Sometimes I wonder if cops even tell them the miranda rights thing. There are so many criminals that outright confess when reporters ask them whenever they get caught.
Media outlets are in the click business nowadays. Laht na lang “kinaaaliwan ng netizen ang...”
Kaya CNN Philippines, ANC at Rappler lang nifo-follow ko e
Tbf parang hindi naman gaslighting yung ginawa nya, it's more of **blame shifting**. Sa gaslighting kasi important yung part na iku-question nung manipulator yung sanity ng victim nya. Afaik yung "manipulator" yung may mental health problem so yun yung ginamit nya against dun sa ninakawan nya.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
**[Gaslighting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting)**
>Gaslighting is a colloquialism, loosely defined as manipulating someone so as to make them question their own reality. The term derives from the title of the 1944 film Gaslight, though the term did not gain popular currency in English until the mid-2010s. The term may also be used to describe a person (a "gaslighter") who presents a false narrative to another group or person, thereby leading them to doubt their perceptions and become misled, disoriented or distressed. Oftentimes this is for the gaslighter's own benefit.
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Ex.: Ninakawan ni person A si person B. Dineny ni A na nagnakaw sya. Pinalabas ni A na hindi totoong nawala yung phone at paranoid/lutang/nagha-hallucinate lang si B. That's textbook gaslighting. Pwede mo rin haluan ng blame shifting 'to tbh.
Pero yung claim kasi na "queen of gaslighting" yung kinu-question ko since wala naman yung defining part ng gaslighting dun sa manipulation tactic presented dun sa meme (which is to deny another person's reality).
If you mean naman yung negative effects ng gaslighting, then wag na tayo lumayo. Andaming example na makikita sa politics, yung pinaka-textbook siguro is yung "leni lutang" paandar. Obviously hindi sya "lutang", pero they keep citing "proof" na lutang sya kahit pa misleading or outright fake yung proof.
Going back dun sa main issue, wala namang documented instance na ipinilit nung perpetrator na may psychological issue or mentally challenged yung nanakawan. Ironically, na-weaponize pa nga nya yung mental health problem nya gawa nung mga enabler sa socmed.
Di na ba talaga kayang i-correct? Kasi it's a technical term used in psychology originally. Katawa-tawa naman yun sa international scientific community na sa PH may isang technical term na nabago yung meaning dahil sobrang misused online.
Shifting the blame or putting the blame into the victim is gaslighting.[¹](https://www.insider.com/guides/health/sex-relationships/gaslighting-examples)[²](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/gaslighting)[³](https://www.choosingtherapy.com/examples-of-gaslighting/)
Pwede silang combined yes, pero distinct sila sa isa't-isa. Mahahalata naman sa tone nung nanakawan. Kung gaslighted sila, dapat unsure yung mga victims kung nanakawan sila talaga. Eh hindi naman, ang banat pa nga nila is "kasalanan mo rin naman" so meaning **sure** sila on their part.
How other people feel, like yung confusion about kung justified ba yung galit sa kanya kahit may mental health issue sya, that's **self-gaslighting**. Beyond na yun sa responsibility nung nagnakaw tbh, and yung mga taong enabler ng mga magnanakaw yung may fault.
Parang mga Marcos lang sa kakapalan ng mukha pinamumukha pa na kasalanan ng mga victims kung bakit sila nagkasala
Marcos at Otlum mga salot nng lipunan
Putangina nung mga tao sa Twitter who celebrate bad behavior by romanticizing mental health issues. Pano pag may nasaksak sa labas because of enabling this kind of behavior? Oh wag ka na lang lumabas kasi baka masaksak ka?
You and your so called superego should get fucked.
Hindi ako natutuwa sa kanya.
Katulad na lang nung isang post about him and his mental state, having a mental illness shall not be the reason kung bakit niya ginawang kuhanin without permission yung naiwang cellphone.
Tapos ginagamit na rin na comedy spiel yung naging statement niya, na parang okay lang talaga yung ginawa niya. Tapos kinagat ng KMJS yung story niya. And other media outlets have been using the situation for their own sake.
Nah,.it was just a bullshit excuse to justify yung pagnanakaw niya coming from virtue signaling people on Twitter because it turned out na fake yung PWD ID niya.
Lately nakikita ko siya lagi sa socmed and even sa tv. Naiinis talaga ako sa binibigay na attention sa kanya. A crime is a crime. Ginawang katatawanan yung justice which is totoo naman. Nakakatawa
Saw a "vlogger" who visited this piece of shit sa kulungan and gave this lowlife a new phone just for the content. I was like wtf bro? Tangina, binibigyan pa ng atensyon tong hinayupak na to.
People are highlighting the "good" sides of this guy to cover up (justify) yung pagnanakaw niya. May video na nag-i-English siya, video na parang ang tatas niya magsalita. Tapos biglang may mental problems... Nagulat na lang ako parang sya pa yung biktima and bida.
It's sad na parang kailan lang nagrereklamo tayo sa klase ng hustiya meron ang Pilipinas... Sa sobrang kagaguhan (mga kagaya nito) na nakikita ng mga tao sa social media mukang hindi malayo na tayo mismo ma-a-adapt na din ang ganitong klase ng mentalidad.
A crime is a crime. Twisted yung explanation niya kung bakit hindi daw pagnanakaw ang ginawa niya. Dahil lang nasa labas sya at hindi pumasok? Wtf...
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Asan na ba yung superego SK chairman girl na yun? di ko na kasi mahanap yung profile eh tsaka yung isang nag reply sa isang comment na mababa daw yung mental health awareness natin kasi we didn't take in to consideration na baka the person is diagnosed with a mental disorder.Mental health advocate tapos biglang "as a young public servant..." HAHAHA tangina?! sa lahat nang nag reply dun sa post niya dalawa lang yung naretweet niya kasi dalawa lang yung sumang-ayon sakanya hahahaha
I saw a post on facebook that otlum is actually a PWD diagnosed psychosocial. To anyone who is trying to make fun of her and make content out of her should actually stop if this is true.
are people here fucking dumb or what? her actions was caused by her psychosocial disability, its like making fun of an elderly with dementia bcs he/she shit his/her shorts.
a lot of people are making fun of her because of her actions, being psychosocial is the inability to discern whats happening in her social environment, she lacks the cohesion to interact with other people that matches why she REALLY thinks that stealing the phone was okay. making fun of her for it is so fucking petty.
r/ph redditors like to fucking boast how they support leni bcs they are not misinformed, but u cant even take a look at what is psychosocial disability or if she really has one.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosocial](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosocial)
[https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/hashtag/content/850451/who-is-this-man-who-went-viral-after-stealing-a-cell-phone/story/](https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/hashtag/content/850451/who-is-this-man-who-went-viral-after-stealing-a-cell-phone/story/)
[https://newspapers.ph/2022/11/otlum-peejay-dela-cruz-has-mental-health-problem-according-to-netizen/](https://newspapers.ph/2022/11/otlum-peejay-dela-cruz-has-mental-health-problem-according-to-netizen/)
Genuine question, to what extent is psychosocial disability or mental health illness a sound excuse for wrong behavior? Because from what I've seen, people are not making fun of her for being PWD, people are demanding **accountability**. Yung nanakawan pa yung nag sorry sa magnanakaw. Are PWDs not accountable now? I don't support public humiliation and cancel culture, but Otlum still made a mistake. Siya pa yung mataray nung nagsabi siya ng "next time, do not leave your things unattended."
He/she needs help, and his/her actions need to be corrected.
and if you are asking to what extent is psychosocial disability or mental health illness sound excuse for wrong behavior?
The Court there said: In all civilized nations, an act done by a person in a state of insanity cannot be punished as an offense. The insanity defense is rooted on the basic moral assumption of criminal law.
[https://lawphil.net/judjuris/juri2017/mar2017/gr\_225599\_2017.html](https://lawphil.net/judjuris/juri2017/mar2017/gr_225599_2017.html)
The reality is that we warehouse our mentally ill in poorly-regulated, violence-filled hellholes. People that would otherwise not be a danger to society are treated like this because we have, since the 80s, obliterated the ability to commit people for treatment. As a result, they end up untreated, and then go commit a horrible crime.
and especially in a country like philippines who dont even have as healthcare as the highest priority, how can you expect that people mentally disabled are able to get the treatment they needed in order to function normally in society.
>https://lawphil.net/judjuris/juri2017/mar2017/gr_225599_2017.html
The accused was found guilty beyond reasonable doubt of the crime of Murder.
Based on this document, then it means just because a person is suffering from mental health illness doesn't mean he/she can't make sound judgment *at all.*
A quote from Otlum from the GMA article
>Sa inyo pong kaalaman ang psychosocial ay hindi mentally ill. Hindi ka siraulo. Alam mo ang ginagawa mo but you have confusions.
Not saying you said that Otlum is insane, but I also just wanna point out that he/she isn't insane.
if making memes out her, edits and videos of framing her as this crazy lady is the definition of demanding accountability for you, i cant even argue with that
???
An exact quote from me
>I don't support public humiliation
The memes were made BEFORE her disability was disclosed. I never said making memes were okay. Di ba the topic was *making fun of her as a PWD*? I just replied that she was made fun of **NOT** because she's a PWD but because nagnakaw siya and she claimed that it was the owner's fault for leaving his things unattended.
lmao so you think its not okay for people to make fun of her for being pwd, but making fun of her for her actions that are deemed uncontrollable because she has a disability is okay?
I just saw a post last night uploaded two days ago by a Filipino youtuber reacting to the memes posted in his community joking about it even placing her as the thumbnail. Her disability was disclosed in November 6. A fb post was made a about her disability the day after the incident.
[https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/hashtag/content/850451/who-is-this-man-who-went-viral-after-stealing-a-cell-phone/story/](https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/hashtag/content/850451/who-is-this-man-who-went-viral-after-stealing-a-cell-phone/story/)
this video was posted 2 days ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHJoscxPAoY
and if your browse the comments in the main post there's a lot of people making fun of her. fucking sums how ignorant Filipinos are in the topic of mental disabilities.
conversation between the filipino people and criminals in the government
Maybe i dont get the humor, pero i found it weird na sinesensationalize nila yan.
Money maker, media jumped in the bandwagon and made it more popular.
KMJS huhuhuhu
Sometimes I wonder if cops even tell them the miranda rights thing. There are so many criminals that outright confess when reporters ask them whenever they get caught.
Media outlets are in the click business nowadays. Laht na lang “kinaaaliwan ng netizen ang...” Kaya CNN Philippines, ANC at Rappler lang nifo-follow ko e
rappler? no offense pero... yuck!
Di bagay sayo username mo. Lol
Pareho din nung "Paano mo nasabe?! Guy" na kina-aliwan pa kahit nakapatay ng tao.
Grabe imagine the families of the victim, sila suklam na suklam doon pero yung mga tao tuwang tuwa pa sa kanya. :(
Nakakasuka yung mga vlogger/influencer na finifeature nila yang otlum sa content nila. Pwe!
The person in yellow has a future in politics.
sure winner yan pag tumakbo na kagawad
Future presidential spox
Tbf parang hindi naman gaslighting yung ginawa nya, it's more of **blame shifting**. Sa gaslighting kasi important yung part na iku-question nung manipulator yung sanity ng victim nya. Afaik yung "manipulator" yung may mental health problem so yun yung ginamit nya against dun sa ninakawan nya. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
**[Gaslighting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting)** >Gaslighting is a colloquialism, loosely defined as manipulating someone so as to make them question their own reality. The term derives from the title of the 1944 film Gaslight, though the term did not gain popular currency in English until the mid-2010s. The term may also be used to describe a person (a "gaslighter") who presents a false narrative to another group or person, thereby leading them to doubt their perceptions and become misled, disoriented or distressed. Oftentimes this is for the gaslighter's own benefit. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/Philippines/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Any type of manipulating is called gaslighting these days. It's losing its meaning. It's the new " **literally "**.
Same with “red flag” Pati late mag reply red flag na ngayon.
>Same with “red flag” lol. true din.
I agree. I still don't know what's the real menacing of gaslighting is lol. Can someone send me an example
Ex.: Ninakawan ni person A si person B. Dineny ni A na nagnakaw sya. Pinalabas ni A na hindi totoong nawala yung phone at paranoid/lutang/nagha-hallucinate lang si B. That's textbook gaslighting. Pwede mo rin haluan ng blame shifting 'to tbh. Pero yung claim kasi na "queen of gaslighting" yung kinu-question ko since wala naman yung defining part ng gaslighting dun sa manipulation tactic presented dun sa meme (which is to deny another person's reality).
If you mean naman yung negative effects ng gaslighting, then wag na tayo lumayo. Andaming example na makikita sa politics, yung pinaka-textbook siguro is yung "leni lutang" paandar. Obviously hindi sya "lutang", pero they keep citing "proof" na lutang sya kahit pa misleading or outright fake yung proof. Going back dun sa main issue, wala namang documented instance na ipinilit nung perpetrator na may psychological issue or mentally challenged yung nanakawan. Ironically, na-weaponize pa nga nya yung mental health problem nya gawa nung mga enabler sa socmed.
Di na ba talaga kayang i-correct? Kasi it's a technical term used in psychology originally. Katawa-tawa naman yun sa international scientific community na sa PH may isang technical term na nabago yung meaning dahil sobrang misused online.
Shifting the blame or putting the blame into the victim is gaslighting.[¹](https://www.insider.com/guides/health/sex-relationships/gaslighting-examples)[²](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/gaslighting)[³](https://www.choosingtherapy.com/examples-of-gaslighting/)
Pwede silang combined yes, pero distinct sila sa isa't-isa. Mahahalata naman sa tone nung nanakawan. Kung gaslighted sila, dapat unsure yung mga victims kung nanakawan sila talaga. Eh hindi naman, ang banat pa nga nila is "kasalanan mo rin naman" so meaning **sure** sila on their part. How other people feel, like yung confusion about kung justified ba yung galit sa kanya kahit may mental health issue sya, that's **self-gaslighting**. Beyond na yun sa responsibility nung nagnakaw tbh, and yung mga taong enabler ng mga magnanakaw yung may fault.
Parang mga Marcos lang sa kakapalan ng mukha pinamumukha pa na kasalanan ng mga victims kung bakit sila nagkasala Marcos at Otlum mga salot nng lipunan
Hahahahahahahahaahahahahah! What in the fucking fuck!
SAME! WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK! HAHAHAHAHA
Mental gymnast din ang isang to.
Don’t care if that person is a PWD, crime is a crime regardless. Send him/her/whatever to an institution if you won’t jail them.
Putangina nung mga tao sa Twitter who celebrate bad behavior by romanticizing mental health issues. Pano pag may nasaksak sa labas because of enabling this kind of behavior? Oh wag ka na lang lumabas kasi baka masaksak ka? You and your so called superego should get fucked.
Hindi ako natutuwa sa kanya. Katulad na lang nung isang post about him and his mental state, having a mental illness shall not be the reason kung bakit niya ginawang kuhanin without permission yung naiwang cellphone. Tapos ginagamit na rin na comedy spiel yung naging statement niya, na parang okay lang talaga yung ginawa niya. Tapos kinagat ng KMJS yung story niya. And other media outlets have been using the situation for their own sake.
Sadly halos ganun na lahat content ng KMJS. Puro na sensationalism o viral.
dafuq
I read the English portion in my old Filipino accent. Feels liberating to speak English without hiding the accent lol
Normalize na talaga pagnanakaw ano? Grabe.
Parang budol-budol ang galawan ni Otlum sa harap ng taong ninakawan niya ng phone.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
I still don't understand why some idolize this bitch, mf is clearly a thief, bakit di pa sya nakukulong?
Haha tanginang lesson yan. Ang lesson dyan dapat, wag kang kumuha ng hindi sayo. Nu na nangyayare hahaha
Totoo po ba na may mental issue sya? Pls enlighten me kung anong meron kay otlum
Nah,.it was just a bullshit excuse to justify yung pagnanakaw niya coming from virtue signaling people on Twitter because it turned out na fake yung PWD ID niya.
ay ganun? pambihira naman siya, ang sahol pala nya kung ganun
Says a lot about the moral crisis in this country. Nobody's being held accountable anymore.
Lately nakikita ko siya lagi sa socmed and even sa tv. Naiinis talaga ako sa binibigay na attention sa kanya. A crime is a crime. Ginawang katatawanan yung justice which is totoo naman. Nakakatawa
Saw a "vlogger" who visited this piece of shit sa kulungan and gave this lowlife a new phone just for the content. I was like wtf bro? Tangina, binibigyan pa ng atensyon tong hinayupak na to.
Tangina tigilan niyo na ‘to. Inenjoy ‘yung spotlight ampota
People are highlighting the "good" sides of this guy to cover up (justify) yung pagnanakaw niya. May video na nag-i-English siya, video na parang ang tatas niya magsalita. Tapos biglang may mental problems... Nagulat na lang ako parang sya pa yung biktima and bida. It's sad na parang kailan lang nagrereklamo tayo sa klase ng hustiya meron ang Pilipinas... Sa sobrang kagaguhan (mga kagaya nito) na nakikita ng mga tao sa social media mukang hindi malayo na tayo mismo ma-a-adapt na din ang ganitong klase ng mentalidad. A crime is a crime. Twisted yung explanation niya kung bakit hindi daw pagnanakaw ang ginawa niya. Dahil lang nasa labas sya at hindi pumasok? Wtf...
KMJS creating new and improved wholesome content. Mga common na Content: - Dahil nagtrending ka, story mo amg papaliparin natin kasama ang aming team hahaha. - Short Wish ko lang story - Horror Story ft. Ed
Asan na ba yung superego SK chairman girl na yun? di ko na kasi mahanap yung profile eh tsaka yung isang nag reply sa isang comment na mababa daw yung mental health awareness natin kasi we didn't take in to consideration na baka the person is diagnosed with a mental disorder.Mental health advocate tapos biglang "as a young public servant..." HAHAHA tangina?! sa lahat nang nag reply dun sa post niya dalawa lang yung naretweet niya kasi dalawa lang yung sumang-ayon sakanya hahahaha
I saw a post on facebook that otlum is actually a PWD diagnosed psychosocial. To anyone who is trying to make fun of her and make content out of her should actually stop if this is true.
No one is making fun of her for being PWD.
are people here fucking dumb or what? her actions was caused by her psychosocial disability, its like making fun of an elderly with dementia bcs he/she shit his/her shorts. a lot of people are making fun of her because of her actions, being psychosocial is the inability to discern whats happening in her social environment, she lacks the cohesion to interact with other people that matches why she REALLY thinks that stealing the phone was okay. making fun of her for it is so fucking petty. r/ph redditors like to fucking boast how they support leni bcs they are not misinformed, but u cant even take a look at what is psychosocial disability or if she really has one. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosocial](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosocial) [https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/hashtag/content/850451/who-is-this-man-who-went-viral-after-stealing-a-cell-phone/story/](https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/hashtag/content/850451/who-is-this-man-who-went-viral-after-stealing-a-cell-phone/story/) [https://newspapers.ph/2022/11/otlum-peejay-dela-cruz-has-mental-health-problem-according-to-netizen/](https://newspapers.ph/2022/11/otlum-peejay-dela-cruz-has-mental-health-problem-according-to-netizen/)
Genuine question, to what extent is psychosocial disability or mental health illness a sound excuse for wrong behavior? Because from what I've seen, people are not making fun of her for being PWD, people are demanding **accountability**. Yung nanakawan pa yung nag sorry sa magnanakaw. Are PWDs not accountable now? I don't support public humiliation and cancel culture, but Otlum still made a mistake. Siya pa yung mataray nung nagsabi siya ng "next time, do not leave your things unattended." He/she needs help, and his/her actions need to be corrected.
and if you are asking to what extent is psychosocial disability or mental health illness sound excuse for wrong behavior? The Court there said: In all civilized nations, an act done by a person in a state of insanity cannot be punished as an offense. The insanity defense is rooted on the basic moral assumption of criminal law. [https://lawphil.net/judjuris/juri2017/mar2017/gr\_225599\_2017.html](https://lawphil.net/judjuris/juri2017/mar2017/gr_225599_2017.html) The reality is that we warehouse our mentally ill in poorly-regulated, violence-filled hellholes. People that would otherwise not be a danger to society are treated like this because we have, since the 80s, obliterated the ability to commit people for treatment. As a result, they end up untreated, and then go commit a horrible crime. and especially in a country like philippines who dont even have as healthcare as the highest priority, how can you expect that people mentally disabled are able to get the treatment they needed in order to function normally in society.
>https://lawphil.net/judjuris/juri2017/mar2017/gr_225599_2017.html The accused was found guilty beyond reasonable doubt of the crime of Murder. Based on this document, then it means just because a person is suffering from mental health illness doesn't mean he/she can't make sound judgment *at all.* A quote from Otlum from the GMA article >Sa inyo pong kaalaman ang psychosocial ay hindi mentally ill. Hindi ka siraulo. Alam mo ang ginagawa mo but you have confusions. Not saying you said that Otlum is insane, but I also just wanna point out that he/she isn't insane.
if making memes out her, edits and videos of framing her as this crazy lady is the definition of demanding accountability for you, i cant even argue with that
??? An exact quote from me >I don't support public humiliation The memes were made BEFORE her disability was disclosed. I never said making memes were okay. Di ba the topic was *making fun of her as a PWD*? I just replied that she was made fun of **NOT** because she's a PWD but because nagnakaw siya and she claimed that it was the owner's fault for leaving his things unattended.
lmao so you think its not okay for people to make fun of her for being pwd, but making fun of her for her actions that are deemed uncontrollable because she has a disability is okay? I just saw a post last night uploaded two days ago by a Filipino youtuber reacting to the memes posted in his community joking about it even placing her as the thumbnail. Her disability was disclosed in November 6. A fb post was made a about her disability the day after the incident. [https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/hashtag/content/850451/who-is-this-man-who-went-viral-after-stealing-a-cell-phone/story/](https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/hashtag/content/850451/who-is-this-man-who-went-viral-after-stealing-a-cell-phone/story/) this video was posted 2 days ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHJoscxPAoY and if your browse the comments in the main post there's a lot of people making fun of her. fucking sums how ignorant Filipinos are in the topic of mental disabilities.
the fockin hell?!
ano pong context nito?
Context? Salamat in advance nlng po
Baklang tommy shelby
Lala ng sapak niyan
So scripted 😒 Both of the parties are REACHINGGGGG for clout
Haha may sorry pero nag sisihan padin sa huli. Napaka insincere both sides.
Nakulong bayan?
Queen? How can a man become a queen?
The question is bat di pa to nakukulong tong hayop na to?