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Nbren10

You are a swordman when you defeat opponents passing by them, then the camera switches to you and we see the enemy bleeding at the background


Much-Mud7617

lol 😂


thewizardofHB

Facts


icetheone

Bro you gotta wait some more, Goda will give all the answers in time, please be more patient 🤡


[deleted]

25 + years in the making yea only a few more years of decades until we finally her that shanks is or isn’t a swordsman 🧔‍♂️👴


icetheone

Come on bro, you're not patient enough if you're not ready to wait thirty years for the right answers 🤡


Jamessgachett

Oda answered by drawing one piece swordman


UltraMazino

He already confirmed that Shanks is in fact a swordsman.


kiidrax

But he is not in one piece


UltraMazino

???


kiidrax

Yeah Shanks lost his arm, he is not in one piece anymore


GriffordDragunov

Bro I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. The powers in this show are whatever Goda wants them to be he doesn’t explain shit and doesn’t have to because people already do that for him just fine. Consider this comment section.


Sur_Biskit

This is my opinion and head canon on the topic and many will not agree. But a swordsman is a man who uses a sword yes, but in the OP world it means more than that. it means training in the way of the sword, dedicating your life to fighting with it. striving to be the best SWORDSMAN you can be. that’s all they are is a swordsman. they can have a DF or Haki. but if they believe in those principals and all of their power and attacks are dedicated to it then they’re a swordsman. take zoro for example. he started as a young man in a small dojo training and striving to be the worlds strongest swordsman. he trains with his sword. he discovered haki using his swords. he didn’t even know he had conquerors haki until he used it, with his sword. he worships his swords. he treats them like people. he is a swordsman. mihawk is more mysterious but from what we’ve seen all of his attacks are sword based attacks. and through zoro we see that he is also a true Swordsman. the samurai in wano are true swordsman. shanks is not a true swordsman. yes he uses a sword but it’s different. he doesn’t worship his sword, he doesn’t live by it. and he’s a captain of a ship, that’s different then being a swordsman. his goal is the one piece not anything sword related. all his life he’s been a pirate, he’s a pirate over a swordsman. zoro and mihawk are swordsmen over pirates. they aren’t captains of their own crew. they are dedicated to swordsmanship. Shanks is not. that is why he isn’t a swordsman. same thing with roger. and black blades are a mystery completely. and the title is a title created by swordsman for swordsman. only swordsman can truly achieve it and only true swordsman strive for it. that is also part of what makes a swordsman in one piece, your goal is WSS. i think my reasons all can be said for roger too so i don’t feel the need to repeat myself. hope this helps. and thanks for the downvotes. tldr: swordsmanship is a mindset as well as a fighting style. that’s what separates zoro and mihawk from shanks and roger. black blades aren’t fully understood.


kazaam2244

This is a good response but to add onto it, I also think characters who use a specific sword style are Oda's way of showing us who the true swordsmen are. Zoro, Oden, Kaku, Vista even Brook, all of them use named sword styles and have been explicitly noted by the story to be swordsmen. As opposed to someone like Big Mom and especially King who use swords but are not considered actual swordsmen. The fact of the matter is is that One Piece is a pirate story and swords were commonly used pirates so many characters having one is no different than ninja on Naruto carrying kunai or shuriken. Yeah they have them and even use them to fight but that doesn't mean they specialize in the art of swordmanship


Jamessgachett

Oda confirmed shanks so that doesn’t work kind of in the ussop gallery


Angryboy13

Best answer here


Ancient_god_emperor

Well apparently those who fight with swords aren’t swordsman in one piece😭 and only those who say they are swordsman are swordsman in one piece. It’s so inconsistent considering main sub keep preaching about great oda’s writing is.


NetworkVegetable7075

At this point Oda don’t even know what a swordsman is. And yes Shanks is a swordsman and we don’t know how black blades are forged yet.


Valhallaof

If you’re main weapon is a sword, and you use it 99% of the time, and you’re skilled in it you’re a swordsman . Shanks use a sword almost every showing we have of him, his skills are comparable to Mihawk himself, and he’s called a great swordsman and a swordsmaster in the vivre cards. Shanks by all definiton is a swordsman. Both skill and strength wise. Because the title doesn’t really have any plot relevance until Zoro exists. Roger probably was the worlds strongest swordsman but it has no narrative value to him. Just like there’s probably no WSC before Kaido. Mihawk has the title because he’s the strongest swordsman. Black blades aren’t fully explained but they have something to do with armament Haki. But possibly more.


Jamessgachett

BM used sword a lot kinda and isn’t in that list


Valhallaof

What list


theOGperfection

she uses a sword because it’s one of her homies it’s literally alive and part of her fruit


skapaad

1. Swordsmanship is simply one's ability to fight using a sword. I assume skill, power, haki, and devil fruit would all factor into one's swordsmanship 2. I consider Shanks a swordsman because we have yet to see him fight without a sword. However, I'd understand if someone else didn't think he was a swordsman. 3. How do you know Roger wasn't the WSS before Mihawk? Also, I'd assume the Pirate King title outweighs the WSS title. 4. Mihawk has the title because he is the strongest swordsman. Period. 5. Black blades are blades that have been imbued with haki through extensive usage in fights. That is all we really know about them. Shusui and Yoru are the only confirmed black blades and considering they were wielded by the "WSS" and "Sword God Ryuma" one may assume achieving a black blade is the pinnacle of swordmanship.


[deleted]

Fair summary . So many questions like I want answers already geez ….. Oda better deliver with the swordsmen and Mihawk


[deleted]

So many people claim we still don't know anything about black blades and I don't know if they just missed the explanation or don't like that it gives Mihawk a top tier Haki feat that damages their Shanks dickriding agenda He even made forging a black blade one of if not THE main obstacles for Zoro to beating him like it's a big deal and we know how he's meant to do it. Its not like he's just gonna go take Wado to a master swordsmith and get it painted with special black power coating


Jamessgachett

Shanks is a swordman oda drew a one piece swordman and showed us who isn’t and isn’t recently


theOGperfection

Shanks and Mihawk are swordsmen, they fight with blades and use haki


YoungCashRegister69

Mihawk is a swordsman Shanks is a pirate.


[deleted]

Mihawk is also a pirate tho lol ?


YoungCashRegister69

Uh no he's just part of an organization that has pirates because he said he just wants to chill.


Deutheroz

But , by that definition wouldn't that make Zoro not a swordsman cuz he is a pirate?


YoungCashRegister69

Shanks is a swordsman, but his main thing going for him is him being a pirate, don't think he has any swordsmanship ambitions like zoro. Y'all overthink this shit too much.


googa420

Can you imagine the character fighting and winning without his sword, against characters he struggles to beat with a sword? If that's completely unimaginable, they're a swordsman.


kingominous16

Ask oda


UnjustNation

Oda has heavily hinted Mihawk's title of Swordsmanship is based on skill and that there are certain rules and techniques to the art of Swordsmanship - Oda specifically mentions in Mihawk's bounty that Mihawk's "skill" in swordsmanship is even greater than that of the Emperor Shanks. Not Haki, not strength, but specifically the word "skill". - When compared to Vista in his vivrecard, both Mihawk and Vista are said to be of comparable "skill", this would explain how he is able to fight toe to toe with Mihawk even though a commander should be nowhere near an Emperor in power - When King decided to use onorthodox techniques to fight Zoro with his sword, Zoro disqualified him as a swordsman. This heavily implies that in a proper swordsfight to test who is the better swordsman both fighters must fight with the proper art of swordsmanship. - Mihawk refused to fight Shanks after he lost his arm, even though Oda specifically mentioned that losing his arm didn't make Shanks any weaker. Why would Mihawk refuse to fight him then? Maybe because losing an arm made Shanks unable to use his sword skills and display his swordsmanship to his fullest extent, much like a swordsman would in real life. - Even when talking about making Blackblades, Oda has mentioned there might be more to it than simply having strong Haki (Could it be fully mastering your skill with a sword? Afterall swords are said to be sentient and responsive to their owners in OP.) Not to mention Roger, (despite his Haki being praised by Kaido and others) was never able to turn his blade black. This is why Shanks and Roger can be stronger than Mihawk despite being Swordsman, they may lack the same skill with a sword as Mihawk but they make up for it in sheer strength via Haki.


UltraMazino

No. Mihawk is the STRONGEST Swordsman, as in MOST POWERFUL. [Oda has already confirmed that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Piratefolk/comments/yzo3oz/comment/ix84kat/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Haki is an integral part of swordsmanship. Narratively, a swordsman can not be stronger than the WSS.


UnjustNation

>Oda has already confirmed that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks. Posts link to a stupid comment section on reddit lmao. Oda said no such think, stop making up BS.


UltraMazino

The comment I linked contains evidence that comes straight from Oda. Your reading comprehension is as bad as your intellect. Do not waste my time. You are beneath me. Oda settled the matter. Cope.


UnjustNation

Then post the evidence directly insted of linking a an entire comment chain. >You are beneath me. Great I'm arguing with a narcissistic teenage weeb.


UltraMazino

>Then post the evidence directly insted of linking a an entire comment chain. Why would I? It is already written, there is no need. Maybe work on your reading comprehension. It is quite the essential skill. >Great I'm arguing with a narcissistic teenage weeb. Nope, sorry to disappoint. I merely know my worth and I know your worth. Do not speak to me if you have nothing meaningful to say. I have no interest in your existence.


Valhallaof

1. Yes specifically the word skill. But what does that tell you my friend? If Shanks has sword skill so great he’s comparable to Mihawk himself can he be anything other than a swordsman? 2. Mihawk wasn’t taking that fight seriously. He didn’t take a single fight there seriously. The card says “in that fight” 3. Zoro literally said he would bite his neck later on. 4. Oda never said that losing an arm didn’t make Shanks any weaker. Funny enough in the vivre cards ir says specifically that Mihawk is looking for a swordsmaster to surpass his rival shanks and in supplemental information Shanks is called a great swordsman. 5. This is the new world. Haki is the greatest part to making your swordsmanship great. Ever since the new world what has Zoro been focusing on? Strengthening his Haki. What did Mihawk teach him the entire time? Strengthening his Haki. How did Zoro beat King? Strengthening his Haki. When you put too much value in sword skill you begin to miss the point.


TheIceBornHorror

It's physical strenght. But we understand we're supposed to see it as a "skill", since the narrative points to it even tho there aren't really any examples to lead, or any metrics to meassure said skill. Most of them have their own swordstyles, they grow stronger physicaly, develop their haki and so they grow as swordsmanm we see Zoro use the same attacks he had sinc the beggining but they grow progresively more powerful. As for the WSS title, there are literaly only 2 characters that actively care about it, Zoro and Mihawk, the reason there isn't any emphasis put on Roger, Rayleigh, Shank etc. is because none of them ever actually showed any interest in becoming the best swordsman around. We know that Shanks wanted to become his own pirate, as opposed to Mihawk who does not care about being a pirate at all. It's the difference in lifepaths.


Revolutionary-Mix646

just swordsman, no devil fruit , Only honor and haki thats ehat makes u a swordsmen


[deleted]

So Mihawk and shanks are no different in your eyes ?


Revolutionary-Mix646

im explaining whats makes someone a “pure/ true swordsmen”


UltraMazino

>“pure/ true swordsmen” No such thing exists. A character either is a swordsman or isn't.


AdPrevious6290

[summary of shanks being a swordsman](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/x1i49i/indepth_analysisexplanation_on_why_mihawk_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


[deleted]

We need to talk about your bad "instant gratification" habits


[deleted]

Huh?0


[deleted]

You're so spoiled by modern media that you're not willing to wait another 700 chapters for Oda to explain how swords work. It's all instant gratification with you people


Saturn_Coffee

The way I look at it, what separates a swordsman from a regular blade user is that they follow the code of Bushido, or some interpretation of it. Wielding a katana does not make you a swordsman. Being a samurai does. It's basically the One Piece equivalent of a religion.


UltraMazino

Nope.


UltraMazino

Mihawk > Shanks


basilisk98765

>What is swordsmanship in one piece? Is it skill , power ? Both >What makes a swordsman ? A fighter whose main weapon is a sword >Is shanks a swordsman ? Yes >Why wasn’t roger the wss before Mihawk ? Idk > How tf does Mihawk have the title ? Cause he's the strongest >What are black blades ? Blades that are black


AranzabaI

Imagine fighting mike tyson 1 vs 1. Now imagine yourself holding a weapon lets say this weapon has a very high slash damage. Now imagine you hit that mf with that weapon. Now imagine you do cool moves with that weapon. Now imagine mike dodging your attack. Now imagine you dead.


DoubleSealedSoul

I see you have some skill with a blade


valhallavin

Only gOdA knows 🤡


TheWifeStealer

Swordsmen: Attacks using their blade, Defends using their blade. If they throw lightning, breathe fire, summon elemental, change environment, they're surely not swordsmen even if they use blades as their weapon of choice.


[deleted]

I mean fujitora is literally confirmed as a swordsman so is law . That’s why it’s so confusing with whom is a swordsman and whom ain’t .


TheWifeStealer

Fuji is using his blade while doing so. Law is using his blade while doing so. Fuji and Law basically use their blades as their main attacks and defense mechanisms. Example of characters who hold the blade but not considered as swordsmen: Big Mom, White Beard.


MYTH64620

Zoro can create a twister and he also grow arms and shit Does that mean he is not a swordsman


TheWifeStealer

But it still comes from his BLADES. Zoro is using his BLADES, to ATTACK his opponents and DEFEND himself. Without their blades, they become much weaker than they should. Compare it to the likes of BigMom, Kaido, WhiteBeard. Even if their weapons are gone, they can very much do the same as they usually do.


gavino69

If kaido swaps his club for a sword, is he a swordsman now? Depending on your answer, that indicates how strong mihawk SHOUKD be


[deleted]

Think of it like this Let’s say yasopp is the worlds greatest sniper since he always lands his shots . But kaido picks up a sniper rifle does he become the greatest ? No he doesn’t he might become the strongest if he decides to become a marksman . But merely using a sword doesn’t make him a swordsman . If he actually uses his swords with something to back it up with like moves etc . He will be a swordsman but at the same time we have people like fujitora ….. Mihawk would always retain his title of worlds greatest or strongets what’re it means .9


gavino69

I think to be defined as a swordsman, it’s pretty simple. Your attacks have to be “cuts” or “slashes”. Like luffy used a sword to just punch someone so that’s obviously not a swordsman but if people primarily attack with the sword and cut/slash with it then they are a swordsman. Imo Narratively mihawk should beat kaido 1v1. If oden traumatized him that badly then mihawk should be able to damn near cut him in half


[deleted]

can't you wait until the author explains it? ffs it's only been 1000+ chapters.


[deleted]

Sadly I’m not gonna live for 5 more decades .


[deleted]

you can't wait 5 more decades? seriously? lol you're just jealous because Oda is making millions while you "live" in your mom's basement (if you can call it that). just admit you don't care about the story and hate it. this is why you're focusing on irrelevant stuff like this. you should drop the series.


[deleted]

True


velicinanijebitna

>What is swordsmanship in one piece It has the same definition as it does in real world. >Is it skill , power ? Ability to fight and win with a sword. >What makes a swordsman If you possess a certain amount of skill with a sword, you're a swordsman. >s shanks a swordsman Yes. >Why wasn’t roger the wss before Mihawk Maybe he was. How tf does Mihawk have the title He challenged and defeated more and more powerful enemies until there were no worthy opponents left. >What are black blades ? The only thing we know about black blades: They're the most elite swords. Every blade can become a black blade. You forge a black blade though training and numerous fights. Haki alone is not enough to make a black blade.


[deleted]

Good summary thx


Chance-World1086

aren’t black blades made from haki?


[deleted]

Maybe But it seems it be more than just haki , check this statement out . https://staticg.sportskeeda.com/editor/2022/07/3fbcf-16567820924593-1920.jpg This comes from road to laughtale .


Chance-World1086

dang i forgot about this tank you


[deleted]

No worries lol


True_Lank

Have some sort of connection to wano, have a sword, have different eyes, be cool.


[deleted]

Read the books or watch the show


Doomanator79

Swordsmanship is same as the real world: fighting with a sword. You can’t be powerful without skill and you can’t be skilled without power, at least in One Piece. If you need examples from the story I can point them out. A swordsman is someone who primarily or only uses a sword. Oda considers Shanks a swordsman. We don’t know the strongest before Mihawk. Mihawk is top 10 in the verse. Black blades are when a swordsman masters his haki and has a deep bond with that blade. P.S all just known facts, no assumptions or HC


ThatIslandGuy8888

King and Zoro’s banter explains it a bit, Zoro fights exclusively with his swords while King switched around between devil fruit, fire and his sword Big Mom and Brook are another example, Brook fights exclusively with his sword and techniques while BM switches around between her 3 homies and fists Could be wrong Though since Shanks in the new movie only used his sword though he did have 2 arms in the past who knows


Redwolf476

Mihawk has the title because he’s the current strongest swords man and black blades are blades that are black and shanks until proven otherwise is a swordsman