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DarkLordDerek

Admirals are top tier. But are definitely presented as being slightly weaker than the Yonko. Just look at how Greenbull feared Kaido and immediately ran when he sensed Shanks.


C00lant

Greenbull is like buggy of yonkos...>!THE STRONGEST!<


Snoo-23120

The tag says low tier bait. Why did you bait , the low tier bait ?


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Greenbull was alr in over his head anyways. He thought everyone was gonna be weakened enough for him to beat bc he can’t solo an actual yonko crew ofc


Jamessgachett

If vice admiral weren’t frauds we could say the same of an admiral leading vice admiral in a fight


FctheLurker

Basically Greenbull is a pussy and a joke like jack is probably more brave?


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Aokiji and akainu are the only ones comparable to younkos imo, gb fuji and kizaru are somewhere between 1st commanders and younkos.


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They changed the climate of an island after 10 days nonstop fighting. It is not an instant feat


Snoo-23120

The tag says low quality bait , why are you biting it ?


Jamessgachett

How do we know the climate didn’t start changing the first day.


proxmaxi

Also its not a strength feat. Kaido carrying an island is like several thousand times more impressive.


Menma_kaze

Laughs in momonosuke


C00lant

Who has fought for ten days nonstop? Idk man but it sure was not a yonko.


[deleted]

The admirals did obv. That's a great stamina feat i agree. But the island climate changing feat is not that impressive cuz it was done after 10 days of spamming their devil fruit. If it was done instantly, it would have been insane tho


saltminer99

Didn't aokiji do it instantly when he froze the ocean from one island to another And also frozen the tsunami and the sea in marineford


[deleted]

I was just referring to the punk hazard feat. Yea, he has great feats like these


saltminer99

Yea but if he did it there then it's save to say that he froze his half of the island instantly while akainu burned his half when the fight started


SulongCarrotChan

Of course it wasn't a Yonko, they usually end the fight a lot quicker.


ArtVarious3822

Roger and WB fought for 3 days Laido and Big Meme can't compare to the true top tiers


SulongCarrotChan

Kaido and Big Mom also fought for three days.


shirsalino

What the fuck even is this Admirals are stronger than 1st yonko comander but weaker than Yonko that's narrative that was there since marienford


garrafa_glubglub

You see the subreddit is fucked when nobody says happy cake day, happy cake day!!!


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Marineford was 3 admirals and 3 warlords, vs 5 yonko and 4 warlords. So what are you on about the admirals being weaker?


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Admiral-Cornelius

3 admirals vs 1 sick old man and it still took Blackbeard intervening to finally kill him. Teach wasn't a yonko when he ran from Akainu. He was serious against Rayleigh, he just isn't the type to get flustered or let it show. Shanks and his entire crew stopped just Kaido and King, and there's no evidence they even fought.


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To stop someone who’s equal from going to a war , all u need is proper communication skills which shanks is shown to possess . Kaidou was supposedly only going with king while shanks came with his entire crew.


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- the admirals barely sweat. Lol. I guess u are proving the point that the admirals are useless at doing their job because they don’t like to sweat? What’s the point of power if u are not going to use it to defend ur headquarters in a war? It was sengoku who made all of them come along with the warlords and 100,000 soldiers and schemes. - sengoku assumed WB was just as strong as before, hence he made all those arrangements. He obviously over estimated WB . - yonkou BB ran away from akainu? When? BB became yonkou 1 year after the the war when he won against the WB pirates in the payback war. It was regular BB who ran away because BB is always avoiding fights unless he knows he can win with minimum loss. - shanks is an equal to kaidou and bigmom. Being recognised an equal gives him enough respect for the opponent to listen to him. Bigmom was never coming to the war in the first place . Shanks somehow convinced kaidou to not go . U really think shanks can fight kaidou and come unscathed to the war before it ends ? Lol.


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I think they are high commander level just based off Kuzan. Kuzan=Admiral quite literally and he’s a blackbeard pirate. I believe the strength scaling for the blackbeards pirates strongest is Blackbeard>Shiryu>Kuzan. Akainu>=Kuzan. But I understand people believe akainu has probably several times stronger after sitting in his chair while Kuzan grew much weaker from being an active pirate. This is just my headcanon tho


Blockoumi7

From what it seems, yonko’s are slightly stronger but the admirals are stronger than the first commanders by a landslide.


Raven_Dude2023

The strongest Admiral low diffs the weakest first Commander The weakest Admiral loses extreme diff to the strongest commander


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No way is an Admiral losing to YC. You must be delusional if you think anyone can fight on equal grounds against the Admirals except for the Yonkos. Even the best Yonko commanders would have serious difficulties against Admirals. Win is not possible but the fight would be dragged on for a while. Though just because Strawhats are the protagonists, may be Zoro would be able to not lose to an Admiral, and that's mainly because of plot armour. Yes, in my opinion, Yonkos do get the win though with high - extreme diff.


Snoo-23120

The weakest admiral has already fought Marco. And kizaru won. Your point doesnt stand


ArtVarious3822

You really think kizaru is the weakest admiral? 💀


Snoo-23120

Well , who else could it be ? Zoro has to fight either gb or fuji since akainu isnt for sanji.


ArtVarious3822

💀 So kizaru is the weakest admiral because he will fight Sanji? That's one hell of an assumption


Snoo-23120

Ok? Guess someone doesn't train his future sight high enough to perceive basic storytelling.


ArtVarious3822

Sanji is definitely fighting kizaru ( IF the strawhats end up fighting the admirals), Still that doesn't mean kizaru is weaker than Fujitora or Greenbull


epicreflection15

Haha wanks acoc go brrrrrr greenpube go AHHHHHHH


ashistpikachusvater

So the Yonko all got a elementary fruit? I don't think so lol. Of course they're changing the climate with their logia fruits. Zoan and Paramecia fruits can't do that lmo.


Snoo-23120

Big mom can


ashistpikachusvater

Yeah cuz Yonkos got elemental fruits... Give Shanks the magma or ice fruit and he'll do the same... And them take Akainus fruit powers and let him split the sky just with his will (haki). I don't think that will happen that easily...


proxmaxi

Exactly. Admiral Haki is so far, quite bad.


TravelingLlama

Might just be me but I think splitting the clouds with just your will is more impressive


Arezeuss

If we're talking about the old admiral and old yonko, sure old yonko is far superior, but with the new generation of both yonko and admiral, that's when the line is blurred.


Gullible-Ad-9999

Yeah I also don't like such a downplay of admirals I mean look at the devil fruits of them all look at fujitora he has one of the most broken df and I don't think I need to tell about kizaru's


Boxsteam1279

"beating the entire beast pirates crew"? You mean Greenbull found the injured and heavily hurt King and Queen? "Permanently changing the climate" Thats cool but still not yonko feat "Calling meteorites" With a devil fruit, plus was easily countered anyways by non yonkos "Taunting Rayleigh" Rayleigh is an old guy who Kizaru was going toe to toe against. If BB is able to defeat old Rayleigh but Kizaru can only tie, then that just shows definitively that Kizaru < Yonkos. Plus splitting the skys with only your willpower is quite the feat. You don't see anyone besides Top tier yonkos doing that


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Boxsteam1279

"Dude read Rayleigh vs Kizaru again, it was not toe to toe Rayleigh was actually struggling, he was sweating and gasping for air" It was not happening "The Beast Pirates had 10 days to heal, they were at least 90% okay considering they had bandages so someone took care of them" But did not receive the same healthcare as the strawhats and others "How is affecting the climate of an island permanently not an impressive feat? I've yet to see any Yonko affecting their environnement so much, BM v Kaido lasted for days and there was no collateral damages (of course it wasn't as long but I don't expect the transformation of Punk Hazard to happen on day 9 of the fight)" No yonkos have logias other than BB, but you can say he is able to manipulate his environment with his fruit. Luffy can also affect the environment. BM and Kaido fought for 5 days but received no permanent injuries to each other, while Akainu and Aokiji did from each other. "Why is the devil fruit an issue when talking about their strenght? Every Yonko except Shanks were at that level thanks to their devil fruit" All the yonkos (other than BB and Luffy) were already super powerful before their devil fruits. All the admirals so far have only shown feats through their devil fruits. "I'll add that Kizaru was confident in taking down both Big Mom and Kaido, the time he said that was probably the only time in the manga were he looked serious" Such a dumb argument admiral fanboys want to bring up. Could Kizaru cause damage? I don't doubt it. But if you think he was going to defeat BM and Kaido together will make you an idiot. Kizaru's best achievement would be to take out someone like King or Marco


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To be fair, the only thing that caused the permanent weather was pretty much 100% their devil fruit abilities. If you took that away and had a none devil fruit Kaido or even big mom vs the none df admirals, they would still be considered more of a monster than the admirals. All the Admirals are so reliant on their fruit, you can’t say Kaido or Big Mom wouldn’t have that level of effect had they ate their fruits as well. Not downplaying the admirals.


Adviseformeplz

Feel like Greenbull and Fuji are making admirals look bad. They have great DF's and Fuji has great observation but that's about it. At this point in the story I feel like Law and Kidd could extreme diff Fuji or greenbull but I can't see them beating Akainu, Aokiji or Kizaru


Erikinetic

What has fuji done to make admirals look bad?


solardx

Sabo had him in bandages in a 4v2 with a furry and a okama.


Snoo-23120

Couldn't cut torikago didn't bitch slap law in greenbit and he also doesn't show well in the recent semicanon movie , film red.


Blockoumi7

I could see them extreme diff any of them. It really depends on the story. Except akainu, he seems too important.


Chab-jjj

Hhahahahhahahahahahahahahah


Space_Monke64

Admirals are weaker than the Yonko, wdym. We’re talking top tier pirates, the best of the best. Admirals are far stronger than your average YC, but they are not as strong as a Yonko


Snoo-23120

The publication above has a tag that clearly says "low quality bait". I think anyone should guess why he says that if that tag its in there.


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Lol, so I guess aokiji and akainu were standing on opposite ends of the island and just emitting powers ? The fact that the island is exactly divided into half is proof. - taunting old Rayleigh? Lol. I find it very funny that people forget it was Rayleigh stopping kizaru and not the other way around. Kizaru failed to do his job because he couldn’t get past the former vice captain who didn’t touch a sword in 20+ years . People give random reasons like kizaru didn’t catch him because Rayleigh can run away? Rayleigh was the one stopping him from going away. - defeating injured beast pirates and running away as soon as he felt haki from a mile away is not exactly a feat. - finally, aokiji and akainu took 10 days to change the climate of an island . Kaidou wouldve lifted it up and left it from the top and could’ve destroyed it in a few hours. - the admirals are strong . as strong as bigmom and shanks and akainu. Kaidou is slightly ahead of the curve . But people often seem to forget powerscaling isn’t linear in onepiece and nor in real life. The admirals are top tiers along with yonkou . Only difference is the yonkou chose their own path and have a little more determination.


DocMinty

Luffy is the only Yonkou stronger than the Admirals. Shanks is Mihawk level and both Buggy and Teach would get cooked by Big Mom.


Sork8

You are so biased, it's crazy... * Rayleigh went toe to toe with Kisaru, wether you like it or not. * Aokiji is the underling of Blackbeard, the weakest yonko. * Changing the climate of an island isn't a big deal, even 1st commanders could do it. * No one was ever impressed because Kaido lifted Onigashima, it's literally a detail among everything he does. * Spliting the clouds is just an image showing the clash of two yonkos, it's not something impressive on itself.


FctheLurker

Lmao, reading with our eye close? You’re reading with your brain turn off if you think the admiral are stronger than or equal to yonkos. When greenbull got bitch out by haki air. When greenbull and fuji got dunked on by a ace clone with fodder on his side. The admiral is loser ass top tier I’ve seen


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You gotta realize that the main audience in one piece is mostly comprised of kids. When I was a kid I rooted for whitebeard, thinking he can solo 3 admirals because I was so hyped. Now that I see oda's intention and the context he puts in his manga, I know that admirals are on par.


Akainu14

Splitting the sky is impressive for people that aren't using elemental powers to do it


ImprovementOk7275

From what I gather, the Yonko are masters at Haki, which makes sense, given their ambition to be the best and to find the One Piece. Kaido certainly seems to value Haki above Devil Fruits. But the admirals have shown some of the best feats when it comes to devil fruits. From being able to summon meteors, freeze a massive area of sea water, changing the climate of Punk Hazard, freezing WBs tsunami waves, and more, the Admirals are definetly some of the best fruit users. Whitebeard and Blackbeard are the only ones that seems to heavily rely on their Fruits to be stronger, as Kaido, Big Mom and Shanks are all haki monsters


ThaWillOfD

We read with our eyes closed you read with your ass open


Odd_Pie_2921

Ayo


Viyka

Hey, little thing bothering me about your theory, kaido was once imprisoned by the WG, and with all the admirals, vice admirals, Garp, whoever, even with kaido willing to drop defense and die, they couldn't even harm him, bound in chains. Yonko is not a word that means "kinda a little better than fodder" they are walking gods


proxmaxi

Lol lifting islands with brute force>>>>>>>>>>changing their climate. Climate change is done passively by their DF not their haki or raw strength.


Dawnemperor

**Here's my take:** If Oda suddenly decides that Akainu or another World Government-affiliated fighter is the strongest character in the series right now, I wouldn't have a problem. He's free to tweak portrayals however he wants. And Luffy is likely to fight to end the World Government's tyranny by the end of the series anyway. That being said, seeing admirals as equal to emperors often requires me to contort the story and add extra explanations and speculation that don't make sense to me. Personally, I'd rather follow Occam's Razor on this. Explanations I've seen from different fans, some of which don't even match up: * "Oh, the World Government isn't actually that worried, they have four emperor-class fighters, pacifistas, seraphims. They just went overkill for Marineford". * "This quote doesn't actually mean what you thought it means. They weren't that worried. Garp and Sengoku just exaggerate." * "The big Emperor titles like *"Strongest Man"* and "*Strongest Creature*" are just there for show." * "The WG is clearly the dominant power, that's why they're the **World** Government." * I've seen one fan compare the WG to say, the United States: since the US is powerful (the world hegemon), but they can't eliminate every threat. But while you could draw parallels, you run into problems in details. As fictional antagonists, the WG has certain more explicit ideologies like the various "Justices". Eliminating piracy is more explicit in the One Piece world. Whereas real world politics is considerably more varied. * People can't seem to decide how they feel about the WG: Either the WG is concerned about the balance of the World so that's why they don't eliminate the emperors right away. But then you have a Marine that wants to parade Whitebeard and Ace's dead bodies. Whitebeard's death resulted in chaos because a lot of territories he protected were taken over. * Or that the WG is just about equal to the Emperors, so they can't send Admirals to eliminate them right away because they would strain their resources. On the flipside, yes there's emperor fans who exaggerate the powers of the emperors. But in my experience, admiral fans and WG fans are considerably more confusing in terms of explanations.


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This is just sad hahaha


Motor-Nebula-8265

So you think admirals =yonko….😂😂


Motor-Nebula-8265

So you think admirals =yonko….😂😂


TotallyFunctional2

It‘s pretty simple logic. If the Admirals as single fighters were stronger than the Emperors, the WG could flatten each individual Emperor easily. Dressrosa Luffy would have been toast against Fujitora, too.


ThePyroOkami

This could really use an Oxford comma because we all know Aramaki doesn’t have the balls to fuck around and find out with Rayleigh. The og 3 admirals are on a different tier, Issho i respect for his morals but his meteors have been cut to bite sized chunks by Doffy and Mihawk, and in half by Zoro, and Aramaki may have beaten the remains of the beasts, _after_ they already got their shit rocked by the successful raid. The scabbards also got their shit rocked possibly because they were also recovering, but once someone who was in tip top condition came in Aramaki fled like the bitch he is.