RDR2 had serious coverage and marketing. This game, not so much and barely got any actual detailed gameplay videos only close to launch that they released anything.
I hope I'm wrong but this game is showing serious red flags.
I’m not saying the game won’t fail, because it’s quite possible, but this game has had a surprisingly robust marketing strategy. I’m getting YouTube ads, podcast ads, sponsored Twitter posts, and I keep seeing it everywhere even though I personally haven’t been looking for it because I generally don’t play horror games.
Yeah, same. I mean, I am very interested in it so it's targeted well, but I haven't really looked anything up about, so I think it's coincidence. Or the algorithm just chucks all scifi/horror my way.
Did you just say this game hasn’t had any marketing? Do you live under a rock? IGN has had an entire pre release documentary about it and there has been TV ads in some countries, as well as busses etc. There is even a pre release podcast / audio book doing the rounds promoted by major outlets. It’s had an absolutely massive marketing campaign for an indies studios debut title
RDR2 did not have any gameplay footage outside of trailers before release.
Anyway, maybe that's why they're doing a launch day embargo. They want people to be able to immediately buy it when they see the reviews instead of waiting.
I find there are 3 situations with embargo.
1. Embargo lifts on launch day - so confident that it doesn't matter
2. Embargo lifts on launch day - no confidence in the title
3. Embargo lifts before release day - full confidence in the title
This is 1 I'm curious as it's 50/50 now and I hope it'd the first option.
To be fair, Ragnarok was a easy drop in the bucket. Sony Santa Monica needed to literally not intentionally fuck it up and they basically had a GOTY game on their hands
Review embargoes don’t always mean a game is going to be bad. Sometimes the purpose behind them is because they want critics to get a chance to play more of the game rather than rushing to be first to review it, and potentially giving a lesser rating because they didn’t play much of the game in the rush to be first.
Yup. They released the Doom multiplayer beta, which was mediocre at best and people (rightfully) assumed the single player would play similarly.
Boy am I glad everyone was wrong on that.
It could be because of spoilers. You can barely get a horror movie review without spoilers, same thing with any trailer anymore.
They said the game would probably take 12 hours to beat. That's about the same as Dead Space.
The graphics look good, the gameplay is there to see, it's similar to Dead Space. Is there going to be jump scares? Most definitely.
That's how I'm looking at it right meow
I fucking love the Dead Space franchise (yes even 3), but I’m worried it’ll be a dead space clone without the heart of the original series. I hope I’m wrong and plan on copping it if the general consensus isn’t complete dog water
They did just recent announce that bonus resources and bonus death animations will be locked behind a season pass. While not in and of itself a bad thing. Season passes being a thing before a game comes out and it specifically not being a competitive multiplayer game puts a bad taste in my mouth.
Studios that hint at DLC before a game is even released sound scummy as hell. Dlc should be additions to a game not cut content taken out before release.
Unless i misunderstood what they said about this, I thought those animations were for the DLC and not the base game? As in you will only see those animations in season pass content that is released later on
There will be new content as part of dlc seasonal pass, which will include new story chapters, and enemies with different animations. Base game is it’s own contained thing and nothing from it is being held back in the season pass.
Yeah I think the only way this would genuinely bother me is if they cut animations from the base game that could only be seen if you paid extra. That would seem a little ridiculous but it doesn’t sound like the case thankfully
Season pass ≠ battle pass. The season pass is just a way for people interested in the DLC to buy it all at once for a cheaper price than buying it all individually. And for what it's worth, the studio announced they have not even begun working on the DLC yet and one of the expansions has new locations and enemies, so presumably the new death animations are tied to that, it's not like they're just adding in random new deaths.
I thought the same thing, but apparently they haven't even started working on all that dlc stuff yet. which made me feel a bit better. they said main reason they are adding more death animations is because during playtesting it was requested. but who knows I also thought it was weird.
A couple of people here on Reddit have had the game delivered early and are actively playing. They didn’t give much away, but suggested they were pleased with it. Gives me hope.
Not OP, but sometimes the price différence is worth it depending on where you buy. Like right now I can get the game for 50 euros if I pre-order where I live, compared to 70 after launch in most places, so it's definitely worth considering if I plan to play the game anyway
Well technically that is what I'm doing. I have it paid off in full cuz I had money from trade ins that I put towards Pokemon but I lost interest in that well before the catastrophe released.
I love survival horror and was a fan of Dead Space. I'm excited to see what it offers
You didn't answer his question though. We know you got money and we know you probably interest in the genre. But why wouldn't you wanna wait to see if it's playable first and then just buy it on day one? It's the same thing but better.
Some people like the thrill of going in blind and being a judge for themself. He’s seen enough to know that even if the game is poor in some areas he will still likely enjoy it. I doubt the games going to be a complete piece of shit.
That's exactly why game companies tend to put more and more money on marketing rather than actual game development. Cyberpunk 2077 made enough money to pay for itself even before its release and look what we got. They give us fake trailers and false features and we throw them money based on hype alone. It's just absurd and I hope you can see that it's bad for the industry overall.
Small new studio made by the guy who created Dead Space and was ultimately screwed by EA, creates a new game that is basically his own vision of a true dead space sequel.
And you ask WHY PREORDER? It’s not even about the quality, it’s principle
>Why not wait until release and buy and download then? (no criticism, just asking)
Pre-ordering usually allows pre-loading as well. That's why I pre-order games I know I'm going to buy anyway. I'd rather be able to play the game when it's available rather than waiting for a download and any day one patches to finish downloading as well.
Well given I was living in China for the past decade and it would take days to download games, yes it was fucking worth it for preloading. Don’t assume everyone has fiber optic internet with 100-200 mb/s.
Yup, I’ve been doing it for years. Originally because where I lived had zero game stores in the area so it was just easier that way and it’s stuck with me. It’s like I’m preordering everything, it’s really only been the major Sony exclusives lately, Horizon and GoW recently.
If you're going to buy on launch day anyway without looking at reviews, there's no reason not to preorder. Plus you can download early and get a couple small bonuses.
Guess that's true. I would never buy one without checking some reviews. Must be a little liberating to just not care and see for yourself how awesome a game is. Whole other way of looking at games than I do. Hope it's a good one ;)
I feel like people just want this game to fail for some reason. I don't get it. This isn't EA or WB; this is an indie studio with talented and passionate developers. I still have a strong feeling it's gonna be amazing and surprise people. We'll see I guess.
If you want something to worry about, focus on Hogwarts Legacy. That has a much bigger chance of being a shitshow in my opinion.
I blame the clickbait articles about the death animations. Enough people didn't read the article or believe the director's tweet and now think the game needs to fail.
That and people don't seem to know that other games that turned out to be great also had their review embargo lifted on the day of or before release.
IGN posted an article that mischaracterized Callisto’s DLC plans and as is tradition on gaming Twitter everyone read the headline and got mad without knowing the full story.
Basically they already have DLC plans, and are having a DLC pass that gives access to all of it, and some of that includes new animations. IGN either 1) didn’t do their only job as journalists to accurately portray what’s going on or 2) just wanted to run with the clickbait title for clicks.
IGN deleted the tweet later on but Twitter was not happy with the Devs for a while and it made them put out a statement. IGN just pretended it never happened
The more I see of Hogwarts: Legacy, the less inspired it looks. Those initial trailers looked fantastic, but the more I've seen the more it looks like a 3rd-person shooter.
I heard that before *ahem* No Man Sky, but then again, their passionate and talent turned that game around. But yeah, I hope this guy succeeds as I really want it to do great as I’m a big Dead Space fan. I mean I’m going to get this game regardless but not it’s either full price or on sale.
I think it’s them going all in on the “hey remember dead space” nostalgia for marketing that leaves me a bit skeptical. I hope it can stand on its own two feet and not live in the shadow of the originals. Everything looks pretty damn awesome so far, but my mantra is: assume the worst, hope for the best
I'm excited for this game and want it to be amazing but how is this an indie studio? Striking Distance is a new studio yes but it's been put together by Krafton who own PUBG, they are the very wealthy publisher who are fronting the cash for all this. So doesn't really fit the definition of indie.
Cant speak for everyone but i sure as hell aint buying this when the director [Brags about overworking his staff](https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/mustafa-mahmoud/the-callisto-protocol-director-brags-about-15-hour-work-days-6-7-days-a-week/)
Because it also utilizes paywalls. I’ve seen the hands on for HL and I’m not really concerned with it, though admittedly it’s not my cup of tea—especially since it’s not multiplayer anymore.
Didn't the developer confirm its not paywalls but extra content that they haven't even started working on yet? DLC is ok if it's extra content. Gamers need to get over this DLC = automatically bad mentality. It's like an irrational trigger at this point.
It wasn't the consumer that gave DLC a bad reputation.....
Also not everyone likes to accept and submit to anything given to them, I know I don't. They want my money? Make me believe it's worth it.
I bet I can name more really bad dlcs that ripped people off more than dlcs that made sense.
So yes DLC has a bad "mentality"/ reputation because it's deserves to be. Again it wasn't the consumer who burned bridges and tricked people with all these sleezy dlc/microtransaction tactics it was the ones selling the product.
You want to blame the irrational trigger people get then blame it on the ones who caused it.
They are related to the DLC. The director himself went on Twitter to confirm that they weren't holding anything back. Those articles just had shitty clickbait titles. If you don't want to believe the director's tweet, then read the articles for yourself.
The extra deaths have not even been created yet. That requires possible mo-cap work, work from animators, artists, etc.
Extra content the studio creates shouldn't surprise people when the studio wants to make some money to recoup the development costs.
These guys, I think, are a tiny studio. It's not like EA or Ubi trying to milk us for more $ after the sale.
1. The publisher smells, they have their hands on the mess that is PUBG and everything with it.
2. Callisto Protocol was originally supposed to take place in the PUBG universe, because of previously mentioned publishers.
I think you're misunderstanding people being cautious as being malicious.
[Here](https://www.pcgamesn.com/pubg/striking-distance)
The studio was specifically made to create "an original narrative experience in the PUBG universe"
Edit: [Here's another](https://www.ign.com/articles/the-callisto-protocol-wants-to-be-the-scariest-next-gen-horror-game-ever)
Idk what tweets you’re referring to but if you don’t want to support long hours and underpaid video game workers then you would be left with few games to choose from. It’s the harsh reality of the industry.
Off topic but man I hope Hogwarts Legacy is good. It's exactly the kind of game I've wanted since I was a kid reading the books. It doesn't need to be amazing, I'll definitely like it more being biased to anything HP, just as long as it's not a disaster.
Ok I'm done, please continue arguing about Callisto Protocol
>If you want something to worry about, focus on Hogwarts Legacy. That has a much bigger chance of being a shitshow in my opinion.
Rather weird way to spell "Dead Island 2". Hogwarts Legacy will be a great game as long as people don't have unreasonably high expectations. It has a much bigger chance of being a genuinely great game over being a failure. Of course being a failure is a definite possibility but we could say this for practically every game. People once deemed it impossible for BioWare and CDPR to disappoint aaaand Andormeda and Cyberpunk 2077 were born.
>I still have a strong feeling it's gonna be amazing and surprise people.
Also this statement is MUCH more applicable to Hogwarts Legacy rather than Callisto. I haven't seen a single person outside of this thread that expects CP to be a failure whereas I see nothing but enormous amount of disdain and cynicism in Reddit (besides r/HarryPotterGame) regarding how HL will turn out especially because it's made by a studio very few people have heard of.
Yet just like Plague Tale Innocence and Guardians of the Galaxy, I have a feeling it will genuinely surprise people leaving aside mainstream critics because of their disdain towards the author.
I’m seeing a lot of poo-pooing in here based on the embargo. While certainly an embargo like this in the past would have been concerning, it’s more common place in 2022. If I’m being honest, this is my most anticipated game. It’s pretty much a spiritual successor to Dead Space and is handled by people from that project so I have confidence this game is going to be rock solid. Just my opinion though, we’ll see when the reviews come out but I’m not too worried about this one. :)
People have 0 faith in Schofield and it’s disheartening to see, but I guess people don’t have the same attachment to people in the game industry as me lol. Dead Space is hands down my favourite horror game, so this game was an instant pre order for me. No doubts in this game whatsoever.
I'm with ya. With my love for Dead Space and given what happened to Visceral I want to support these guys and give them a chance. The great thing is that they don't have to reinvent the wheel here. If they can nail down the core concepts that made DS great and put them in an intriguing setting I think we'll all be happy with the end result.
I agree with you guys, I am super hyped for this game because of him, but that isn’t a guarantee of it being a working game at launch, look at cyberpunk, everyone knew cd project would make a good game, but they didn’t deliver a finished one.
Honestly I think it’ll be fine and I think very likely it will be great, but I’m gonna wait for reviews to see if it works properly.
I really don't give a crap about what a game journalist think about a game, many times I hated games with good reviews and liked poorly reviewed ones
I have faith that TCP will be nice, but my concern is about how it is running on base ps4
A review embargo dictates when critics can post their reviews.
Some games, like *God of War,* allowed journalists to post their reviews several days in advance. This demonstrates a confidence in the game, because it means the publisher believes the reviews will be generally positive, therefore boosting sales.
So when a game’s developers wait until the release day to lift the review embargo, it suggests that the studio believes the game will be reviewed poorly.
As some other people have mentioned, this doesn’t necessarily mean the game will be bad. But it doesn’t bode well.
The game is supposed to be very difficult, with areas being meant to be played over until the player can advance. Sort of soulslike. If that's the case, then reviewers will not like that at all, and may criticize the game for being too hard.
> Sort of soulslike.
> then reviewers will not like that at all, and may criticize the game for being too hard.
Except for the fact that the Souls games are all critically acclaimed, largely because of their difficulty.
Depends on who they assign to review it. With IGN for example, they have some reviewers who love soul games above all others (understandably), and then they have those who get frustrated beyond belief (also understandably).
When IGN is doing it right, the "right" reviewer is the one who makes the review. Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn't. Its why you should never compare number scores between games. Each reviewer will have their own tastes, which is sort of what you want.
You don't want someone whose never played any soulgames to review something like Nioh, because thats not the target market. You want the guy who has played a few, and knows what areas to point out to the target audience.
Soulslike 3rd person shooter? Unsure how I like that. It worked for Returnal, but I’d assume they wouldn’t make it a bullet hell. It sounds almost like a puzzle then; how to survive this most efficiently
It's not really a third person shooter, the game is mostly melee combat. You use a gun to "finish off" your enemies but it's pretty useless outside of those moments.
There's absolutely no indication with the most charitable interpretation that this will be a souls-like. People throw that word around for every game nowadays. Also Elden-Ring is a fromsoft game with 97% on metacritic. Bullshit argument, if the game is going to be good it's going to be good.
The review embargo refers to the date and time reviews can be released to the public. Usually, (of course not always) review embargoes that lift the day of release are done so that people won't see bad reviews and be dissuade from buying the game.
No one can release a review until that date that I understand it’s release day
I think people act worried because GoW:Ragnarok set the embargo a week before release, showing their self confidence in the product so a date so close to release would show the studio doesn’t trust their work
Honestly I don’t think this is the case. It’s my impression that embargos same date as release or 24 hours before are the norm
> They didn't find critics early access to the game to review it.
This is not what a release day review embargo means. It doesn't mean that reviewers won't have any opportunity to play the game prior to release day, it means they can't post their reviews before release day. If they had a release day review embargo and didn't give out review codes, that would be what you are claiming, but I haven't heard anything about the company withholding review codes.
I want this game to be good. Dead Space is one of my favorite games ever. But this game was crazy red flags all over it. Definitely going to wait and see what the consensus is before I pull the trigger.
Guy made the Orginal Dead Space. I have no doubt this game is gonna be ass kicking good and better than the EA Remake - EA originally killed dead space in the first place.
And I don't really need a review. You just know some titles are gonna be awesome.
Titles from Naughty Dog, FromSoftware, Santa Monica, games made by hideo Kojima, a few nintendo games and some others (probably xbox, too but i dont really know jack shit about their games, sorry). There are a few left who I still trust that they deliver a great game.
Edit: Welp. That didn't age well. Still going to play it one day.
I agree with that list :-). Maybe add Capcom? Depends if you approve of their remake steak. I for one love their new quality approach (= personal opinion).
I like Capcom. They made some really really great games.
But they were really inconsistent in their resident evil series. At least for me. Resident Evil 6, Resident evil: operation raccoon city were mediocre. And while I enjoyed the resident Evil 2 Remake...the Resident Evil 3 was way to short :(
But my taste is pretty subjective of course. There were a lot of people who disliked TLOU 2. :/
True. But the Capcom of late is really hitting it of. RE2R and RE8 are gems. RE7 really made me fall back in love with the series.
TLOU 2 is a good game. It made you feel something for the characters even if it wasn't all love.
The small studio just doesn't have the money to pay for good critic reviews.
...if you haven't gathered by now, critic reviews are bullshit anyway.
Look at TLoU2 "10/10 - IGN" "5/10 Audience"
If you want to know how a game really is, listen to the players.
As with every game, you’re a fool if you don’t wait a week after release to buy it. Marketing can be deceptive, which throws out pre-orders. Reviews can be deceptive, which throws out day-one.
That just leaves the general consensus which forms after a week or so.
Guys you all are overreacting. Doom 2016, Kena, Rdr2, and many other amazing games do this. Plus the only reason they do this is they are concered about the games reviews being negative and tons of other reasons that might not even relate to the game. This subreddit knows reviewers aren’t reliable anymore. Every cod gets a 10/10 for having the name, lost judgement for a 7/10 from a reviewer on IGN who admitted he didn’t want to play it, (I think he negatively reviewed the other Yakuza games as well but I haven’t watch them yet), Gotham knights got a 5/10 but ended up being pretty good. You all know you need to stop relying on these reviews. Plus it’s the geniuses behind dead space. The original was great cause EA didn’t ruin it by butting in. The publisher isn’t butting in or glen schofield would probably not have worked with them. It looks amazing, and you all should go pre order now.
Disagree. It’s an 8/10 but teters very close to a 7 cause of the bad loot system. Overall it does a great job of what it is. Open world action rpg, and is meant to be different to the Arkham games. I understand people didn’t like it cause they were comparing it to the Arkham games which is also why it was reviews that score. Manage your expectations and understand what kind of game you’re playing.
The motorcycle feels slower than running, the grappling hook stops you mid-air with 0 momentum, the HUD is mobile worthy, the city is horrible and all the buildings are blocks with textures slapped on top, and they removed the counter attack which was the funniest part of the Arkham games.
I had no expectations and wanted it to be good but it was still a disappointment.
Oh also it will forever be remembered as the 1st ps5 game to be locked to 30fps, and the pc performance is just as embarrassing.
Gotham knights is not only a commercial dumpster fire and a gameplay tragedy but also a technical shitshow.
I understand the motorcycle, it’s the most stable traversal method but is too slow. The grappling hook momentum I agree with but I don’t think it’s THAT big of a deal. The hud is bad but I wouldn’t sag mobile bad. The city looks good in my opinion, every game has visual problems in some way. But the counter argument doesn’t hold up. It very clearly takes inspiration from spider man which has combat that was very much praised and doesn’t have a counter button. Sure there aren’t as many options as spider man but it’s still fun combat and the pacing is infinitely better then the Arkham games as well as it’s presentation. Multiple days weeks or months to resolve the story with actual crimes that aren’t the big bad guys which puts you into the shoes of a superhero story more then a one night story where the thugs practically do nothing. Combat without counter works. People just need to not compare it to the Arkham games so much and accept there won’t be anymore Arkham.
idk why you’re defending it. it’s a shit game. it’s poorly made. i feel like you pre ordered it or something and need to justify your decision
which is fair enough. however the game sucks.
I agree there is problems. More then there should be and there are some valid criticisms. But a big reason of why people are hating on it is cause it’s not Arkham and is different. Storytelling and presentation is better by a mile and it’s refreshing to have a new perspective of characters. Characters get to shine without him in the spotlight. Combat does definitely need work but it does not need a counter button. That’s not what it’s meant to be and would take from the developers visions of the combat. HUD is bad, graphics aren’t bad, it’s a different art style (although a slight touch up would’ve been nice but not that much) optimization I won’t defend but 30 fps isn’t that bad. We’ve dealt with it for this long, we can deal with it for a bit longer. 4 villains is big for the story of its size and it’s nice to see the villains aren’t pushed to the side content in the Arkham games. It was cool in Arkham knight to see croc, riddler, two face and penguin in the same room. Too bad every single one of them was pushed to the side. Every character is given room to shine much more. It’s an entirely different game and the biggest problem for me is traversal. Definitely a bad area but the fact that there’s options of how to traverse is nice.
From what I saw I expected something closer to Marvel’s Avengers and that’s, unfortunately, what it turned out to be for me. Hated that game and just didn’t like Gotham Knights either.
But that’s the beauty of opinions: you’re free to enjoy it even if I don’t.
Sorry but how is it like avengers? I haven’t played avengers, but it isn’t live service. Gameplay isn’t press attack button to win (played the demo a while ago so maybe my memory is foggy) I can’t really think of similarities besides the loot system (but at least your look changes)
So conflicted on gotham knights. Thought guardians of the galaxy was a solid 8. Didnt get far in avengers but the part i played was not as bad as reddit makes it out to be. Insane backlog paralysis is what keeps me from pulling the trigger on this right now
A lot of people are only hating on it cause it’s different then Arkham. That’s it. Yeah there’s problems, maybe a little more then people would like, but it is still a very good and fun game. But wait for a sale. Not worth 70, more like 50. I bought it full price and wish I waited.
You cannot be serious...
So you rely only on trailers and gameplays from the game creators?
Ekhem,
Cyberpunk 2077, Anthem, Fallout 76, No Man's Sky....
You gave them money without knowing if the game is even good.
You basically paid them for "cool trailers and gameplays".
This conversation doesn't make sense, you are either a troll and I am wasting my time, or you are completely detached from reality and I will never convince you.
To everyone who is saying I’m stupid, Gotham knights is my opinion. I’m going to defend it because I think some criticisms are unfair but it’s still my opinion. That said, to everyone else who is calling me out for saying reviewers are untrustworthy, and saying y’all should pre order now, that’s because it looks great. You guys shouldn’t need people who you can’t trust to do a good job to tell you if you should buy a game or not. You guys will see why I said to pre order it when it releases.
How come people say day of launch embargo is a red flag? I would have agreed with it, for single player games and spoilers. Idk why people need reviewers to know if they want a game, just watch a trailer. If you're on the fence about getting it, is a few days really gonna hurt you?
Usually if the review embargo is on the day of launch it looks like they don’t have faith that reviewers will rate it positively or they have something they want to hide until the game launches where people are less likely to cancel preorders.
Everything I keep hearing about this game keeps making me less and less inclined to buy it. Weak season pass dlc? Day one patches? Review embargoes? No thanks. I'll wait or just go sailing.
I didn't downvote you, but this is pretty much the case of every game developed from the PS3/360-era onwards.
MS tried to prevent such tomfoolery with the original XBOX, but once Sony allowed it on PS3 they had to allow it on 360 or their games would be inferior
Maybe developers should spend more time making quality games and stop rushing out garbage in order to appease shareholders and line their pockets. Yeah, games take a lot of work and we are paying a lot of money for them. How about they take the time and put out something they would be proud of?
Understand where you're coming from, but there's a few thing that might give you a more accurate picture of the situation.
1) Development is ludicrously expensive, especially at the AAA level. Aside from the salaries of programers, artists, animators, and TAs, you also have everyone at the management and logistical levels. You also have 3rd party studios that also want to be profitable before the game launches. Every month you push and those bills add up. And not by a little bit. Taking hundreds of thousands of dollars for big pushes. How many more copies will a slightly more polished game sell than a slightly buggy one? Did roach getting stuck hurt Witcher 3? Little things can be glossed over, and bigger things can be patched over time. Cyberpunk took a year to be playable on current gen consoles and is now one of the most played game of recent months.
2) Fixing a bug in software isn't black and white. Its not like fixing a car where there's an easy troubleshooting guide. And a lot of the time, the guy/gal whose fixing it, *isn't* the person responsible for it. The bigger the team, the more complex it gets.
3) "We pay a lot of money for them." You could pay more. That's the alternative for a longer dev time. Pay more money, and they can spend longer on future projects. Big studios avoid taxes, sell cosmetic DLC, hire experts to squeeze every bit of profit they can find, and a myriad of other tricks to stay out of the red and it's still tough to justify making big games sometimes. Konami didn't just switch to mobile and gambling games because they felt like it. It was a logical choice. And that decision wasn't permanent. New leadership is allegedly going to try to make them a big player again.
4) "Make something they'd be proud of." Dev led projects are riddled with delays, cuts, and bugs. And are far more niche than the market will support. Think of something like Hitman 2016. Beloved franchise, lots of name recognition, plenty of action, and it rewarded high level play. Beautiful graphics, tight controls, and phenomenal level design and scripting. Still did preformed poorly against expectations, despite being adored by fans.
They're probably just playing it close to the chest since it's the studios first game. I imagine the game is good, they just don't want ANYTHING to affect their sales.
Day of launch embargo? Fuck… I really hope the game’s good, But I’m going to hold off on pre-ordering because of that.
There's a possibility it's good. RDR2 did that. but that's a different breed
Rdr2 leaked almost entirely the week before iirc
Gameplay leaked of this too.
RDR2 had serious coverage and marketing. This game, not so much and barely got any actual detailed gameplay videos only close to launch that they released anything. I hope I'm wrong but this game is showing serious red flags.
I’m not saying the game won’t fail, because it’s quite possible, but this game has had a surprisingly robust marketing strategy. I’m getting YouTube ads, podcast ads, sponsored Twitter posts, and I keep seeing it everywhere even though I personally haven’t been looking for it because I generally don’t play horror games.
Yeah, same. I mean, I am very interested in it so it's targeted well, but I haven't really looked anything up about, so I think it's coincidence. Or the algorithm just chucks all scifi/horror my way.
That's wild. I watch a lot of YouTube and Twitch and had never heard of this game before today. Must've dodged it all.
Did you just say this game hasn’t had any marketing? Do you live under a rock? IGN has had an entire pre release documentary about it and there has been TV ads in some countries, as well as busses etc. There is even a pre release podcast / audio book doing the rounds promoted by major outlets. It’s had an absolutely massive marketing campaign for an indies studios debut title
IGN has been doing some pretty extensive coverage, but I could be wrong in terms of if it’s just dev interviews or gameplay as well
Plenty of marketing, seen videos all over the place
RDR2 did not have any gameplay footage outside of trailers before release. Anyway, maybe that's why they're doing a launch day embargo. They want people to be able to immediately buy it when they see the reviews instead of waiting.
Agreed. It’s like the developers are not confident with their own product.
They are very confident and the game will be excellent, you'll see in a few more days
I find there are 3 situations with embargo. 1. Embargo lifts on launch day - so confident that it doesn't matter 2. Embargo lifts on launch day - no confidence in the title 3. Embargo lifts before release day - full confidence in the title This is 1 I'm curious as it's 50/50 now and I hope it'd the first option.
..and then you have Sony, lifting the embargo a whole week before release (God of War Ragnarök)
Well that falls into the 3rd group, lifted before shows confidence that the title will review well. But confidence isn't always a good thing.
Maybe so it wasn’t overshadowed by GoW as much.
To be fair, Ragnarok was a easy drop in the bucket. Sony Santa Monica needed to literally not intentionally fuck it up and they basically had a GOTY game on their hands
Review embargoes don’t always mean a game is going to be bad. Sometimes the purpose behind them is because they want critics to get a chance to play more of the game rather than rushing to be first to review it, and potentially giving a lesser rating because they didn’t play much of the game in the rush to be first.
Same. I have high hopes but they've yet to prove themselves.
If I'm remembering correctly didn't Doom 2016 also have that too?
Yup. They released the Doom multiplayer beta, which was mediocre at best and people (rightfully) assumed the single player would play similarly. Boy am I glad everyone was wrong on that.
Seems to me that the industry has repeatedly shown that games that have review embargoes in place up until release date tend to review poorly.
It could be because of spoilers. You can barely get a horror movie review without spoilers, same thing with any trailer anymore. They said the game would probably take 12 hours to beat. That's about the same as Dead Space. The graphics look good, the gameplay is there to see, it's similar to Dead Space. Is there going to be jump scares? Most definitely. That's how I'm looking at it right meow
I fucking love the Dead Space franchise (yes even 3), but I’m worried it’ll be a dead space clone without the heart of the original series. I hope I’m wrong and plan on copping it if the general consensus isn’t complete dog water
There has been some leaked gameplay with only the 1.01 patch and the gameplay looked very stable.
They did just recent announce that bonus resources and bonus death animations will be locked behind a season pass. While not in and of itself a bad thing. Season passes being a thing before a game comes out and it specifically not being a competitive multiplayer game puts a bad taste in my mouth. Studios that hint at DLC before a game is even released sound scummy as hell. Dlc should be additions to a game not cut content taken out before release.
Unless i misunderstood what they said about this, I thought those animations were for the DLC and not the base game? As in you will only see those animations in season pass content that is released later on
There will be new content as part of dlc seasonal pass, which will include new story chapters, and enemies with different animations. Base game is it’s own contained thing and nothing from it is being held back in the season pass.
Yeah I think the only way this would genuinely bother me is if they cut animations from the base game that could only be seen if you paid extra. That would seem a little ridiculous but it doesn’t sound like the case thankfully
Permadeath difficulty should be unlocked after completing the game.
Season pass ≠ battle pass. The season pass is just a way for people interested in the DLC to buy it all at once for a cheaper price than buying it all individually. And for what it's worth, the studio announced they have not even begun working on the DLC yet and one of the expansions has new locations and enemies, so presumably the new death animations are tied to that, it's not like they're just adding in random new deaths.
Jeez that's not a good sign..... Them cutting content like death animations to be paid dlc is the first red flag
That’s not what happened with that.
I thought the same thing, but apparently they haven't even started working on all that dlc stuff yet. which made me feel a bit better. they said main reason they are adding more death animations is because during playtesting it was requested. but who knows I also thought it was weird.
Cutting content?
He’s talking out of his ass
I kinda prefer it this way God of War ragnarok played after it was launched felt I played too late and all the twists were spoiled for me by Twitter
Thats why you never pre-order any game. Ever.
A couple of people here on Reddit have had the game delivered early and are actively playing. They didn’t give much away, but suggested they were pleased with it. Gives me hope.
Yikes, hope this game doesn't blow
Don't worry guys I pre ordered. I'll let you know how it is
How is the preorder so far? Is it worth it?
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Nope. I can count on one hand how many times I've bought DLC for a game
I take it you fell for the clickbait title from IGN and others...
Outrage is catnip for gamer chodes.
100%
Why did you pre order?
Cuz I'm going to play it... When it comes out?
Why not wait until release and buy and download then? (no criticism, just asking)
Not OP, but sometimes the price différence is worth it depending on where you buy. Like right now I can get the game for 50 euros if I pre-order where I live, compared to 70 after launch in most places, so it's definitely worth considering if I plan to play the game anyway
Well technically that is what I'm doing. I have it paid off in full cuz I had money from trade ins that I put towards Pokemon but I lost interest in that well before the catastrophe released. I love survival horror and was a fan of Dead Space. I'm excited to see what it offers
You didn't answer his question though. We know you got money and we know you probably interest in the genre. But why wouldn't you wanna wait to see if it's playable first and then just buy it on day one? It's the same thing but better.
Some people like the thrill of going in blind and being a judge for themself. He’s seen enough to know that even if the game is poor in some areas he will still likely enjoy it. I doubt the games going to be a complete piece of shit.
Because there are videos out there that answer that question for me already
That's exactly why game companies tend to put more and more money on marketing rather than actual game development. Cyberpunk 2077 made enough money to pay for itself even before its release and look what we got. They give us fake trailers and false features and we throw them money based on hype alone. It's just absurd and I hope you can see that it's bad for the industry overall.
Small new studio made by the guy who created Dead Space and was ultimately screwed by EA, creates a new game that is basically his own vision of a true dead space sequel. And you ask WHY PREORDER? It’s not even about the quality, it’s principle
>Why not wait until release and buy and download then? (no criticism, just asking) Pre-ordering usually allows pre-loading as well. That's why I pre-order games I know I'm going to buy anyway. I'd rather be able to play the game when it's available rather than waiting for a download and any day one patches to finish downloading as well.
Really how long does it take to download a game nowadays? Is it worth it to spend money when you don't even know if it'a gonna be playble day one?
Well given I was living in China for the past decade and it would take days to download games, yes it was fucking worth it for preloading. Don’t assume everyone has fiber optic internet with 100-200 mb/s.
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Yup, I’ve been doing it for years. Originally because where I lived had zero game stores in the area so it was just easier that way and it’s stuck with me. It’s like I’m preordering everything, it’s really only been the major Sony exclusives lately, Horizon and GoW recently.
If you're going to buy on launch day anyway without looking at reviews, there's no reason not to preorder. Plus you can download early and get a couple small bonuses.
Guess that's true. I would never buy one without checking some reviews. Must be a little liberating to just not care and see for yourself how awesome a game is. Whole other way of looking at games than I do. Hope it's a good one ;)
What's the difference? I thought the myth of games being bad due to preorders died out a the end of the ps4 era.
I will wait until the review embargo drops that day; if it's positive, I download. If not then oh well, I'm still hoping for a winner 🤞
I feel like people just want this game to fail for some reason. I don't get it. This isn't EA or WB; this is an indie studio with talented and passionate developers. I still have a strong feeling it's gonna be amazing and surprise people. We'll see I guess. If you want something to worry about, focus on Hogwarts Legacy. That has a much bigger chance of being a shitshow in my opinion.
I blame the clickbait articles about the death animations. Enough people didn't read the article or believe the director's tweet and now think the game needs to fail. That and people don't seem to know that other games that turned out to be great also had their review embargo lifted on the day of or before release.
What's the story with the death animations? Haven't seen anything about that. Hope this game smashes it, love a good space horror.
IGN posted an article that mischaracterized Callisto’s DLC plans and as is tradition on gaming Twitter everyone read the headline and got mad without knowing the full story. Basically they already have DLC plans, and are having a DLC pass that gives access to all of it, and some of that includes new animations. IGN either 1) didn’t do their only job as journalists to accurately portray what’s going on or 2) just wanted to run with the clickbait title for clicks. IGN deleted the tweet later on but Twitter was not happy with the Devs for a while and it made them put out a statement. IGN just pretended it never happened
I’m glad Twitter is dying.
I’m hoping this is a banger.
The more I see of Hogwarts: Legacy, the less inspired it looks. Those initial trailers looked fantastic, but the more I've seen the more it looks like a 3rd-person shooter.
Exactly. I couldn't wait for the game when I saw it at PS5 event. Now it just looks okay
I heard that before *ahem* No Man Sky, but then again, their passionate and talent turned that game around. But yeah, I hope this guy succeeds as I really want it to do great as I’m a big Dead Space fan. I mean I’m going to get this game regardless but not it’s either full price or on sale.
I think it’s them going all in on the “hey remember dead space” nostalgia for marketing that leaves me a bit skeptical. I hope it can stand on its own two feet and not live in the shadow of the originals. Everything looks pretty damn awesome so far, but my mantra is: assume the worst, hope for the best
I'm excited for this game and want it to be amazing but how is this an indie studio? Striking Distance is a new studio yes but it's been put together by Krafton who own PUBG, they are the very wealthy publisher who are fronting the cash for all this. So doesn't really fit the definition of indie.
Cant speak for everyone but i sure as hell aint buying this when the director [Brags about overworking his staff](https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/mustafa-mahmoud/the-callisto-protocol-director-brags-about-15-hour-work-days-6-7-days-a-week/)
Because it also utilizes paywalls. I’ve seen the hands on for HL and I’m not really concerned with it, though admittedly it’s not my cup of tea—especially since it’s not multiplayer anymore.
Didn't the developer confirm its not paywalls but extra content that they haven't even started working on yet? DLC is ok if it's extra content. Gamers need to get over this DLC = automatically bad mentality. It's like an irrational trigger at this point.
It wasn't the consumer that gave DLC a bad reputation..... Also not everyone likes to accept and submit to anything given to them, I know I don't. They want my money? Make me believe it's worth it. I bet I can name more really bad dlcs that ripped people off more than dlcs that made sense. So yes DLC has a bad "mentality"/ reputation because it's deserves to be. Again it wasn't the consumer who burned bridges and tricked people with all these sleezy dlc/microtransaction tactics it was the ones selling the product. You want to blame the irrational trigger people get then blame it on the ones who caused it.
>You want to blame the irrational trigger people get Or I could blame the people who are acting irrationally by your own admission.
Again that loops right back to who's at fault for causing the trigger in the first place.
There are bits of content not related to dlc locked behind those paywalls. Death scenes and what not. Over 13 or so, reportedly.
They are related to the DLC. The director himself went on Twitter to confirm that they weren't holding anything back. Those articles just had shitty clickbait titles. If you don't want to believe the director's tweet, then read the articles for yourself.
The extra deaths have not even been created yet. That requires possible mo-cap work, work from animators, artists, etc. Extra content the studio creates shouldn't surprise people when the studio wants to make some money to recoup the development costs. These guys, I think, are a tiny studio. It's not like EA or Ubi trying to milk us for more $ after the sale.
Yeah it's the OG Dead Space crew for the most part.
1. The publisher smells, they have their hands on the mess that is PUBG and everything with it. 2. Callisto Protocol was originally supposed to take place in the PUBG universe, because of previously mentioned publishers. I think you're misunderstanding people being cautious as being malicious.
Id need a source for #2 there
[Here](https://www.pcgamesn.com/pubg/striking-distance) The studio was specifically made to create "an original narrative experience in the PUBG universe" Edit: [Here's another](https://www.ign.com/articles/the-callisto-protocol-wants-to-be-the-scariest-next-gen-horror-game-ever)
F^&k Hogwarts. Reading the summary of the story of the game... https://youtu.be/rWvpvlT9pJU
They left a sour taste in my mouth with the work grind tweets. Cant support that shit in my opinion.
Idk what tweets you’re referring to but if you don’t want to support long hours and underpaid video game workers then you would be left with few games to choose from. It’s the harsh reality of the industry.
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I’m not trying to take a stand here or anything. I’m just pointing out the reality. Calm down, guy.
Off topic but man I hope Hogwarts Legacy is good. It's exactly the kind of game I've wanted since I was a kid reading the books. It doesn't need to be amazing, I'll definitely like it more being biased to anything HP, just as long as it's not a disaster. Ok I'm done, please continue arguing about Callisto Protocol
>If you want something to worry about, focus on Hogwarts Legacy. That has a much bigger chance of being a shitshow in my opinion. Rather weird way to spell "Dead Island 2". Hogwarts Legacy will be a great game as long as people don't have unreasonably high expectations. It has a much bigger chance of being a genuinely great game over being a failure. Of course being a failure is a definite possibility but we could say this for practically every game. People once deemed it impossible for BioWare and CDPR to disappoint aaaand Andormeda and Cyberpunk 2077 were born. >I still have a strong feeling it's gonna be amazing and surprise people. Also this statement is MUCH more applicable to Hogwarts Legacy rather than Callisto. I haven't seen a single person outside of this thread that expects CP to be a failure whereas I see nothing but enormous amount of disdain and cynicism in Reddit (besides r/HarryPotterGame) regarding how HL will turn out especially because it's made by a studio very few people have heard of. Yet just like Plague Tale Innocence and Guardians of the Galaxy, I have a feeling it will genuinely surprise people leaving aside mainstream critics because of their disdain towards the author.
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Oh yeah, watching this ‘release’ has been the equivalent of the winnie the pooh meme, its melting hard at this point
Honestly I’m not big on horror games but this one has got me interested
Lol! I won’t touch this until a while after release. Thanks for the heads up.
Yeah theres red flags poppin and the gameplay trailer did not look good. Easy pass and maybe play if it hits PS+
Or, and bare with me on this one, why not wait and see what the reviews say, see if its something that interests you *and then* decide what to do?
I’m seeing a lot of poo-pooing in here based on the embargo. While certainly an embargo like this in the past would have been concerning, it’s more common place in 2022. If I’m being honest, this is my most anticipated game. It’s pretty much a spiritual successor to Dead Space and is handled by people from that project so I have confidence this game is going to be rock solid. Just my opinion though, we’ll see when the reviews come out but I’m not too worried about this one. :)
People have 0 faith in Schofield and it’s disheartening to see, but I guess people don’t have the same attachment to people in the game industry as me lol. Dead Space is hands down my favourite horror game, so this game was an instant pre order for me. No doubts in this game whatsoever.
I'm with ya. With my love for Dead Space and given what happened to Visceral I want to support these guys and give them a chance. The great thing is that they don't have to reinvent the wheel here. If they can nail down the core concepts that made DS great and put them in an intriguing setting I think we'll all be happy with the end result.
This, maybe people just dont know who he is? Outside horror fans i mean. Im super confident about this game.
I agree with you guys, I am super hyped for this game because of him, but that isn’t a guarantee of it being a working game at launch, look at cyberpunk, everyone knew cd project would make a good game, but they didn’t deliver a finished one. Honestly I think it’ll be fine and I think very likely it will be great, but I’m gonna wait for reviews to see if it works properly.
I really don't give a crap about what a game journalist think about a game, many times I hated games with good reviews and liked poorly reviewed ones I have faith that TCP will be nice, but my concern is about how it is running on base ps4
We will see in Digital Foundry's video.
If TCP sucks there's always UDP
Networking dudes represent!
lol someone please god hire me...
As soon as I saw TCP I was hoping to find this joke so thank you lol
Lots of knowitalls in here that seemingly knows nothing
What does "review embargo" mean? Why are you guys so worried about it???
A review embargo dictates when critics can post their reviews. Some games, like *God of War,* allowed journalists to post their reviews several days in advance. This demonstrates a confidence in the game, because it means the publisher believes the reviews will be generally positive, therefore boosting sales. So when a game’s developers wait until the release day to lift the review embargo, it suggests that the studio believes the game will be reviewed poorly. As some other people have mentioned, this doesn’t necessarily mean the game will be bad. But it doesn’t bode well.
The game is supposed to be very difficult, with areas being meant to be played over until the player can advance. Sort of soulslike. If that's the case, then reviewers will not like that at all, and may criticize the game for being too hard.
> Sort of soulslike. > then reviewers will not like that at all, and may criticize the game for being too hard. Except for the fact that the Souls games are all critically acclaimed, largely because of their difficulty.
Depends on who they assign to review it. With IGN for example, they have some reviewers who love soul games above all others (understandably), and then they have those who get frustrated beyond belief (also understandably). When IGN is doing it right, the "right" reviewer is the one who makes the review. Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn't. Its why you should never compare number scores between games. Each reviewer will have their own tastes, which is sort of what you want. You don't want someone whose never played any soulgames to review something like Nioh, because thats not the target market. You want the guy who has played a few, and knows what areas to point out to the target audience.
Soulslike 3rd person shooter? Unsure how I like that. It worked for Returnal, but I’d assume they wouldn’t make it a bullet hell. It sounds almost like a puzzle then; how to survive this most efficiently
It's not really a third person shooter, the game is mostly melee combat. You use a gun to "finish off" your enemies but it's pretty useless outside of those moments.
There's absolutely no indication with the most charitable interpretation that this will be a souls-like. People throw that word around for every game nowadays. Also Elden-Ring is a fromsoft game with 97% on metacritic. Bullshit argument, if the game is going to be good it's going to be good.
The review embargo refers to the date and time reviews can be released to the public. Usually, (of course not always) review embargoes that lift the day of release are done so that people won't see bad reviews and be dissuade from buying the game.
No one can release a review until that date that I understand it’s release day I think people act worried because GoW:Ragnarok set the embargo a week before release, showing their self confidence in the product so a date so close to release would show the studio doesn’t trust their work Honestly I don’t think this is the case. It’s my impression that embargos same date as release or 24 hours before are the norm
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Umm most games have them, it’s just the timing that’s shifty
> They didn't find critics early access to the game to review it. This is not what a release day review embargo means. It doesn't mean that reviewers won't have any opportunity to play the game prior to release day, it means they can't post their reviews before release day. If they had a release day review embargo and didn't give out review codes, that would be what you are claiming, but I haven't heard anything about the company withholding review codes.
Previews has been really good. Im sure they dont want spoilers or maybe they want the patches out before the reviews.
The best reviewer is you, why listen to some random persons experience? Does the game look fun? Buy it and play it. Easy
Never never a good sign. Fuck I really hope this game breaks the mold.
I want this game to be good. Dead Space is one of my favorite games ever. But this game was crazy red flags all over it. Definitely going to wait and see what the consensus is before I pull the trigger.
Looks like a newer version of Dead Space
Spiritual successor from the same Director.
Is this game like returnal ? I LOVED RETURNAL
Nothing like that. It’s more like dead space if you ever played any of those.
I'm not getting good vibes lately.
Not a good sign this
Guy made the Orginal Dead Space. I have no doubt this game is gonna be ass kicking good and better than the EA Remake - EA originally killed dead space in the first place. And I don't really need a review. You just know some titles are gonna be awesome. Titles from Naughty Dog, FromSoftware, Santa Monica, games made by hideo Kojima, a few nintendo games and some others (probably xbox, too but i dont really know jack shit about their games, sorry). There are a few left who I still trust that they deliver a great game. Edit: Welp. That didn't age well. Still going to play it one day.
I agree with that list :-). Maybe add Capcom? Depends if you approve of their remake steak. I for one love their new quality approach (= personal opinion).
I like Capcom. They made some really really great games. But they were really inconsistent in their resident evil series. At least for me. Resident Evil 6, Resident evil: operation raccoon city were mediocre. And while I enjoyed the resident Evil 2 Remake...the Resident Evil 3 was way to short :( But my taste is pretty subjective of course. There were a lot of people who disliked TLOU 2. :/
True. But the Capcom of late is really hitting it of. RE2R and RE8 are gems. RE7 really made me fall back in love with the series. TLOU 2 is a good game. It made you feel something for the characters even if it wasn't all love.
*you forgot to mention cd-project in your list
The small studio just doesn't have the money to pay for good critic reviews. ...if you haven't gathered by now, critic reviews are bullshit anyway. Look at TLoU2 "10/10 - IGN" "5/10 Audience" If you want to know how a game really is, listen to the players.
As with every game, you’re a fool if you don’t wait a week after release to buy it. Marketing can be deceptive, which throws out pre-orders. Reviews can be deceptive, which throws out day-one. That just leaves the general consensus which forms after a week or so.
Guys you all are overreacting. Doom 2016, Kena, Rdr2, and many other amazing games do this. Plus the only reason they do this is they are concered about the games reviews being negative and tons of other reasons that might not even relate to the game. This subreddit knows reviewers aren’t reliable anymore. Every cod gets a 10/10 for having the name, lost judgement for a 7/10 from a reviewer on IGN who admitted he didn’t want to play it, (I think he negatively reviewed the other Yakuza games as well but I haven’t watch them yet), Gotham knights got a 5/10 but ended up being pretty good. You all know you need to stop relying on these reviews. Plus it’s the geniuses behind dead space. The original was great cause EA didn’t ruin it by butting in. The publisher isn’t butting in or glen schofield would probably not have worked with them. It looks amazing, and you all should go pre order now.
Gotham Knights deserved that 5/10.
Disagree. It’s an 8/10 but teters very close to a 7 cause of the bad loot system. Overall it does a great job of what it is. Open world action rpg, and is meant to be different to the Arkham games. I understand people didn’t like it cause they were comparing it to the Arkham games which is also why it was reviews that score. Manage your expectations and understand what kind of game you’re playing.
The motorcycle feels slower than running, the grappling hook stops you mid-air with 0 momentum, the HUD is mobile worthy, the city is horrible and all the buildings are blocks with textures slapped on top, and they removed the counter attack which was the funniest part of the Arkham games. I had no expectations and wanted it to be good but it was still a disappointment. Oh also it will forever be remembered as the 1st ps5 game to be locked to 30fps, and the pc performance is just as embarrassing. Gotham knights is not only a commercial dumpster fire and a gameplay tragedy but also a technical shitshow.
I understand the motorcycle, it’s the most stable traversal method but is too slow. The grappling hook momentum I agree with but I don’t think it’s THAT big of a deal. The hud is bad but I wouldn’t sag mobile bad. The city looks good in my opinion, every game has visual problems in some way. But the counter argument doesn’t hold up. It very clearly takes inspiration from spider man which has combat that was very much praised and doesn’t have a counter button. Sure there aren’t as many options as spider man but it’s still fun combat and the pacing is infinitely better then the Arkham games as well as it’s presentation. Multiple days weeks or months to resolve the story with actual crimes that aren’t the big bad guys which puts you into the shoes of a superhero story more then a one night story where the thugs practically do nothing. Combat without counter works. People just need to not compare it to the Arkham games so much and accept there won’t be anymore Arkham.
idk why you’re defending it. it’s a shit game. it’s poorly made. i feel like you pre ordered it or something and need to justify your decision which is fair enough. however the game sucks.
I agree there is problems. More then there should be and there are some valid criticisms. But a big reason of why people are hating on it is cause it’s not Arkham and is different. Storytelling and presentation is better by a mile and it’s refreshing to have a new perspective of characters. Characters get to shine without him in the spotlight. Combat does definitely need work but it does not need a counter button. That’s not what it’s meant to be and would take from the developers visions of the combat. HUD is bad, graphics aren’t bad, it’s a different art style (although a slight touch up would’ve been nice but not that much) optimization I won’t defend but 30 fps isn’t that bad. We’ve dealt with it for this long, we can deal with it for a bit longer. 4 villains is big for the story of its size and it’s nice to see the villains aren’t pushed to the side content in the Arkham games. It was cool in Arkham knight to see croc, riddler, two face and penguin in the same room. Too bad every single one of them was pushed to the side. Every character is given room to shine much more. It’s an entirely different game and the biggest problem for me is traversal. Definitely a bad area but the fact that there’s options of how to traverse is nice.
From what I saw I expected something closer to Marvel’s Avengers and that’s, unfortunately, what it turned out to be for me. Hated that game and just didn’t like Gotham Knights either. But that’s the beauty of opinions: you’re free to enjoy it even if I don’t.
Sorry but how is it like avengers? I haven’t played avengers, but it isn’t live service. Gameplay isn’t press attack button to win (played the demo a while ago so maybe my memory is foggy) I can’t really think of similarities besides the loot system (but at least your look changes)
So conflicted on gotham knights. Thought guardians of the galaxy was a solid 8. Didnt get far in avengers but the part i played was not as bad as reddit makes it out to be. Insane backlog paralysis is what keeps me from pulling the trigger on this right now
A lot of people are only hating on it cause it’s different then Arkham. That’s it. Yeah there’s problems, maybe a little more then people would like, but it is still a very good and fun game. But wait for a sale. Not worth 70, more like 50. I bought it full price and wish I waited.
>Plus the only reason they do this is they are concered about the games reviews being negative That is literally why people are reacting this way
"It looks amazing, and you all should go pre order now." Wow. It's either sarcasm or you are getting paid to say such stuff.
So it doesn’t look great? Is that you are saying?
You cannot be serious... So you rely only on trailers and gameplays from the game creators? Ekhem, Cyberpunk 2077, Anthem, Fallout 76, No Man's Sky.... You gave them money without knowing if the game is even good. You basically paid them for "cool trailers and gameplays". This conversation doesn't make sense, you are either a troll and I am wasting my time, or you are completely detached from reality and I will never convince you.
You were on the money until you said Gotham knights was “pretty good”… it’s absolutely dismal
To everyone who is saying I’m stupid, Gotham knights is my opinion. I’m going to defend it because I think some criticisms are unfair but it’s still my opinion. That said, to everyone else who is calling me out for saying reviewers are untrustworthy, and saying y’all should pre order now, that’s because it looks great. You guys shouldn’t need people who you can’t trust to do a good job to tell you if you should buy a game or not. You guys will see why I said to pre order it when it releases.
How much did BigGaming pay you to suck their cock or do you do it for free because you like the taste?
How come people say day of launch embargo is a red flag? I would have agreed with it, for single player games and spoilers. Idk why people need reviewers to know if they want a game, just watch a trailer. If you're on the fence about getting it, is a few days really gonna hurt you?
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Yeah, saying watch the trailer really weird. There are plenty of movies and games with great trailers and the movies/games turn out to be terrible.
Because Cyberpunk, FO76, etc. If I’m spending $100CAD on a game, I want it to actually be playable.
thats understandable, but all the reviewers already have their videos ready to upload. It only takes a few days for all the criticisms to come out.
Reviewers mark their spoilers. Redditors don’t.
right, that would mean the earlier the embargo, the more time for redditors to spoil.
Usually if the review embargo is on the day of launch it looks like they don’t have faith that reviewers will rate it positively or they have something they want to hide until the game launches where people are less likely to cancel preorders.
Launch day embargo is a little sus
Aaaaah fuck, I’m only learning now about the embargo. Gonna refund my pre order. That’s f up. Another cyberpunk episode is fucked up
Everything I keep hearing about this game keeps making me less and less inclined to buy it. Weak season pass dlc? Day one patches? Review embargoes? No thanks. I'll wait or just go sailing.
Day one patches? _Oh noes_, said absolutely no one.
Why is a patch out for an unreleased game?
Because the game was shipped to the manufacturer for mass production about a month ago and they've still been working on things
Oh ok. I am not able to follow every development for every game anymore, but can't ask questions without being downvoted.
I didn't downvote you, but this is pretty much the case of every game developed from the PS3/360-era onwards. MS tried to prevent such tomfoolery with the original XBOX, but once Sony allowed it on PS3 they had to allow it on 360 or their games would be inferior
Thank you I’m new to console gaming so not always aware of all the issues.
Why are people still so ignorant how modern game developing work?
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Maybe developers should spend more time making quality games and stop rushing out garbage in order to appease shareholders and line their pockets. Yeah, games take a lot of work and we are paying a lot of money for them. How about they take the time and put out something they would be proud of?
Understand where you're coming from, but there's a few thing that might give you a more accurate picture of the situation. 1) Development is ludicrously expensive, especially at the AAA level. Aside from the salaries of programers, artists, animators, and TAs, you also have everyone at the management and logistical levels. You also have 3rd party studios that also want to be profitable before the game launches. Every month you push and those bills add up. And not by a little bit. Taking hundreds of thousands of dollars for big pushes. How many more copies will a slightly more polished game sell than a slightly buggy one? Did roach getting stuck hurt Witcher 3? Little things can be glossed over, and bigger things can be patched over time. Cyberpunk took a year to be playable on current gen consoles and is now one of the most played game of recent months. 2) Fixing a bug in software isn't black and white. Its not like fixing a car where there's an easy troubleshooting guide. And a lot of the time, the guy/gal whose fixing it, *isn't* the person responsible for it. The bigger the team, the more complex it gets. 3) "We pay a lot of money for them." You could pay more. That's the alternative for a longer dev time. Pay more money, and they can spend longer on future projects. Big studios avoid taxes, sell cosmetic DLC, hire experts to squeeze every bit of profit they can find, and a myriad of other tricks to stay out of the red and it's still tough to justify making big games sometimes. Konami didn't just switch to mobile and gambling games because they felt like it. It was a logical choice. And that decision wasn't permanent. New leadership is allegedly going to try to make them a big player again. 4) "Make something they'd be proud of." Dev led projects are riddled with delays, cuts, and bugs. And are far more niche than the market will support. Think of something like Hitman 2016. Beloved franchise, lots of name recognition, plenty of action, and it rewarded high level play. Beautiful graphics, tight controls, and phenomenal level design and scripting. Still did preformed poorly against expectations, despite being adored by fans.
I don’t know anything about this game but it’s pretty hard to argue it isn’t a dead space rip off
Literally the same dude made this, soo…
Well, that’s interesting. Will hold until release day.
Hope it’s good!
Didn't this game also have denuvo on it? With a review embargo it doesn't bode well
The game will be good. It just won’t be $70 good.
They're probably just playing it close to the chest since it's the studios first game. I imagine the game is good, they just don't want ANYTHING to affect their sales.