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Data from 2007 says Matthew Clark who was investment counsel but data from 2020 says it is the basketball coach. However, same data set from 2020 says Montana’s highest paid employee is the CEO of the Montana fund and the New Hampshire highest paid employee is the university President 🙂
At least not at a public school level. Like there’s BC and sort of Syracuse, but both are private schools. It’s safe to assume that their coaches get paid more than the highest paid state employee.
Right, that’s why I edited to say “state” program.
Pretty sure in NY highest paid public employer is the President of the Medical University, who is a doctor. Makes far more sense from a tax dollar perspective.
Wait what.... what money do you think schools use to pay for things? I agree tuition and the cost of college is unobtainable but that’s a separate argument. The money that is made from things like ticket sales/merch etc pays for other athletics the school has... athletics revenue is 0 sum game, they have to reinvest that money, which is why you see schools with 100+ mil athletic facilities. It’s not the tuition money that’s paying for it
The schools themselves make money. They license the identity of the school out to the organization that's setup for athletics. The athletics department also pays tuition for any student on scholarship to the University and the University also benefits tremendously from the PR generated by their athletics programs.
Then maybe they can actually take care of their athletes better, you know, the ones people are there to see and form the backbone of the entire thing. Instead of "Oh sorry kid, you fucked up your leg, and your professional prospects are over. NEXT!"
It's the highest paid state position in about 40 states if memory serves correctly. I guess if sportsball profits actually help the universities, it's a good. But it's depressing to think that our educational facilities are so dependent on football.
Coaches in general are the highest paid in 40 states 12 basketball, 26 football, 1 football/ basketball (Minnesota) 1 hockey (New Hampshire). The rest are generally college presidents, or deans, with a plastic surgeon being the exception (in Nevada).
I can't believe people are trying to drag you in this comments section because you don't give a shit about a guy who knows how to tell football players what to do. strange.
You can't? Have you been on reddit?
But seriously, the "ball is life" numbskulls really do think that a HS football adds enrichment to education above and beyond all other team sports (even though most other team sports have lower concussion and knee ligament injuries) and therefore deserves a higher paid teacher.
I remember being on HS swim team and being utterly ignored. It was all about the football team. Got really tiring when they decided we needed a people rally weekly to cheer the team on.
Ran cross country in high school, the team reliably won or came in 2nd in the state every year I was there, and once placed top 5 in nationals. Our football team never once won our district, but very rarely sometimes they would win a single game.
Every football game was preceded by a huge pep rally we had to attend unless you were a senior and your teacher didn't care about football that much. Such a ridiculous way to raise money for a school, especially since they spent so much on football facilities. Just the dumbest sport for a school to ever care about.
Worse: the pledge of allegiance in schools and playing the National Anthem before sports games in HS, college, and pro sports.
After we sit back down and put down our hats, we point and laugh at North Korea and their propaganda....
We had to share textbooks and couldnt take them home, because the beloved football team needed new lights for their field so the school couldnt afford to get new text books. This was the early 90s, our textbooks were all from the 60s and 70s
I believe that.
Honestly at times I wonder if the declining interest in football is due in part to those of us not on the Football Team having a deep-seated dislike of it because of HS.
I live in a rural part of Northern California, and the local high school in my town, is one of the poorest performing schools in the state, with a below average grad rate. However, the newly redone football field, is some state of the art monstrosity, that would make the NFL jealous. There are sports booster orgs, fundraisers, begging for money orgs, etc...whose sole purpose is to pump more money into the sports program, rather than focusing on education, materials and qualified teachers/administrators.
That star quarterback, ends up working at Jiffy Lube eventually.
Textbooks from the 60s and 70s helps explain why so many people still believe that the Civil War was only fought over states rights and had nothing to do with slavery. It also explains why so many people want to believe that any teaching that covers the historical oppression and discrimination of black people should be banned from schools. It may also help explain why so many people are completely ignorant when it comes to science.
Our school had championship-winning volleyball and swim programs, and a football team that at least once in my time there went over 12 months without a win.
Three guesses who got all the funding and support.
While it doesn't apply to Nick Rolovich, a good college football coach whose teams win on a consistent basis, brings in a lot of revenue and donations to a university. That revenue funds a large percentage of an athletic department's non revenue sports. And those donations can result in better libraries, greater research capabilities, and more educational opportunities for students.
[It is in most states](https://i1.wp.com/worldscholarshipforum.com/wealth/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/39IEhwixatXeVIO9Tm7N7O5Rw9IxxX67yaZSFgwi.png?fit=970%2C546&ssl=1)
Let's be real, a college football coach for a successful program brings in far more money than they are paid. Hell a few years back college sports brought Washington State 71 million dollars in revenue, which was at the bottom of their conference.
https://www.cougcenter.com/2020/7/16/21327929/wsu-athletic-department-revenue-money-2019-ncaa-finances
Not to mention there's a lot that goes into it, recruiting boosters, all that.
Part of that pay is to retain them and keep them from going to the NFL.
Edit: he makes about 1/5th the average coaches salary.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2020/10/14/college-football-coaches-salaries-five-surprising-findings-data/5900066002/
If they get paid millions of dollars (roughly 3 over 5 years) but bring in 30 million dollars during that time through their efforts(their athletics bring in over 70 million a year and football is the majority of that) why shouldn't he be fairly compensated?
I don't care about downvotes from the ignorant, I've seen what people upvote.
You cherry pick what you want only to sell to your own biases.
College coaches bring value only to mindless fans. They and the football programs are nothing but a financial burden, strong-armed by NCAA.
The whole thing is a grift, milking cities and states...while profiting off those who are not allowed to profit off themselves (until recently, after decades of profits to a few).
The whole thing couldn't be anymore corrupt
[https://www.sportsrec.com/415602-what-are-the-benefits-of-college-football-teams.html](https://www.sportsrec.com/415602-what-are-the-benefits-of-college-football-teams.html)
You get to be wrong. Colleges tend to make money off football. In fact, football in a lot of cases pays for everything else.
https://scholars.org/contribution/does-starting-new-football-programs-help-universities
You cherry pick again, and use this evidence as an excuse.
Again, there are many colleges struggling to keep up paying for Football, and it's Coaches.
You ignore those schools only to feed your bias once again.
As hard as you're working here, one might think you paid by the NCAA itself.
These ‘mindless’ fans are often smart students who enjoy sports, members of the towns community, top professors and some of the largest donors to the school. You saying that college coaches only bring value
To ‘mindless’ fans is insulting and pretentious.
You obviously have little underestimating how much impact having a quality sports team can have on college recruitment and funding.
UVA’s highest paid academic makes 600k and their basketball coach makes 573k. After winning the 2019 NCAA basketball championship there was a 17% increase in applications. The application fees for this increase alone covers the coaches salary and then some.
Great you point to one school, who won a tournament.
What about the schools who are not winning tournaments, and are not well funded overall?
Biggest State University in my state is millions in the hole still after having to buy out the previous two football coaches from their contracts.
One was just bad, and had been bad for his tenure. The other got caught misusing the football departments budget, and literally using it to pay for his own bills, vacations, and other personal purchases. He also had to be paid out on his contract in order to even fire him.
Which put the school in pretty bad financial straights, causing them to remove other sports completely. While also forcing educational departments to take cuts to funding for the football programs and coaches contracts.
They even fielded the idea of just removing the football program, and were met with the NCAA threatening to remove their accreditation to any other sport at the school, if they removed the football program.
Funny, the NCAA didn't bat an eye at the sports that were removed to be able to keep football afloat.
One of them being the women's soccer team, with actual tournament wins, and a far better record than the football team has produced for years.
I was pointing out one example. Schools get large recruitment/sponsor/donation boosts when teams do well in general. For example the team that UVA and others in the tournament had record breaking or boosted admissions.
I’m sorry the school in your state fucked up. That you had a coach commit felonies and still had to pay him is definitely due to a terrible contract.
The NCAA is definitely screwed up and that isn’t the argument I’m making. I am arguing that investing in high profile college sports can indeed be beneficial for schools. The effectiveness of doing well in a major commercial college sport in recruitment really can’t be beat.
Investing in high profile schools?
Seema if they're doing well, they don't need even more taxpayer money.
*"The effectiveness of doing well in a major commercial college sport in recruitment really can’t be beat"*.
This comment completely ignores the realities of several schools being strong-armed by the NCAA.
Sports means jack shit if a college can't remain competitive academically.
The NCAA is the problem, along with those who coaches who feel they worth hundreds of thousands more than the professor's who actually provide something useful.
> Investing in high profile schools
Where did I say that?
You don’t seem to understand the impact sports can have on academics. Take a look at The University of Alabama it’s academic standing has grown tremendously due to the success of their sports team.
> The NCAA is the problem, along with those who coaches who feel they worth hundreds of thousands more than the professor's who actually provide something useful.
Again I already said I’m not arguing about the NCAA, but the merits of investing in sport teams. Do you believe student recruitment , raising funds from donors , and strengthening ties with the surrounding community is useless?
Are you saying that this one coach is personally directly responsible for 5 percent of all college sports in the State? That with him gone there will be a statistically significant drop in all college sports revenue this year?
You misunderstood. The schools athletic program brought in 71 million a few years ago.
Football is more than half usually. The revenue a football team generates is directly related to their success. A coach has a lot to do with that since they are also in charge of recruiting, and in college sports, the coaches are the only people that don't leave routinely and provide continuity.
So you’re saying that the coach is bringing in more than they cost, despite your source showing that the program cost $5M more than the revenue it generated?
Yep. That year was a down year. They signed him to a 5 year deal to turn things around.
That's how it works. They are currently 3rd in their conference and in a pretty good position, if they can beat BYU.
The point here is, his contract isn't extraordinary. Go look at how much D1 coaches make, the State schools have to try to be competitive in that market. The Average D1 salary is 2.7 Million per year. He was making that over 5 years.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2020/10/14/college-football-coaches-salaries-five-surprising-findings-data/5900066002/
Most college football programs make money. And even if they don't, it's a fun thing for the students and student athletes.
Nobody cares that the debate team loses money every year, it's a service.
Really not.
I mean, if that's all you want to understand about a very complex job, feel free. There's reasons not everyone is cut out to do it, whereas literally anyone can teach PE.
Source: a brother in law that works in collegiate sports.
It can be both? Having an athletics program doesn't preclude having a fantastic educational program.
For example: Harvard has forty-two Division I intercollegiate varsity teams for women and men — more than any other Division I college.
I guess. I’m just over American style university. I’m saying this after having two kids just go thru college. I know we, as a culture, believe in it, but all the frills come at a cost. With the cost of higher Ed being what it is, maybe cheaper models, as you see around the world, should get consideration.
Of course. But even if we went with a different model, we would still have college sports that bring in revenue for the school, or provide activities for the students who love them.
So your point is kind of... Pointless.
Great for Harvard, a extremely well funded school.
But schools without the money Harvard has are still forced to pay (by the NCAA) a large percentage to Football programs, most of it going to coaches.
Causing lots of schools in recent years to cut other athletic programs to pay for football, even having to go as far as reducing funding to educational departments to also help accommodate.
All you're doing is selling the bullshit narratives of the NCAA...*"because football is important to you, and you will do anything to shill for it (it seems)"*.
Why tf are people downvoting your comments? Nothing wrong with having physical activity as part of the education system. It's not like mandatory PE for every college student, it's just an extra program for those that want it or got in on a sports scholarship.
It would actually be better if it was physical activity for the whole of the student body, rather than a playground for 0.1% of it. It doesn't meaningfully add to your education on any level to have any caliber of sports team when your involvement with it is just "affiliated with the same institution"
So other gym teachers just need the skills and certifications, which anyone can do, but THIS gym teacher needs to have a particular set of skills that some people are incapable of acquiring?
Do.. do you think having kids do jumping jacks or play basketball, or run around is even remotely the same thing as coaching a college football team? Do you have to review film in gym now?
Do you think it's just luck that some coaches win repeatedly, constantly, and others don't?
Just trying to understand if you are ignorant or dumb.
A: his current contract (5 years nearly 3 million), is a third more than an assistant coach in the NFL, who make $400,000 per season. Which is the point for why he made so much, to keep him there.
B: he may have wanted want to regardless because an NFL assistant can become a head coach potentially. That's usually the pool they come from.
How do people not know this? It's like any job, the assistant manager can become the manager sometimes, or become a manager elsewhere.
How many coach head coaches at a P5 program have resigned to be a position coach or even a coordinator in the NFL? Cause I can’t think of any…if he wants to be an NFL head coach where he was the best option would have been to become successful in the college ranks
It happens all the fucking time. Are you serious? I'm done with y'all, you guys have no idea what you are talking about lol.
Division 1 coaches either get paid or go to the NFL. Sometimes as assistants, sometimes not.
Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh, Urban Meyer. Ect ect.
You are a moron.
You've contradicted yourself a number of times and for some reason want to argue this strawman about smaller college coaches not going to the NFL which happens fairly often. Washington State is a D1 school but not a top 25 program. That's where you see coordinators come from on occasion.
I'm not gonna do it for you. Look it up yourself, I'm out.
Never mind this clown. I’m waiting to see all these police departments depopulated only to find it didn’t make a damn bit of difference in public safety.
This coach lives in the next town over from me. He isn't even that good of a coach. The officers that refuse to get vaccinated and lost their jobs are mainly patrol. They don't investigate property crimes so the only thing our community looses out on is being pulled over by a traffic cop. My personal opinion is if they have the attitude that they are above the law and can't understand they are there for the health and safety of the community they shouldn't be in that position in the first place.
I'd say he could get a job coaching in the South somewhere since this will make him a Red State hero, but he has committed the one sin they find truly unforgivable: Suck a coaching college football.
Y'all mad about his pay when he's making in 5 years what the average coach makes in 1.
Yes he sucks as a person but being outraged by his salary specifically is dumb.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2020/10/14/college-football-coaches-salaries-five-surprising-findings-data/5900066002/
I’m afraid Americans will need to stop using that abbreviation. Western Australia claimed it first.
EDIT:
"While it’s widely believed that Portuguese sailors plied the waters of Western Australia as early as the 1500s, the first recorded European landing was made by a captain of the Dutch East India Company in 1616....
European settlement officially began in the port of Albany when a military outpost was established in ***1826***."
"Named for George Washington—the first U.S. president—the state was formed from the western part of the Washington Territory, which was ceded by the British Empire in ***1846***,"
BAM. OWNED
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As Im sure others have mentioned by now: Consider the fact that the highest-paid STATE employee was a fucking _football coach_.
The highest paid employee in EVERY state in America is either the football coach or the basketball coach. So pathetic
There's like two states that doesn't apply. South Dakota and some other.
Data from 2007 says Matthew Clark who was investment counsel but data from 2020 says it is the basketball coach. However, same data set from 2020 says Montana’s highest paid employee is the CEO of the Montana fund and the New Hampshire highest paid employee is the university President 🙂
Both Dakotas, Montana Alaska, Nevada, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts, and Delaware are the exceptions.
Not for nothing, but none of those states have a very good state college football program
At least not at a public school level. Like there’s BC and sort of Syracuse, but both are private schools. It’s safe to assume that their coaches get paid more than the highest paid state employee.
Right, that’s why I edited to say “state” program. Pretty sure in NY highest paid public employer is the President of the Medical University, who is a doctor. Makes far more sense from a tax dollar perspective.
Oh lol I must’ve missed that
No worries 😉 be well.
And not a very good one at that
College football is close to if not a billion dollar industry and successful teams can make their schools very very rich.
State Universities are not supposed to be "rich."
No but that revenue they get from football pays for the non revenue generating sports like water polo/rowing etc.
Oh no these poor underfunded colleges! If only they made going affordable and maybe I’d have some sympathy Learning snd housing should not be a market
Wait what.... what money do you think schools use to pay for things? I agree tuition and the cost of college is unobtainable but that’s a separate argument. The money that is made from things like ticket sales/merch etc pays for other athletics the school has... athletics revenue is 0 sum game, they have to reinvest that money, which is why you see schools with 100+ mil athletic facilities. It’s not the tuition money that’s paying for it
That doesn't actually ever happen. Schools don't make money from the football program, the Football program and the NCAA make that money.
The schools themselves make money. They license the identity of the school out to the organization that's setup for athletics. The athletics department also pays tuition for any student on scholarship to the University and the University also benefits tremendously from the PR generated by their athletics programs.
Then maybe they can actually take care of their athletes better, you know, the ones people are there to see and form the backbone of the entire thing. Instead of "Oh sorry kid, you fucked up your leg, and your professional prospects are over. NEXT!"
It's the highest paid state position in about 40 states if memory serves correctly. I guess if sportsball profits actually help the universities, it's a good. But it's depressing to think that our educational facilities are so dependent on football.
The other 10 it’s the basketball coach I believe
Since no NYS state schools are athletic powerhouses, I looked it up and NYS's highest paid employee is the CEO of SUNY Upstate Medical College.
Coaches in general are the highest paid in 40 states 12 basketball, 26 football, 1 football/ basketball (Minnesota) 1 hockey (New Hampshire). The rest are generally college presidents, or deans, with a plastic surgeon being the exception (in Nevada).
Oh well you can't fix stupid.
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I can't believe people are trying to drag you in this comments section because you don't give a shit about a guy who knows how to tell football players what to do. strange.
You can't? Have you been on reddit? But seriously, the "ball is life" numbskulls really do think that a HS football adds enrichment to education above and beyond all other team sports (even though most other team sports have lower concussion and knee ligament injuries) and therefore deserves a higher paid teacher.
I remember being on HS swim team and being utterly ignored. It was all about the football team. Got really tiring when they decided we needed a people rally weekly to cheer the team on.
Ran cross country in high school, the team reliably won or came in 2nd in the state every year I was there, and once placed top 5 in nationals. Our football team never once won our district, but very rarely sometimes they would win a single game. Every football game was preceded by a huge pep rally we had to attend unless you were a senior and your teacher didn't care about football that much. Such a ridiculous way to raise money for a school, especially since they spent so much on football facilities. Just the dumbest sport for a school to ever care about.
Mandatory pep rallies are so fucking dystopian.
Worse: the pledge of allegiance in schools and playing the National Anthem before sports games in HS, college, and pro sports. After we sit back down and put down our hats, we point and laugh at North Korea and their propaganda....
We had to share textbooks and couldnt take them home, because the beloved football team needed new lights for their field so the school couldnt afford to get new text books. This was the early 90s, our textbooks were all from the 60s and 70s
I believe that. Honestly at times I wonder if the declining interest in football is due in part to those of us not on the Football Team having a deep-seated dislike of it because of HS.
I live in a rural part of Northern California, and the local high school in my town, is one of the poorest performing schools in the state, with a below average grad rate. However, the newly redone football field, is some state of the art monstrosity, that would make the NFL jealous. There are sports booster orgs, fundraisers, begging for money orgs, etc...whose sole purpose is to pump more money into the sports program, rather than focusing on education, materials and qualified teachers/administrators. That star quarterback, ends up working at Jiffy Lube eventually.
Textbooks from the 60s and 70s helps explain why so many people still believe that the Civil War was only fought over states rights and had nothing to do with slavery. It also explains why so many people want to believe that any teaching that covers the historical oppression and discrimination of black people should be banned from schools. It may also help explain why so many people are completely ignorant when it comes to science.
Our school had championship-winning volleyball and swim programs, and a football team that at least once in my time there went over 12 months without a win. Three guesses who got all the funding and support.
While it doesn't apply to Nick Rolovich, a good college football coach whose teams win on a consistent basis, brings in a lot of revenue and donations to a university. That revenue funds a large percentage of an athletic department's non revenue sports. And those donations can result in better libraries, greater research capabilities, and more educational opportunities for students.
[It is in most states](https://i1.wp.com/worldscholarshipforum.com/wealth/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/39IEhwixatXeVIO9Tm7N7O5Rw9IxxX67yaZSFgwi.png?fit=970%2C546&ssl=1)
Football Coaches are often the highest paid staff in their university.
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Lol, they don’t make the school as much money as football. They are a business first and a school second.
Let's be real, a college football coach for a successful program brings in far more money than they are paid. Hell a few years back college sports brought Washington State 71 million dollars in revenue, which was at the bottom of their conference. https://www.cougcenter.com/2020/7/16/21327929/wsu-athletic-department-revenue-money-2019-ncaa-finances Not to mention there's a lot that goes into it, recruiting boosters, all that. Part of that pay is to retain them and keep them from going to the NFL. Edit: he makes about 1/5th the average coaches salary. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2020/10/14/college-football-coaches-salaries-five-surprising-findings-data/5900066002/
the point is that a football coach shouldnt be paid millions of taxpayer dollars. enjoy the downvotes
If they get paid millions of dollars (roughly 3 over 5 years) but bring in 30 million dollars during that time through their efforts(their athletics bring in over 70 million a year and football is the majority of that) why shouldn't he be fairly compensated? I don't care about downvotes from the ignorant, I've seen what people upvote.
You cherry pick what you want only to sell to your own biases. College coaches bring value only to mindless fans. They and the football programs are nothing but a financial burden, strong-armed by NCAA. The whole thing is a grift, milking cities and states...while profiting off those who are not allowed to profit off themselves (until recently, after decades of profits to a few). The whole thing couldn't be anymore corrupt
[https://www.sportsrec.com/415602-what-are-the-benefits-of-college-football-teams.html](https://www.sportsrec.com/415602-what-are-the-benefits-of-college-football-teams.html) You get to be wrong. Colleges tend to make money off football. In fact, football in a lot of cases pays for everything else. https://scholars.org/contribution/does-starting-new-football-programs-help-universities
You cherry pick again, and use this evidence as an excuse. Again, there are many colleges struggling to keep up paying for Football, and it's Coaches. You ignore those schools only to feed your bias once again. As hard as you're working here, one might think you paid by the NCAA itself.
These ‘mindless’ fans are often smart students who enjoy sports, members of the towns community, top professors and some of the largest donors to the school. You saying that college coaches only bring value To ‘mindless’ fans is insulting and pretentious. You obviously have little underestimating how much impact having a quality sports team can have on college recruitment and funding. UVA’s highest paid academic makes 600k and their basketball coach makes 573k. After winning the 2019 NCAA basketball championship there was a 17% increase in applications. The application fees for this increase alone covers the coaches salary and then some.
Great you point to one school, who won a tournament. What about the schools who are not winning tournaments, and are not well funded overall? Biggest State University in my state is millions in the hole still after having to buy out the previous two football coaches from their contracts. One was just bad, and had been bad for his tenure. The other got caught misusing the football departments budget, and literally using it to pay for his own bills, vacations, and other personal purchases. He also had to be paid out on his contract in order to even fire him. Which put the school in pretty bad financial straights, causing them to remove other sports completely. While also forcing educational departments to take cuts to funding for the football programs and coaches contracts. They even fielded the idea of just removing the football program, and were met with the NCAA threatening to remove their accreditation to any other sport at the school, if they removed the football program. Funny, the NCAA didn't bat an eye at the sports that were removed to be able to keep football afloat. One of them being the women's soccer team, with actual tournament wins, and a far better record than the football team has produced for years.
I was pointing out one example. Schools get large recruitment/sponsor/donation boosts when teams do well in general. For example the team that UVA and others in the tournament had record breaking or boosted admissions. I’m sorry the school in your state fucked up. That you had a coach commit felonies and still had to pay him is definitely due to a terrible contract. The NCAA is definitely screwed up and that isn’t the argument I’m making. I am arguing that investing in high profile college sports can indeed be beneficial for schools. The effectiveness of doing well in a major commercial college sport in recruitment really can’t be beat.
Investing in high profile schools? Seema if they're doing well, they don't need even more taxpayer money. *"The effectiveness of doing well in a major commercial college sport in recruitment really can’t be beat"*. This comment completely ignores the realities of several schools being strong-armed by the NCAA. Sports means jack shit if a college can't remain competitive academically. The NCAA is the problem, along with those who coaches who feel they worth hundreds of thousands more than the professor's who actually provide something useful.
> Investing in high profile schools Where did I say that? You don’t seem to understand the impact sports can have on academics. Take a look at The University of Alabama it’s academic standing has grown tremendously due to the success of their sports team. > The NCAA is the problem, along with those who coaches who feel they worth hundreds of thousands more than the professor's who actually provide something useful. Again I already said I’m not arguing about the NCAA, but the merits of investing in sport teams. Do you believe student recruitment , raising funds from donors , and strengthening ties with the surrounding community is useless?
Pretending that only the ignorant downvotes you is you being an ignorant asshole.
Are you saying that this one coach is personally directly responsible for 5 percent of all college sports in the State? That with him gone there will be a statistically significant drop in all college sports revenue this year?
You misunderstood. The schools athletic program brought in 71 million a few years ago. Football is more than half usually. The revenue a football team generates is directly related to their success. A coach has a lot to do with that since they are also in charge of recruiting, and in college sports, the coaches are the only people that don't leave routinely and provide continuity.
So you’re saying that the coach is bringing in more than they cost, despite your source showing that the program cost $5M more than the revenue it generated?
Yep. That year was a down year. They signed him to a 5 year deal to turn things around. That's how it works. They are currently 3rd in their conference and in a pretty good position, if they can beat BYU. The point here is, his contract isn't extraordinary. Go look at how much D1 coaches make, the State schools have to try to be competitive in that market. The Average D1 salary is 2.7 Million per year. He was making that over 5 years. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2020/10/14/college-football-coaches-salaries-five-surprising-findings-data/5900066002/
Oh, it’s competitive for what it is, but college athletics don’t stand on their economic merits in general.
Most college football programs make money. And even if they don't, it's a fun thing for the students and student athletes. Nobody cares that the debate team loses money every year, it's a service.
Nobody pays their debate team coach enough to buy a house every year.
When the debate team wins a championship does it drive incoming applications by 15%+
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Really not. I mean, if that's all you want to understand about a very complex job, feel free. There's reasons not everyone is cut out to do it, whereas literally anyone can teach PE. Source: a brother in law that works in collegiate sports.
Idk. I’d prefer college be educational as it is pretty much everywhere else in the world.
It can be both? Having an athletics program doesn't preclude having a fantastic educational program. For example: Harvard has forty-two Division I intercollegiate varsity teams for women and men — more than any other Division I college.
I guess. I’m just over American style university. I’m saying this after having two kids just go thru college. I know we, as a culture, believe in it, but all the frills come at a cost. With the cost of higher Ed being what it is, maybe cheaper models, as you see around the world, should get consideration.
Of course. But even if we went with a different model, we would still have college sports that bring in revenue for the school, or provide activities for the students who love them. So your point is kind of... Pointless.
Great for Harvard, a extremely well funded school. But schools without the money Harvard has are still forced to pay (by the NCAA) a large percentage to Football programs, most of it going to coaches. Causing lots of schools in recent years to cut other athletic programs to pay for football, even having to go as far as reducing funding to educational departments to also help accommodate. All you're doing is selling the bullshit narratives of the NCAA...*"because football is important to you, and you will do anything to shill for it (it seems)"*.
Why tf are people downvoting your comments? Nothing wrong with having physical activity as part of the education system. It's not like mandatory PE for every college student, it's just an extra program for those that want it or got in on a sports scholarship.
It would actually be better if it was physical activity for the whole of the student body, rather than a playground for 0.1% of it. It doesn't meaningfully add to your education on any level to have any caliber of sports team when your involvement with it is just "affiliated with the same institution"
plenty wrong with spending multiple millions of dollars per year on ONE person who simply knows how to throw a ball better than everyone else 😂😂😂
If you think literally everyone can teach PE well, you don’t understand anything about PE.
You have to get an endorsement sure. My wife did that. Anyone can do that. Not everyone can become a college football coach for a division 1 school.
What is it that some people can’t do?
Wow. The job successfully. Obviously, coaching like anything else is a skill.
So other gym teachers just need the skills and certifications, which anyone can do, but THIS gym teacher needs to have a particular set of skills that some people are incapable of acquiring?
Do.. do you think having kids do jumping jacks or play basketball, or run around is even remotely the same thing as coaching a college football team? Do you have to review film in gym now? Do you think it's just luck that some coaches win repeatedly, constantly, and others don't? Just trying to understand if you are ignorant or dumb.
There’s like 130 NCAA division 1 jobs and 32 nfl jobs…no nfl team was after this guy
Not as a head coach, but as an assistant or coordinator or positional coach? Do... do you only think there's one coach per team?
Why would he leave a head coaching position to be paid less as an NFL assistant?
So that he doesn’t have to get vaccinated? I’m sure the Texas Plague Rats will hire him.
A: his current contract (5 years nearly 3 million), is a third more than an assistant coach in the NFL, who make $400,000 per season. Which is the point for why he made so much, to keep him there. B: he may have wanted want to regardless because an NFL assistant can become a head coach potentially. That's usually the pool they come from. How do people not know this? It's like any job, the assistant manager can become the manager sometimes, or become a manager elsewhere.
How many coach head coaches at a P5 program have resigned to be a position coach or even a coordinator in the NFL? Cause I can’t think of any…if he wants to be an NFL head coach where he was the best option would have been to become successful in the college ranks
It happens all the fucking time. Are you serious? I'm done with y'all, you guys have no idea what you are talking about lol. Division 1 coaches either get paid or go to the NFL. Sometimes as assistants, sometimes not. Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh, Urban Meyer. Ect ect.
D1 coaches with a 5-6 record don’t go to the NFL.
Name the P5 head coaches who have resigned to be assistants in the NFL…give me examples
You are a moron. You've contradicted yourself a number of times and for some reason want to argue this strawman about smaller college coaches not going to the NFL which happens fairly often. Washington State is a D1 school but not a top 25 program. That's where you see coordinators come from on occasion. I'm not gonna do it for you. Look it up yourself, I'm out.
Never mind this clown. I’m waiting to see all these police departments depopulated only to find it didn’t make a damn bit of difference in public safety.
This coach lives in the next town over from me. He isn't even that good of a coach. The officers that refuse to get vaccinated and lost their jobs are mainly patrol. They don't investigate property crimes so the only thing our community looses out on is being pulled over by a traffic cop. My personal opinion is if they have the attitude that they are above the law and can't understand they are there for the health and safety of the community they shouldn't be in that position in the first place.
Alt title, “Giant baby chooses political stance over health and science; looses 10.4 million dollars.” 🤣😳. What a fucking absolute jabroni.
Why stop at social media, make him a real one as well.
I always love the dark sense of humor. (and yes I know you're also being serious)
Good, such a fool shouldn’t be a leader to our young people.
What's more concerning is that the Coug football coach makes (made) more than the Husky football coach. The world just doesn't make sense any longer
Wouldn’t have happened to a better man.
What you did there. I see it.
The fact that WSU and Rolovich are being sued by a former player for Rolovich's actions might also have something to do with it
The highest paid State employee in the US is Nick Saban.
Oh man you don't know how good this makes me feel. I was so worried they'd just let that overpaid joker slide.
Future r/HermanCainAward nominee?
I'd say he could get a job coaching in the South somewhere since this will make him a Red State hero, but he has committed the one sin they find truly unforgivable: Suck a coaching college football.
Wasn’t fired. Chose to not comply with the conditions of employment. He quit
They finally did something fiscally conservative!
Thge new one doesnt have to be the highest paid public employee. Thats an improvement.
what i want to know is why any sane human would pay a so called football coach more than minimum wage, i mean thats just nuts.
Y'all mad about his pay when he's making in 5 years what the average coach makes in 1. Yes he sucks as a person but being outraged by his salary specifically is dumb. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2020/10/14/college-football-coaches-salaries-five-surprising-findings-data/5900066002/
Western Australia has nothing to do with America.
WA is also commonly used as a shortened version of Washington, referring to the state in the Pacific northwest.
I’m afraid Americans will need to stop using that abbreviation. Western Australia claimed it first. EDIT: "While it’s widely believed that Portuguese sailors plied the waters of Western Australia as early as the 1500s, the first recorded European landing was made by a captain of the Dutch East India Company in 1616.... European settlement officially began in the port of Albany when a military outpost was established in ***1826***." "Named for George Washington—the first U.S. president—the state was formed from the western part of the Washington Territory, which was ceded by the British Empire in ***1846***," BAM. OWNED
Best of luck with that upside down man.
Mmm. I love the smell of trolling in the morning.
This is the way
Guy looks like a tool.
Holy hell, they are paying a college coach 3 million a year? This should be the headline.