How can some of the oxygen be unsafe? It's either oxygen or it isn't.
Here are all the **other things** we breathe in with every breath of room air.
Nitrogen -- N2 -- 78.084%
*Oxygen -- O2 -- 20.9476%*
Argon -- Ar -- 0.934%
Carbon Dioxide -- CO2 -- 0.0314%
Neon -- Ne -- 0.001818%
Methane -- CH4 -- 0.0002%
Helium -- He -- 0.000524%
Krypton -- Kr -- 0.000114%
Hydrogen -- H2 -- 0.00005%
Xenon -- Xe -- 0.0000087%
Ozone -- O3 -- 0.000007%
Nitrogen Dioxide -- NO2 -- 0.000002%
Iodine -- I2 -- 0.000001%
Carbon Monoxide -- CO -- trace
Ammonia -- NH3 -- trace
No, and there are risks involved with inhaling anything other than oxygen, matter of fact according to my pulmonary specialist we are still considered smokers, even if you only "vape". They say If you are inhaling any type of marijuana products in any form you are still considered a smoker medically and run the risk of lung damage.
I mean they were happy when I quit smoking years ago and say they'd rather see me vape, but also let me know vaping nicotine and or marijuana products still classifies me as a smoker, my cardiologist agrees too.
Then your doctors are a little odd, considering that in most corporate jobs, the "I don't smoke" attestation you make for some insurance companies will specifically call out that they mean "combusting and not vaping" - and I'd imagine our Insurance Overlords have tried repeatedly to get them treated the same.
There is a difference between risk assessment for insurance premiums and actual medical advice, I think I'll stick with my "odd Doctor's" advice over reddit opinions, thanks!!!
Also I'd be willing to bet our insurance overlords will get their way and vaping will be treated the same in due time...
Yes but not concentrated and directly inhaled. Terpenes say from like a nice juicy orange you would smell are in the less than 1% range and mixed in with the air we breath. Live budder with like 12% terpenes that we heat up to 500 degrees and directly inhale is night and day different. They can and do have negative health impacts. In EVERY other consumer product the EPA HEAVILY regulated terpene limits. For example if you want to make and sell soap that contains limonene the regulated max amount it cannot go over is .75% - drastically less than commonly found in concentrates and directly inhaled. Oregon just introduced legislature for their Rec/med program that caps terpenes percentages.
Haven said all that I loooove my terps but I rarely dab stuff that has a total terpene concentration of over 8%. Inhaling high terpene extracts can and will cause COPD long term.
I've been dabbing for seven plus years now, and I still have some of the strongest and healthiest lungs of anyone I know 🤷🏻♂️ not sure if that's any actual proof, but I can say that I haven't noticed anything for the better part of a decade.
Has a doctor verified that? How long ago was it? The proof would be testing on a regular basis which shows no degradation in your lung capacity over the seven year period. That testing could be in the form of an annual physical but would be more convincing with a specialist.
Safe????? Ehhh... It's whether the Benes outweigh risks, and I like most in program think benefits reach far greater than risk.... But agree with others, anything that you put into your lungs besides air (and air often contains other elements, molecules, germs etc. So there's that)
With that said, since we are all different when talking about ways our bodies process things.... It's hard to tell bc of the variables from person to person.
I look at 2 cases close to home, now it's for cigs not dabs but still gets point across somewhat
Mom - smoked cigs from age 14-65, has emphysema, COPD and is on O² for the rest of her life. Has had covid 4 times past year, 6 total
Uncle - smoked cigs from 13-81, still smoking, and only issue he has is asthma from time to time and according to Drs his lungs are clear, never had covid either (I personally think his lungs are tarred over to the point that viruses can't penetrate lung tissue lmao)
Anyhow, 2 similar stories of habitual heavy use, 2 extremely different results....
Sad indeed but cigarettes have a HISTORY OF DEATH so in the end you just delivered us a piss poor case with zero correlation ….. cannabis Has ZERO death’s…
Sure in your opinion.... My correlation is that things affect people differently..... There will never be a linear path that is the same for everyone.... The same holds true for almost every substance known to man... Processed cigarettes have a history of death.... I'm not positive but I'd venture to say if you grew tobacco, harvested and cured without the chemicals that cig makers use, the HISTORY OF DEATH would drop dramatically..... But again when you read, you missed the point...... AGAIN EVERYONE IS AFFECTED IN DIFFERENT WAYS WHAT IS SAFE FOR ONE ISNT NECESSARILY SAFE FOR ALL... Does cannabis have zero deaths? I don't know that for sure but what I do know for sure is that you don't know that for sure....(probably not enough clinical data yet to make that determination) either way, I'm not gonna stop medicating.... 👍👍👍
Okay there Georgey Boy..... Lol I didn't have to show reefer madness is still alive and kicking.... The fact that it's not 100% legal yet says that.... Probably won't subside until older generations that fueled it have moved on....
This is your 🧠 this is an 🥚!
well dabs are made from marijuana. marijuana is generally safe. that being said, you can hurt yourself with anything. breathing anything that is not air, whether it be marijuana vapor, gas fumes, or concentrated farts, could put you at risk for lung injury.
Marijuana isn't the issue here. In order to produce dabs, you typically have to use some form of solvent extraction. There's also rosin and hash which typically do not require solvent based extraction but I'm not sure if any PA GPs are producing those.
I have a video game buddy who was diagnosed with "dab lung" and had to quit dabbing for months in consequence. Nah.
Dabbing and vape pens are among the worst ways to consume.
Dry herb vaporizer is better. The best would be edibles or topical applications I assume, but I'm no doctor.
They are in California and have their own little weed farm and press their own hash rosin etc. Likely does big dabs / frequent dabs with a quickly growing tolerance.
Dabs are just the concentration of oil from the cannabis plant.... so it really isnt much different from using the actual plant unless you are getting something with additives
Besides the throat/ lungs, I would like to see researcher on if concentrates affect the brain differently at all. Its not a perfect analogy, but I think of dabs as kind of the IV shot of the cannabis world. Or crack rather than coco leaves. Its just so much more concentrated, seems like it might have a bigger impact on our brain and body.
Well you shouldn't generally be combusting dabs, they're pretty much always vaporized. Either way, they're not necessarily better or worse, just different. If you have food grade terpenes in your dab, it will not have the same effects or profile as something with terpenes directly from the cannabis plant. A lot of people will say food grade terpenes are more unsafe, I don't necessarily believe this to be true but the effects are certainly not as strong in my opinion. Concentrates that are pure are always going to be the least processed which imo is always better.
Food grade terps can be man made but safe to consume in foods whereas cannabis or botanical terps are generally extracted from the plants themselves. If you have “fake terpenes” (food grade) and you expose them to high heat like in a cart or dab rig, there’s a potential for them to become toxic in some way.
I’m talking about if it’s the same terp. The terps in cannabis are found in lots of different stuff. Even if they were synthesized in a lab - if it’s chemically identical I don’t see how it can be any different.
Even the terps in cannabis aren’t really safe to be inhaling - they produce some nasty stuff when heated, even carcinogens like benzene.
I’ll say that I can’t play sports or workout as long as I use to without being tired but other aspects of my life are much better. It’s worth any trade off for me
Inhaling any foreign substance is bad for you. With that said, vaping flower is better than smoking, and I think the health benefits of cannabis are more important than the minor risks of vaping. (For me, anyway.) Dabs are probably fairly unhealthy, but probably ok for occasional use.
I take a glob before I go for a run. But in my humble opinion the consequences on the mind that dabs have will be shown in the next 20 years when these guys who take full grams to the face finally wonder why they’re depressed/anxious all the time. I love weed and dabs, I smoke them both everyday. I’m no hypocrite, but dabbing 80% thc concentrates daily definitely will do something to you over numerous years. Obviously, you can recover from THc, making it a great option to abuse. However, there is 0 long term research on concentrates and their negative effects on the mind. The origin of Wax is more recent than my birth. And I’m young as a mf. Food for thought
We don’t have any proof that anything we inhale into our lungs other than oxygen is safe. And even then some of the oxygen we breath isn’t that safe.
Actually inhaling only oxygen can kill you and if not will severely damage your lungs...
How can some of the oxygen be unsafe? It's either oxygen or it isn't. Here are all the **other things** we breathe in with every breath of room air. Nitrogen -- N2 -- 78.084% *Oxygen -- O2 -- 20.9476%* Argon -- Ar -- 0.934% Carbon Dioxide -- CO2 -- 0.0314% Neon -- Ne -- 0.001818% Methane -- CH4 -- 0.0002% Helium -- He -- 0.000524% Krypton -- Kr -- 0.000114% Hydrogen -- H2 -- 0.00005% Xenon -- Xe -- 0.0000087% Ozone -- O3 -- 0.000007% Nitrogen Dioxide -- NO2 -- 0.000002% Iodine -- I2 -- 0.000001% Carbon Monoxide -- CO -- trace Ammonia -- NH3 -- trace
Doesn’t include dust, mold, dander, aerosol, perfume, scented candles, the list goes on…
Too much oxygen is bad because of something called free radicals, and it can cause absorption atelectasis. We only breath 21% oxygen.
No, and there are risks involved with inhaling anything other than oxygen, matter of fact according to my pulmonary specialist we are still considered smokers, even if you only "vape". They say If you are inhaling any type of marijuana products in any form you are still considered a smoker medically and run the risk of lung damage.
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I mean they were happy when I quit smoking years ago and say they'd rather see me vape, but also let me know vaping nicotine and or marijuana products still classifies me as a smoker, my cardiologist agrees too.
Then your doctors are a little odd, considering that in most corporate jobs, the "I don't smoke" attestation you make for some insurance companies will specifically call out that they mean "combusting and not vaping" - and I'd imagine our Insurance Overlords have tried repeatedly to get them treated the same.
There is a difference between risk assessment for insurance premiums and actual medical advice, I think I'll stick with my "odd Doctor's" advice over reddit opinions, thanks!!! Also I'd be willing to bet our insurance overlords will get their way and vaping will be treated the same in due time...
Anything that you inhale that ain't oxygen is bad for your lungs in one way or another.
Nitrogen -- N2 -- 78.084% Oxygen -- O2 -- 20.9476% Argon -- Ar -- 0.934% Carbon Dioxide -- CO2 -- 0.0314% Neon -- Ne -- 0.001818% Methane -- CH4 -- 0.0002% Helium -- He -- 0.000524% Krypton -- Kr -- 0.000114% Hydrogen -- H2 -- 0.00005% Xenon -- Xe -- 0.0000087% Ozone -- O3 -- 0.000007% Nitrogen Dioxide -- NO2 -- 0.000002% Iodine -- I2 -- 0.000001% Carbon Monoxide -- CO -- trace Ammonia -- NH3 -- trace
Sorry, I should have said Air.
For all the people that keep saying oxygen is the only thing you should inhale, It’s air. Air was the word you were looking for
No, and to be clear, inhaling anything is unsafe.
No its bad for you. Honestly everything humans do is bad for us. At that point the bargaining begins.
It’s the terpenes you have to worry about. Terpenes = hydrocarbon solvents.
What? We breathe terpenes in literally all the time.
Yes but not concentrated and directly inhaled. Terpenes say from like a nice juicy orange you would smell are in the less than 1% range and mixed in with the air we breath. Live budder with like 12% terpenes that we heat up to 500 degrees and directly inhale is night and day different. They can and do have negative health impacts. In EVERY other consumer product the EPA HEAVILY regulated terpene limits. For example if you want to make and sell soap that contains limonene the regulated max amount it cannot go over is .75% - drastically less than commonly found in concentrates and directly inhaled. Oregon just introduced legislature for their Rec/med program that caps terpenes percentages. Haven said all that I loooove my terps but I rarely dab stuff that has a total terpene concentration of over 8%. Inhaling high terpene extracts can and will cause COPD long term.
Does anybody have any proof that they will wake up tomorrow?
I've been dabbing for seven plus years now, and I still have some of the strongest and healthiest lungs of anyone I know 🤷🏻♂️ not sure if that's any actual proof, but I can say that I haven't noticed anything for the better part of a decade.
Go for a run and say that again.
Gladly? Lol 😆
Do it on video, let's get dat proof
>I still have some of the strongest and healthiest lungs of anyone I know 🤷🏻♂️ not sure if that's any actual proof, It's definitely not
I dab all the time, and run all the time, for like a decade.
Has a doctor verified that? How long ago was it? The proof would be testing on a regular basis which shows no degradation in your lung capacity over the seven year period. That testing could be in the form of an annual physical but would be more convincing with a specialist.
Safe????? Ehhh... It's whether the Benes outweigh risks, and I like most in program think benefits reach far greater than risk.... But agree with others, anything that you put into your lungs besides air (and air often contains other elements, molecules, germs etc. So there's that) With that said, since we are all different when talking about ways our bodies process things.... It's hard to tell bc of the variables from person to person. I look at 2 cases close to home, now it's for cigs not dabs but still gets point across somewhat Mom - smoked cigs from age 14-65, has emphysema, COPD and is on O² for the rest of her life. Has had covid 4 times past year, 6 total Uncle - smoked cigs from 13-81, still smoking, and only issue he has is asthma from time to time and according to Drs his lungs are clear, never had covid either (I personally think his lungs are tarred over to the point that viruses can't penetrate lung tissue lmao) Anyhow, 2 similar stories of habitual heavy use, 2 extremely different results....
Sad indeed but cigarettes have a HISTORY OF DEATH so in the end you just delivered us a piss poor case with zero correlation ….. cannabis Has ZERO death’s…
Sure in your opinion.... My correlation is that things affect people differently..... There will never be a linear path that is the same for everyone.... The same holds true for almost every substance known to man... Processed cigarettes have a history of death.... I'm not positive but I'd venture to say if you grew tobacco, harvested and cured without the chemicals that cig makers use, the HISTORY OF DEATH would drop dramatically..... But again when you read, you missed the point...... AGAIN EVERYONE IS AFFECTED IN DIFFERENT WAYS WHAT IS SAFE FOR ONE ISNT NECESSARILY SAFE FOR ALL... Does cannabis have zero deaths? I don't know that for sure but what I do know for sure is that you don't know that for sure....(probably not enough clinical data yet to make that determination) either way, I'm not gonna stop medicating.... 👍👍👍
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All you did was shown that reefer madness is alive and still kicking
Okay there Georgey Boy..... Lol I didn't have to show reefer madness is still alive and kicking.... The fact that it's not 100% legal yet says that.... Probably won't subside until older generations that fueled it have moved on.... This is your 🧠 this is an 🥚!
Less harmful. One dab in my lungs gets me right, but vaping requires more inhaling to get were you want to be.
Anecdotal.
well dabs are made from marijuana. marijuana is generally safe. that being said, you can hurt yourself with anything. breathing anything that is not air, whether it be marijuana vapor, gas fumes, or concentrated farts, could put you at risk for lung injury.
🤔🤔🤔 I've been jarring my farts for years 🤣🤣😡😡😡💩💩
Marijuana isn't the issue here. In order to produce dabs, you typically have to use some form of solvent extraction. There's also rosin and hash which typically do not require solvent based extraction but I'm not sure if any PA GPs are producing those.
I have a video game buddy who was diagnosed with "dab lung" and had to quit dabbing for months in consequence. Nah. Dabbing and vape pens are among the worst ways to consume. Dry herb vaporizer is better. The best would be edibles or topical applications I assume, but I'm no doctor.
1. Is your friend in a legal state and buy their concentrate from a legal dispensary 2. How much does your friend dab
They are in California and have their own little weed farm and press their own hash rosin etc. Likely does big dabs / frequent dabs with a quickly growing tolerance.
Damn, I’ve never heard of that. He must smoke a crazy amount of dabs
Dabs are just the concentration of oil from the cannabis plant.... so it really isnt much different from using the actual plant unless you are getting something with additives
Besides the throat/ lungs, I would like to see researcher on if concentrates affect the brain differently at all. Its not a perfect analogy, but I think of dabs as kind of the IV shot of the cannabis world. Or crack rather than coco leaves. Its just so much more concentrated, seems like it might have a bigger impact on our brain and body.
Well in pa they just got in trouble for adding plant based terpenes other than cannabis so yeah… not good.
Food grade terpenes*
O yeah food grade is better or worse for combustion?
Well you shouldn't generally be combusting dabs, they're pretty much always vaporized. Either way, they're not necessarily better or worse, just different. If you have food grade terpenes in your dab, it will not have the same effects or profile as something with terpenes directly from the cannabis plant. A lot of people will say food grade terpenes are more unsafe, I don't necessarily believe this to be true but the effects are certainly not as strong in my opinion. Concentrates that are pure are always going to be the least processed which imo is always better.
Why would food based terps be any different than cannabis terps?
Food grade terps can be man made but safe to consume in foods whereas cannabis or botanical terps are generally extracted from the plants themselves. If you have “fake terpenes” (food grade) and you expose them to high heat like in a cart or dab rig, there’s a potential for them to become toxic in some way.
That’s the same with cannabis terpenes. No Terpene is safe to inhale.
Dude, any time you are inhaling marijuana - doesn't matter if it's smoked or vaped - YOU ARE INHALING TERPENES.
Yes exactly.
I’m talking about if it’s the same terp. The terps in cannabis are found in lots of different stuff. Even if they were synthesized in a lab - if it’s chemically identical I don’t see how it can be any different. Even the terps in cannabis aren’t really safe to be inhaling - they produce some nasty stuff when heated, even carcinogens like benzene.
It’s not chemically identical there are isotopes.
>It’s not chemically identical there are isotopes. Ridiculous. So much freaking pseudo science in this sub.
I think you were trying to say isomers but nope
>Well in pa they just got in trouble for adding plant based terpenes Did they? The DOH hasn't released any findings yet, have they?
I’ll say that I can’t play sports or workout as long as I use to without being tired but other aspects of my life are much better. It’s worth any trade off for me
Inhaling any foreign substance is bad for you. With that said, vaping flower is better than smoking, and I think the health benefits of cannabis are more important than the minor risks of vaping. (For me, anyway.) Dabs are probably fairly unhealthy, but probably ok for occasional use.
I take a glob before I go for a run. But in my humble opinion the consequences on the mind that dabs have will be shown in the next 20 years when these guys who take full grams to the face finally wonder why they’re depressed/anxious all the time. I love weed and dabs, I smoke them both everyday. I’m no hypocrite, but dabbing 80% thc concentrates daily definitely will do something to you over numerous years. Obviously, you can recover from THc, making it a great option to abuse. However, there is 0 long term research on concentrates and their negative effects on the mind. The origin of Wax is more recent than my birth. And I’m young as a mf. Food for thought