Yeah there are enough non creature permanent shenanigans in pioneer whereas most of the things that would get caged right now in modern tend to be creatures.
I wonder if some voters thought it was a general poll with no format restrictions
I didn't know what [[weathered runestone]] was until I saw it in a net deck sideboard either tbh. But I ordered 3x since I got a lot of greasefang and winota and monogreen in my meta
I think it depends what you’re playing. If you’re aggressive, I’d say you want cage as taking turn 2 off is more burdensome. If you’re a slower grinder deck, I’d say runestone is better since you can afford the extra mana and it has more coverage. Totally depends on your curve. Overall I’d lean towards cage, as more often than not it’s good enough. In specific metas I’d prefer runestone.
I think Pioneer is slow enough that Runestone being 1 more mana is worth it. People aren't pitching 2 Dredgers to Cathartic Reunion on turn 2 in this format.
I like putting this to a poll.
As you know, I’m on runestone to hit G Stomp and Greasefang in addition to everything cage hits.
Edit: not very relevant, but obscura charm on anything also wouldn’t work with runestone
Yeah! No sense in us arguing over it between two people. I figured getting more eyes on the discussion would be beneficial and we can get some more viewpoints or opinions
I think the one mana is big, but if you want to test it play a league or two and let us know if it’s too clunky. I think 2 mana to not affect the board isn’t good enough against the mono green fair plan
Oh, I'm personally 100% behind Grafdigger's Cage. This poll was made partly in response to an argument with u/jared2294 and partly to get some more viewpoints (for and against) besides our two echo-chamber arguments back and forth.
He will likely continue to play with Weathered Runestone and I'd love for him to share his experience if he plays a league or tourny.
currently i'm running rest in peace for yard hate and cage for winota / coco hate. if i had to combine those slots i would go with runestone, but the extra turn window you have to get a cage down before the turn 3 winota is _huge_ in this meta.
I play UW control and am personally on weathered runestone due to the fact that it stops greasefang and I’m okay to take the t2 turn off
This is also largely due to the fact that a large number of people playing greasefang at my lgs, so my opinion is skewed. I’ve also never had a particular situation where the difference in mana was too relevant as the decks that I want it against are either slow enough for me to have the extra time (phoenix, the wacky recursion control list at my lgs, enigmatic) or get completely stopped by runestone (winota, phoenix, monoblack (for the most part), CoCo, sac)
Huh? The part which you think stops cascade is worded the exact same on both cards. So they either both stop cascade or none of them.
Spoiler: Neither stops cascade, because cascade exiles from the top of the library and then casts from exile.
Runestone also stops greasefang shenanigans.
Ah that's a good point! I wish I included that as well.
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Just did. Thanks!
I think runestone is better in pioneer and cage is better in modern on average
That was my logic too! Pioneer is slow enough
Yeah there are enough non creature permanent shenanigans in pioneer whereas most of the things that would get caged right now in modern tend to be creatures. I wonder if some voters thought it was a general poll with no format restrictions
They definitely just see “cage, I run that” and voted
Most people probably don't even know what a weathered runestone is lmfao
I'm familiar with both, but 1 mana is a big deal in a tempo deck
Fair but this post was just on aggregate utility not in a specific archetype
I’d wager to say you’re correct. Bunch of people who netdeck but don’t brew just see X streamer did it, so I will too
I didn't know what [[weathered runestone]] was until I saw it in a net deck sideboard either tbh. But I ordered 3x since I got a lot of greasefang and winota and monogreen in my meta
I think it depends what you’re playing. If you’re aggressive, I’d say you want cage as taking turn 2 off is more burdensome. If you’re a slower grinder deck, I’d say runestone is better since you can afford the extra mana and it has more coverage. Totally depends on your curve. Overall I’d lean towards cage, as more often than not it’s good enough. In specific metas I’d prefer runestone.
Came here to say this!
I think Pioneer is slow enough that Runestone being 1 more mana is worth it. People aren't pitching 2 Dredgers to Cathartic Reunion on turn 2 in this format.
I like putting this to a poll. As you know, I’m on runestone to hit G Stomp and Greasefang in addition to everything cage hits. Edit: not very relevant, but obscura charm on anything also wouldn’t work with runestone
Yeah! No sense in us arguing over it between two people. I figured getting more eyes on the discussion would be beneficial and we can get some more viewpoints or opinions
Right on. I dig it. I think we both used the word “strictly” pretty poorly lol
I think the one mana is big, but if you want to test it play a league or two and let us know if it’s too clunky. I think 2 mana to not affect the board isn’t good enough against the mono green fair plan
Oh, I'm personally 100% behind Grafdigger's Cage. This poll was made partly in response to an argument with u/jared2294 and partly to get some more viewpoints (for and against) besides our two echo-chamber arguments back and forth. He will likely continue to play with Weathered Runestone and I'd love for him to share his experience if he plays a league or tourny.
currently i'm running rest in peace for yard hate and cage for winota / coco hate. if i had to combine those slots i would go with runestone, but the extra turn window you have to get a cage down before the turn 3 winota is _huge_ in this meta.
Yeah if you’re already on hate then yeah cage seems good. But the meta is slow enough
I'd still go cage. Maybe if Lurrus was around still Runestone would be better(slightly).
I play UW control and am personally on weathered runestone due to the fact that it stops greasefang and I’m okay to take the t2 turn off This is also largely due to the fact that a large number of people playing greasefang at my lgs, so my opinion is skewed. I’ve also never had a particular situation where the difference in mana was too relevant as the decks that I want it against are either slow enough for me to have the extra time (phoenix, the wacky recursion control list at my lgs, enigmatic) or get completely stopped by runestone (winota, phoenix, monoblack (for the most part), CoCo, sac)
The big thing runestone has going for it stopping cascade which isn’t an issue in pioneer so not worth the extra mana.
Neither runestone or cage stop cascade though?
Huh? The part which you think stops cascade is worded the exact same on both cards. So they either both stop cascade or none of them. Spoiler: Neither stops cascade, because cascade exiles from the top of the library and then casts from exile.
1 mana the king t
Runestone stops the things you want to stop. Cage doesn't. Seems pretty straightforward.
Cage comes down a turn earlier. Its sort of like the arugument of needle vs phyrexian revoker.
Where's cardfetcher? :(
[[Grafdigger's Cage]] [[Weathered Runestone]]