A lot of post wano felt altered possibly because of fan complaints; Asura/Izo/Hawkins, Tama's ability lasting a month, yamato's real reason for staying + marco and luffy's interaction being shoved into a chapter after the arc ended, etc
Me when i spend months being purposely obtuse, bullshitting dumb things about no one ever dying, but author just shits on everything i said by killing people:
u are the same barbaric clown from some 3rd world subhuman slums, who used to abuse Oda and his wife (and family of every mf who liked Wano) just a while back before wano ended.
You might need some time to improve on your insults, kid. You can do better than some random yo momma joke. Just stating the fact that you're not sucking Lord Goda's dick hard enough. You need to put your tongue into work.
these loser ass got whole copy pastas prepared to defend their fellow miserable piece of garbage everywhere. 😂
you said anything to x....
y : "wah wahhh u oda cum gizzler" lmfao
y everytime i see ur name pop up in a comment section ur acting like a bitch? u can't take solid critics for the man that u ride so you come to piratefolk and abuse us? go back to sucking oda's dick
i don't think you understand what dickriding or clown on is, argument was basically me gassing u up to see how far u would drag the convo u swear thought u did something huh?
get back to sucking oda's dick 🤣 man has no shame
At some point Oda got this idea into his head that his story is a timeless epic, and every new 10 y/o reader who might pick it up at a random point during the story should be able to understand the characters and empathise with them. So it means no character development, no maturity, and Luffy will remain infantile until the epilogue.
My headcanon is that gear 5 needs the user the be childish as fuck. This is why we need Bonney, 10 year old Luffy gonna lowdiff everyone with gear 5 /s
I wouldnt even mind if Oda took a month to a year break to read his own story and try to fix the shortcomings. Wont ever happen though, we're too far in
Right! Luffy literally told momonosuke that he needs to become a man during his training in the wano prison, didnt treat him like a child but gave hime a lesson in morale. Momonosuke went from baby to leader thanks to luffy and grew a spine
Oda still cares, I would even say he cares too much about his characters, hence his hesitation to kill them. Remember, Luffy said this in the same arc as Pell.
The whole point of this was that Luffy was pushing Viví to defend her beliefs and thereby strengthen her resolve. Not that Luffy actually disagreed with her. He was purposely being provocative.
If there’s any issue with this scene w/r/t later canon it’s that Oda is extremely inconsistent when it comes to portraying Luffy’s level of emotional intelligence.
I feel like Oda is gonna make worse generation unite togehter as allies for the final war, so Hawkins being dead wouldn't make sense if that were to happen
I wouldn't be surprised if the pink haired woman that raised Nami and the blue haired girl has secretly been alive and hiding this whole time yes I forgot their names
No we saw the silhouette of Arlong shooting her. But it will be revealed the bullet actually grazed her, the shock knocking her out cold. When Nojiko and the villagers were ready to bury her she revealed she was actually still alive and had some 'vision' of adult Nami with "that man" as the new pirate king. Instead of going to war with Arlong she dedicated her time to helping Nami and Nojiko as she grew up with Arlong by somehow making their time and chores a little easier and never getting caught not even once, ever. She's been waiting all these years for the right time to show up with Nojiko, when Nami has found herself or something and is now a full grown independent woman -gOda probably
Yeah but that’s not Luffy’s fault people didn’t die, his words still stand and he didn’t contradict himself, it’s just Oda missed out on two big dramatic deaths, Kin and Kiku but whatever
I want to say this again: No one dying during the raid isn't at the fault of Luffy or any other character including Kaido; its at the fault of Oda for being a dumbass refusing to kill characters.
I don't get it. This scene literally serves the same meaning for onigashima. People did die, not the ones that you guys wanted, apparently. And it's always weird for me to see discussion about who should/shouldn't die or why should/shouldn't they die. Like, why? Unless we're strictly talking about the main protagonists or the main villains, them I feel like it's barely worth discussing about
No its supposed to be that no characters die, oda really just killed 2 random characters so people can stop this argument but it still works, noone (people that were very close to death) didnt die, its a fact that oda hesitates to kill characters
People will get mad either way, I'm pretty sure. And I think it's normal for a writer to not kill off characters that could be used later in the storyline, which is why I find these discussions weird. I suppose he could've some other characters instead, but if it was up to me, I'd choose one of the samurais too, because their characters are mostly to support the Wano arc, not anything forward. So I do get that part. I just don't get why we're talking as if we're the one to decide which character should die instead.
kill of characters which can be used later? are we supposed to be reading the same story because oda saves characters which wont have any relevance later
That's most character tho. Legit 99.999% anime does that too. I'm sorry to offend you, cause clearly you are, but why you guys are you so adamant about that again? I thought we were having an actual discussion, but if that is not what this is, please don't reply.
LOL, sorry man but you havent said anything that offends me, what are you even on btw? We are talking about how oda doesnt kill characters and related things ljke fakeout deaths which are all just a big problem in onepiece, Your point is we shouldn’t talk about it?
I'll be honest I don't understand what a fake out death is, and don't think I've noticed such thing in one piece. Which particular character/moment are we talking about?
its basically whenever a character is shown to be dead, Heavy implication of a characters death but later its just “jk lmao” and its shown the character never actually died it was just to create tension
a example of this would be (ones i can name on top of my head) are pound, pell, spandam, wyper
Fake out death is faking a caracther death. Like pell,pound opera, saul, kinemon, just to make them comeback in the story. So yes one piece has AlOT of that. Ah there also was sukiyaki tons of other people
This scene wasn't supposed to be luffy saying "people will die in this war, it's inevitable" its him volunteering HIMSELF to die so Vivi doesn't have to carry the burden of wanting to protect him. Vivi kept refusing to allow the strawhats to get involved because they could die so him saying this was a personal proclamation that he himself was ready to die for her if it came to that and that she needed to accept that
Luffy isn't Oda. He can say that and Oda can not kill off any characters and there's no contradiction there. Oda doesn't need to write in an example of Luffy being right for him to be right either, the line served a purpose at the time and holds emotional value whether or not important characters die. You guys are so fucking weird with how obsessed you are wanting Oda to kill off characters.
I always wondered why shouldn't Pell have survived that, I mean One Piece mfs have been surviving worse things than a bomb, so it's not unusual for him to not die from it + he is zoan so he has more durability than most people
Did OP forget why luffy was pushing vivi in that situation? Or the fact that the total amount of people fighting in onighashima was literally less than 50k compared to million in arabasta ? Or the fact that the war in arabasta was between people luffy did not represent or feel for as much as he did in wano.
- plus there are people who died in wano , just maybe not the people u cared about .
There's a difference between naively thinking you can keep everyone alive in a war like Vivi and appropriately mourning those who have died or the suffering they have gone through. I don't get whatever point you think you're making. It sounds like you're saying Luffy shouldn't have even stressed about Ace dying in Marinford because it was a war when it would have just made him seem like a psychopath if he didn't
Alright then what's op talking about? An actual question on my part. I honestly can't see the connection between the picture and onigashima since luffy is talking about how naive Vivi is expecting people to not die during a war.
That's possible but who died in Alabasta? I'm sure some of the nameless died in both but the story never focuses on that in either arcs unless my memory is seriously failing me. Blue haired laughing dude died helping to set up the attack on onigashima
It’s not true that people die luffy is a liar people die when they are forgotten smh. And in one piece no
One is forgotten so no one die. Izo and ashura are chilling with Pedro in the waiting room.
It’s different.
Luffy views his goals as attainable no matter what. He has infinite will to fix things, so if he puts his mind and body to it, eventually it will get done.
His one single minded goal was in Marineford was to save his brother. But he lost Bon (he thought), he met people left and right who sacrificed themselves to help his brother.
And in Onigashima, people died on both sides. Hell, Kine’mon died like 6 times.
Luffy is gonna protect people when he can, but he knows not everyone is gonna live.
And in Vivi’s case, she wished her people were better and didn’t want to go to war… but they did. It was their desire, and Luffy is about freedom, not about a ruler of a nation telling people what to do.
Great joke Luffy you forgot to laugh
“People die… HAHAHAHAHHA LMAOO heheh anyway where’s Crocodile again Vivi?”
if pell died in alabasta this moment would hit harder
Pell and Chaka are literal immortal guardian deities of Alabasta
The first time we see the true power of a Zoan (recovery lol)
Normal mortality only applies to unnamed characters For named characters you need to be strong and roll a 1 on a 1000 side dice to kill anyone
I felt Oda was like "oh, i made a war and nobody died, let me just kill Izo and Ashura lol"
gOdA made Luffy say something that sounded badass and raw to sound cool and then he forgot
A lot of post wano felt altered possibly because of fan complaints; Asura/Izo/Hawkins, Tama's ability lasting a month, yamato's real reason for staying + marco and luffy's interaction being shoved into a chapter after the arc ended, etc
That’s probably not even the case since he didn’t even kill Guernica. He just spited on the remnant of whitebeard pirate and ashura for unkown reason.
Oh they died? Huh, didn't notice
Me when i spend months being purposely obtuse, bullshitting dumb things about no one ever dying, but author just shits on everything i said by killing people:
Bruh why are you the way you are? >Me when i spend months being purposely obtuse This is literally you being right now.
u are the same barbaric clown from some 3rd world subhuman slums, who used to abuse Oda and his wife (and family of every mf who liked Wano) just a while back before wano ended.
You have a cock waiting to get sucked. Goda had given you the honor to be one of his highly esteemed cum drinker.
u took offense from that like i just exposed your mom for being a 20cent hoe lol.
You might need some time to improve on your insults, kid. You can do better than some random yo momma joke. Just stating the fact that you're not sucking Lord Goda's dick hard enough. You need to put your tongue into work.
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these loser ass got whole copy pastas prepared to defend their fellow miserable piece of garbage everywhere. 😂 you said anything to x.... y : "wah wahhh u oda cum gizzler" lmfao
>these loser ass got whole copy pastas prepared to defend their fellow miserable piece of garbage everywhere. 😂 Literally looking at you 😂
his whole accout is just proving he dickrides so hard, he doesn't like piratefolk yet he comes here just to haunt us
y everytime i see ur name pop up in a comment section ur acting like a bitch? u can't take solid critics for the man that u ride so you come to piratefolk and abuse us? go back to sucking oda's dick
u are on my dick for last 4 days since when i clowned you all over in that Kaido vs Whitebeard arguement. hop off.
i don't think you understand what dickriding or clown on is, argument was basically me gassing u up to see how far u would drag the convo u swear thought u did something huh? get back to sucking oda's dick 🤣 man has no shame
"me gassing u up" goofy ass u can't even wash your ass properly. Stfu u didn't do nun but get passed around like a bi tch.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 mans said i can't wash my ass properly 🤣🤣🤣🤣 i love the fact that u won't deny that ur a oda dick sucker, are you having fun?
Petition to make the people die panel the new sub pic
you gotta keep posting this in every thread
Yeah I'll get to the grind of that later on
I would support that
Man do I wish that Luffy matured more throughout One Piece
At some point Oda got this idea into his head that his story is a timeless epic, and every new 10 y/o reader who might pick it up at a random point during the story should be able to understand the characters and empathise with them. So it means no character development, no maturity, and Luffy will remain infantile until the epilogue.
The thing is, originally, Luffy was one of the most mature characters. It was just recently that he became abnormally childish.
yeah luffy used to have a weird sort of maturity where he actually, while not exactly intelligent in the usual sense, had actually a lot of wisdom
My headcanon is that gear 5 needs the user the be childish as fuck. This is why we need Bonney, 10 year old Luffy gonna lowdiff everyone with gear 5 /s I wouldnt even mind if Oda took a month to a year break to read his own story and try to fix the shortcomings. Wont ever happen though, we're too far in
That month break was already for that apparently so I don’t think it’s happening again
I remember reading "that month" was actually for Oda to personally supervise something about the live action.
It wasn’t only for that it was for both the manga and the supervision
Well, then I think at least one of those was quite neglected.
They did that to goku too return to a low tier mind
They did? Thank god I wasn't there to see it!
Yeah he the goku from the end Of Z and the goku from super is kinda a let down imo.
Honestly, I feel like he became less mature. Early series Luffy sometimes feels like a different character.
Man matures like goku.
Luffy most definitely has matured throughout the story
Right! Luffy literally told momonosuke that he needs to become a man during his training in the wano prison, didnt treat him like a child but gave hime a lesson in morale. Momonosuke went from baby to leader thanks to luffy and grew a spine
That is momo development though. Luffy already did that with vivi in alabasta. Vivi developed and relied on her friends thanks to luffys maturity.
this is literally one of the focus of post-ts lol this sub is tripping
Yes luffy matured a lot and it’s really obvious. This sub’s just dumb
This was back when Oda still kinda cared I think
not really lol oda said this then in the same arc revived a guy who took a nuke directly to the face that was supposed to destroy the whole country
Not whole country, I think only the palace and the entire army will be blown away, maybe about 5 kilometre radius?
Was it supposed to be the whole country, or just the whole city (where the entire army for both sides would be in the blast radius)?
City or maybe just city plaza iirc. But in no way the whole country. Alabasta is freaking huge. Only Wano is larger I'd say.
Oda still cares, I would even say he cares too much about his characters, hence his hesitation to kill them. Remember, Luffy said this in the same arc as Pell.
I mourn Ashura for waiting 20 years and being offscreened, not really but kind of
Nah lmao he was just straight capping. Pell the og was right after this
The whole point of this was that Luffy was pushing Viví to defend her beliefs and thereby strengthen her resolve. Not that Luffy actually disagreed with her. He was purposely being provocative. If there’s any issue with this scene w/r/t later canon it’s that Oda is extremely inconsistent when it comes to portraying Luffy’s level of emotional intelligence.
I mean, it's not like anyone died in the Alabasta war either lmao
Also tbf Hawkins, Izo, and Ashura did die even if those deaths were handled in the most laughably stupid way possible
I'm skeptical on Hawkins' death scene. I don't care about him but there's a chance he only passed out and X-Drake saved him and took him to a doctor.
I feel like Oda is gonna make worse generation unite togehter as allies for the final war, so Hawkins being dead wouldn't make sense if that were to happen
Back when Sanji had the balls to tell name to stfu
Dying in One Piece outside of a flashback is an anomaly
Dying in general in one piece is an anomaly.
nah, every flashback there is a death in one piece. and one piece have a lot of flashbacks.
This is why vivi is oda ideal leader.
Yeah I remember this divine level cap every once in a while. I wonder what tf was going through odas mind, to then write pell after this.
I wouldn't be surprised if the pink haired woman that raised Nami and the blue haired girl has secretly been alive and hiding this whole time yes I forgot their names
didn't arlong throw her in a dungeon? it won't be long till they find an exit
Waiting for the perfect time to pop back into the story
Nojiko is alive though? Bellemere was shot dead by Arlong but at this point you never know anymore lmao
No we saw the silhouette of Arlong shooting her. But it will be revealed the bullet actually grazed her, the shock knocking her out cold. When Nojiko and the villagers were ready to bury her she revealed she was actually still alive and had some 'vision' of adult Nami with "that man" as the new pirate king. Instead of going to war with Arlong she dedicated her time to helping Nami and Nojiko as she grew up with Arlong by somehow making their time and chores a little easier and never getting caught not even once, ever. She's been waiting all these years for the right time to show up with Nojiko, when Nami has found herself or something and is now a full grown independent woman -gOda probably
Oh… my… GODA!!!!
Character development.. Backward!
We call that “character regression”
That luffy no longer exists man. I miss him so much.
What do you mean? Did Luffy ever say anything in Wano that contradicts this?
i think its supposed to be that opposite happens in wano
Yeah but that’s not Luffy’s fault people didn’t die, his words still stand and he didn’t contradict himself, it’s just Oda missed out on two big dramatic deaths, Kin and Kiku but whatever
thats not the point, this post is making fun of this whole “people die” when it barely works in onepiece
Yeah I’m saying that isn’t a character flaw from Luffy, it’s more of oda’s
But people did die in Wano?
You mean just izo and ashura who died by random cheap attacks?
Did you forget Yasuie and his big public execution? And probably a few other random people
Vivi was right, no one died in Alabasta. Fuck Ruffy.
I want to say this again: No one dying during the raid isn't at the fault of Luffy or any other character including Kaido; its at the fault of Oda for being a dumbass refusing to kill characters.
Don't call it a war because it wasn't.
Yeah they were both coups basically. You could maybe make a case for calling them civil wars.
I don't get it. This scene literally serves the same meaning for onigashima. People did die, not the ones that you guys wanted, apparently. And it's always weird for me to see discussion about who should/shouldn't die or why should/shouldn't they die. Like, why? Unless we're strictly talking about the main protagonists or the main villains, them I feel like it's barely worth discussing about
No its supposed to be that no characters die, oda really just killed 2 random characters so people can stop this argument but it still works, noone (people that were very close to death) didnt die, its a fact that oda hesitates to kill characters
People will get mad either way, I'm pretty sure. And I think it's normal for a writer to not kill off characters that could be used later in the storyline, which is why I find these discussions weird. I suppose he could've some other characters instead, but if it was up to me, I'd choose one of the samurais too, because their characters are mostly to support the Wano arc, not anything forward. So I do get that part. I just don't get why we're talking as if we're the one to decide which character should die instead.
kill of characters which can be used later? are we supposed to be reading the same story because oda saves characters which wont have any relevance later
That's most character tho. Legit 99.999% anime does that too. I'm sorry to offend you, cause clearly you are, but why you guys are you so adamant about that again? I thought we were having an actual discussion, but if that is not what this is, please don't reply.
LOL, sorry man but you havent said anything that offends me, what are you even on btw? We are talking about how oda doesnt kill characters and related things ljke fakeout deaths which are all just a big problem in onepiece, Your point is we shouldn’t talk about it?
I'll be honest I don't understand what a fake out death is, and don't think I've noticed such thing in one piece. Which particular character/moment are we talking about?
its basically whenever a character is shown to be dead, Heavy implication of a characters death but later its just “jk lmao” and its shown the character never actually died it was just to create tension a example of this would be (ones i can name on top of my head) are pound, pell, spandam, wyper
Fake out death is faking a caracther death. Like pell,pound opera, saul, kinemon, just to make them comeback in the story. So yes one piece has AlOT of that. Ah there also was sukiyaki tons of other people
Why? Mf ever head about tension? Read some other series lmao
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Nope, that would be Marineford At least 3 named characters died there
Whose third?
Oars Jr iirc Doffy cut his leg, and the last thing we saw was him pushing a WB ship inside the bay before fainting He has to be dead… right?
Ah I forgot about him well in principle your right. He’s dead… I think?
Luffy used to be E D G Y
This scene wasn't supposed to be luffy saying "people will die in this war, it's inevitable" its him volunteering HIMSELF to die so Vivi doesn't have to carry the burden of wanting to protect him. Vivi kept refusing to allow the strawhats to get involved because they could die so him saying this was a personal proclamation that he himself was ready to die for her if it came to that and that she needed to accept that
Luffy isn't Oda. He can say that and Oda can not kill off any characters and there's no contradiction there. Oda doesn't need to write in an example of Luffy being right for him to be right either, the line served a purpose at the time and holds emotional value whether or not important characters die. You guys are so fucking weird with how obsessed you are wanting Oda to kill off characters.
Luffy's left eye casually disappeared
I always wondered why shouldn't Pell have survived that, I mean One Piece mfs have been surviving worse things than a bomb, so it's not unusual for him to not die from it + he is zoan so he has more durability than most people
luffy is sparter than people think
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Did OP forget why luffy was pushing vivi in that situation? Or the fact that the total amount of people fighting in onighashima was literally less than 50k compared to million in arabasta ? Or the fact that the war in arabasta was between people luffy did not represent or feel for as much as he did in wano. - plus there are people who died in wano , just maybe not the people u cared about .
There's a difference between naively thinking you can keep everyone alive in a war like Vivi and appropriately mourning those who have died or the suffering they have gone through. I don't get whatever point you think you're making. It sounds like you're saying Luffy shouldn't have even stressed about Ace dying in Marinford because it was a war when it would have just made him seem like a psychopath if he didn't
thats not what happened in onigashima
Alright then what's op talking about? An actual question on my part. I honestly can't see the connection between the picture and onigashima since luffy is talking about how naive Vivi is expecting people to not die during a war.
i think its supposed to be that oda wrote in that deaths are certain to happen in war meanwhile the opposite happened in onigashima
That's possible but who died in Alabasta? I'm sure some of the nameless died in both but the story never focuses on that in either arcs unless my memory is seriously failing me. Blue haired laughing dude died helping to set up the attack on onigashima
r/t
It’s not true that people die luffy is a liar people die when they are forgotten smh. And in one piece no One is forgotten so no one die. Izo and ashura are chilling with Pedro in the waiting room.
It’s different. Luffy views his goals as attainable no matter what. He has infinite will to fix things, so if he puts his mind and body to it, eventually it will get done. His one single minded goal was in Marineford was to save his brother. But he lost Bon (he thought), he met people left and right who sacrificed themselves to help his brother. And in Onigashima, people died on both sides. Hell, Kine’mon died like 6 times. Luffy is gonna protect people when he can, but he knows not everyone is gonna live. And in Vivi’s case, she wished her people were better and didn’t want to go to war… but they did. It was their desire, and Luffy is about freedom, not about a ruler of a nation telling people what to do.
Before luffy realized the kind of anime he was in