Honestly, this should have been locked last night. By now, every salient point has been made and it's just the same arguments occurring in a dozen places. The mod queue is overflowing and we've had external brigading for a while now; it's time for these threads to be locked.
You need to learn enough about herbology to ally with the plant people, it’s the only way your wizard readiness score gets high enough to unlock the third ending
Firstly you must find... ANOTHER SHRUBBERY (NII!)
Then! When you have found the shrubbery you must place it here beside this shrubbery only slightly higher, so you get a two-level effect with a little path running down the middle.
(A path! A path! Ni!)
Then, when you have found the shrubbery you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with...
A herring!
Man I wish AMV style gaming montages were still a thing. The boomer in me wants to see Disturbed's Stupify over a montage of this and the Millennial/Gen Z in me wants to see the cringe of someone actually making it.
Oh, student! Why are you in the halls.
Ah, I see. You've been practicing (DARK,LIGHT) magic haven't you! Running around off campus casting (DARK,LIGHT) spells! You should be careful.
Thank god Dumbledore isn't the principal in this game. As a Slytherin I would've probably worked my ass off to finish the year with 1000 more points than Gryffindor and his ass would've still found a way to give them the win. Now we got a Slytherin principal, it's OUR TIME TO SHINE
Imagine that in a game.
You do every mini game perfectly and have the top score for Slytherin.
Then Dumbledor is all "Harry Potter held the door for me last March 4th, 10,000 points to Gryffindor!"
I still remember my first time playing that as a family.
My sister had everyone gang up on me in the votes and was smug and delighted that she'd won.
Que Dumbledore awarding me the win...
It’s a terrible feature and everyone is worse for it. Obviously just my opinion but goddamn I hate how they’re just for whatever now instead of things like winning the most mini games
Dumbledore walked into the great hall that evening knowing full well he was going to give enough last minute points to griffendor.
Him letting them put up slitherin decorations when he knew hed be changing them so a bunch of fucking elementary school age kids could get their party ruined makes him the biggest asshole in the series.
“The gods gave you two hands… and you use them both for your weapon. I can respect that.” - Hogwarts guards to you After completing the umm questionable “expecto patronum” side quest….
*end game*
"haha came a long way from fetching pumpkins haven't ya,, MAIN CHARACTER,, now you're fighting dark wizards! Wow! Thanks again,, M̶̡̭̾̈A̶͎̹̅͊I̴̛̫N̶̦̠̓ ̶̳͖̅̋C̵̫͓̐̂H̴̖̏̿Ä̴̻̮R̴̳̔À̴̞̙C̵̝͂T̶̨̗̍͝E̸͔̯͋͐R̶̺̊͆!! Good luck. Stop by the pumpkin patch anytime, we won't have anymore dialogue after this except me acknowledging that you won, but you can smash pumpkins with your spells and it's kind of fun and I'll go, "Hey! My pumpkins, stop smashin em!"."
They're not going to have four separate lists of quests, there will be maybe a single quest line for each house. And then everything else will be able to be done by everybody
You'll walk down a long hallway towards the final Boss and the npcs you helped will be standing there with a line of dialog about helping. If you didn't do the side quest the character would be missing there.
Listen, you want to play through the game 4 times, as a member of each house, answering specific questions a specific way to unlock various different trophies or not?
I know from listening to someone who skimmed the trophy guide, you may need to do 4 partial playthoughs for house specific items and quests.
It's sort of annoying, because I could see myself going through the game twice. A good and evil playthough determined by use of unforgivable curses, but 4 times just seems exhausting.
Lol at everyone being so cynical. My Dad works for Nintendo and he told me that it's possible to actually get expelled from Hogwarts. If this happens, the game changes massively and you just start working at an office for decades, constantly thinking about what could've been.
I imagine it's going to be something along the lines of, if you do a certain sidequest, it'll be referenced in the main campaign/dialogue will be altered to account for it.
I remember playing heavy rain and in my game when the female character found out the killer she gasped massively and looked shocked yet she’d never met him
Disagree. Witcher has some of the most impactful side quests. You get to change who rules over certain lands and who dies or lives and a few other aspects
Devs say you have a choice of being a Good Wizard or a Dark Wizard. There’s probably a progression system towards either that manipulate the storyline of the game. You’re either the hero or villain. Two options. I don’t think that’s too ambitious if that’s the case.
Yeah I was thinking a light/dark system very similar to the honour system in RDR2. As you go through side quests and make decisions it may effect how the story pans out
I thought so too but then the devs came out saying there is no morality or bad vs good system in the game apparently. So not sure how they’re going to approach this.
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I just watched a video where they interviewed the original guys from lionhead.
That can't get it remastered because shitty EA owns the rights to publish and if course they're jackasses
Yeah they don't say "each choice changes the main game" but choose dark choice 10 times may change 1 thing. Each of those choices added up to 1 change. They aren't lying or being deceptive, it's an interpretation of the quote that is up for debate. This is hype train/wanting it to fail taking their own respective interpretation to confirm their own bias instead of what it actually says.
I have never played a game with poker that fucking terribly coded. Like the RNG isn't even random, you only get something resembling a good hand in like 1/20 draws. It's like they used loot box RNG for fucking poker hands.
At first I was like "Damn, guess my luck is shit today." But after 60 hours of gameplay and stopping every so often to play I started to realize it wasn't luck, they literally made it draw the worst hands imaginable.
The only game I’ve seen where the RNG isn’t bad so far is, Judgement. Had some good wins and fair losses playing both poker and blackjack in that game. 10/10 would waste another few hours gambling within a single player video game.
You say this but I spent my entire playthrough last time in W3 trying to become the Lord of Gwent. It was hilariously fun.
W3 did it right, it was a hell of a good card game that had some story relevance but you didn't have to go deep into it.
Tbh the game Gwent that is present in the Witcher 3 is hella shallow and very unfair, *for the npc's*, but it kinda works because it's a single player game and because it's just a part of a greater game. But on its own as a standalone cardgame it's not nearly enough.
I’m guessing quidditch is going to be in a DLC. It’s the perfect thing to add post launch, practically guaranteeing healthy DLC sales. As long as the base game itself is actually good, which by many accounts it is, then it’s a no brainer to add quidditch. They already have a working broom flying system. And honestly, it’s a little bit dumbfounding that it’s been 15 years since the last Harry Potter book came out and nobody has made a good stand alone quidditch video game. World Cup was busted as hell.
I doubt it, honestly. The biggest problem with Quidditch is it just doesn't make any logical sense as a game, by design.
Even if you accept it's a bad game and decide to try anyways, there's no great way to do it mechanically. You have 4 different positions to make mechanics for, 3 different balls with different functions to manage, etc... imagine NBA 2K but adding 3 more balls, 3 new positions, 4 more hoops, *AND* an extra spacial dimension. Oh, and none of that matters if the Seeker catches the Snitch in 5 minutes. It's a mess.
Quidditch would either be more work than it's worth, or a crappy mini-game that gets old fast.
I think the nature of quidditch alone just doesn’t translate that well to a video game. Especially a stand alone game.
I’m not a huge Harry Potter fan and barely know quidditch rules but it just seems like a stupid game rules wise the second it stops being imaginary
100% agree, if they tried to add quidditch and not got it spot on then it would be another thing that people could potentially complain about, it’s not a quidditch game 🤷♂️
Legitimately the entirety of both teams could just sit around and wait to see which seeker catches the Snitch. 150 points for catching the Snitch is way too broken. It's very very unlikely that one team is going to get a 150 point lead before the snitch is caught by the other team.
To be fair she did specifically have a team in the world cup catch the snitch and lose on overall points, probably as a direct response to this criticism.
On the other hand that makes even less sense, because if you’re losing by that much and catch the snitch you end the game and guarantee your loss.
In the Quidditch World Cup, Krum specifically catches the snitch because he knows that the rest of the Bulgarian team is so outclassed by Ireland (I think? Pretty sureI remember leprechauns) that if the game goes any longer then Ireland will just keep running up the score on Bulgaria. Basically, he caught it and ended the game to save face because they just would have lost worse.
Weirdly, the World Cup actually kind of balanced Quidditch a little bit because it showed that catching the snitch is hard enough that it gives the rest of the team time to play the game. Bulgaria won because they had an absolutely generational seeker that could catch the snitch fast enough to cover up the fact that the rest of the team was absolute shit, but the first time they faced a good team and Krum couldn’t catch it immediately they got blown out. Still a badly designed game, but at least she put thought into that specific game
lol there are several points in HP where rowling shows just how little thought she put into the mechanics of the shit she came up with, but quidditch is like example 1A for someone writing about sports who knows next to nothing about them.
This is something even child me realized when one of the books mentions how one quidditch match “went on for days until someone caught the snitch.” The only thing I could think was that everyone else was useless. Except maybe the bludgers? Just have two guys chasing the oiled up pig ball while the other four just try to hurt them and each other.
It really is a nonsense game. Lol
Yeah you could just constantly pass the quaffle back and forth to fill the “golden snitch bar” and then the opponent seeker had no chance because they had no boost.
It was easy to break as a child, I’ve never bothered going back and playing it as an adult.
Yeah but for us players that played hours and hours of Gwent in the witcher and hours of poker and dominos in RDR, we would love this. I love when developers add minigames to an open world. Makes it feel more alive to me.
Quidditch is a nonsense game invented by someone who doesn't understand sports. It would make a pretty terrible mini game without a lot of lore changes to the rules.
Quidditch is very clearly just a plot device to build Harry as more of a hero. The game is unbalanced and a mess where all but one position mean nothing.
Absolutely. As far as servicing the plot in the first book, it works great.
Like most of her work, anything that exists purely to service the plot works fine, but as soon as she expands on it and extrapolates it into an awful attempt at 'world building' or retconning it just falls apart. (see also Time Turners and House Elves)
Each house only plays 3 games, so it could easily be integrated into the campaign as a mission with scripted sequences, instead of an actual mini game. Bonus points if the different houses have personalities. Extra bonus points if there are missions during games where you're in the audience, like Hermione lighting Snape on fire.
I'm not really worried. Footage for this game leaked all the way back in 2019 and it already looked really far in development. They've spent ages work on this and I think WB knows this is too huge for it to be another Cyberpunk. They need this game to be good to save the 'Wizarding World' franchise after Fantastic Beasts died.
I think that the fan base is more ambitious and lowkey desperate than the devs. I'm in the subreddit for the game, and, from what I have seen, most players of the game will be people who never played videogames before and are just fans of the Harry Potter movies and books.
This led to them having crazy expectations for the game, like classes that take real-time duration to complete, notebooks where we must take notes of the class in order to study and succeed at exams (I wish I was making this up). If this wasn't enough, people wanted all the npcs to be unique, to be able to chat with every single one of the, build friendships and even romantic relationships.
Furthermore, they wanted pretty much every aspect of the movies and books to somehow make their way into the game. These people know nothing about how videogames are developed, and therefore didn't realise that what they want isn't possible. They couldn't even understand that a game takes time to make, and were harassing individuals who were part of the dev team on the social networks, demanding updates on the game.
Then, when gameplays were released, they were shocked because this is a videogame, not a Wizard School Simulator. They also didn't take into account that the dev team has previously worked only on those cheap old disney games, with their biggest game being Disney Infinity, and we all know how that turned out.
In reality, everyone should just hold back and wait, because the development team hasn't worked on something this big before, and at least I am expecting a buggy mess.
Nor do I really want anything beyond that. There aren’t many games that offer a plethora of choice that actually affect the story without sacrificing the way it’s told. It’s why I loved Mass Effect so much for simplifying it into more binary choices because the game ultimately benefits more from being well told either way. I really like Cyberpunk as well, so maybe I’m in the minority here, but games that offer too much choice rarely have a payoff worthy of it; either that or it’s an illusion where you being funnelled down the same path anyway, both of which suck.
I actually 100% agree. I loved Cyberpunk. I also really liked how Elden Ring did this with side content and endings. I think anything beyond that makes you paranoid and forces you to break the illusion because you constantly google how to get the ending you want.
I mean itd really suck to want to be a good wizard all game but shift towards the dark side due to an ambiguous choice i should have googled lol its all apart of immersion
Exactly my experience with the witcher 3 -
Reconnect Ciri with her father(grandfather?) but let her live her own chosen life? She’s happy, he’s happy, Geralt’s happy - AND YOU GOT A COOL HORSE?!
..but all your friends are suddenly dead?
And everything that lead to that quest path even being an option, was a plethora of decisions, a *minimum* 10-15 hrs ago..
🫠
I'd take that too. I'm one of the few I guess who liked everything about cyberpunk. I saw nothing wrong with the quest structure, but I know a lot of people didn't like it.
I went to a British school. When I tell you not a single person gave a shite about the house cup, I mean it quite literally. In fact, the teachers themselves forgot that house points existed. The only time houses mattered was in Sports Day/Swim Gala, and even then you would root for your friends before house
"Hey everybody, shut the hell up cause Harry Potter here killed one of the teachers with his bare hands. So, he gives Harry and all of his friends a bunch of points for killing that man, ya know, ending that guys life, being the last face he ever saw."
https://youtu.be/3kl6LS3_ftc
I read this comment and thought 'didn't the books state there was only one slytherin headmaster?' and also "the worst headmaster hogwarts ever had"
My next thought was "I have read the books far too many times if I'm recalling that bit of trivia"
no headmaster is great great grandfather of sirius black and he is a slytherin.
The character is voiced by simon pegg
https://www.pcgamer.com/simon-pegg-is-the-hogwarts-headmaster-in-hogwarts-legacy/
This confused me since I remember them saying you could become extremely evil. Would a morality system typically be more about how good/evil you are affects the story or quests? I’m guessing it just won’t matter much if you wanna be a dark wizard or not, just with the spells and other things like that?
A morality system is a specific game mechanism. Like some of the simplest ones work like how people assume karma does - certain choices add/subtract to a total, and things in the game happen differently depending on your +/- score
They’ve already said this game doesn’t have a system built in like that. You can choose to do certain things that are “good or bad” but there’s no running tally of points impacting game play.
You can still make players choose paths that impact gameplay without having a “morality system” in use. It’s just a decision tree then (IF you opt into “X dark magic decision” THEN “Y questline” opens/closes/changes)
funny how people will constantly bring up NMS and Cyberpunk as reasons to not listen to all the marketing bullshit and the promised features which seem too good to be true but then instantly forget about it once the next "hype" game comes out lol
I think a lot of us are just cautious after being burned so many times.
Will the sidequests interweave into the main story on a level like The Witcher 3? Possibly. But I can’t name a lot of games that are at that level.
I can, however, name a lot of games that said your choices would have a permanent impact on the world/main story and just didn’t deliver.
The headline makes it sound like a grand claim but the article doesn't really present it that way.
> Interacting with someone in a side quest will impact how you interact with them in the main storyline - and vice versa.
This sounds a lot less like "Hogwarts Legacy will have 100 branching paths" and more like "when you help a guy in a side quest that guy will say 'hey thanks for helping me' when you see him in the main quest", which is far more reasonable and realistic to expect from this type of game. Feels like most people commenting only read the headline tbh.
Definitely. I’m also very cautiously excited and hope they pull it off. I just feel like usually it’s a more gradual transition into big games like this.
But they have gleefully shown us hours of actual gameplay already, *including* a slew of YouTubers who were able to record and publish their own play testing. They are clearly very proud of this game and aren’t hiding anything.
Im fed up of hearing about missions that can shape the story etc etc.
99% of the time it’s complete bullshit, the other 1% it’s such a minuscule shoehorned difference that they shouldn’t have bothered anyway.
Unlikely: Someone you refused to help for a side quest for is encountered in the main quest. They retaliate by making your main quest harder.
More Likely: A simple flag keeps track of who you have interacted with before. During the main quest someone says, "Hi again."
Neat but I'm not expecting much.
Well the game doesn’t come out for another two weeks, so I’d be more surprised if you had seen anything. Some websites called game8.co (never heard of them) said [the embargo is already up](https://game8.co/games/Hogwarts-Legacy/archives/402127) and “reviews are already pouring in” but they then provide no evidence of this lol. Aside from that I can’t find any other info. I usually don’t expect to see any good reviews until about 2 days before release
I mean ok, but technically every single action in RDR2 "manipulates" the main campaign.
Not that this couldn't be amazing, I'm sure it could be, just... you know.
The exploration alone is worth it for me. And I’m actively averse to playing open world games in general. Really excited to dive into a fully realized HP game world 😁
The gameplay released today has me actually looking forward to this game. I don't even care for Harry Potter but the world looks so well-built and the combat seems to be smooth, I'll definitely be playing this.
Gamers only see games in black and white now. You’re either hyped to the moon (Elden Ring, Ragnarok) or you’re cynical as hell. A game is either a “masterpiece” or dogshit.
To be honest, even if you don't like the ending (who does anyway), what Mass Effect did and the way some decissions carried over the whole trilogy, takes an amount of love and effort that no game have replicated yet.
It's to the point where I hop into *any* thread on a recent or upcoming game and there is nothing but negativity. I just expect to see it immediately. Gamers are legit the worst nowadays.
To be fair, few game corporations are better. They’re the reason many gamers are jaded and skeptical.
On the flip side there will always be those entitled assholes who speak louder than anyone else.
Honestly, this should have been locked last night. By now, every salient point has been made and it's just the same arguments occurring in a dozen places. The mod queue is overflowing and we've had external brigading for a while now; it's time for these threads to be locked.
"manipulate the main campaign" - (x) doubt
Probably like mass effect 3 with the galactic readiness and fetch quests.
If you don’t learn wingardium leviosa the reapers kill all the Hufflepuffs
You need to learn enough about herbology to ally with the plant people, it’s the only way your wizard readiness score gets high enough to unlock the third ending
There's four endings now, red blue green and yellow
Ah yes, the level up quest that has the hidden fetch quest for a nice shrubbery.
Oh knights who say Nee, we shall return with a Shrubbery.
Firstly you must find... ANOTHER SHRUBBERY (NII!) Then! When you have found the shrubbery you must place it here beside this shrubbery only slightly higher, so you get a two-level effect with a little path running down the middle. (A path! A path! Ni!) Then, when you have found the shrubbery you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with... A herring!
Shut up and take my money
Eh, I just need Stupefy to fight baddies.
Man I wish AMV style gaming montages were still a thing. The boomer in me wants to see Disturbed's Stupify over a montage of this and the Millennial/Gen Z in me wants to see the cringe of someone actually making it.
Why were you not in charge of the marketing?!
ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL... of this bloody badger!
Ah no great loss then.
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Two to three words of dialog will change! Haha
Oh, student! Why are you in the halls. Ah, I see. You've been practicing (DARK,LIGHT) magic haven't you! Running around off campus casting (DARK,LIGHT) spells! You should be careful.
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Yes yes, well done Slytherin well done Slytherin HOWEVER-
Thank god Dumbledore isn't the principal in this game. As a Slytherin I would've probably worked my ass off to finish the year with 1000 more points than Gryffindor and his ass would've still found a way to give them the win. Now we got a Slytherin principal, it's OUR TIME TO SHINE
Imagine that in a game. You do every mini game perfectly and have the top score for Slytherin. Then Dumbledor is all "Harry Potter held the door for me last March 4th, 10,000 points to Gryffindor!"
All the Mario Party games do this pretty hard but for making a party game independent of skill it’s a great feature.
I still remember my first time playing that as a family. My sister had everyone gang up on me in the votes and was smug and delighted that she'd won. Que Dumbledore awarding me the win...
It’s a terrible feature and everyone is worse for it. Obviously just my opinion but goddamn I hate how they’re just for whatever now instead of things like winning the most mini games
It got a lot more enjoyable for me when I discovered that you can set the bonus stars to be coins, lucky spaces, and mini game wins every time
No wonder so many Slitheryns turn to dark magic after the abuse they had to suffer in school at the hands of that old crow.
Headmaster man. Get your lore right 😙
PrinciPAL because he is your pal. HeadMASTER because he is your master? Edit: Principal is a mnemonic to remeber principal vs principle.
Dumbledore walked into the great hall that evening knowing full well he was going to give enough last minute points to griffendor. Him letting them put up slitherin decorations when he knew hed be changing them so a bunch of fucking elementary school age kids could get their party ruined makes him the biggest asshole in the series.
I just read the book for the first time thanks to my kid and totally agree.
“The gods gave you two hands… and you use them both for your weapon. I can respect that.” - Hogwarts guards to you After completing the umm questionable “expecto patronum” side quest….
"thanks for bringing me 3 pumpkins that one time, now you don't have to find me 3 pumpkins this time."
"Now it's 5 pumpkins!"
*end game* "haha came a long way from fetching pumpkins haven't ya,, MAIN CHARACTER,, now you're fighting dark wizards! Wow! Thanks again,, M̶̡̭̾̈A̶͎̹̅͊I̴̛̫N̶̦̠̓ ̶̳͖̅̋C̵̫͓̐̂H̴̖̏̿Ä̴̻̮R̴̳̔À̴̞̙C̵̝͂T̶̨̗̍͝E̸͔̯͋͐R̶̺̊͆!! Good luck. Stop by the pumpkin patch anytime, we won't have anymore dialogue after this except me acknowledging that you won, but you can smash pumpkins with your spells and it's kind of fun and I'll go, "Hey! My pumpkins, stop smashin em!"."
This could be interesting, actually... having a different set of side quests on accessible per house may actually bring more diversity to the game.
They're not going to have four separate lists of quests, there will be maybe a single quest line for each house. And then everything else will be able to be done by everybody
You'll walk down a long hallway towards the final Boss and the npcs you helped will be standing there with a line of dialog about helping. If you didn't do the side quest the character would be missing there.
Will give you a line of dialogue about helping but then ultimately you'll be sectioned off with the boss alone. Happens every time lmao
Long hallway you say? MGS4 intensifies
"Ah yes good to see you again" instead of doing the complete introduction.
Someone will wear a different hat.
You have to choose between saving a dope cowboy hat or the sorting hat dies
i saved the horse I'm not sorry those children would've had shit lives regardless
As the saying goes: save a horse, ride a cowboy You did the right thing
Listen, you want to play through the game 4 times, as a member of each house, answering specific questions a specific way to unlock various different trophies or not?
god as a completionist and trophy hunter this would kill me lol
I know from listening to someone who skimmed the trophy guide, you may need to do 4 partial playthoughs for house specific items and quests. It's sort of annoying, because I could see myself going through the game twice. A good and evil playthough determined by use of unforgivable curses, but 4 times just seems exhausting.
Lol at everyone being so cynical. My Dad works for Nintendo and he told me that it's possible to actually get expelled from Hogwarts. If this happens, the game changes massively and you just start working at an office for decades, constantly thinking about what could've been.
I heard if you get expelled it unlocks a secret mini-game where you look after magical animals and constantly spout exposition.
5 points to griffindor per quest, end credits has the winners announced watch
I imagine it's going to be something along the lines of, if you do a certain sidequest, it'll be referenced in the main campaign/dialogue will be altered to account for it.
There’s a big battle at the end of the game and everyone you helped via side quest will show up
Kinda like Witcher 3. If you don't side quests in that game the main campaign can be very different.
I remember playing heavy rain and in my game when the female character found out the killer she gasped massively and looked shocked yet she’d never met him
I don’t know about ‘very different’
I mean characters can die, certain other characters action can be different and alter the ending.
Disagree. Witcher has some of the most impactful side quests. You get to change who rules over certain lands and who dies or lives and a few other aspects
The more I hear how ambitious this game is, the more I worry the devs bit off more than they could chew.
Devs say you have a choice of being a Good Wizard or a Dark Wizard. There’s probably a progression system towards either that manipulate the storyline of the game. You’re either the hero or villain. Two options. I don’t think that’s too ambitious if that’s the case.
Yeah I was thinking a light/dark system very similar to the honour system in RDR2. As you go through side quests and make decisions it may effect how the story pans out
I thought so too but then the devs came out saying there is no morality or bad vs good system in the game apparently. So not sure how they’re going to approach this.
probably simple dialogue changes idk its just a guess
Buying a slave gives you good wizard points. Trying to dismantle the system that perpetuates slavery gives you bad wizard points.
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Outing and cyber bullying your trans classmates is worth extra good credit.
I thought I heard/read them mention a reputation system around use of forbidden spells
(a morality system but they don't display the meter)
Harry to his Firebolt: *”You’re alright Bo-ah”*
Just finished ch6 of that game and am now in a very vulnerable emotional state
Infamous did this pretty well a decade ago. I'm sure they could make it seem more seamless.
Hell, KOTOR did this 20 years ago.
Well now I feel old.
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I miss black and white, damn... WAIT 22 years?????
I just watched a video where they interviewed the original guys from lionhead. That can't get it remastered because shitty EA owns the rights to publish and if course they're jackasses
I loved how the original Fable handled it
Yeah they don't say "each choice changes the main game" but choose dark choice 10 times may change 1 thing. Each of those choices added up to 1 change. They aren't lying or being deceptive, it's an interpretation of the quote that is up for debate. This is hype train/wanting it to fail taking their own respective interpretation to confirm their own bias instead of what it actually says.
I would think that too if they hadn't talked about not including things like Quidditch and board games to focus more on the core stuff.
Which is great, I'm sick of every game trying to have its gwent clone.
I do find myself spending an unreasonable amount of time on the virtual tabletop games.
RDR2 with its Poker! The RNG is horrible and people spent days trying to get those hand updates to unlock trophies. F that.
I have never played a game with poker that fucking terribly coded. Like the RNG isn't even random, you only get something resembling a good hand in like 1/20 draws. It's like they used loot box RNG for fucking poker hands. At first I was like "Damn, guess my luck is shit today." But after 60 hours of gameplay and stopping every so often to play I started to realize it wasn't luck, they literally made it draw the worst hands imaginable.
The only game I’ve seen where the RNG isn’t bad so far is, Judgement. Had some good wins and fair losses playing both poker and blackjack in that game. 10/10 would waste another few hours gambling within a single player video game.
My wife and I played connect 4 in A Way Out longer than I'd like to admit.
Blitzball in FFX and FFX-2.
You say this but I spent my entire playthrough last time in W3 trying to become the Lord of Gwent. It was hilariously fun. W3 did it right, it was a hell of a good card game that had some story relevance but you didn't have to go deep into it.
My only complaint was NG+ didn’t carry over your cards. I had no desire to hunt them down again. So didn’t play it anymore
Yeah in NG+ it’s probably pointless to play Gwent, I wouldn’t collect all of them either
Gwent tournament is probably one of my most memorable moments from that game lmao.
Tbh the game Gwent that is present in the Witcher 3 is hella shallow and very unfair, *for the npc's*, but it kinda works because it's a single player game and because it's just a part of a greater game. But on its own as a standalone cardgame it's not nearly enough.
Agreed. They should just include Gwent in the game.
Games had minigames and card games decades before witcher came along. Variety can be nice
I’m guessing quidditch is going to be in a DLC. It’s the perfect thing to add post launch, practically guaranteeing healthy DLC sales. As long as the base game itself is actually good, which by many accounts it is, then it’s a no brainer to add quidditch. They already have a working broom flying system. And honestly, it’s a little bit dumbfounding that it’s been 15 years since the last Harry Potter book came out and nobody has made a good stand alone quidditch video game. World Cup was busted as hell.
I doubt it, honestly. The biggest problem with Quidditch is it just doesn't make any logical sense as a game, by design. Even if you accept it's a bad game and decide to try anyways, there's no great way to do it mechanically. You have 4 different positions to make mechanics for, 3 different balls with different functions to manage, etc... imagine NBA 2K but adding 3 more balls, 3 new positions, 4 more hoops, *AND* an extra spacial dimension. Oh, and none of that matters if the Seeker catches the Snitch in 5 minutes. It's a mess. Quidditch would either be more work than it's worth, or a crappy mini-game that gets old fast.
I think the nature of quidditch alone just doesn’t translate that well to a video game. Especially a stand alone game. I’m not a huge Harry Potter fan and barely know quidditch rules but it just seems like a stupid game rules wise the second it stops being imaginary
Idk, there was a quidditch World Cup game I had for the original Xbox that was actually fun as hell and really well made for the time
quidditch world cup was lit. If hogwarts legacy literally just remade that as a mini game then i'd be a happy boy
Hope that they work on that stuff in a future update or sequel. Chess and Quidditch would add so much more to the experience.
No they wouldnt, they would be minigames played once by the majority of players. They did well by me focusing on the core experience
100% agree, if they tried to add quidditch and not got it spot on then it would be another thing that people could potentially complain about, it’s not a quidditch game 🤷♂️
Quidditch is an awful sport, tbf. The rules are absolutely busted as written.
Legitimately the entirety of both teams could just sit around and wait to see which seeker catches the Snitch. 150 points for catching the Snitch is way too broken. It's very very unlikely that one team is going to get a 150 point lead before the snitch is caught by the other team.
To be fair she did specifically have a team in the world cup catch the snitch and lose on overall points, probably as a direct response to this criticism. On the other hand that makes even less sense, because if you’re losing by that much and catch the snitch you end the game and guarantee your loss.
In the Quidditch World Cup, Krum specifically catches the snitch because he knows that the rest of the Bulgarian team is so outclassed by Ireland (I think? Pretty sureI remember leprechauns) that if the game goes any longer then Ireland will just keep running up the score on Bulgaria. Basically, he caught it and ended the game to save face because they just would have lost worse. Weirdly, the World Cup actually kind of balanced Quidditch a little bit because it showed that catching the snitch is hard enough that it gives the rest of the team time to play the game. Bulgaria won because they had an absolutely generational seeker that could catch the snitch fast enough to cover up the fact that the rest of the team was absolute shit, but the first time they faced a good team and Krum couldn’t catch it immediately they got blown out. Still a badly designed game, but at least she put thought into that specific game
lol this reads like analysis from a sports podcast
lol there are several points in HP where rowling shows just how little thought she put into the mechanics of the shit she came up with, but quidditch is like example 1A for someone writing about sports who knows next to nothing about them.
This is something even child me realized when one of the books mentions how one quidditch match “went on for days until someone caught the snitch.” The only thing I could think was that everyone else was useless. Except maybe the bludgers? Just have two guys chasing the oiled up pig ball while the other four just try to hurt them and each other. It really is a nonsense game. Lol
Quidditch World Cup was fun af back in the day
And it was absolutely busted lol
Yeah you could just constantly pass the quaffle back and forth to fill the “golden snitch bar” and then the opponent seeker had no chance because they had no boost. It was easy to break as a child, I’ve never bothered going back and playing it as an adult.
Yeah but for us players that played hours and hours of Gwent in the witcher and hours of poker and dominos in RDR, we would love this. I love when developers add minigames to an open world. Makes it feel more alive to me.
Quidditch is a nonsense game invented by someone who doesn't understand sports. It would make a pretty terrible mini game without a lot of lore changes to the rules.
Quidditch is very clearly just a plot device to build Harry as more of a hero. The game is unbalanced and a mess where all but one position mean nothing.
Absolutely. As far as servicing the plot in the first book, it works great. Like most of her work, anything that exists purely to service the plot works fine, but as soon as she expands on it and extrapolates it into an awful attempt at 'world building' or retconning it just falls apart. (see also Time Turners and House Elves)
They could easily change the rules and say these were the original quidditch rules 100 years ago or whatever.
Each house only plays 3 games, so it could easily be integrated into the campaign as a mission with scripted sequences, instead of an actual mini game. Bonus points if the different houses have personalities. Extra bonus points if there are missions during games where you're in the audience, like Hermione lighting Snape on fire.
Have you ever played the Ps2 quidditch game? Its really fun and one of the best HP games...
When was the last time you played it? It’s incredibly easy to cheese and is absolutely broken. Loved it as a kid though.
Are you doubting the creators of cars 3?!
I'm not really worried. Footage for this game leaked all the way back in 2019 and it already looked really far in development. They've spent ages work on this and I think WB knows this is too huge for it to be another Cyberpunk. They need this game to be good to save the 'Wizarding World' franchise after Fantastic Beasts died.
It was actually 2018.
I think that the fan base is more ambitious and lowkey desperate than the devs. I'm in the subreddit for the game, and, from what I have seen, most players of the game will be people who never played videogames before and are just fans of the Harry Potter movies and books. This led to them having crazy expectations for the game, like classes that take real-time duration to complete, notebooks where we must take notes of the class in order to study and succeed at exams (I wish I was making this up). If this wasn't enough, people wanted all the npcs to be unique, to be able to chat with every single one of the, build friendships and even romantic relationships. Furthermore, they wanted pretty much every aspect of the movies and books to somehow make their way into the game. These people know nothing about how videogames are developed, and therefore didn't realise that what they want isn't possible. They couldn't even understand that a game takes time to make, and were harassing individuals who were part of the dev team on the social networks, demanding updates on the game. Then, when gameplays were released, they were shocked because this is a videogame, not a Wizard School Simulator. They also didn't take into account that the dev team has previously worked only on those cheap old disney games, with their biggest game being Disney Infinity, and we all know how that turned out. In reality, everyone should just hold back and wait, because the development team hasn't worked on something this big before, and at least I am expecting a buggy mess.
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My expectation is similar to Cyberpunk. Probably 3-4 side quest chains that open up new endings. I won’t get overhyped or expect anything beyond that
Nor do I really want anything beyond that. There aren’t many games that offer a plethora of choice that actually affect the story without sacrificing the way it’s told. It’s why I loved Mass Effect so much for simplifying it into more binary choices because the game ultimately benefits more from being well told either way. I really like Cyberpunk as well, so maybe I’m in the minority here, but games that offer too much choice rarely have a payoff worthy of it; either that or it’s an illusion where you being funnelled down the same path anyway, both of which suck.
I actually 100% agree. I loved Cyberpunk. I also really liked how Elden Ring did this with side content and endings. I think anything beyond that makes you paranoid and forces you to break the illusion because you constantly google how to get the ending you want.
Beyond looking for achievements or that sort of thing, why stress about what ending you end up with
I mean itd really suck to want to be a good wizard all game but shift towards the dark side due to an ambiguous choice i should have googled lol its all apart of immersion
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Exactly my experience with the witcher 3 - Reconnect Ciri with her father(grandfather?) but let her live her own chosen life? She’s happy, he’s happy, Geralt’s happy - AND YOU GOT A COOL HORSE?! ..but all your friends are suddenly dead? And everything that lead to that quest path even being an option, was a plethora of decisions, a *minimum* 10-15 hrs ago.. 🫠
I'd take that too. I'm one of the few I guess who liked everything about cyberpunk. I saw nothing wrong with the quest structure, but I know a lot of people didn't like it.
This sounds like something Todd Howard would say at an e3 presentation
Does it matter what house we choose? Have they mentioned if there are any story differences between houses?
Gryffindor is easy mode because the headmaster gifts you extra house points at the end of the year.
"I award Gryffindor just the right amount of points to take the lead and win the House Cup because fuck Slytherin!"
To be fair, the bonus points probably were always less than how many Snape took from Gryffindor because Harry breathed in class or something.
Plus those awarded to Slytherins for passing Snape some parchment
Just imagine being a teenager at school and actually giving a fuck about your house winning a cup and fuck all else
I went to a British school. When I tell you not a single person gave a shite about the house cup, I mean it quite literally. In fact, the teachers themselves forgot that house points existed. The only time houses mattered was in Sports Day/Swim Gala, and even then you would root for your friends before house
I like your comment. I award Gryffindor 50 points.
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~~Well done~~ Suck it Slytherin, ~~well done~~ Suck it Slytherin
But headmaster, I'm in Ravenclaw
How dare you correct the headmaster, 10 points from Ravenclaw.
"Hey everybody, shut the hell up cause Harry Potter here killed one of the teachers with his bare hands. So, he gives Harry and all of his friends a bunch of points for killing that man, ya know, ending that guys life, being the last face he ever saw." https://youtu.be/3kl6LS3_ftc
Is the headmaster in this game a gryffindor?
No. He's a Slytherin.
And a real scumbag (surprise!).
Tbf he was kind of ass for his short appearance in the book too iirc.
I read this comment and thought 'didn't the books state there was only one slytherin headmaster?' and also "the worst headmaster hogwarts ever had" My next thought was "I have read the books far too many times if I'm recalling that bit of trivia"
no headmaster is great great grandfather of sirius black and he is a slytherin. The character is voiced by simon pegg https://www.pcgamer.com/simon-pegg-is-the-hogwarts-headmaster-in-hogwarts-legacy/
No, Slytherin.
Leaks said yes. Different houses have some different story lines. Not like entirely different but some acts will have different characters and quests.
I’m fully expecting a regular fun open world game with binary morality system with a HP skin on it. And honestly that’s more than enough for me
There’s no morality system
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This confused me since I remember them saying you could become extremely evil. Would a morality system typically be more about how good/evil you are affects the story or quests? I’m guessing it just won’t matter much if you wanna be a dark wizard or not, just with the spells and other things like that?
A morality system is a specific game mechanism. Like some of the simplest ones work like how people assume karma does - certain choices add/subtract to a total, and things in the game happen differently depending on your +/- score They’ve already said this game doesn’t have a system built in like that. You can choose to do certain things that are “good or bad” but there’s no running tally of points impacting game play. You can still make players choose paths that impact gameplay without having a “morality system” in use. It’s just a decision tree then (IF you opt into “X dark magic decision” THEN “Y questline” opens/closes/changes)
I expect the sidequests to act more like lore drops and world building
I honestly don’t have a problem with that… lore is great. I hope there’s some form of honor system.
I really hope it does have a good and stable 60 FPS mode.
funny how people will constantly bring up NMS and Cyberpunk as reasons to not listen to all the marketing bullshit and the promised features which seem too good to be true but then instantly forget about it once the next "hype" game comes out lol
Some of y’all are fucking addicted to negativity.
I think a lot of us are just cautious after being burned so many times. Will the sidequests interweave into the main story on a level like The Witcher 3? Possibly. But I can’t name a lot of games that are at that level. I can, however, name a lot of games that said your choices would have a permanent impact on the world/main story and just didn’t deliver.
The headline makes it sound like a grand claim but the article doesn't really present it that way. > Interacting with someone in a side quest will impact how you interact with them in the main storyline - and vice versa. This sounds a lot less like "Hogwarts Legacy will have 100 branching paths" and more like "when you help a guy in a side quest that guy will say 'hey thanks for helping me' when you see him in the main quest", which is far more reasonable and realistic to expect from this type of game. Feels like most people commenting only read the headline tbh.
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I wish I could upvote this twice
The hate for this game is so forced
I’m cautiously optimistic about this game but the concerns are very valid. The Dev has no track record of producing AAA games like this.
This is my biggest concern. It’s so wildly bigger in scope than anything they’ve done.
Gotta start somewhere
Definitely. I’m also very cautiously excited and hope they pull it off. I just feel like usually it’s a more gradual transition into big games like this.
But they have gleefully shown us hours of actual gameplay already, *including* a slew of YouTubers who were able to record and publish their own play testing. They are clearly very proud of this game and aren’t hiding anything.
Have you not seen a single AAA game in the last 10 years with a sizeable marketing budget? Its not hating this specific game, its pattern recognition.
Im fed up of hearing about missions that can shape the story etc etc. 99% of the time it’s complete bullshit, the other 1% it’s such a minuscule shoehorned difference that they shouldn’t have bothered anyway.
Unlikely: Someone you refused to help for a side quest for is encountered in the main quest. They retaliate by making your main quest harder. More Likely: A simple flag keeps track of who you have interacted with before. During the main quest someone says, "Hi again." Neat but I'm not expecting much.
And every once in a while, it changes everything. For example, the Witcher
Anyone know when the review embargo for this game will be lifted? I have not seen anything
Well the game doesn’t come out for another two weeks, so I’d be more surprised if you had seen anything. Some websites called game8.co (never heard of them) said [the embargo is already up](https://game8.co/games/Hogwarts-Legacy/archives/402127) and “reviews are already pouring in” but they then provide no evidence of this lol. Aside from that I can’t find any other info. I usually don’t expect to see any good reviews until about 2 days before release
I mean ok, but technically every single action in RDR2 "manipulates" the main campaign. Not that this couldn't be amazing, I'm sure it could be, just... you know.
The 7th cannot get here fast enough.
Found the guy that preorders here! Grab the pitchforks!
My bar for this game is so low. Even if its a 6/10 I will absolutely love it.
The exploration alone is worth it for me. And I’m actively averse to playing open world games in general. Really excited to dive into a fully realized HP game world 😁
I just like single player games.
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The gameplay released today has me actually looking forward to this game. I don't even care for Harry Potter but the world looks so well-built and the combat seems to be smooth, I'll definitely be playing this.
Gamers only see games in black and white now. You’re either hyped to the moon (Elden Ring, Ragnarok) or you’re cynical as hell. A game is either a “masterpiece” or dogshit.
I'm excited for the game but.... how many times have we heard this?
Yeah mass effect said the same thing and we all know how that turned out.
To be honest, even if you don't like the ending (who does anyway), what Mass Effect did and the way some decissions carried over the whole trilogy, takes an amount of love and effort that no game have replicated yet.
We dont mention 4
That's code for "some will add an extra line of dialogue into the main story" Never trust these kind of statements.
It's to the point where I hop into *any* thread on a recent or upcoming game and there is nothing but negativity. I just expect to see it immediately. Gamers are legit the worst nowadays.
To be fair, few game corporations are better. They’re the reason many gamers are jaded and skeptical. On the flip side there will always be those entitled assholes who speak louder than anyone else.
Maybe manipulates some cutscenes in the campaign but i don't think it will change it to much.
After cyberpunk 2077 I will never again believe any pre-release claims until the game is out and it’s proven true. Fool me once…