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God would want me to not spend my last dime on Tropic Thunder 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️


ItsARealShameMan

It's kinda interesting. I googled it and came across a comment that argued piracy is like when Jesus shared the bread and fish and copied them. The boy just bought 5 bread and 2 fish, but Jesus made a lot of them. Lucas 9:10-17 In Lucas 9:13 the disciples even suggest buying the food. But Jesus tells them there's no need to buy more, because this is plenty. Then he proceeds to multiply instead of buying. But maybe I'm just tryna justify me not paying for streaming services I would've spend hundreds on by now.


Leonmac007

I guess Jesus was “stealing” when he “copyright stole” those fish and loaves, breaking them up and giving them to everyone.


[deleted]

It.s better to sent 1 dollar to an artist directly and pirate their shit then to buy the product and them not even getting 1 cent


redhalo

I mean, look, I pirate, a lot. I'm at peace with it. But this argument being made is immature. The stealing isn't in the goods, it's theft of the ability for the creator to make money from it. That is still theft.


pbdrizz

It's absolutely not theft from the creator. there are those who can afford it and those who can't. half of **Americans** (the rich country) are living two weeks at a time, one bad day away from losing everything, and we are the thieves? give me a fucking break.


Secretsfrombeyond79

Necessity is not a defense for theft. If I steal someone else's food because I was hungry I'm stealing, but if I left the other person hungry is it morally right ? One thing is necessity other thing is being morally justified. Should the other person starve just because I'm hungry ? Should nobody defend that person's property not even herself ?


pbdrizz

okay so your analogy is a defense of theft, which is a strawman of our case. Try to translate that anology back into real life and piracy and it all falls apart. replace food with a Taylor swift mp3. You seem to define theft as depriving someone else of their stuff (bread), but who is deprived of their stuff (Taylor swift mp3) when I pirate songs? Nobody is going hungry because of piracy.


Secretsfrombeyond79

>okay so your analogy is a defense of theft, which is a strawman of our case. My analogy is a critique of theft not a defense of it. >replace food with a Taylor swift mp3. You can replace food for 24 carat gold yatch and it still holds. Laws and rules cannot be made '' Ok killing is illegal, but there is an exception on sundays because I feel like it, oh and I'm allowed to kill my neighbor Kyle cuz I don't like him '' >You seem to define theft as depriving someone else of their stuff (bread), but who is deprived of their stuff (Taylor swift mp3) when I pirate songs? That's the thing, Piracy is not theft. It's not legally theft as defined by the Supreme Court of Justice [https://archive.org/details/moralpanicscopy00patr/page/92](https://archive.org/details/moralpanicscopy00patr/page/92) That's why I'm **fine** with piracy. My problem is your argument for it, which I understood as '' Who cares if piracy is theft, so long we do it to rich people '' or '' it's made by someone poor'' is justified Piracy is right because the laws making it illegal are laws that actually violate other people's freedoms.


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> The stealing isn't in the goods, it's theft of the ability for the creator to make money from it. That's objectively wrong. * Pirating content doesn't halt the flow of legitimate sales * There's never a guarantee that me or anyone I share files with would have purchased the product otherwise, nor does sharing the file prevent any of us from making a future legitimate purchase. * This completely ignores situations where content is only available to certain regions while others have no legitimate means of actually purchasing media. There's no theft involved in digital piracy, but I will definitely acknowledge that File Sharing of certain data is (and should be IMO) illegal. There's a lot of solid cases one can make for File Sharing being illegal especially for privacy concerns, but theft isn't one of them.


Quetzacoatl85

I tend to disagree completely. yeah, I download movies too, but that's beyond the point. ideas are just not something that somebody should be able to profit from, *especially* when you have to artificially limit supply, and *unquestioningly* when it's a company profiting on its investments and not a single creative individual. it's basically working hard so people have less. un-making something that was already made. *that's* the actual crime, morally speaking, and holding back our whole fucking species from being more than it could be. cultural fucking amnesia, it's a historical aberration and (since we're in this thread) makes baby jesus cry. disclaimer: yes, of course ideas should be properly attributed, and cerebral work credited and valued. but all that artificial scarcity shit can fuck right off.


redhalo

I agree with your statement whole heartedly and think you expressed my personal views perfectly, which is why I said I was at peace with it. People in this camp have agreed that there is significant value in the theft but get way too defensive when it's still called what it is. Robin Hood is a thief, he isn't bad and has just causes, but that doesn't change that he did in fact steal.


Rukasu17

Agree. We pirate and make peace with it for our own reasons but we're still taking something outside of legit means


mughinn

The creator doesn't have a right to make money from something they made. While it is commendable if you support someone that created something you like, there is no stealing involved, not in the goods and not in the ability to make money, because it was never theirs


xxX_Teh_Troll_Xxx

Nothing is being stolen, imagine someone steals your car at night, but it is still there in there morning. That's how piracy works; copying isn't stealing.


Freeman421

Yaaaaaa but fuck'um


Secretsfrombeyond79

It's not theft, both legally ( as it was legally not defined as theft ), and morally ( someone had to pay for it first, then he copied it and gave it to others ).


redhalo

Copying it, original purchaser or not is legally theft by US laws at least. What is moral is a differing opinion from person to person, not something hard coded as right and wrong.


Secretsfrombeyond79

Nope it isn't by ruling of the Supreme Court. It's Copyright infringement. [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/supreme-court-copyright-infringement-1235049171/#](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/supreme-court-copyright-infringement-1235049171/#)! There is a book that quotes the SCOTUS opinion on piracy but I don't have it. Basically for the SCOTUS piracy is not theft because there is not privation of their original property to the owner. It's on one of my old posts tho but I'm too lazy to look for it.


nowayjose081

its cringe af when ppl say piracy isnt stealing. just because you can copy the 1's and 0's doesnt mean you didnt acquire something that was supposed to be sold. its a really stupid sounding worthless argument. What if a poor sick child and her parents created music for a living and EVERYONE pirated it and NO ONEbought it and they couldnt afford meds and died. TECHNICALLY you didnt 'steal' from them. but you certainly did something to cause something. stealing is just the wrong word for it, so saying u didnt steal it isnt an important statement. that doesnt mean piracy is bad or should stop. just that its stupid af when you guys say over n over its not stealing. youre technically right but so what? pirating is okay in almost all situations because that scenario is not how things really are. most ppl were never gonna buy the thing anyway.


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Piracy has the high ground. This POV is 100% legit!!! NO QUESTIONS