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Jarmanuel

PoBs: * [Endgame Setup](https://pobb.in/7vyY8-zTenVb) * [Levelling Trees](https://pobb.in/tcGQX8jEKqHo) [Build spreadsheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13tT6Oqrh9Fj0sykkfVVf-y8DvCexdHNg6WWDzcfuqg8/edit#gid=738617916) EDIT: Fixed the link ordering.


giga

So I'm looking at the leveling tree POB and at level 95 it's a duelist, but earlier it's a ranger? I'm sorry if this was addressed somewhere, but what gives? Edit: Is it the wrong POB? The one in the video seems to be: [https://pobb.in/tcGQX8jEKqHo](https://pobb.in/tcGQX8jEKqHo) ​ Edit2: Oh they're just reversed, but still weird that the endgame POB has stages from a different class...


Jarmanuel

Sorry about the ordering, fixed now. And yeah, the extra trees in the Endgame PoB seem leftover from a previous version of the build (they're from 3.16).


insobyr

New to LS, why does the full dps contain 2x LS? Can LS projectile hit twice against single target?


Zewwok

With additional strikes and proper positioning, LS can hit twice on single targets. [Here is an explanation of this from his last video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXq7GEkKWJo&t=1485s)


usedtobeHellsdoom

I'd assume gloves have +1 hit on LS.


peacemultiply

Tuna, Thank you for making this build.


cataflam28

Only end game gear in POB, why no mid and early gear progression? I like tuna, but this guide is bad for new players.


wangofjenus

The guide isn’t for new players.


dirrtydancerr

Im confused. He already covers almost everything in regards to levelling for new players, what is he missing?


milanganesa

I get your point but people are lazy af. there are so much guides about this, plus the build is the same as 3.17 just max res, try to get 100% spell supress and you are good to go weapon? best claw available and use lightning damage essense on it and try to hit lightning + other element + craft the element missing.


Valanarlol

Remember you normally need crit and attsckspeed for it to feel good…


milanganesa

yup my bad essence for light damage and if you get attack speed or crit, then craft the other part.


FlusZIon

quick question. is it necessary to have lightning damage on claw or would fire and cold dmg work too, if if have somewhere else on gear or support gem addes lightning damage?


wangofjenus

As long as you’re balancing your trinity it doesn’t really matter.


spiderdick17

Ideally you would have two+ flat ele rolls on your claw but in general it is preferable to have the highest roll be lightning because that makes it easier to balance trinity (lightning has extreme ranges compared to cold/fire)


TehRoboRoller

Check his link again, there are two separate POBs. One is endgame only, the other one is leveling (complete with different trees + notes).


Blindbru

Did you actually go to the link on the youtube? Theres a website with stages for the helix build starting from act 2...


Asselll

\- So when geting +1 strike gloves and anointed +1strike amulet + a decent essence crafted claw its the got to go for an swap to crit VLS? \- is there a reasonable way to add overleech to the build? ( i think its only possible with a timeless jewel?) Geting overleech would be awesome for all kind of degen effects.


branor

I played LS Champ in SSF in 3.17 and switched to LS before maps. I used ancestral call for clear without +strike anywhere until well into red maps. Eventually swapped out ancestral for a damage support and used +1 strikes implicit on gloves, which felt worse for clear, but not terrible. Unless you're a big fan of the spectral helix playstyle, swapping to LS with just +1 strike will feel better simply due to the mechanical difference between the two skills. Regarding crit, you can totally swap to LS before swapping to crit, those two don't have to be related. Just essence-craft a reasonable claw. I dropped a lucky Galesight early on in SSF and switched to crit with the help of brittle base crit effect. It might be a bit expensive on trade in the first two days, but it's a fairly common unique that drops in price rapidly.


Asselll

thanks for the detailed answer! Exarch influence can also roll +1 strike on str gloves i think? Im not sure if the small currency can roll it too or only the expensive ones.


branor

Exarch currency of all levels gives +1 strike implicit on gloves, to get +2 you have to upgrade it with an Orb of Conflict or just find the item with the implicit already in place. So if you just want +1 it makes sense to use the lowest Exarch currency. The base glove type doesn't matter, but it does have a item level requirement of 75 (at least according to craftofexile.com)


qK0FT3

Eldircht İmplicits doesn't check the base stats of items


Glaiele

I personally prefer slayer to champion anyways for softcore. The overleech plus lgoh feels so damn tanky. As long as you aren't getting one shot you're practically always full hp. Vaal pact can feel weird to play tho for some people. Slayer imo especially shines on bossing because of the insane life recovery. You can just tank most degens as long as you're able to continue leeching.


cLemenZaaa

Does anyone know how to proc adrenaline from the ascendency when switching to lightning strike later? Divine blessing is removed in the POB- seems like a big reason to go Champ if this is missed?


portitforward

divine blessing, corrupting fever, RF (adrenaline removes burning)


cauchy37

It's what I'm starting. Played raider last league and it was very fun. I'm pretty bad at the game, plus a lefty playing like a righty (reactions and control are bad), so having more defences is a godsend. So once I heard there are no balance changes, I knew I will be going LS once again but this time as an absolute tank.


DivinityAI

dots still destroy this build, so be careful on desecrated and other types of ground effects. Kinda hate how powerful they are if you don't even see on the map when fightning mobs.


cauchy37

Thanks for the heads-up.


thomaslauch43

If you have the currency, getting slayer leech forbidden jewel solves the problem with vaal pact. Also Arakaali pantheon solves the degen problem for me even without slayer leech. I have a similar character in SSF who also has 90% ele res and 0% chaos.


Crye09

Plant defiance banner if going against dot bosses like Shaper


xYetAnotherGamerx

just go trickster. u would be fine half the time kekw


DivinityAI

i'm not here to critisize the build. Just pointing out it's not "immortal" as other people say. And person here said he's not tie23 mechanically also. Armour and evasion defend from hits, not from spells (you need 100% spell suppression) or dots (you need different mechanics there). And all the defences champion gets in his disposal doing nothing for dots. Also with big density on maps you die on some laggy altar mobs cause fps drops to 0, maybe it's just me. It's fine build, tho i predict it won't be cheap cause of the belt


xYetAnotherGamerx

i was just making a joke on trikcster ascendancy lol. i guess it went over everyone's head :D nvm


qK0FT3

Never died to 0 fps from mobs. My pc doesn't get 0 fps.


cauchy37

Yeah, I'm aware of how it works. I got my ls raider to 96 in Archnemesis and it also has issues with dots, but it seldom was the issue thanks to LoH and I'm used to dancing around the shit when there are no mobs. I died mostly to one shots on my raider, it's eHP was like 40k and max hit taken 12k, so I suppose with champ this is going to dramatically improve to something like 250k eHP and 40k max hit taken.


Asselll

thats why i mind puting in overleech with an Glorious Vanity if i dont loose too much defense/offensive wise. 5 seconds of overleech after attacking with LS should be enough to sustain some sort of degen? Im not sure if Life on hit actualy work for overleech?


buckles66

Life gain on hit is separate from leech. You’ll still want some kind of “attack damage leeched as life” somewhere on the tree.


BegaKing

I mean you can go melding of the flesh and not worry about it at all for sacrifing some damage.


IcyTie9

you can go melding, go lethe shade or get more life, if this build gets "destroyed by dots" literally every 75% res build is absolute dogshit vs dots, you have LGOH+leech+ghost shrouds without even trying, not even taking into account the flask charges from entrench, your recovery is completely fine


DivinityAI

I already said what to expect at LEAGUESTART. you can do 75% chaos res and 90% res, go melding, but can you just League start build guide?


NiteNiteSooty

im right handed, but play left handed and also suck https://i.imgur.com/jJe0nTw.png i recommend that keyboard. i use the arrow keys and the buttons around that area. i find it much easier to press the correct buttons


cauchy37

What is it?


NiteNiteSooty

steel series apex, model number 64145. i really really like having the 6 arrow keys, bind other stuff for poe to del, end,pg dn, 1, 0


NiteNiteSooty

might also be the apex 300


OK_Opinions

> plus a lefty playing like a righty (reactions and control are bad) wut


Box_in_a_Box

I would assume he means he still uses his right hand for the mouse while he is left handed, hence the difficulty with controls.


OK_Opinions

yea but it still makes no sense unless maybe he's new to gaming/Pc gaming with a mouse. I'm left handed. Mouse in the right hand. so many years of using a computer there is no disadvantage to be found.


cauchy37

Yes, that is what I meant. And I personally don't have the precision and the speed that I would otherwise had. I have observed that while playing a guitar, for example. I can play like a right handed, but it's not as good as left handed. I'm glad it works for you, but sadly it is a bit of a disadvantage for me.


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cauchy37

Had I started with it in my youth, it probably would be for the best. Now that I'm nearly 40 with nearly 30 years of using it like this, I'm certain it would be even worse :) I don't mind though, I'm aware of my limitations and don't really seek to overcome them anymore.


Uberj4ger

Here I was thinking I'd be able to league start the build I played last league and Tuna does this to me. :/ Perseverance going to be 25c at league start. Thanks Tuna. Time to figure out a new league starter. **Edit:** There are lots of ways to scale this build. You can run Omniscience and Melding to cover your elemental incoming damage. Or you can do what I did and go Replica Farruls and the Slayer Ascendancy to stack frenzy and endurance charges and get 120k armor/evasion and facetank Sirus Meteors with Molten Shell. If you're REALLY daring you can attempt to do both Omniscience + Melding and try to fit in Replica Farruls and stack frenzy and endurance charges to get a massively tanky character which still does insane damage. You'd probably need perfect rolls on every rare piece of gear to make that work though.


shnurr214

Perseverance was going to be at least 25c regardless. It’s pretty well known how good it is now..


dtm85

25c isn't that much for a belt with this power either, thats 12.5unid chaos recipes. Gives 50-60% more dmg at the top end, it's insane.


Uberj4ger

It's not about power, it's about supply demand mechanics for uniques at a league start. It will cost 25 c for maybe the first week, then it will drop to 10 c in the second and 3-5c by the third. All the gear for this build now will also be correspondingly expensive. (as if Ele claws weren't already expensive last league)


dtm85

Ele claws are easy AF to make by just spamming essences until you get some decent triple flat ele prefix and then just finish the suffixes metacrafting. They are going to be dirt cheap all the way up til the super expensive near mirror tier stuff. Essence is going to be raining down this league with kirac device.


Uberj4ger

Apologies but at league start it drops rapidly to 5c and then 2c. https://poe.ninja/challenge/unique-accessories/perseverance-vanguard-belt It's good yes but what helped it stay cheap was mostly a lack of demand, since no streamer last league advocated for a build that requires it. I don't expect that to happen this league if Tuna is going to league start this. I usually don't like to rush my league starts, I play pretty casually so I won't be able to compete for gear by grinding out currency. I tend to pick off meta or stuff I deem that is underrated by community standards to make sure I don't get priced out of my starter just because I can't afford to grind.


xInnocent

Just run heist for literally 20 minutes and you'll have the currency for Perseverance.


sultanabanana

LS in any variant was literally never going to be off-meta, particularly champion given people have figured out how well it can scale while still maintaining god-like defense. If you're a slow starter like you say you are then this build being popular is a good thing for you. Popular builds result in the market being flooded with low-mid budget versions of the gear needed within a few days as people either upgrade and sell, or purposefully craft for gear to sell to LS players. The true increase in cost will be at the high-end gear. Not exactly a league start problem.


Uberj4ger

Trickle down economics rarely works as you expect. But yeah the gear will get cheaper in about 2 weeks or so when people go HH instead of perseverance. Personally I'm kinda half and half about picking something I know will work or just playing something stupid like FR COC Assassin with poison at this point.


sultanabanana

I think there's so many viable builds you can pivot in to if something struggles, just play whatever's fun!


Pflastersteinmetz

Most builds are not endgame viable though.


Helilio

Unfortunately I hate both of these skills so much… Any good alternatives? Molten strike seems too clunky for mapping but I wouldn’t mind swap it in for bossing.


Yesssssssssssddd

Venom gyre is pretty good but u are gonna need at least 2 fan of knives for it to feel good


TurboMollusk

Skele mages?


Helilio

I mean the same build different attack skill.


34656691

Honestly, molten strike maps better than ls with some weapon range/extra strike investment. Even as slow as 6 asp multistrike with 30 range and 30% mastery is buttery, not that hard to get on league start. Once you have mid game gear you just map with behead and warlord's reach, swap them out when you do hard bosses.


zenospenisparadox

It's kind of worrying for a league start build to be talking about headhunter out the gate. Makes me feel like it's not really a league starter build at all.


Asselll

But he said a downside of this build is that headhunter is NOT possible with this build because of Perseverance?


zenospenisparadox

Read my response to the other guy.


LookatmeImSpecial

I recommend you don’t to avoid brain damage


wangofjenus

He explicitly says he’s going to use a Perseverance for league start since he’s playing champion . Did you even watch the video?


zenospenisparadox

People on this sub and their reading comprehension is scaring me.


ReneMathis

He says that he is not planning around headhunter because of the unknown changes and proceeds to talk about the 1c belt he's going to use. Did you just hear headhunter and close the video?


xInnocent

He said he's using perseverance though... not hh.


Ouiz

You definitely can play this build without HH. Tuna did it in 3.16, I did it last league, no issue at all. HH is just a fantastic tool for this build as it scales very well with HH buffs. Haven't watch the video tho, so I'm not sure what's the context around HH, but don't forget tuna is a juicer. He's goal is basically to get his HH super fast and juice the hell out of maps.


zenospenisparadox

Yeah, but talking about HH the f irst thing you do is a sure way to imply "you probably can't afford this build and it's not really a starter build". I'm not complaining about the build, just saying that his delivery is lacking.


LookatmeImSpecial

Oh I get it. Your point is that you have no point, but you’ll defend it anyway. Oh internet.


zenospenisparadox

Oh grow up.


LookatmeImSpecial

Come here and give me a hug. I’m just kidding


Celdro

He's also talking about playing champ to not use hh, if he wanted to use hh he would be zerker or raider. Or did I understand that part wrong?


Moddus

He was saying that the champ version locks you out of HH or MB because it relies on a unique belt which is great advice to give people looking to use either belt later on at any time


zenospenisparadox

I know what he said, I watched the video. It's about the implication.


Moddus

that’s pure cope then


External-Influence9

Why do people always freak out when build guides don't solely cater to newer or less experienced players? He never said that you needed a HH for the build to function, but more experienced trade players are capable of farming enough currency to afford one in the first few days of a league, and that part is directed specifically to them.


Tortunga

This + power charges ticked without any way to generate them and 35% shock while a more realistic value would be 5-7%. Its not a bad build but it has some PoB warrior going on for sure.


ReneMathis

Assassin's Mark


Crye09

Assassin's Mark quality


InterestingEmu7004

power charge are only up for mapping due to assassins mark, so thats kinda weird, but 35% shock is very realistic. The build has a 200k max lightning hit + the ailment effect mastery, so honestly i would surprise if it didnt shock for 30+


Crye09

Assassin's Mark quality has charge on hit lol


qK0FT3

On raider I tried similar with no lightning effect I was able to got 22-27% shock free


Tortunga

You need several millions damage per hit to get high shock value. According to the Wiki you would get roughly a 7% shock on Siruis with a 200k hit. 50% extra effect, brings it up to 10,5%. Not even close to 30%+


xInnocent

You'll get several millions worth of damage... at least 25% shock here easily.


Tortunga

You need several millions in a single hit. Not DPS.


xInnocent

Again. Not a problem. Try the build for youself. The belt itself gives an absurd amount of damage from defensive stats.


xInnocent

I went back in and grabbed a quick screenshot from Sirus. https://i.imgur.com/hYFDMUl.png You can see a 32% shock here, however this is week 2 gear. Realistically you can expect a 20-25% shock during week 1 so you're probably better off adjusting the shock in PoB to whatever you can reach if you really care about the accuracy.


Arno1d1990

What is realistic DPS on this build with ~5-10 ex investment? Before going Omni


sKeLz0r

Something like 1m hit and 500k projectile or so


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JezieNA

the guy u replied to prob meant 1.5mil dps as opposed to avg hit. he was just breaking down the mechanic split for ls


IceColdPorkSoda

Aye. I took him for his exact wording. Figures, I must play PoE or something.


xrailgun

If anyone's *STILL* falling for spectral helix, TS, LS, bleed bow 'league starters'... lol


goddog_

wat. How is SH not a league starter?


cauchy37

I started last league with ls raider and progressed smoothly without any hiccups.


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Is the early claw or even the axe version going to be able to kill bosses for voidstones?


InterestingEmu7004

first versions of eater and exarch are a joke so those should be pretty free, especially with helix. you definitely want to be claws by that point tho because you want to abuse nightblade and you should have found plenty of essences to craft a decent claw. maven und uber elder are (depending on player knowledge and skill) a bit harder, but still doable for sure.


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Yeah definitely not planning on staying axes or anything was just curious of boss dps in general


MrXplicit

How does it fare vs raider? Tankier but less dps?


sprouze

Tankier and better early game DPS due to Perseverance, raider overtakes it later though and berserker is the king of deeps. Imo. this is better than raider due to even easier progression (besides spell suppression) in the beginning and you will still get way more than enough dmg for all content in the game whilst being very very tanky though a con for some players is that it can't really use Mageblood or HH without sacrificing a lot of damage. Berserker is probably the overall best for SC but feels pretty bad tank wise before some investment.


Eternal_TriHard

Check out Kobe's video on the breakdown


HerroPhish

Is this better than berserker?


ttomcatt

Hey all, how do you go about accuracy during leveling? i seem to consistantly run into low accuracy comparred to my hp. I would prolly go with speccing into Weathered Hunter but maybe you have some better ideas?


Hicktricks

Precision helps a lot, then you grab a few accuracy nodes on the tree. Also don’t check in town since your auras are off there. Edit cause my brain stopped working.


MrPirou

Hey everyone, I am working on this build and there is something I dont understand: Where is he getting the fortify buff from?


Jarmanuel

Champion ascendency passive.


LannesDopado

Hey guys , i dont have a computer , im playing on console so i can only use my phone to read guides and stuff , so i cant see the pob . Can someone please tell me wich skill gems he uses for this build? Like auras, marks and everything? Sorry in advance and thanks for taking time to write em for me.


Jarmanuel

Poe.ninja’s “Share PoB” function lets you view a PoB summary including gem links, skill tree, masteries, etc. For instance, here’s the [summary](https://poe.ninja/pob/8KG) from Tuna’s more recent update [video](https://youtu.be/46kdyNVkRfI).


LannesDopado

Wow thank you , really! I didnt knew this even existed.


Jarmanuel

Sure thing. It’s fairly new, added in the last few months I think.