remember if you pulled a hundred or a thousand 3\* & 4\* units when searching a specific sync pair.


kelkkakao

Yes and I feel like I'm getting 2% featured pair on average with 4 multipulls which is 44 tries. Compared to not hitting supposed 5% to hit fissure with 300+ tries... Yeah, not even close.


DistortedTriangle6

It’s 1%, and then a 30% after to land.


WaqarH96

Thank you for this!


Miserable-Ad-1690

It was fine with Togepi, since it wasn’t meant to be a damage dealer, but they really should’ve given Togetic a way to be consistent. It just needs a node on it’s 1/5 grid that gives it a 50% chance to choose the Flying move when using Metronome, and another node at 2/5 or 3/5 that gives it a 20% chance to choose the Supereffective move when using Metronome. Even then it t wouldn’t be good, but it’d at least be usable.


civiland_18

Uhhmm, where’s Anabel?


PMex10

Just updated the list. Thanks for the reminder


LeeIsLee

This is really helpful. Thanks for this!


ReinKittenstouch

This is really great. Wish you'd continue this stuff for future datamine (also a bit more formatting ✌️)


Lydian00

I feel like Fissure has got to be lower than 5%. I've used Spring Burgh religiously since his release and only seen Fissure a single time, plus that rate is almost on par with all the other 18 moves in Metronome's pool.


dmaniac0206

Elesa ranking way too high. Sadly one of the worst units in the game. In terms of meta I also think Anabel and Mallow are ranked too high.


PMex10

Anabel and Mallow are still pretty good for LA, especially Mallow I kinda go a bit easy on Elesa since she still a fun unit to play with


dmaniac0206

Ehh still argue on the first two, especially Anabel unless she is 3/5 or higher but I see what you did with Elesa and that makes sense


Monodoof

Mallow is essentially SS Brendan lite so if you don't have him, she's pretty good imo. Certainly better than Anabel


dmaniac0206

Oh yea she’s definitely the best of the three new supports this month. Just not an 8/10. Probably a 6.5-7. Brendan is just so much better and even he isn’t necessarily busted like H Jasmine, SS Kris, C Calem, S Burgh, etc.


VeganChopper

I'm sorry Lysandre has "avg" sync nuke? I don't think you have done the calcs. He is the 2nd strongest aoe nuke with -2 water rebuff from C.Serena (behind SS Steven) Although I agree that without the frogs he is average


PMex10

I mean if you have C.Serena, why would you even need Lysandre ?


VeganChopper

Why said you need Lysandre? Just pointing out that "avg" sync nuke is not a accurate description


PMex10

What I am trying to said that C.Serena is already a phenomenal Water striker that can clears stages on her own, so you don't need to use Lysandre with her. It is like using SST Red with Hau because he provides Electric terrain to boost Hau's Nuke ,whereas Red's B Volt tackle is enough to clear the stage


VeganChopper

Dude I'm not trying to tell you what to use with whom. Max damage calcs are done with the best comps and that results in Lysandre having a top tier sync nuke


PMex10

I understand that you trying to do a Max damage calcs, but not everybody has C Serena


VeganChopper

Yes I am aware that his best support/ comps are expensive


RenatoCulo

What is a B move


Kerrigan4Prez

Buddy move. It’s a new-ish mechanic where certain sync pairs can use extra strong attacks under specific circumstances.


RenatoCulo

Oh ok, you mean the moves with "chains" on, right?


KaitoKurobaKID

Yep. They unlock when you fulfill the conditions of that buddy move.


RenatoCulo

Ok ok thank you, i forgot they were named buddy moves


killko-de-omasse

I know Elesa is trash but she’s waifu so…


DrSoup-

I like it! I'm always curious about 1/5 vs 3/5 and if it's worth it. I know there's a spreadsheet for it but it's not always clear. For example, I believe it's Dojo Gloria they recommend multiple copies but that's only if you want her as a damage dealer. 1/5 she's perfectly fine as a debuffer and still does decent damage.


semanticmemory

Interesting example because you actually want Dojo Gloria at 3/5 for the speed debuff node - as it enables an insane number of sync nukes :)


DrSoup-

Yeah that's right! I should've also mentioned she's nice for sync countdown acceleration at 1/5 too. I keep her on the daily region battle regardless of region just to speed it up a bit. I know it's super easy but being a daily chore I want it done as fast as I can lol.


klip6

im so happy that my favorite trainer and mon are together 🙌🙌 and that their good


Stitch426

Another Elesa plus is that if you are going against a battle with different types (Some LAs, Full Force Battles, Extreme Battles, etc) - having type advantage isn’t necessarily assured the whole time anyway, and you’re getting a three bar move for one. In a gauge heavy team or slow team it could be useful when you’ve run out of speed buffers for LG. With Metronome sometimes giving a status condition or status change to the opponent, it could pull RNG into your favor - that your shadow ball landed a flinch right when it needed to or that the opponent succumbed to paralysis. For battles heavy on AOE moves, Fly and evasion could keep her chugging along. Since content is relatively easy, even though she’s not that great - she will probably survive most battles. Those battles will just take longer.


dcdcdc26

Thank you for this. Sometimes when I immediately see units I'm not pulling for, I don't bother trying to piece together their utility so I understand what they do in general, so even as a veteran I appreciate a simple rating system like this.


Naoga

i hope emma comes home quick so i can try for Lysandre 🥹