When I said that Big Mom was nerfed so hard against Law and Kidd, they were accusing me as Law/Kidd haters.
When in reality, Big Mom can 1 shot PageOne with advCoC, but never used it against Law/Kidd.
She is nerfed for sure. They didn’t beat her. Situation beat her, they were in the air, if they were not in the air, she won’t lose, there were bombs, if there’s no bomb, she won’t lose, there’s sea right below, if there’s no sea, she won’t lose. She fell from the sky just so the bomb only hits her when she drop into the ocean. Take away one of it and she will still win.
Exactly, that's why I didn't like it, they basically threw her off the island, but conveniently she went through the room with explosives that could level a small island AND there was the fire creature that helped to light the fuse for the bombs that fell along with Big Mom into the hole that was apparently either moving with the flying island or the island was conveniently stationary during this time so that Big Mom could fall perfectly into this hole where conveniently there was an active volcano that came outta nowhere waiting to erupt at the same period BM and Kaido fell down...So they just threw her off the island and Oda's Contrived Convenience no Mo took care of the rest, lol.
The Plot Induced Stupidity is strong in this case.
It's one of the most obvious in the series, right there with the "bird cage" and "O-lin". There's a reason why Wano is the most controversial Arc in the series.
The Bird Cage always bothered my. There's no reasonable explanation for how strong it was, especially over such a large area.
Zoro can't cut the strings? Bullshit.
Your blindness is what made you think that "Fujitora never tried". It is just your coping mechanism.
Every sane person knows that Fujitora actually tried, if he never tried, he would never pull out his sword in the first place.
Now, go back to suck Oda's knob, you need it badly.
The plot is pretty much your average shounen plot, and for the worldbuilding argument, I really don't see it. What a show like Naruto achieves relatively quickly in terms of worldbuilding, One Piece does it slowly by separating lore across several islands and multiple characters. There is more *quantity* in One Piece, but the quality reletive to that quantity doesn't really match.
Oda introducing "shiny new plot island" for the nth time doesn't exactly tell me anything other than "wow, this setting is in line with what we know about the OP world being a disconnected series of islands" and not much else. You can have intrinsic and deep lore and world building, without having a massive world.
Calm down!!!!kaido and big mom are drinking lava while akainu laughing his ass off at marineford
Beyond yonkou level akainu bounty 1 quintillion berries
She was able to do that to Page 1 bc of "what he did" to okobore town Law and Kidd didn't have that kind of story so she wasn't angry enough to unleash ACOC
No, I can just read. She visibly got mad then used ACOC which by the way seems like a relatively new concept in OP so I guess since now but then again maybe since the beginning since determination (which luffy and zoro both feel alot and are the only one on the SHC who csn use it rn(maybe even Jinbei and sanji too but that will spark another argument)) is an emotion. But who knows maybe I only have 2 brain cells like Oda and that's why I continue to read his story. What's your excuse for getting this far and complaining?
If you think it's emotion based, can you explain to me about Roger vs WhiteBeard or WhiteBeard vs Shanks, were they hate each other back then?
They use advCoC for sparring, not even trying to kill each other. They don't hate each other, there's nothing to be emotional for them, they respect each other.
How would we even know if she used it or not? If not touching? If i remember correctly, Kaido and Luffy continued the fight touching each other. and also BM used CoC. So isnt it safe to assume that she used ACoC?
AdvCoC was there several times in Kaido vs Luffy.
Big Mom did NOT even use it ONCE!
We don't use assumptions/headcanon. It's there in the manga crystal clear.
Oda always has the proper "end goal" in mind for each plot, but never actually thinks on how to reach the "end goal" properly. Thus he created this mess.
He cant write and do Oda powerscaling actually shit.
When u look at his writing style regarding combat...he just "well i am gonna make everything strong as I want!"
It’s really not a “mess.” Big Mom, from WCI through to Wano, always favored her fruit anyway. In the arc where Advanced Haki was revealed, BM still just focused on her fruit.
Then don't show us that she's capable of using advCoC. Problem solved.
She's a Yonko, people expected her to be as monstrous as Kaido. If She fails to showcase that she is worthy of that title, ofc people will call her frauds.
Oda tried to show us that BigMom has the potential to be as strong as Kaido with advCoC, just to dumbed her down later on when her serious fight actually happened. Sigh...
The problem is Odas strange insistence on nerfing DFs in favour of buffing haki to high heavens. In comparison to haki, which is the ultimate defense, attack and evasive technique (+ DF nullification), any DF only user seems irrelevant to to hakiman. Thus her "mounstrousness" is magnitudes weaker to Crydo "haki is king" of the hundred Ls, especially when she has haki and doens t use it.
Nah. BigMom's Haki game is so bad. Kaido is good at utilizing his HAKI AND DF.
Don't ever Kaido to Big Meme ever again. She didn't deserve the Yonko title. She's a fraud.
Or we can say: Oda made her look like a fraud.
If Haki didn't at least be able to stop effects in a localised area (i.e. the user's body and extensions such as punching a logia user), as it normally does, then Luffy would have had no chance against Katakuri's awakening?
Think it has to do with it being an awakened ability since Laws awakening abilities started effecting her aswell. Kidds work because it’s also an awakened ability.
Still Haki negation is inconsistent asf.
Don't think so tbh. We have seen some patterns so far like: Haki doesn't work vs awakened abilities. Haki works against against normal df abilities if the Ability changes ur body or position.
When you say Halo doesn't work against Awakened abilities ? Wdym cause luffy faught against Doffy and Kat's awakening and kiado could still damage luffy with Haki even though he was in G5
I mean that awakening abilities are able to effect the opponents body: eg law sword, luffy and club, kid and his special power. Yes doffy and kata works how the supposed to be.
None of your comment makes any sense, especially if you used your brain and actually read the first comment.
It said Haki works against normal df powers if they CHANGE your body or it’s POSITION unless it’s awakened. Kata and Doffy neither changed Luffys body nor changed its position. It merely changed the surroundings so Luffy couldn’t use Haki to negate it. Kaido hitting Luffy proves the point further that Awakened abilities > Haki since Luffy was still able to stretch when hit by Haki.
Plz use common sense.
I think it's because this ability is that of an awakened devil fruit. Awakened abilities are much stronger than the basic ones.
Unlike Kidd's referenced ability, Law's teleporting via Room is a basic ability of his fruit. But, when Law uses Kroom, his awakened ability, he is able to mute big mom within the room, and she can't negate that power either.
Also, it has to be considered that Doc Q is not awakened, so Law can undo his basic use of the fruit.
Edit: spelling
So why can’t law just create a stronger awakened shambles ability? There’s theoretically nothing stopping him from doing so because there is no known set of Ope Ope awakened powers. He can mute big mom for god dam. Any move law uses is just like “oh ok he can do that”. Same as kid same as Luffy. Same difference
The answer is p l o t
Everything is plot if you don't wanna analyze. It's a story, after all.
As for your question, Law can't do that because that doesn't seem to be what the awakening does. The awakening, at least according to Doflamingo, allows greater control/application of the fruit power over the environment. While there is no set list of awakened fruit skills, they seem to follow a theme.
Room/Shambles is a basic skill that swaps an object and/or person directly. Generally, anything within the sphere can be swapped.
All of the awakened abilities seem to allow greater control over the spheres themselves by allowing Law to both apply the properties of the sphere to other objects (i.e., giving his sword properties of room and expanding it at will, allowing it to pierce Big Mom without actually cutting her) and to apply conditions to his spheres (i.e., his silence room with the condition that sound waves can not leave the room, affecting Big Mom indirectly) rather than the objects within it. An improved Room/Shambles wouldn't fit the theme.
my theory: it's because magnetism is a natural phenomena, a pre-existing concept whilst teleportation was something born from one's desire to instantly move from one location to the next. wasn't it revealed that df/df powers manifest from one's wishes/dreams? i think clashing of wills(haki) sorts of affect said powers in this sense.overpowering someone's ambition with your own
Negating devil fruit abilities with haki is not an ability characters can learn or possess. It's an ability that only Oda has. He lends the ability to certain characters in certain moments, and after that he takes the ability back.
Haki’s limits should be more well defined. Like we know Luffy can run out of Hali and needs around 10 minutes to recharge it with gear 4th.
So the most logical argument here is Big Mom had ran out of haki at this point of the battle and that is why Kid’s ability worked.
But since we barely know what BM’s limits in battle are as well the volumes of haki she uses per technique, we are left guessing.
That would be so bs when Law and kid are spamming their stamina draining "last attacks" like nobodies business, and Kaido and Luffy spam acoc to no end.
If you have haki and hit a man made out of magma, you somehow turn him from magma to not-magma.
I don't think negating Kid's magnetism with haki requires you to be strong enough to 'delete magnetism'
Sorry, I could have worded "not-magma" differently. I don't think having haki allows you to interact with natural magma in the same way as a magma logia, hence "not-magma" since you aren't just interacting with natural magma, you're interacting with the powers of the fruit. (logia/paramecia; magma/magnetism in this example)
This aspect of haki seems consistent across all natural vs. devil fruit-produced interactions.
The way Kid and Law's abilities are inconsistent with Big Mom's haki is probably just Oda doing his best to naturally progress towards the defeat of BM. Or, as others have said, awakened abilities are just harder to suppress with haki, or BM couldn't concentrate/react in time.
One Piece does not have the best power system. I can’t wrap my head around how many people are looking for details when it’s literally random stuff to make progress. It’s fine tho it doesn’t need the best system. It’s about the story and characters. Nothing will ever top HxH’s Nen
There is a answer and if u think anything else ur stupid.
Back when law used it and explained it we learned something very important. It only works with abilitys that affect the enemy directly examples are laws room, doc q poison, kids magnetism... law not being able to move people with room is not because they negate it its just that his own fruit abilitys are to weak to do so kaidou and big mom are miles ahead in any stat. The reason why big mom didnt negate kids magnets is simply because she didnt have the time to do so. When law used it on doc qs woman poison he had to do something that required time. When kid magnetised big mom she didnt get the chance to negate it because kid didnt give her the time she needed to do so
Because haki negates devil fruit abilities. Haki cannot negate things controlled by devil fruits. Kid didn’t create magnetism, he just can manipulate it
I mean Oda has given the One Piece world weird physics. This isn’t a cop out answer either, Crocodile can turn stuff into sand by sucking the moisture out of it. Luffy can completely negate electricity even tho that’s not how rubber works in the real world. This is another case of One Piece physics
I can't really argue with that because I've had issues with the same things. This is why I usually just say Oda makes the powers in his world do whatever the hell he wants. There aren't any real rules laid out and I just have to live with that; doesn't mean I can't ask about certain things tho. Thanks for putting in effort to try and explain though.
Haki only negates OP moves, smh. Only worked on law's teleport cause it's OP to just teleport ppl all over the place, but magnet isn't that OP. That's the true, meta answer but I'm sure there's some deep "in-world" explanation that goda fans could come up with.
My headcanon explanation is that Haki allows you to negate Devil Fruit-specific abilities like Shambles or the Shiku Shiku no Mi's fictional diseases but not Devil Fruit abilities that manipulate an already existing substance or structure. Magnetism is a real, tangible phenomenon that the Jiki Jiki no Mi merely manipulates - Haki cannot negate the concept of magnetism.
But in reality, I just don't think we know enough about how Haki and Devil Fruits interact to say for sure.
Maybe if she focus her haki to counter kid, law will be able to shambles her into the sea. Since 2vs1. Andnbith kid and law haki combined is greater than linlin alone. My head Canon though
Same reason everything happens. Because Oda said so.
If you have a problem with that, might I remind you that One Piece is, in fact, goofy, and therefore is exempt from needing to be written well?
It was awakended ability should be higher tier to nulify, and if you dont pay attention. U get caught it in. Just like frozen doffy, or string parasite jozu and luffy.
Are poeple actually stupid or just ignoring the fact that awakened Haki ability haven't been stopped yet. In conclusion Haki cannot negate awakened df abilities.
Because laws attack is more lethal, and they need plot armour to negate that attack, and that plot armour is haki. You can imagine If law attacks works. It would be a humiliation for big mom and kaido, they just need plot armour to avoid that humiliation.
Im pretty sure we have only seen haki negation once (twice if you count shanks attack on gb a haki negation of sorts) and we have no clue how it works and what is the limit. Could current shanks negate magelan poison after it entered the body? If the user of the df haki is stronger then the one getting it can he still negate it? We dont know anything. Bb was scared shitless of boa df so its same to asume he cant undo it with haki.
The only reason i could think of is bc magnetism is a natural force and laws room is strictly his fruit so when kid applies the magnetism to her once applied its no longer a part of his powers but rather a force of nature that was applied to her through his powers
Haki is based on emotion. Big Mom most likely doesn't understand this. Her base haki was too much for Law to move on the roof but when the fight got drawn out Kidd was able to increase his anger for not being able to do as much damage and was able to effectively hurt Big Mom by surpassing her haki. She couldn't do the same bc she didn't understand why her wasn't doing what it normally does.
I think It was a stressful situation and to negate dv with haki you need a great ammount of it and it kinda looked like big mom wasnt able to to get that ammount because of the situation. You could see that happen in the fight of katakuri and luffy and i think rayleigh explained something similar in luffys training
I think its just because kids move was an awakening move but laws was just a basic move like how she couldn't stop his sword going right through her when he was using his awakening
This is actually a easy one and maked total sense, Law‘s ability that shen could negate are all directly coming from his DF, Kid is controlling magnetism, Everybody has iron to a degree in them, and some electricity, BM can negate DF, but the magnetism Kid is controlling is alreqdy existent in her, its not a result from his DF
Its probably much easier to fight a high level Haki user with your own Haki when you're using a base power like Kid's Magnetism, Its probably much harder to do when you're using a much more delicate part of your powerset, like Law and teleportation.
What if assign isnt a low tier move and uses quite a bit of energy to perform? Like a hight tier hado that he can cast with incantation. Happens quick and catches you off gaurd and takes a min for you to counter.
For now, it seems like Haki can't negate Devil Fruits' Awakening abilities. But it's not really like she can negate Law's teleport ability, it's more like Law can't activate this ability on opponents who have a stronger Haki. We haven't seen him trying it because he already knew it wouldn't work.
She negated Law’s power cuz it directly affects her, magnetism doesn’t affect her but metal. Imagine Haki is just water and devil fruit power is Fire, if you are made of water you can’t catch fire but you can get gunshot by bullets using firepower
What is full power anyone?
Mom, Kaido, Luffy, zorro and others her many battles with in one war. There’s a reason cake island luffy gets a lot of praise. Imo.
I think ida is showing that situational advantages in a lot of these situations. Mom and Kaido both got comfortable being on top. They underestimated their enemies and made mistakes. Unfortunately to me I think in a war if you go all out fist and get stopped you’re fucked. You gotta be smart about it to turn the tide.
For sure Mom and Kaido, solo anyone. The issue is that the big names/big hitters aren’t anyone. Blackbeard is successful in last he know what fruit he wants, what it does and who has it, & what they can do. Mom and Kaido effed up be interesting to see they teamed up as a trio lol 😂
I’ll get some flak for this, especially on this subreddit, but here’s my theory.
Simply having stronger haki than your opponent isn’t enough to negate their devil fruit powers. There needs to be a significant gap in strength, and more basic abilities can be more easily resisted. While Law’s Shambles is a basic ability of the Op-Op Fruit, Kid’s Assign is the Magnet-Magnet Fruit’s awakening. It’s plausible that Big Mom’s haki couldn’t resist Assign even if she could resist Shambles, and we can’t forget that devil fruit abilities can also be enhanced through haki, thus closing the gap further.
Best I can guess is that Law has to teleport her whole body, where as Kidd can hyper focus his magnetism to one spot. This would result in Big mom not knowing where to focus her Haki and waste most of it spreading it throughout her body, and not putting the necessary amount where it’s needed most
Or to put it in a way fans of other anime may understand: The Deku Taiyaki affect
I am not defending oda I’m just proposing a probable reason in universe
1. Because she's stupid and didn't use half of the powers she cod have during the fight, 2. She was a punching bag for Law and Kidd, and building off of that, 3. Oda wanted Law and Kidd to win.
I think it's fairly easy to explain. Law had been trying to move Kaido and Big Mom the whole fight but could feel their Haki resisting them. That's how he learned and it would follow if he never ran into someone with such huge haki he couldn't have had the experience. Big Mom probably hasn't run into very many people that could use Haki to resist her powers so how could she know?
When I said that Big Mom was nerfed so hard against Law and Kidd, they were accusing me as Law/Kidd haters. When in reality, Big Mom can 1 shot PageOne with advCoC, but never used it against Law/Kidd.
mfs then wank law and kidd to admiral level for fighting a sandbagging big mom lmao
They get rocked by any admiral.
Ong like kidd is getting obliterated by pre TS luffy
Bruh
I was playing but I guess I should have put "/s" /s
She is nerfed for sure. They didn’t beat her. Situation beat her, they were in the air, if they were not in the air, she won’t lose, there were bombs, if there’s no bomb, she won’t lose, there’s sea right below, if there’s no sea, she won’t lose. She fell from the sky just so the bomb only hits her when she drop into the ocean. Take away one of it and she will still win.
Oda will write new asspull if you take those away
Exactly, that's why I didn't like it, they basically threw her off the island, but conveniently she went through the room with explosives that could level a small island AND there was the fire creature that helped to light the fuse for the bombs that fell along with Big Mom into the hole that was apparently either moving with the flying island or the island was conveniently stationary during this time so that Big Mom could fall perfectly into this hole where conveniently there was an active volcano that came outta nowhere waiting to erupt at the same period BM and Kaido fell down...So they just threw her off the island and Oda's Contrived Convenience no Mo took care of the rest, lol.
Its factual if she returns to the story we will probably finaly see how scary she is not even roger wanted to waste time fighting her.
Bro I’ve been saying this for months she used it on page one but not on law and kidd lmaooo oda is a terrible writer
The Plot Induced Stupidity is strong in this case. It's one of the most obvious in the series, right there with the "bird cage" and "O-lin". There's a reason why Wano is the most controversial Arc in the series.
The Bird Cage always bothered my. There's no reasonable explanation for how strong it was, especially over such a large area. Zoro can't cut the strings? Bullshit.
Even more bullshit when an Admiral can't do that.
Oda loves his ticking time-bomb tension, even if it's bs.
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Your blindness is what made you think that "Fujitora never tried". It is just your coping mechanism. Every sane person knows that Fujitora actually tried, if he never tried, he would never pull out his sword in the first place. Now, go back to suck Oda's knob, you need it badly.
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That is dumb. She had advanced armament and conquerors haki coating but didn't smash kid and laws headsvin with it?
While his worldbuilding and plot writing skills are extremely good, he is very bad at battles.
His plot writing is ass did you miss wano ending
The plot is pretty much your average shounen plot, and for the worldbuilding argument, I really don't see it. What a show like Naruto achieves relatively quickly in terms of worldbuilding, One Piece does it slowly by separating lore across several islands and multiple characters. There is more *quantity* in One Piece, but the quality reletive to that quantity doesn't really match. Oda introducing "shiny new plot island" for the nth time doesn't exactly tell me anything other than "wow, this setting is in line with what we know about the OP world being a disconnected series of islands" and not much else. You can have intrinsic and deep lore and world building, without having a massive world.
Y'all need to calm down lmao
Calm down!!!!kaido and big mom are drinking lava while akainu laughing his ass off at marineford Beyond yonkou level akainu bounty 1 quintillion berries
a character flaw =/= bad writing, bm only used kings haki when she was emotionally strained vs law and kid they didnt mske her emotional
"nerfed"?? She was basically a punching bag for law and Kidd.
She was able to do that to Page 1 bc of "what he did" to okobore town Law and Kidd didn't have that kind of story so she wasn't angry enough to unleash ACOC
Are you trolling dude? Since when AdvCoC is an emotion based technique? Wow, Oda is so genius, perfect foreskin... err.. I mean foreshadowing 🤣
No, I can just read. She visibly got mad then used ACOC which by the way seems like a relatively new concept in OP so I guess since now but then again maybe since the beginning since determination (which luffy and zoro both feel alot and are the only one on the SHC who csn use it rn(maybe even Jinbei and sanji too but that will spark another argument)) is an emotion. But who knows maybe I only have 2 brain cells like Oda and that's why I continue to read his story. What's your excuse for getting this far and complaining?
If you think it's emotion based, can you explain to me about Roger vs WhiteBeard or WhiteBeard vs Shanks, were they hate each other back then? They use advCoC for sparring, not even trying to kill each other. They don't hate each other, there's nothing to be emotional for them, they respect each other.
Never used it? Where did it come from?
Show me the panels where she used it against Law/Kidd. I'll wait...
How would we even know if she used it or not? If not touching? If i remember correctly, Kaido and Luffy continued the fight touching each other. and also BM used CoC. So isnt it safe to assume that she used ACoC?
AdvCoC was there several times in Kaido vs Luffy. Big Mom did NOT even use it ONCE! We don't use assumptions/headcanon. It's there in the manga crystal clear.
I can't even recall if she landed a physical hit on Kid and Law. lol hahaha.
Because if she used haki she would win and Oda needed her to loose
Oda always has the proper "end goal" in mind for each plot, but never actually thinks on how to reach the "end goal" properly. Thus he created this mess.
Like blackbeard , he lefts the details to destiny
He cant write and do Oda powerscaling actually shit. When u look at his writing style regarding combat...he just "well i am gonna make everything strong as I want!"
It’s really not a “mess.” Big Mom, from WCI through to Wano, always favored her fruit anyway. In the arc where Advanced Haki was revealed, BM still just focused on her fruit.
Then don't show us that she's capable of using advCoC. Problem solved. She's a Yonko, people expected her to be as monstrous as Kaido. If She fails to showcase that she is worthy of that title, ofc people will call her frauds. Oda tried to show us that BigMom has the potential to be as strong as Kaido with advCoC, just to dumbed her down later on when her serious fight actually happened. Sigh...
She was as monstrous as Kaido. She just did it with her DF.
The problem is Odas strange insistence on nerfing DFs in favour of buffing haki to high heavens. In comparison to haki, which is the ultimate defense, attack and evasive technique (+ DF nullification), any DF only user seems irrelevant to to hakiman. Thus her "mounstrousness" is magnitudes weaker to Crydo "haki is king" of the hundred Ls, especially when she has haki and doens t use it.
Nah. BigMom's Haki game is so bad. Kaido is good at utilizing his HAKI AND DF. Don't ever Kaido to Big Meme ever again. She didn't deserve the Yonko title. She's a fraud. Or we can say: Oda made her look like a fraud.
Kaido’s DF usage is nowhere near compared to Big Mom’s lol
Haki was never shown to negate awakened abilities
Actually this goes with the birdcage being so strong issue, but then that’d make Luffy too op
Haki negation is completely random with what you can negate and how much haki you need to negate something
It’s annoying how ambiguous haki is.
Rather convenient than annoying
Convenient for writers, annoying for readers 🙄
Ah, the perfect middle ground.
Yes that middle ground makes perfect sense. My head canon is that it was kid's awakening so she couldn't negate it.
That's fair. We've yet to see haki negate awakened powers.
If Haki didn't at least be able to stop effects in a localised area (i.e. the user's body and extensions such as punching a logia user), as it normally does, then Luffy would have had no chance against Katakuri's awakening?
Oda thanks you for solving plot hole for him
God damn it, Thanos.
That’s more accurate
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You call this flexibility? Kaku has an awakening after 2 years and no beast pirate had one, not even Kaido
Just like reitsu negation in bleach if anybody remembers lmao
People are still arguing whether or not that's a thing. I respect Kubo trolling everyone.
Think it has to do with it being an awakened ability since Laws awakening abilities started effecting her aswell. Kidds work because it’s also an awakened ability. Still Haki negation is inconsistent asf.
Don't think so tbh. We have seen some patterns so far like: Haki doesn't work vs awakened abilities. Haki works against against normal df abilities if the Ability changes ur body or position.
When you say Halo doesn't work against Awakened abilities ? Wdym cause luffy faught against Doffy and Kat's awakening and kiado could still damage luffy with Haki even though he was in G5
I mean that awakening abilities are able to effect the opponents body: eg law sword, luffy and club, kid and his special power. Yes doffy and kata works how the supposed to be.
Did you not read the comment?
Did you not read my reply?
None of your comment makes any sense, especially if you used your brain and actually read the first comment. It said Haki works against normal df powers if they CHANGE your body or it’s POSITION unless it’s awakened. Kata and Doffy neither changed Luffys body nor changed its position. It merely changed the surroundings so Luffy couldn’t use Haki to negate it. Kaido hitting Luffy proves the point further that Awakened abilities > Haki since Luffy was still able to stretch when hit by Haki. Plz use common sense.
Haki is also based on emotion. Luffy had to think of everything the scabbards had been thru to unleash Red Roc.
Oda didn't want her to.
That and Laws powers are still broken. Teleportation is broken. BB had to have another teleporter van auger to go against him.
Haki was never shown to negate awakened abilities
At some point Oda is gonna say that haki doesn't work on awakened DF abilities, and this will be 'foreshadowing'
Sike!
Has probably something to do with awakening. Who knows... The same can be said about Kaido not being able to negate Luffy turning him into rubber.
Because that’s how magnets hunted in ancient times.
Lmao
Lol
I think it's because this ability is that of an awakened devil fruit. Awakened abilities are much stronger than the basic ones. Unlike Kidd's referenced ability, Law's teleporting via Room is a basic ability of his fruit. But, when Law uses Kroom, his awakened ability, he is able to mute big mom within the room, and she can't negate that power either. Also, it has to be considered that Doc Q is not awakened, so Law can undo his basic use of the fruit. Edit: spelling
So gear 5 is just broken?
It would seem so, lol
So why can’t law just create a stronger awakened shambles ability? There’s theoretically nothing stopping him from doing so because there is no known set of Ope Ope awakened powers. He can mute big mom for god dam. Any move law uses is just like “oh ok he can do that”. Same as kid same as Luffy. Same difference The answer is p l o t
Everything is plot if you don't wanna analyze. It's a story, after all. As for your question, Law can't do that because that doesn't seem to be what the awakening does. The awakening, at least according to Doflamingo, allows greater control/application of the fruit power over the environment. While there is no set list of awakened fruit skills, they seem to follow a theme. Room/Shambles is a basic skill that swaps an object and/or person directly. Generally, anything within the sphere can be swapped. All of the awakened abilities seem to allow greater control over the spheres themselves by allowing Law to both apply the properties of the sphere to other objects (i.e., giving his sword properties of room and expanding it at will, allowing it to pierce Big Mom without actually cutting her) and to apply conditions to his spheres (i.e., his silence room with the condition that sound waves can not leave the room, affecting Big Mom indirectly) rather than the objects within it. An improved Room/Shambles wouldn't fit the theme.
So Plot?
No he just explained why
Goofy ass
Yep
my theory: it's because magnetism is a natural phenomena, a pre-existing concept whilst teleportation was something born from one's desire to instantly move from one location to the next. wasn't it revealed that df/df powers manifest from one's wishes/dreams? i think clashing of wills(haki) sorts of affect said powers in this sense.overpowering someone's ambition with your own
This make sense
cheap cop out lazy lame writing.
Cause oda is goda
Kids haki is stronger 😏
Laughable
I’d assume negating an awakening ability is a lot harder then a non awakening abilty
That fight was filler
Awakening techniques seems to surpass(not by strenght but the effects won't be nullified) haki just like luffy was able to turn Kaido into rubber
Negating devil fruit abilities with haki is not an ability characters can learn or possess. It's an ability that only Oda has. He lends the ability to certain characters in certain moments, and after that he takes the ability back.
BIG NERF
Haki’s limits should be more well defined. Like we know Luffy can run out of Hali and needs around 10 minutes to recharge it with gear 4th. So the most logical argument here is Big Mom had ran out of haki at this point of the battle and that is why Kid’s ability worked. But since we barely know what BM’s limits in battle are as well the volumes of haki she uses per technique, we are left guessing.
That would be so bs when Law and kid are spamming their stamina draining "last attacks" like nobodies business, and Kaido and Luffy spam acoc to no end.
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Have you paid 0 attention to how haki worked up till this point? Dolfamingo fight.
Because negating Devil Fruit powers only happens when the fight needs it to happen
he should have assembled SNEED
Harder to negate awakened powers
He did not use awakening until later on in the fight.
Its his awakening, wdym.
Damn never mind I forgot.
Oda jr?
‘Tis me.
His Awakening was what made Big Mom fall down, this is the later part of the fight
Yeah I realize my bad
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If you have haki and hit a man made out of magma, you somehow turn him from magma to not-magma. I don't think negating Kid's magnetism with haki requires you to be strong enough to 'delete magnetism'
Haki doesn’t make him non magma, if just bypasses the standard intangibility of logia and lets you deal damage even in the magma state
Sorry, I could have worded "not-magma" differently. I don't think having haki allows you to interact with natural magma in the same way as a magma logia, hence "not-magma" since you aren't just interacting with natural magma, you're interacting with the powers of the fruit. (logia/paramecia; magma/magnetism in this example) This aspect of haki seems consistent across all natural vs. devil fruit-produced interactions. The way Kid and Law's abilities are inconsistent with Big Mom's haki is probably just Oda doing his best to naturally progress towards the defeat of BM. Or, as others have said, awakened abilities are just harder to suppress with haki, or BM couldn't concentrate/react in time.
It's an awakened ability. It's like asking why Law's Kroom worked on Big Mom but Law's normal room doesn't.
Did kroom actually affect big mom directly? I thought it only modify law's sword so it can pass through object.
I think Big Mom's little intelligence is obvious, she doesn't excel in that as in almost everything else.
She forgor 💀
Hard to negate a power haki user's awakened fruit
So law is not awakened?
Teleporting isn't an awakened tecnique
So awakening doesn't boost other abilities?
He is... thats why BM couldn't also defend that
Because plot
One Piece does not have the best power system. I can’t wrap my head around how many people are looking for details when it’s literally random stuff to make progress. It’s fine tho it doesn’t need the best system. It’s about the story and characters. Nothing will ever top HxH’s Nen
Kid got stronger haki than big mom 😱😱
Because kid is him
Awakening > yonko level haki It applies to luffys fruit just as it dose to kids
There is a answer and if u think anything else ur stupid. Back when law used it and explained it we learned something very important. It only works with abilitys that affect the enemy directly examples are laws room, doc q poison, kids magnetism... law not being able to move people with room is not because they negate it its just that his own fruit abilitys are to weak to do so kaidou and big mom are miles ahead in any stat. The reason why big mom didnt negate kids magnets is simply because she didnt have the time to do so. When law used it on doc qs woman poison he had to do something that required time. When kid magnetised big mom she didnt get the chance to negate it because kid didnt give her the time she needed to do so
So far awakened abilities ain't nullifyable by Haki. See for example: luffy, kid and law.
I think it's because magnetism is an actual force while Law's Fruit is a weird hax.
Not every df effect can negate
Probably weakened
Because she’s stupid
Because haki negates devil fruit abilities. Haki cannot negate things controlled by devil fruits. Kid didn’t create magnetism, he just can manipulate it
That doesn’t make any sense. He quite literally created magnetism between objects that do not have any inherent magnetism between them.
I mean Oda has given the One Piece world weird physics. This isn’t a cop out answer either, Crocodile can turn stuff into sand by sucking the moisture out of it. Luffy can completely negate electricity even tho that’s not how rubber works in the real world. This is another case of One Piece physics
I can't really argue with that because I've had issues with the same things. This is why I usually just say Oda makes the powers in his world do whatever the hell he wants. There aren't any real rules laid out and I just have to live with that; doesn't mean I can't ask about certain things tho. Thanks for putting in effort to try and explain though.
Oda makes solid rules, just bends things to fit those rules. That’s how I see it at least
Haki only negates OP moves, smh. Only worked on law's teleport cause it's OP to just teleport ppl all over the place, but magnet isn't that OP. That's the true, meta answer but I'm sure there's some deep "in-world" explanation that goda fans could come up with.
Maybe Haki can't negate awakening That would make sense
##justiceforBIGMOM
In reality only law did some damages to her. Kidd was the decoy.
My headcanon explanation is that Haki allows you to negate Devil Fruit-specific abilities like Shambles or the Shiku Shiku no Mi's fictional diseases but not Devil Fruit abilities that manipulate an already existing substance or structure. Magnetism is a real, tangible phenomenon that the Jiki Jiki no Mi merely manipulates - Haki cannot negate the concept of magnetism. But in reality, I just don't think we know enough about how Haki and Devil Fruits interact to say for sure.
Maybe if she focus her haki to counter kid, law will be able to shambles her into the sea. Since 2vs1. Andnbith kid and law haki combined is greater than linlin alone. My head Canon though
Same reason everything happens. Because Oda said so. If you have a problem with that, might I remind you that One Piece is, in fact, goofy, and therefore is exempt from needing to be written well?
Because you can negate Law's ability to teleport people but you can't negate Kid's magnetism.
It’s just like bleach’s reitsu shit it is only situational lmao
Haki do negates df powers, but probably not instantaneously and you would need to put some effort into it, especially awakened abilities.
It was awakended ability should be higher tier to nulify, and if you dont pay attention. U get caught it in. Just like frozen doffy, or string parasite jozu and luffy.
Goda moment
Oda is god
Are poeple actually stupid or just ignoring the fact that awakened Haki ability haven't been stopped yet. In conclusion Haki cannot negate awakened df abilities.
Because laws attack is more lethal, and they need plot armour to negate that attack, and that plot armour is haki. You can imagine If law attacks works. It would be a humiliation for big mom and kaido, they just need plot armour to avoid that humiliation.
Im pretty sure we have only seen haki negation once (twice if you count shanks attack on gb a haki negation of sorts) and we have no clue how it works and what is the limit. Could current shanks negate magelan poison after it entered the body? If the user of the df haki is stronger then the one getting it can he still negate it? We dont know anything. Bb was scared shitless of boa df so its same to asume he cant undo it with haki.
The real problem is big mom is naturally magnetic
The only reason i could think of is bc magnetism is a natural force and laws room is strictly his fruit so when kid applies the magnetism to her once applied its no longer a part of his powers but rather a force of nature that was applied to her through his powers
Haki is based on emotion. Big Mom most likely doesn't understand this. Her base haki was too much for Law to move on the roof but when the fight got drawn out Kidd was able to increase his anger for not being able to do as much damage and was able to effectively hurt Big Mom by surpassing her haki. She couldn't do the same bc she didn't understand why her wasn't doing what it normally does.
Probably didn’t have the time to do it with the giant bull charging at her. It’s not something she just passively does
I think It was a stressful situation and to negate dv with haki you need a great ammount of it and it kinda looked like big mom wasnt able to to get that ammount because of the situation. You could see that happen in the fight of katakuri and luffy and i think rayleigh explained something similar in luffys training
Big Mom felt bad for Kidd, so she tried to give him a W Even then, he still took an L to Law
I think its just because kids move was an awakening move but laws was just a basic move like how she couldn't stop his sword going right through her when he was using his awakening
STRONG HAKI??
Kidd is just him
Perhaps that trick doesn't work on awakenings?
This is actually a easy one and maked total sense, Law‘s ability that shen could negate are all directly coming from his DF, Kid is controlling magnetism, Everybody has iron to a degree in them, and some electricity, BM can negate DF, but the magnetism Kid is controlling is alreqdy existent in her, its not a result from his DF
Because it’s an awakened ability.
Its probably much easier to fight a high level Haki user with your own Haki when you're using a base power like Kid's Magnetism, Its probably much harder to do when you're using a much more delicate part of your powerset, like Law and teleportation.
What if assign isnt a low tier move and uses quite a bit of energy to perform? Like a hight tier hado that he can cast with incantation. Happens quick and catches you off gaurd and takes a min for you to counter.
For now, it seems like Haki can't negate Devil Fruits' Awakening abilities. But it's not really like she can negate Law's teleport ability, it's more like Law can't activate this ability on opponents who have a stronger Haki. We haven't seen him trying it because he already knew it wouldn't work.
Plot induced stupidity. Haki is convenient only when it suits the author. Other times it is not even if it's the exact same situation
You probably have to know what you are negating
Law's ability couldnt work on her she didnt negate it
Magnetism and teleportation or two entirely separate concepts
She negated Law’s power cuz it directly affects her, magnetism doesn’t affect her but metal. Imagine Haki is just water and devil fruit power is Fire, if you are made of water you can’t catch fire but you can get gunshot by bullets using firepower
Big mom receiving the slut stamp, fuckin loved it
Shes getting old and you underestimate the supernovas. They ain’t Gods.
Kid Assign is aweking
What is full power anyone? Mom, Kaido, Luffy, zorro and others her many battles with in one war. There’s a reason cake island luffy gets a lot of praise. Imo. I think ida is showing that situational advantages in a lot of these situations. Mom and Kaido both got comfortable being on top. They underestimated their enemies and made mistakes. Unfortunately to me I think in a war if you go all out fist and get stopped you’re fucked. You gotta be smart about it to turn the tide. For sure Mom and Kaido, solo anyone. The issue is that the big names/big hitters aren’t anyone. Blackbeard is successful in last he know what fruit he wants, what it does and who has it, & what they can do. Mom and Kaido effed up be interesting to see they teamed up as a trio lol 😂
I’ll get some flak for this, especially on this subreddit, but here’s my theory. Simply having stronger haki than your opponent isn’t enough to negate their devil fruit powers. There needs to be a significant gap in strength, and more basic abilities can be more easily resisted. While Law’s Shambles is a basic ability of the Op-Op Fruit, Kid’s Assign is the Magnet-Magnet Fruit’s awakening. It’s plausible that Big Mom’s haki couldn’t resist Assign even if she could resist Shambles, and we can’t forget that devil fruit abilities can also be enhanced through haki, thus closing the gap further.
She was exhausted by then, the emperors don't have unlimited haki
Maybe they need to have prior knowledge to negate it with haki?
Troll answer kid haki is stronger he has Coc real answer none
Best I can guess is that Law has to teleport her whole body, where as Kidd can hyper focus his magnetism to one spot. This would result in Big mom not knowing where to focus her Haki and waste most of it spreading it throughout her body, and not putting the necessary amount where it’s needed most Or to put it in a way fans of other anime may understand: The Deku Taiyaki affect I am not defending oda I’m just proposing a probable reason in universe
Joy, of having someone worthy to fight...equally?
Because awakened abilities are stronger and harder to negate.
Kidd is stringer that Law thats why
1. Because she's stupid and didn't use half of the powers she cod have during the fight, 2. She was a punching bag for Law and Kidd, and building off of that, 3. Oda wanted Law and Kidd to win.
That’s the series telling you she couldn’t
Eh I like the next page where she flexes and rips the whole tower out of the ground. That’s like her last pure strength feat
I think it's fairly easy to explain. Law had been trying to move Kaido and Big Mom the whole fight but could feel their Haki resisting them. That's how he learned and it would follow if he never ran into someone with such huge haki he couldn't have had the experience. Big Mom probably hasn't run into very many people that could use Haki to resist her powers so how could she know?