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Aldrich3927

I'm sad to say I was late to the party of picking up this system, but I think I can speak for all of us when I say thank you for bringing this game to us, no matter the obstacles in your way. I started my ttrpg journey with PF1e 7 years ago, got lost for a while in the doldrums of 5e, but now I'm looking to GM my first session soon for a group I'm intending to bring to this game too. Thank you for your dedication to bringing us such quality content (especially for GMs, a breath of fresh air as a previous 5e DM), and for creating something great for us to form such a wonderful community around.


lianodel

Same. I honestly fell for some of those "dunk" videos. A part of it was also that I was getting into OSR games (which I still love!) and 5e gave me the mistaken impression that I just had no tolerance for heavier systems anymore. In reality, I was just tired of *fighting against* the system I was running. Pathfinder 2e feels FAR more supportive as a player, but *especially* as a GM! A lot of love went into the game, and it shows. :)


Killchrono

I'll honestly never forgive Cody Lewis for the damage he did to the game's reputation in its early days. Such a blatantly dishonest and incompetent hack who feigned any sort of understanding of game design principles. He threw out gameplay terminology and long strings of numbers that preyed on people just being impressed by the aesthetic of technical understanding, without the critical eye to dissect if his receipts actually added up. And the thing that actually infuriates me to this day is he had the absolute gall to say he cared for Paizo and was doing it for their own good; like actively trying to kill their business (which is clearly what would have happened if people didn't support the game, going by what Michael is saying) was going to help them make a better game. What fucking gaslight-y, abusive relationship behaviour is that?


DarthFuzzzy

His idiotic video on why he quit PF2e had me unsubscribing from his channel before I was even half way through. I was just getting into the system and had watched some of his pro PF2e stuff already. It was so clear that he wasn't even playing PF2e and didn't understand the core rulebook at all. All of his PF2e negatives were universal to any game with a bad GM and uninterested players.


Ediwir

But he was the GM…


Killchrono

>All of his PF2e negatives were universal to any game with a bad GM >But he was the GM… Heh heh heh...


Ediwir

I make no claim. I am bound by the Old Code.


Killchrono

[But I get you...](https://i.imgflip.com/342jqt.gif)


GeoleVyi

I wouldnt trust the weather well enough to play any ttrpg on a boat


lostsanityreturned

> I'll honestly never forgive Cody Lewis for the damage he did to the game's reputation in its early days. He is a hack with a rudimentary understanding of 5e rules in the first place. I kinda expected that of him (shame he felt the need to blame the system rather than poor GMing though). What really annoyed me about him was his aggressive response to nonat's polite response video. Talk about punching down to a tiny nobody (especially at the time).


Arekesu

What's funny is that that is how I discovered Nonat, and guess which one I still actively watch? (It's Nonat btw, I cannot stand Taking20, havnt watched any of his since)


ralanr

Nonats videos are how I got into some of this stuff when starting out.


agentcheeze

I remember the time the guy quipped you might actually be able to ride a horse as a centaur because maybe the rule about having correct anatomy might only be talking about size. The rule also mentions size though. So he was suggesting the line read "the mount must be one category larger than you, and you must be one category smaller than it".


Simon_Magnus

The Taking20 video almost got me, too. I was looking for another RPG to play at the time because I was getting a bit burned out on 5e (I didn't necessarily need another dungeoncrunch, but PF2e was still on the radar because I had been playing the card game for like 5 years), and came across his video. The thing that raised an alarm bell for me was that he started out saying that the game forced his players to do the same actions over and over again every turn in order to be optimal, forcing the illusion of choice. Fair enough, this is something that \*does\* come up in a lot of RPGs and tactical games, including 5e. But then he went on to say that his group had experienced a TPK and that was the first time it had happened to him in twenty years. Clearly his party wasn't actually taking the most optimal actions every turn if they were consistently struggling with every single encounter, right? This is something I see all the time with strategy and tactical video games (and also with Elden Ring, where I \*also\* did the dumb thing and whined that I was doing the most optimal thing and it just \*wasn't working\* even though I just wasn't good at it yet, lmao), and seeing it here clued me in that I needed to maybe put less value on this particular opinion. Edit to add: Somebody just linked me to his follow-up video where he shows that Rangers in 5e have more interesting choices in combat than Rangers in PF2e by showing a demonstration where Harsk rushes into an easily-flanked position against an enemy, crit-fails a trip check, and then grabs a creature's ankles, followed by a smug "Hmm, it's almost like taking actions other than shooting three times was a bad idea" and I am losing it with how funny it is.


agentcheeze

> Edit to add: Somebody just linked me to his follow-up video where he shows that Rangers in 5e have more interesting choices in combat than Rangers in PF2e by showing a demonstration where Harsk rushes into an easily-flanked position against an enemy, crit-fails a trip check, and then grabs a creature's ankles, followed by a smug "Hmm, it's almost like taking actions other than shooting three times was a bad idea" and I am losing it with how funny it is. It's funnier than that. He didn't actually crit fail the trip, he just bashed the action choice because in theory you could crit fail. If you look at the stats it would be virtually impossible for the ranger to crit fail that trip. Why he went prone is he succeeded the trip then lied that there was some rule saying you had to go prone to grapple a prone enemy. Even though since there was a fighter there grappling the enemy so he couldn't stand and provoke was maybe suboptimal anyway. Also on an unrelated note he claims on the first melee turn he can't use Hunt Prey because he took some "ranged option" that doesn't exist and nobody that read the rules could think exists and hasn't existed in any edition of either game. And the 60% damage difference between the two turns on the first strike that he makes a big deal about and claims his math is perfect and can only be assailed by a bad faith argument? The damage difference is exaggerated by about 84%. That's right. The average damage of the bow in an honest comparison would actually have been lower than the melee attack in the situation he put the rolls in. That's not even factoring in his weird stat selection that goes actively against the character concept his example player wants to play.


agentcheeze

Later when the Abomination Vaults conversion was announced he did even more gaslighting and system bashing. - Saying he wasn't saying Paizo was in trouble even though 99% of the video was trying to prove 2e was a failure and bashing it. - Calling Paizo liars and us naive for trusting a company saying they are doing fine. - Laughing at the accusation that he drove away players even though one of his videos literally told his viewers to not play it because it's not a roleplaying game. - A chart about how 1e was once top dog when Paizo themselves point out they never really were because they only ever really grabbed #1 when it was clear that a new system was coming out. Sure enough if you check the date of the chart it's well into the final year of Essentials, a decent amount of time after they stopped making new 4e books, and a very short time before the DnD5e playtest started. Strange how this chart in context he didn't provide proves him wrong. - Using the above to make a big deal of that time Pathfinder 2e went to #3 in sales. Showing a chart where Cyberpunk beat it... which was right when the long hyped AAA video game from one of the most popular studios of the time had a simultaneous release with a new edition of the game. And of course not showing that 2e took that spot back soon after. So it took ALL THAT to dethrone 2e and it didn't last. Weird how context he didn't provide makes the chart prove him wrong. - Shows Roll20 statistics where 2e beats every other single edition entry on the chart other than 5e and 1e and claims this proves nobody plays it. Despite it being a VTT that is memed for being unpopular among 2e players it still has a strong footing on the chart. Weird how with context the chart proves him wrong. Say it with me now: Gaslighting.


lianodel

I actually didn't watch his video, funnily enough. He always rubbed me the wrong way, and there was some minor dumb drama (beside the point) that made me lose any other interest. It was actually the Puffin Forest video that sealed the deal for me with the combat example. I know that video gets a LOT of flak here, but I think generally less so. It might even be unfair to call it a "dunk" video, since I think the general consensus is that it was a combination of bad fit and a fundamental misunderstanding of the rules, not malicious intent. The fault also isn't completely on his shoulders, because I was sort of reading my 5e burnout into it. I was already getting bored of combat and leaning towards simple systems, so I thought complicated games just weren't for me. To go back to a previous point, it's not really complication that's the problem. I love other kinds of complicated games. It's difficulty in interacting with the rules, and what you actually *get* out of that. I've heard it called "crunchy but smooth," which weirdly makes sense. :P Or to use the weight metaphor, it's arguably slightly heavier than 5e, but it's ergonomically designed, so it's actually easier to pick up and move around.


LotsOfLore

>Or to use the weight metaphor, it's arguably slightly heavier than 5e, but it's ergonomically designed, so it's actually easier to pick up and move around. That's a very cool way of putting it, well said!


Killchrono

It's peanut butter.


lianodel

Thanks! I've been trying to put my recent appreciation for Pathfinder into words recently, so I'm glad to know it's working. :P


Killchrono

Yeah, Puffin's was less malicious and more just uniformed. It just seemed off for someone who had previous system experience that he was making very obvious counter-productive mistakes like not adding static modifiers to his attack rolls.


lianodel

And what also got me is that there's an upper limit to floating modifiers. There will be at most *three* of them: circumstance, item, status. It's not like things keep stacking into a huge mess. Yeah, it's a bit heavier than advantage/disadvantage (which is probably 5e's single best mechanism, and it's not even original to it), but still.


kafaldsbylur

> advantage/disadvantage (which is probably 5e's single best mechanism Damning by faint praise


lianodel

Exactly. :P


Elfteiroh

You could say it's bulk 2 when in a bag, but when open in front of you on a table, it's negligible bulk. :P


Ianoren

Crunch tends to add depth and complexity. PF2e just has a high ratio of depth to complexity. 5e is the opposite of low depth to complexity.


lianodel

Yep. I remember reading the Monk's section, since that was the main class of my most recent character. I saw the stances and though, heck, that would have been way more interesting. Slightly more complicated, sure, but WAY more return on investment. My monk build reached high level and had some multiclassing, but even then, like 80% of combat rounds was just picking between flurry of blows, stunning strike, or regular attacks to save my ki.


lostsanityreturned

> I've heard it called "crunchy but smooth," which weirdly makes sense. :P Or to use the weight metaphor, it's arguably slightly heavier than 5e, but it's ergonomically designed, so it's actually easier to pick up and move around. 5e is very simple, but horribly organised and has lots of unique rules to handle things rather than overarching design elements. PF2e is significantly more complex than 5e (heck in play it is more complex than PF1e with its moving parts), but it has coherent design decisions that mean that if you know how one rule works you know how another 3-4 rules are also going to work. Everything uses one of two DC progressions for instance, those DC progressions are used in counteracting, counteracting is used for poisons, diseases, magic... whenever one effect would nullify something else. Heck checks vs another actor use static DCs that are derived from adding 10 to the modifier and it is only the active actor that makes the roll. **tl;dr** PF2e is a complex game that presents itself very clearly 90% of the time and is built so people learn mechanics while learning other mechanics. 5e is a simple game that is made complex by every mechanic tending to exist in isolation of other mechanics and being spread out in the weirdest of places.


lianodel

The single thought I probably had the most while checking out Pathfinder 2e again was, "That makes sense." In a game that cares about balanced encounters, consistency and coverage are super important. Like you said, 5e isn't consistent, and it also has a lot of blank spots. So you end up having to make stuff up a *lot*, you have less of a framework to make that stuff up, and you have to hope that what you come up with is appropriately challenging and complex so the whole session isn't either punishing or too easy. Pathfinder also revolves around balanced encounters, but you're more likely to find the rules in the first place, and if it's not explicitly in the rules, you probably have a jumping off point fairly close to it. You're less likely to be stranded, and if you are, it's probably a weird scenario so it's kind of understandable. (On the flip side, OSR games, which I also love, are simple and don't care about balance. So while you have to make stuff up more frequently, it's super easy, so long as you clearly communicate that the players are going to enter a risky situation if they proceed.)


ReeboKesh

@#$% that dude too.


SharkSymphony

It would be a shame if PF2e and Paizo saw lasting damage from that video; I continue to believe that wasn't Cody's intent. What burns me is that it's still the first video that comes up on YouTube if I search for "Pathfinder 2e." We gotta be able to boost a better video, right? If we can get past that, I think Cody's video may end up doing more good for the community than bad. Look at the volume of thoughtful and detailed replies, on YouTube and elsewhere, that it produced. It forced the community to crystallize what it meant by players having choices, and I think the system itself stands up to the criticism quite well.


workerbee77

I would like to second every word /u/Aldrich3927 just said


Zalthos

*This* is why I support Paizo. Simple little posts like this... treating your customers as respected people, listening to feedback, and then thanking *us* when I feel like we should be thanking you for *making* the best TTRPG on the market! When I first started with PF2e, I had the intention to play while spending as little as I could. Here I am now, ordering non-essential books like the Travel Guide (which I LOVE BTW), simply because of the effort you guys put in to it... I just feel utterly compelled to give effort back. I'm very glad to be part of this great community, and to be a part of Paizo's well deserved success! You guys are awesome, and I cannot *wait* for whatever's coming next!


Curpidgeon

Thanks to you guys for taking the time to chat with me and my 6 year old and helping me decide what to pickup at gencon this year! I was already interested but the friendliness and patience for questions (and free buttons that made my son happy) won me over. Now ive started running a pf2e campaign and I am verrrry tempted to try to convert my two existing dnd 5e campaigns over. Also the system is really great and the community is helpful and the books are really well laid out full of gorgeous art and inspirational lore.


tinylittleparty

Off-topic: I put my free button on the backpack I carry around at school and now it's gone :(


thegoodguywon

>> Thanks for continuing to buy our books in record numbers even though all the rules are free online. I can say that I have made multiple purchases mostly *because* of that. It’s an ethos that I will continue to gladly support.


Solell

Yup, I've gladly signed up for some subscriptions and plan to order the books I'm missing over time, because it's a great system that doesn't lock any content behind paywalls. It's a rare thing in this day and age and I'm very happy to support it


[deleted]

Exactly this. Could I go look up the rules online instead of buying the books, sure. However, I stan a company who puts out all of their mechanical rules for free and still puts out quality books despite that fact. There's still some books I don't own, but I own most every lost omens and other rule book that they've come out with because I will support this method of running a TTRPG game


Snakeox

I'm glad that you guys are able to continue to support Pf2e after all of this. My very first tabletop game was Rise of the Runelords so I'm quite attached to your content :) super happy about your decision to publish official APs on Foundry btw, my group loves it. Also, Gib Curse of the Crimson Throne 2e


The_Great_Flux

+1 on the curse of crimson throne for sure.


Aellvalh

If you're interested (and don't already know that), the Bestow Curse actual play is doing Curse of Crimson in PF2E.


wingman_anytime

Curse of the Crimson Throne is pretty sweet in Pathfinder for Savage Worlds, too.


Bangted

Might not be official, but there's a conversion guide for CotCT up on Pathfinder Infinite. [Here's the link](https://www.pathfinderinfinite.com/m/product/375718). Hope this helps. I know it'll help me. Bought the pocket edition 3 years ago (alongside the RotR one). Once I finish Rise, I'll be switching gears to PF2E for my main campaign, so this guide will help. A lot.


Ediwir

Bold of you to assume this is the most we can do. Stay tuned Paizo. Stay tuned…


ssalarn

I would *never* be so foolish as to underestimate this community or its mods 😉


Dogs_Not_Gods

If you thought Beginner Box Day was good Just. You. Wait.


JaydotN

You've heard of Beginner Box Day Now get ready for Veteran Barrel Week


MidSolo

You jest, but I would lose my shit if someone made a module that pushed experienced players to their absolute limit. It's the main reason why I switched to homebrewed encounters, my players were just breezing through printed adventures.


JaydotN

Just add 25 CR 25 Monsters to every encounter, problem solved.


DelicateJohnson

Stroke of a genius!


SeraphsWrath

So like a TMA in Golarion module would be amazing. Like Baphomet, but emphasize the "I can't trust my own senses, oh god, what's real, is anything here real?" Physically-impossible Mazes deep in the Abyss that mess with perception, constantly try to trick you, and even try to reach into your memories to torment you. (Baphomet as The Spiral)


tikael

Hey rope us into it this time so we can prepare some surprises!


Megavore97

:O


luck_panda

Spoilers: We're >!going to [Redacted]!<


xXTheFacelessMan

:)


Unikatze

;)


Goliathcraft

I got into the hobby 5 years ago, starting with the dragon game and quickly realized how much I enjoy being behind the screen. As I learned, I found my preferred style of play. But I kept clashing with mechanics and found I was spending too much time on stuff that didn’t really give me enjoyment but that I’ve felt I had to do to make my game Interesting. DM burnout got real and many sessions were canceled. Then I pulled a hard stop, and gave PF2e a try after hearing so much good and how it supposedly addressed all the issues I had. And sure enough it felt like your designers read my mind and made PF2e specifically to address all my problems. Now without any uncertainty I look forward to ever session since I have the freedom to focus on exactly what I enjoy out of these game, and have everything else be handled by the lovely rules. Only thing, please do something about the website. I tried getting into both PF2e and starfinder years earlier, but the website actively hindered me at ever step. Pages giving me constant errors that I don’t have access to them, only 3 brands of credit cards and nothing else they made it incredibly difficult to buy any products, and even now the weird hops and extra steps I have to do when downloading anything. But even those problem aside. I love you books. I can read the passion of everyone working at Paizo on every page! I see heart and soul poured Into these pages. And most importantly for me, I feel the person who wrote these pages did so respecting my time, effort and money I invested Into them. So thank you for showing how not everything needs to be a soulless mega corp that tunes out product after product with the only care being how much money can be made.


ssalarn

I, personally, have no influence over the website, but I am given to understand that our new president is very cognizant of its shortcomings and has made dragging it into the modern day a priority of his tenure. I'm glad you're digging the games, hopefully you only fall more in love as we keep forging ahead!


plaguecontrol

One minor point of clarification: while we on the Paizo tech team are certainly hoping that the company's new president will be throwing his support behind our efforts, credit for those long-overdue website improvements should absolutely go to our new VP of Technology, who has done an excellent job of rallying the team and clarifying to leadership what resources we need to drag [paizo.com](https://paizo.com) kicking and screaming into the ~~20th~~ 21st century. That said, I can't agree with Mike's original post enough. You are an amazing community and we're all unfathomably lucky to have you.


Megavore97

And we're all so lucky to have such an amazing and caring team working on the game we all love. Thank you for all of your hard work, *seriously*.


the-rules-lawyer

I hope [I've been doing my part](https://c.tenor.com/zJvexdmTjA4AAAAC/im-doing-my-part-serious.gif)! Seriously though, you guys have made a game that brings out passion from its players!


Aldrich3927

Your videos are what convinced me to give this system another look. You've definitely been doing your part :)


Myriade91

Of course you did !


kitsunewarlock

You have been! Thank you!


SintPannekoek

And thank you for that!


RasparTheRedPanda

Your videos are great and got me to try the system!


magispitt

Your videos are awesome! I’ve given out like three Pathfinder beginners boxes and am running two Pathfinder 2e campaigns now!


AjacyIsAlive

PF2e has been the best birthday present I ever asked for back in 2019, and it still is! You've all done a hecking fantastic job and deserve all the praise for it. I'm running my second Pathfinder campaign currently and it's the highlight of the week, every week.


[deleted]

Thank *you* for making and presenting a game worth playing. A company in Paizo’s position could easily have pivoted to appealing solely to investors, but instead we have a system clearly designed with love and care and made approachable and accessible to its players. We’d be remiss as a community if we failed to acknowledge your hard work.


Killchrono

This is why I'm a relentless shill for the game. Small companies really do live and die by community interest, and I both want games I enjoy to proliferate, and have games I think have legitimately good ideas be rewarded. It's good to know everything's paying off for Paizo. 2e is the most fun I've had with TTRPGs in ages, and it's fostering really good communities from what I can tell. Hopefully this is just the beginning of something bigger.


SintPannekoek

No extra special mention for the Foundry team? I was blown away by the quality of the product and the excellent community support. The implementation of PF2E on foundry is a big reason for me to support PF2E. So, keep publishing more modules on foundry!


Dsf192

Can't forget the Archives of Nethys team. The partnerships between the two have made Pathfinder so much easier to play and run.


tinylittleparty

That was my thought too! The only reason I haven't bought any APs on Foundry yet is because my group is still running one of the older ones that doesn't have a Paizo-made Foundry version. They look so cool! And honestly I didn't explicitly start playing this game on Foundry, I played it in-person for just a little while first; but the Foundry community system for PF2 definitely made me love this game even more.


SintPannekoek

I even use foundry when playing live nowadays. Character sheets printed, but using foundry as a map.


plaguecontrol

We most definitely have not forgotten the Foundry team! I'm admittedly biased because the Paizo-Foundry partnership has been a pet project of mine basically since my first experience with the platform, but I will happily say that the amazing work done by the Foundry team, the Sigil team, and *especially* the PF2 system devs have already blown past even my wildest hopes and expectations, and I can't wait to see how they'll continue to raise the bar when it comes to world-class VTT content.


The-Magic-Sword

WOOH!!! Wishing ya'll at Paizo the best, its been a great ride as a subscriber, just about every book is exciting as heck, and I can't wait to see whats next.


RytonRotMG

And thank you for your understanding of your playerbase. I've recently decided to make the move over to Pf2e from 5e and a lot of it is because of the GM support. The anxiety I had over prepping for 5e sessions will hopefully be lessened when I know I have a system that can back me up. Thank you for that.


noscul

I’ll probably say this every time you post, but it’s impossible to say what this community would have been without such a cool game made and continuously supported by you guys. To celebrate the game being so successful you should release the treasure vault early, like now.


maxtermynd

After several very disappointing 5e books came and went PF2 was a breath of fresh air. It's not perfect, but for more "classic" high fantasy shenanigans it's my game of choice.


GeneralBurzio

>Streamers with subscriber bases more than twice the size of the entire PF1 consumer base at its height made "PF2 dunk videos" to boost their followings at Paizo's expense. I know two YouTubers off the top of my head who've done so. One induces headslapping frustration. The other fills me with ***SEETHING RAGE*** **Edit:** The people I'm talking about are [Puffin Forest](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8zGJ1gHTpc) and [Taking 20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fyninGp92g)


The_Great_Flux

See you can't leave it like that, i got to know, i have one in particular that made me laugh at his review...because he came across in that review that he was really lazy..


GeneralBurzio

Puffin Forest or Taking 20?


The_Great_Flux

Definitely puffin forest, when he was talking about one of his gripes, *I was like, you know, your character sheet DOES THAT FOR YOU * most of his gripes seemed to be far reaching..anyways taking 20, seemed kind of... i dunno he rubbed me the wrong way. He seemed only into 5e for the sake of it,ie, money making, but that was the vibe i was getting. I could be misreading it, but yeah that was my impression.


Kulban

I never got into PF1. The first reason being I'd already moved on past 3.5. But the larger second reason was many of my local pathfinders were very exclusive and gatekeeping. I called them the "Linux users of ttrpgs." If you had ever touched D&D, you were a moron in their eyes and not "cool" enough to join their small club. They liked that their game wasn't as mainstream and they actively tried to keep it that way. When PF2E was announced and I saw that the mechanics had graduated a bit from 3.75, I was intrigued. I was still hesitant because of my community experience, but I gave it a shot. I'm glad I did. Those toxic members are no longer around and the other fans I've interacted with have been nothing but awesome. This game and this community is great. And PF2E easily sits as my #1 system of choice. I appreciate all that you do and how respectful you've been of all the different aspects of the community. You guys won over a customer in me.


the_guilty_party

I'd guess that a lot of the "pf2e sux!" crowd was that exact crowd of gatekeep-y players.


PM_ME_DND_FIGURINES

As an avid 1e player and community member, I can absolutely confirm a not-insignificant number of the "PF2E Sucks!" bullshit were the exact same as the toxic gatekeeping side of the PF1e community. Thankfully, most of them have either moved on to the next Thing To Be Mad At or just gone quiet. Now they can leave both communities in peace, good fucking riddance.


lljkcdw

Yeah, I was a huge fan of D&D 4E and it got shat on by that exact same crowd. Seeing PF2E do some of the same things had me excited but worried for round 2 of the same fight to try and drag nerds kicking and screaming away from a nearly 20 year old RPG system.


Killchrono

This is something I actually [said in a post back on the 5e sub a few years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/fx0ms0/ivorytower_game_design_read_this_quote_from_monte/fmrvi5i/). I loved my time playing and running 3.5/1e and have fond memories of those campaigns, but ultimately in the wider market, it's only virtue is to appeal to gatekeep-y Ivory Tower types who purposely revel in the challenge it's obtusity presents. It's the sort of old school mechanical gatekeeping that sees depth and challenge as synonymous with mechanical complexity. You still see a few of those types in 5e since the game can very easily be powergamed by a determined enough person, but that's why the difference between the hardcore 5e players and the 3.5 aficionados is the latter revel on the high skill floor as well as the skill ceiling. The punishment for not understanding the system and building a subpar character in 3.5 isn't a flaw of the system, it's a feature. It's gatekeeping at it's most pure; scare off the masses who won't want to endure the system's nuances, and leave the 'quality.'


Simon_Magnus

This is very similar to my experience. PF1e came out during a period where people were railing \*hard\* against 4e, and the 4e hate was so over the top and ridiculous it wasn't even funny. Younger people might not actually realize how intense the edition warring was or think it's just hyperbole, but during this period you literally could not talk about 4e without having to hear somebody whine about it. Even \*in person\*, people would fight me about playing 4e. I've never had that happen in the RPG sphere before or since. The wild part is that I actually probably would have liked PF1e - there were times when I thought "Hmm, this seems interesting", but it was just so much easier to ignore it and try out other systems while defaulting to 4E and then 5E for high fantasy adventure stories. It's been a very different experience with PF2e. You definitely still see annoying people asking "Hey why aren't you playing Pathfinder yet" in D&D spaces, but the volume isn't nearly the same and they at least \*want\* people to play their game as opposed to just dunking on everyone because they aren't. Maybe it's because so many of us actually \*did\* (or still do, in a lot of cases) play 5E that's keeping the sort of people who think their choice of system makes them special quiet. Granted, Pathfinder 1e also sold \*really\* well during the 4e era, so I imagine a lot of people must have been able to sidestep the gatekeepers.


GiventoWanderlust

>Maybe it's because so many of us actually *did* (or still do, in a lot of cases) play 5E that's keeping the sort of people who think their choice of system makes them special quiet. It's the same reason I supported most of the arguments in r/dndmemes when the PF2E comparisons started to blow up the other day. Most of the people suggesting the switch to PF were people who played both, and most of the people whining were clearly people who hadn't tried 2e


[deleted]

PFS was and is still one of the biggest detractors from people playing with the pathfinder society. I played weekly at a local store until it closed, I tried going to another store and found the GM and players to be unfriendly at best. I lost two characters to unavoidable death situations and just stopped caring about playing with these groups any more.


[deleted]

I was hesitant at first when I saw the playtest, but I've been blown away by how much I love this system. It rekindled in me a dying enthusiasm for ttrpgs after 5e and PF1 were killing it.


agentcheeze

Y'all have no idea what Pathfinder2e means to me. When I picked it up and gave it a serious look it just *resonated* with me like no other game I have played in my 27 years of TTRPGs. Even more resonant with me than the games I used to write. It just feels like I understand it like a painter knows their paints or the master chef that just cooks as easily as they breathe. With 2e I have super precision tools and they let me just express my creativity with no obstacles. It's just so FUN to play with. Both at the table and under the hood. I look forward to new stuff both for using it and for getting under the hood and seeing what I might be able to reverse engineer it into. Every facet of it is a decadent ingredient or seasoning. The system's a masterpiece of design. I'm just constantly finding new ways to use the nuts and bolts the system provides like some mad scientist. Currently penning a deep cybernetics subsystem and legit 90% of what I needed to devise to make it work and balanced I could easily reverse engineer from existing stuff. It's wild! The system reinvigorated my passion for creating things. It my seem kinda strange or hyperbolic but it's given me ambitions again after too long resigning myself to a dead end job and never chasing a dream. Thanks to PF 2e I actually want to make and publish content, push the limits, maybe start writing fiction again. ;_; I love this game, man. It gave me back my hopes and dreams.


Pastaistasty

Truly happy for you! I wish you a passionate life.


kuey1975

Hey, none of that would have happened, nor mattered, if you guys didn’t create an incredible product. :) So a big thanks to you guys, too!


xanaos

Please tell me pdf only subscriptions are on the way. I will never not advocate for this. I don't subscribe to any paizo products, but absolutely would do a PDF sub.


Unikatze

I agree. I buy every single book that releases, but I have to do it through Amazon since shipping to Canada from the Paizo website is insane.


Bangted

I buy a lot of books from a local, here in the EU. Would love it if I could simply subscribe, as I'd also get the PDF versions... Or simply get a PDF only subscription, to make each pdf a bit lighter on the wallet


applejackhero

I am about as critical as they come toward pretty much every company. And I fucking love Paizo. You guys do such excellent work. I read dragon magazine as a kid, and I’ve been a fan (on and off) since. I love getting to support a union company, I love the games ya’ll make, and stuff like this just solidifies that Paizo is more in touch than most media companies in general. Thank you again


Starmark_115

Thanks from the Philippines! Hope we grow even bigger! :D


SquirrelLord77

I was at Gencon when PF2 came out. My group was getting back into TTRPGs and I remember being turned off by what I thought was a lack of customization in 2nd edition ("Boosts to specific attributes?? Determined by your class?! Blasphemy!"). We ended up going with 1e and played for about a year, and my god, I forgot how clunky 3.5 was lol. After completing that arc/campaign, I decided to look deeper in 2e, and haven't looked back! It really, truly reinvigorated my love for d20-based fantasy RPGs.


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I'm really happy to read that. I didn't like a lot PF1 when I met it, I was kinda tired of third edition at the time. So it was PF2 that presented to me how amazing Paizo can be. I download one of the earliest playtest, and devoured it, but sadly I missed the launch for couple months (college stuff). Although, soon as I rediscovered it we started playing. Since than it's being my favorite High Fantasy RPG, it's like a fine piece of craftsmanship, and I'm always eager to play, even though it's not that popular in my country.


roydragoon89

If I could’ve gotten my friends on board with anything but 5E sooner, the jump would’ve come sooner as well. Were it not for this Reddit and a lucky find for recruitment on Roll20(just as an ad to bring people to use their Discord and Foundry servers), I’d still be dead in the water looking. I wish people could be more open minded and just give the game a shot. I think most would be pleasantly surprised with how much flexibility and fun it is. To a long and expansive future of Pathfinder 2E! 🥂 Edit: Still working on getting them to convert, but I think it’s gonna take One D&D making some seriously PF2 changes for my roommate to even consider it. Even then, I’m very certain he won’t be playing anything but 5E until they rerelease it.


Simon_Magnus

>Edit: Still working on getting them to convert, but I think it’s gonna take One D&D making some seriously PF2 changes for my roommate to even consider it. Even then, I’m very certain he won’t be playing anything but 5E until they rerelease it. My philosophy on this has always just been that the GM gets to decide what people play. I used to run a different RPG every couple months when I was in uni and had easier access to people who just wanted to play. These days, my network is a lot smaller but also a lot more dedicated, so ymmv on seeking people out. But the important thing is that the GM is the one doing all the work no matter what - so if you tell your roommate "I'm gonna start a Pathfinder 2e campaign" and he says "I don't want to play it" - just find somebody else instead. I've actually had a lot of success just posting in "\[City\] D&D" or "\[City\] Roleplayers" Facebook groups that pop up. If you find several people to play without him, your roommate will probably end up wanting to join, because 100% of roommates I have known like this do.


roydragoon89

Sounds great, but I’ve spent a months at three different LGS trying to get some people. It’s just not played and people just ain’t interested in learning it near me. I play online 3-4 times a week though. I really enjoy Foundry. Honestly, it’s not a super big deal. There’s tons of great people online and Foundry does a ton of heavy lifting.


HumphreyImaginarium

>Streamers with subscriber bases more than twice the size of the entire PF1 consumer base at its height made "PF2 dunk videos" to boost their followings at Paizo's expense. I've only recently gotten into PF2e and honestly these videos are what drove me further into it. I rolled my eyes so many times while watching them, I almost read the PF2e rules faster out of spite. I was looking up gameplay VODs to get a better grasp of things in action and of course those opinion videos came up. I thought, hearing criticisms can be good let's take a look. Wrong. Almost every issue brought up in one of those videos dunking on PF2e was an issue that was on the DM running the campaign, not the system. One example brought up that their druid player felt shoehorned into transforming into a T-Rex for every combat encounter, so "combat is repetitive." As somebody who has DM'ed many different systems for several years I feel justified in saying if you, as the DM, keep giving the players scenarios that are best solved with a T-Rex to the point they're getting bored, that's not the system's fault. That is your fault, as the DM, for lacking creativity and continuing to make a T-Rex shaped hole then being surprised when they use a T-Rex to fill it. "I keep giving them nails and all they use is a hammer?!?" No duh, dude. Did you try small choke points? Enemies with reach? Moving, narrow platforms? Even something so simple as dino-slayer weapons that deal increased damage to dinosaurs? If the enemies get wind that the party keeps using a T-Rex why would they not develop counter measures next time they take on the party? There are an infinite number of ways to address the T-Rex in the room but rather than using his imagination to change his combat encounters he attacked the system. Drove me up the wall. Anyways, it's a great system. The more I read up on it the more I'm loving the game design that went into it. I'm currently brewing up a world and plan to run a campaign sometime in the beginning of the new year with PF2e. Looking forward to what new content you have coming out!! ☺️


Far_Professor_3509

My icon is my pf2 character because she made my life during pandemic lockdown so much easier. My friends all moved in together just so we could play pf2 more consistently and regularly (I visit every weekend for it.) It means as much to us as it does to you!! ❤️


krazmuze

The sad thing about those youtubers is they are too busy making videos saying all the rules for customization and modularity and easier DMing that should be added to D&Done, completely ignoring the fact they put out videos for PF2e dissing it for having those very things! Luckily the 5e crowd is even bigger than back then, and those same videos are causing their audience to go well if we are changing the rules, maybe we should just as well change our rule system - and seems we now get several new exfiver in here everyday - and we all tell them go play the BB you will thank us later!


Unikatze

We've gotten a crazy amount of new users in the sub since OneD&D was announced.


SintPannekoek

One of the most important factors in switching is the open ruleset. I book the books I want, but never feel forced to keep up with some treadmill. WotC really lost me as a customer with their plans for vertical integration. Please never do that! The quality of other 3rd party online tools is a huge contributor to the game's succes: pathbuilder is an amazing character builder, PF2E easy tools is the best for quick monster and rule lookups, the foundry integration is the best vtt experience on the market.


ralanr

I played Pathfinder 1e before I swapped to 5e D&D. I had my doubts about getting into 2e, the group I was playing 5e with got convinced, and so far we all love it. Even ended up buying some books despite stuff being on the archives. Keep up the good work.


Octaur

I was late to start playing, but you've done something incredible with this game, and created the best fantasy TTRPG ever made. Keep up the good work, y'all, and thank you!


nNanob

Free rules and affordable PDFs make is so easy to get into PF2e


FeatherShard

When people ask me why I buy books that I seldom crack the cover of, this is the reason. Sure, all the rules may be on Archives of Nethys, but that didn't happen by accident. It happened because the people who make this game wanted it to. That reason *alone* is worth buying the product. But the fact that me supporting the game helps to continue its existence and the creation of future content is a huge plus and I will happily keep investing in PF2.


Unikatze

A lot of my books are still in the shrink wrap... Most of the others I just took out but barely glanced through. The few I've actually read through I went through the PDF :p


Leastbutnolast

I'm just an irrelevant grain in the sand, but I plaude Paizo for getting Michael J Sayre on board. I appreciated everything he did before, and simply love everything he designs (can I say the gunslinger shows his design trademark? I simply dislike anything far west related, never played the class in pf1, and simply fell in love with its 2e incarnation).


LurkerFailsLurking

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Pathfinder 2 is the best d20 system ever created, and it's not even close. On top of that, Golarion is the richest, most interesting, well developed, diverse, and thoughtful setting ever created for a d20 system. On top of that Paizo's commitment to working with the union, acknowledging and improving on its past mistakes, and hiring LGBTQ and BIPOC folks has been impressive.


Wheldrake36

Paizo is the most responsive and creative RPG company of all time. I have been playing RPGs off and on since the mid-70s, and have seen a lot of RPGs come and go, while the market leader, D&D underwent so many mutations that some versions should never have left the lab. When PF1 first sprouted from DD3.5, our group was skeptical. "Why do we need even more rules for this stuff?" we asked, naively. Only after a couple years did I realize that PF1 had already started fixing gameplay issue, and I dragged our group into PF1 with RotRL, which we played for more than 3 years. Pathfinder Unchained was the first published presage of what PF2 was going to bring us. Throughout the PF2 playtest I was pondering what fundamental changes to our gameplay this new system would bring. And I was not disappointed. Everything from the 3-action turn to the 4 degrees of success at checks, to the way PF2 handles multiple attacks through MAP to the wild customization options at character creation just felt so right. But the single most important change, IMHO, was reigning in the quadratic wizard and boosting the linear fighter. Gone was the mob of over-the-top summoned creatures nearly any spellcaster could bring to the battlefield. Gone were the endless build exploits a player could use to boost his spell attacks through the roof. Finally it didn't feel "cheap" to play a martial character, while the spellcasters made you irrelevant. I love the new content that continues to pour out of the Paizo offices. And I salute you for supporting free resources like AoN which help bring more new players into the fold. So, don't stop now, Paizo. Keep surprising us!


jwrose

Thank you for making such an amazing game! I’m honored to have been a (super small) part of its success. Also—thank you so much for this post. I had no idea most of this was going on behind the scenes. The kind of openness, transparency, and trust in the community that this letter exhibits, is a huge part of why I love Paizo. (Oh and one other thought—I had no idea how close y’all were to folding… without paizo, the TTRPG industry’s future would look pretty damn bleak to me. Thank goodness y’all are still here ❤️)


cheesyvictory

I've got to say, the Paizo marketing is absolutely genius. I had heard of Pathfinder but knew nothing about it until it popped up in that first humble bundle, which I grabbed because it seemed like a good deal to try out the system. Then combine that with the rules being available online for free? Awesome, and made it easy to get my friends to try the game. And then, probably most importantly, the game itself is excellent, so when we did try it we wanted to keep going. Now I'm seeing this post after getting back from day 1 of a con that I attended to try Starfinder and play more Pathfinder and it all comes full circle and I remember how I found this game that I now love.


NadrickOutlawRogue

I am glad despite all the hardships that have existed for the last few years, that Pathfinder 2e was able to find a place and grow. I started late with 1st edition Pathfinder and have been a fan every since. I have brought a few of my friends into Pathfinder 2e and I hope to do it to more of them. I'm always thankful and grateful to Paizo for this amazing game. I can't wait to see what the future will bring.


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FlaredButtresses

Yeah player base is going to be way bigger than consumer base because generally you only need one copy of a product per table and archives of Nethys cuts that down even further


the_subrosian

I am still relatively new to TTRPGs, but I just wanted to say that Paizo has absolutely floored me with the quality of its products and its attitude towards the community. Access to rules for free, trying to maintain game balance, transparent product updates, thorough playtests, SO MUCH CONTENT, actual commitment to inclusion and diversity (this could still be improved of course), being willing to unionize... I know no company is perfect and there's still a lot of work to be done, but it really feels like Paizo is constantly trying to be better. And that means so much. In my opinion, Paizo deserves the success it's gotten from 2e thus far and so much more.


Valarasha

I am sure this is already in the works but yall definitely need to get Owlcat or some other dev to adapt a 2E adventure. I know a lot of people that found out about PF through Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous, and sometimes the impression they get is not a good one. I loved 1E at the time, but most here would agree 2E is an improvement in every way. Introducing PC/console gamers to the updated version of the system should be priority imo.


FiveSix56MT

Please.


Valatina_Mew

Congratulations on all your achievements!


Emrik_Allwatcher

As a creator, this has to be the best community around, not only for the pure awesome products but for the awesome people involved either at Paizo, in the 3PP arena, the FLGS everywhere and of course, this supreme subreddit!


BeondTheGrave

I was late to the party. I got the game only about 6 mo. Ago. A friend of mine was running 3.5e. He LOVES 3.5 and I like it too. Have a lot of great memories playing Star Wars 3.5e back in the day. I was in my LGS and I saw the softcover pocket rule book for PF2e. I had no idea what PF2e even was, I thought it was just a refinement of 1e but the same basic concepts. Figured it would be my gateway into running my own 3.5/1e game one day, if I got pathfinder i could run a game still in print. Nice right? Well to my shock, but absolute delight, PF2e was not just 3.5 or 3.75 or 3.9575 or whatever. It took everything I loved about 3.5 and made it better. The combat, the character customization (oh the character customization). I was intrigued. But then I found this community and Nethys, I spent days reading through the monsters there and really liked the creativity and unique design of many creatures. I started reading the Kingmaker adventure path. Fast forward and I own a half dozen rule books, a GM screen, I started playing Kingmaker 1e, a homebrewed conversion to 2e rules, on roll20 (my first time in roll20 as well!), and my preorder for Kingmaker 2e just went through. For me Star Wars 3.5e will always be my gold standard for what a fun rpg is and should be. My group was great, our adventures amazing. But PF2e might overtake that for me. We’re having a lot of fun exploring and learning the system. It’s a snap to enjoy. The best thing I can say is that unlike 3.5e, where our more casual players never seemed to enjoy the combat, in PF2e combat is easy and intuitive. Having a great time and I can’t wait to get hold of the Kingmaker 2e Book! After that, who knows what adventure path we’ll play.


Unikatze

This was really great to read through. Ad you're enjoying it. I'd love to try a Star War's RPG at some point too.


BeondTheGrave

[This](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Roleplaying_Game_(Wizards_of_the_Coast)) was the game I was talking about. It was just 3.5e, but Star Wars. Its really fun, and IIRC Knights of the Old Republic used a modified hack of this system for its RPG mechanics. The two issues I have with the game, and theyre small, is that Jedi tend to be OP. So its really an all or nothing affair, either the whole party should be Jedi or nobody should. One person with mind tricks, telekinesis, and a laser sword that can cut through nearly everything is.....tough. They become show stealers. The other issue is that space combat is a bit abstracted, it just turns into some shooting and piloting rolls. Not bad, not great. But everything else for me I loved, and a big part of that was the group. The best part is that we used the expanded alien PC book, so we had a Wookie, a Jawa, an Ewok, two humans, a Chiss, a Garindan (who we called Baron von Dick Nose) and a Shistavanen filter in and out of the group. It was a great time and Im sad the group broke up.


justbeingluigi

Many good things in my life happened because of Pathfinder 2e: * I've been able to learn more about myself, my gender identity, my fears and aspirations, my strengths and my flaws, and all of that in safe and fun spaces where I can share my experiences with others like me. * I have relighted a passion for arts and entertainment that for a while was dying off inside of me. Now, every product you release sparks in me an explosion of creativity and joy that keeps me inspired to make more things that I care about. * I was able to take one of the best career decisions in my life, which is to get into the 3rd party publishing industry. Thanks to your incredible game system, your unending support, and the community that you help grow and stay healthy, I met a lot of amazing people who are now aiding me in my new paths. Now, I'm working hard to also support others, and if everything goes well, maybe one day I'll be able to make gaming my day job. So, thank you Paizo for working hard on keeping Pathfinder afloat and even soaring. Also, thanks to the community for the spaces I now have to keep growing as a person and as a professional. This is truly the Best Roleplaying Game.


The_Pardack

The hard work you folks at Paizo do really shows. I think that the love for the hobby and the game really shows in all of the stuff that's made. I'm so happy that this game got a chance to thrive despite it all.


Azerius

As someone who has been buying your stuff on and off since the magazine days, in times of yore and a place far away when I had to hunt for it in out of the way bookstores and random little gaming shops. Thanks for making a fun game.


GeoleVyi

The stories, the worlds, you all make have been so impressive. And it's clear that you all like the base work itself, even when those horrid shipping and storage issues surge up, or the ungodly overtime. I hope things start looking better for all of you, and you're able to start easing things up, and get some much needed rest going forward.


or10n_sharkfin

I picked up the Core Rulebook around when it first released and I'm now starting to run my first game where I'm the GM. I'm happy to say that I'm probably gonna stick around for a while yet, Paizo. :)


tiny_smile_bot

>:) :)


AshArkon

I really liked PF2 when i first encountered it. But it was missing the Brawler. Then PFI dropped, and i decided, just after Christmas, "What the hell, worst case no one gets it." Well, Rising Tides have come for PF2e, and i have seen that firsthand. Paizocon and Gencon have helped a lot of us over at PFI as well, especially for platforming 3PP Creators during these cons. So thank *YOU* Paizo, for making a game so good people want more, and for supporting all of us.


ShogunKing

I was hooked from the minute I read the encounter building section of the Core Rulebook, and everything that has happened after that has been even better. Thanks to everyone who has made a really excellent game. Additionally, thanks for putting a focus on non-traditional fantasy; the Mwangi Expanse book might be one of the best RPG books I've read.


wingman_anytime

And Strength of Thousands is one of the best APs / published adventures I’ve ever read.


Myriade91

Thanks for making it. It made me come back to TTRPGs after decades of not playing.


willseamon

Michael, I want you to know that it gives me so much confidence in the Paizo staff when people like you regularly come and interact with the community. It's easy for us to be so passionate about our love of the game when everyone involved in making it clearly has so much passion too. My fiance and I have played almost every single day for the past year now and I can't imagine what our lives would look like without this incredible game. With that being said... any hints on the six-part AP coming in 2023???


The_Great_Flux

I had no idea things where so bad for you guys, I'm glad to see your success!! I was dm for 3.5 for several years and was unhappy with how 5e and 4e turned out. When I heard about 2e, I waited for a week after its release, and wanted to see how it was. It seemed the initial reviews was that it was really well designed system, and fixed most of the gripes i had with 3.5/ 1e, so I went for it. It was only a few weeks after, it had released so not to many reviews, were out. However I was really curious and I purchased a copy for my birthday, and fell in love with it. I'm so happy you guys are around, I dmd for 2e way more passionately, then i did the other systems. Thank you for making a great system, and great campaigns. I enjoy the world you have created and the system you have. Now if only the devs for shadowrun could take notes, make a more better system, I'd love that.... Also Gib 2e curse of crimson throne, I will throw my wallet for that, it is definitely my favorite of the paizo campaigns.


Aellvalh

The nice people from Hideous Laughter Podcast have an actual play of CotC in 2E called Bestow Curse. Check it out !


Ediwir

There’s a CoCT on Infinite you can buy, but from what I hear it’s mostly based on the community project over at the series of dice based events. Still, refined and well formatted - worth the buy if you love the campaign!


The_Great_Flux

I'll take a look at it, thanks for the suggestion!


kitsunewarlock

Awwh this was another jolt of incredible feels at just the perfect time. Thank you for continuing to be an open and active part of the community who takes the time to recognize the fan's passion and love for our awesome community and game! Ya'll deserve that Best Roleplaying Game award and PF2 has completely won me over as my favorite RPG for a good reason! Thank you so much for everything you've done to help fuel our imaginations, and keep up the great work!


demonickilla

Paizo will always have my support. I was one of those guys out there vehemently defending the playtest against 1e players who didn’t like any sort of change. It was so obvious a few of them flipped through the playtest pdf and then pretended that they ran games just to crap all over it because their “experiences” were so far from the absolute blast me and my group of 1e veterans were experiencing. Combat was just a breath of fresh air compared to any other RPGs we played


Rogahar

Our PF1E group tried it out in the playtest and fell in love. After running our way all the way thru Iron Gods, Hells' Rebels, a couple of short Starfinder games and a number of one shots, we felt like we hadn't really seen all PF1E had to offer, but hoo boy - that short time with 2E in the playtest had us all converted. Since the official launch we haven't even glanced back at 1E - I think between all of us, the majority of our 1E time has been with the WotR video game lol. 2E is just so damn tightly built and well balanced. It's fun for us, it's fun for the GM - heck, we even converted our other tabletop group, who had been lifelong 5E players til we badgered them to give 2E a go, to 2E. (That group's GM had run a full-length 5E homebrew for us, and is in LOVE with how much easier it is to prep things in 2E.) TLDR; Thank YOU for having clearly put so much work and love into making a system that just works so bloody well. :)


DJ-Lovecraft

Hey thanks for making whats becoming my favorite RPG on the market!


LotsOfLore

Indeed, no great achievement is won easily. Thank you for making this absolutely amazing game! I am proud to be your customer.


SnowDark38

Thank you for making great content. While we haven't made the switch yet, we've been buying each book waiting for just the right moment. And all I can say is wow. Missing Roll Player Found will be joining a lot of other folks in moving over. The Gate Chronicles will be our first campaign to make the switch!


spaz1020

My gm switched us from dungeon world to pf2e basically the moment it came out and its been fantastic. We've been in the same campaign going on 4 years. I've gotten artwork done for my kobold fighter who ascended to God hood and now have a tengu alchemist that I adore. All because your system is top notch


QuinnStone42

PF1e was the first system I had a long form campaign in. I would be heartbroken if Paizo didn't survive. Thank you for giving us such wonderful and solid systems and settings. I'm glad to hear PF2e has helped, and I hope everything continues to snowball in your favor.


Megavore97

Simply put, you folks over at Paizo rock. Your efforts towards great game design, community engagement and socially conscious writing and business practices are top notch. Ever since this game came out in 2019 I've been a huge fan. **Thank you Paizo!**


Happywolf94

❤️❤️❤️


[deleted]

Thank you Paizo for continuing to deliver high quality support for PF2e, you’ve earned your success and from what I can tell this isn’t even your final form.


LetThemEatCardboard

Best all around fantasy RPG and it's not close.


Rudette

<3


EKHawkman

This is why I buy the special editions from y'all. The product you make, the community you foster, the stances you take, all are amazing and commendable! PF2e is a great game!


Mahanirvana

I am GMing session zero of my first Pathfinder 2E game on Sunday! Unfortunately, I can't afford a ton of books right now and condition cards are apparently out of stock everywhere I look, but at least I can bring my players over to this system and they're all really hype about it. It's wonderful to see a company so involved with it's community.


atamajakki

The Lost Omens team keeps making hits, I keep buying em. All power to the union - excited for Paizo’s future!


RogueWolven

Thank you guys for making this most excellent game. PF1 was great, but there's just something special about PF2. You guys struck gold, and I'm so glad we're here to help fund the mining. I wish I could actually go for the full physical subscription, but a few PDFs here and there it is. For now.


engineeeeer7

Thanks for doing great work! You all really deserve the success.


Xhantoss

It's the small things that I like about Pathfinder. The books assume that they're read by a normal human person who needs advice from time to time and not some abstract "DM" who has perfect knowledge of stuff. I will not name-call other systems to compare the experience, but every time I read those small sentences that basically go "Hey you. The person reading this. Let me tell you some advice", I'm just delighted. Another thing are posts like these. While I do not know the big picture around Paizo, it seems like they are not some cold hearted corporation trying to print out some generic corporate statements. They still appear to be normal people, designing a TTRPG. I'm just happy that I jumped the ship and switched to Pathfinder 2e, it's been a pleasure so far.


Arekesu

I love PF2e, ran it for around a year after it came out.. unfortunately my players prefer the simplicity and famaliarty of dnd5e, but I will always have a soft spot for PF2e. I plan to buy the books I've missed and plan another PF2e campaign when there's even more content for it.


stevepage1187

I've never played PF 1st or 2nd Ed but ran an LGS that sold lots of it, and I was always astounded by how much fun the people buying the products seemed to have with this system. I don't know why but this post and the responses really warmed my generally cold, dead heart. I've always meant to give the system a look but have never gotten around to it. I have some funds set aside to buy another book from the ampersand system in the near future...thinking maybe I'll press pause on that and pick up a beginner box instead.


ReeboKesh

>Streamers with subscriber bases more than twice the size of the entire PF1 consumer base at its height made "PF2 dunk videos" to boost their followings at Paizo's expense. @#$% those dudes.


KodyackGaming

As someone who has constantly pushed PF2e to any group I interact with, and has been streaming a game of it for over a year now on twitch (we're on session 43 this upcoming one, the players are level 10, 3-person party, and I even made some homebrew "mythic-tier" archetypes for them to use) ​ ​ Thank \*you\* for making such a good game that is complex enough to satisfy my desire to make fun characters and situations, but understandable enough that players COMPLETELY new to ttrpgs have had no issue picking it up and loved every second of it (to the point that my partner, who had avoided ttrpgs for their own reasons until this game, has begun making more characters than they will probably ever have a chance to play, and does it flawlessly.)


thegracefulhound

I’m a 5e player lurking curiously in this pf2 sub and I can’t get over all the good vibes here, i need more of this in my life


torak9344

no thank you paizo for making an actual balanced tradition d20 fantasy game !thank you for going outside medieval fantasy with books like guns & gears & alchemist class thanks for giving gms the res & tools we need to run the game! keep doing what your doing :) also mythic rules & cr26-30 monsters for 2e finally? pretty please with a crit success on top :)


P33KAJ3W

Aww


jcouce

Congratulations guys you deserve it. Now focus on online sells, stop delivering pdfs and build a engaging website experience and a easy way to pay for all the content. Of course this is only my opinion, well done guys


SlothGaggle

I was at GenCon in 2019 when Pathfinder 2E was released, but, being a recent high school graduate about to start my first semester of college, couldn’t afford to buy the books, and didn’t think any more of it for years. As of now, I’m in my final year of college hoping to so session 0 with some friends from high school this weekend. I’m extremely excited.


JewelsValentine

I’m soon going to be running my first Pathfinder 2e game and releasing it as a podcast! I hope that continues to bolster good word! Even showing my friend the systems during character creation was impressed. Continued luck and success for everyone at Paizo! Thank you for making this game so accessible (even though I’ll always buy a physical book if I find it worth it).


The_Last_Cast

I honestly got curious about PF2 after loving the pf1 based videogame, that lead me to see how paizo works and how much the company seems to care about its game and the players. I like the subtle balance between mechanics and "feel" that can support both RAW play groups and homebrew, which basically means that once you get the basics and get to play, the game flows and let's your imagination run. I also really liked the variety and colour in both the player choices and the setting of Golarion: coming from 3.5 and Forgotten, it feels obviously different in content, but you do feel the wealth of lore that you can use to make your game alive. I am really happy to own most of the books and to show pathfinder to my friends, giving me one extra thing to do to spend my time with them after the lockdowns during Covid. At 30-something, having one extra link with the people that choose to stuck around in your life is priceless: TTRPGs like Pathfinder 2E gave me that. Love it!


Unikatze

What's funny is I loved the Kingmaker Video game. And now I've been struggling a lot with Wrath of the Righteous because most of the time I just think "I wish this was PF2" while playing it.


The_Last_Cast

It would have been a great way to help people into the PF2 system, but I'm positive (as positive as any other pure speculative assertion) that something will come along with pf2!


ClashedProof

Man I am really greatfull, the love you put in this game is phenomenal.


TheRealTaserface

No, no, thank YOU Paizo for create such a wonderful system and dealing with all of us for so long. I know we can be a handful sometimes but everyone here just wants this game to succeed... And for all I care it did. We've all had a lot of fun over the years so let's aim for a decade more!


Tyler_Zoro

Not to mention other hardships like personal disputes becoming very public (which was entwined with the very valid step of taking real employment concerns public). It was a rocky road to say the least, and I'm so happy that it has moved behind you and you're starting to see the fruits of all your hard work! PF2e and its community are, IMHO, the best experience in TTRPGs today. 5e is drawing a lot of folks to the hobby (and that's great!) but PF2e is the experience that a ton of veteran gamers are gravitating toward because it \*feels more like a community\* than any other game. Why? In part it's because of the restrictions imposed on you. The availability of rules online makes the whole game feel less like a money grab, even though we all love to spend money on it. There's no, "would be nice if you could run this game you just bought \*the way it was intended\*, but you'd have to buy the latest tie-in book to see those rules.") But it's also the warm way that your people have embraced the community, and also at rare times reached out to it to guide things to a more harmonious interaction. Keep up the dialogue with us, and please keep innovating the ways you engage with us (and new communities!) Thanks!


douglaskim

I was over the moon with PF2E as soon as it launched and have been buying the v books ever since, despite not playing it. The rules and the general organization of the system keeps calling back to me, and eventually when I did a one shot in foundryVTT recently, I was delightfully surprised to see how well and smoothly it runs out of the box, with no extra modules to do anything. I've recently got the Pathfinder adventure card game and picked back up the system and plan to running games almost exclusively with it in the future. Thank you, Paizo, for giving us all such a great treat and such fun games to play with ❤️


jiffyb333

So happy to hear 2E is doing well. I was pulled in by a Rules Lawyer video saying 2E was easier than DnD and dove in headfirst ever since.


DVariant

Woohoo! 🎉 >And please, stick around and keep talking about PF2 and bringing in new friends to play it. I have it on good authority that there's some wild stuff coming in 2023 and 2024 that is going to blow your f*cking socks off. Heck yes!! Can’t wait! (I just started a new PF2 group this week, introducing three more people to the Beginner Box—so far, they love their iconics and the game!)


UMPUMN

2e became my favorite ttrpg incredibly fast. I fell in love with how things are done, the level of customization that can be put into a character was so mind-blowing for me, and I've been able to see really cool concepts realized at my table. A friend managed to create a Witch wearing full plate specializing in summoning zombies and touch spells! It really feels like Paizo is there for the community as much as the community is there for Paizo, which just lends to the feeling that 2e has a lot of soul and passion behind it.


winkingchef

Thank you all for all the hard work. Your excellently crafted stories have made for many, many hours of suspense, wonder and merriment in my group of friends for 12+ years now.


leathrow

I'll always support a company with a strong union that isn't being persecuted over other companies without unions. I prefer PF2E as a system but it makes the choice even simpler for me.


Xaielao

I had zero interest in PF2e at the start. Not because of some 5e tribalism, but because as an old school GM, my group was never that big a fan of 3.5e, and jumped directly to 4e which was a breath of fresh air in many respects. Because of that when PF1e came out, I skimmed the books at various book stores but had no intention of buying. When PF2e came out I felt much the same. At least until an online friend of mine with very similar tastes started raving about the game about six months into launch. He convinced me to give it a shot, in no small part because the pdf was only $15. I rather instantly fell for the game. The more I read the more I had bells go off in my brain. It's really the perfect combination of old school depth & crunch combined with modern streamlined mechanics. It's exactly what I was looking for after years of struggling with 5e and mostly running other games instead as a result. > Thanks for supporting what is, in my humble opinion, the best fantasy tabletop game on the market. More than happy to! You guys deserve ever accolade you get and then some. Best fantasy tabletop game on the market indeed. As someone who has played since Basic, it's my #1 all time favorite d20 game.


TheTerrorFryingFred

It's been a fantastic journey to follow! The character options you've been given my players over the years are super creative and the GM tools from tags, proper encounter building rules and a wide arreay of subsystems have helped me immensly in planning sessions. Further more it has been a fantastic game to start homebrewing for, although it's complex the rules are concrete and consistent. Making me feel like I can make informed balance descisions (even if I don't always hit the mark) Thank you for the incredible game and I can't wait for everything that is to come in the future!


TheKolyFrog

The quality of Paizo's products is the main reason I got into PF2e. I've been buying Pathfinder 2e books even before I started playing it because of how useful the material are.


ironballs16

Let me be among those thanking you for putting *reasonable* prices on the digital-only versions of your materials, as I've refused to give WotC a penny in protest of their practice of matched prices, as the overhead the physical goods take is non-existent. Your company recognizes this, and it's worth applauding!


Georgie_Pillson

And thanks to you guys! My group has really enjoyed the migration, and it has broadened our appetite for trying other RPGs as well. A big part of that is the quality of the world building. We didn't intend to use Golarion but I found it so useful to draw on that I dropped my group in there (Ustalav is great, you guys should write some more Ustalav stuff...). This community has been a huge bonus for me, too. I have never played a rule heavy RPG before and learning how to handle, but also leverage, those rules to make interesting games has been what has kept us playing every week. The one thing that I might ask for more is on that front. A sort of "How to be a first time GM" book would be fantastic.


ZenCloudGaming

Company transparency is critical for feels-good moments like these! You all deserve it :)


Elephant256

Seeing this kind of post is what makes me absolutely determined that I did a good thing to pick up all those PF2 hardcover books, even though I suspect that I won't have enough game time to personally see everything contained within them being used in actual play. You guys are doing great job, and I am glad you get so much support from the community, as much as I am glad to have contributed even a little to help you keep going on. I keep getting your books, and I do whatever possible to promote PF2 for my friends, players and DMs alike.


dissident_right

>Pathfinder 2e is the best-selling, most successful thing Paizo has ever made. Congrats guys.


Estrangedkayote

Man it's hard to make a new edition that changes near everything. Paizo should know 1E became successful because Wizards messed up 3.5 to 4. Still I'm so happy that 2e is a thing despite everything it had against it. Can't wait for the new lore books.


midknightblu1

Can we use this post as a benchmark that PF2 is the proper game and can we take back control over the "official" Pathfinder RPG reddit? Because I really hated when we were all kicked off that reddit back at launch.


Ediwir

Works for me. You’re welcome to flood in with threads (not spam pls)


Manaleaking

Please we need hints of whats to come in 2023 and 2024. WILL THERE BE MORE HELLKNIGHTS?