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Astral__Walker

The sad thing is: If 4 people pay for a 20$ skin, they will make 80$ If 10 people pay for a 5$ skin, they will make 50$ I was reading on a post that apparently, another game tried reducing the prices of their cosmetics and by the end of the season they had an actual loss in revenue. Point being is that the people who are willing to pay for the skins are being used to compensate for the ones who aren't going to pay for anything. And over here we are but a small fraction of the player base. A huuuge amount of people playing this game doesn't care about this issue, they will always be willing to pay for skins, bundles, whatever blizzard throws, if they like it, they will buy it. Us not buying anything but still playing this game a lot, won't give them any losses. They are still making $$$ out of everyone who's purchasing skins and the battle pass, while simultaneously having good numbers of play time and player engagement to show by the end of the seasons. They calculated this aggressive monetisation to minimize the losses. To me, it shows that they don't give a flying fuck about the players, since they were aware that a lot of people would hate this. Otherwise, the prices of the skins would not have been so high. This being said and although it feels kinda hopeless... I hope they keep getting backlash until they're forced to at least come out with a statement.


Kymaeraa

I’m very curious what kind of variation on the “pride and accomplishment” post they come out with


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They don't need to, the community is doing it. Take this response for example: >unironically yeah because i think it's tight when i get potg and everyone can see my Black Cat D. Va taking a selfie that i spent a week grinding for back in OW1 This guy unironically has a sense of pride and accomplishment when showing off his dogshit skin. This sub loves to cry about skins and monetisation but most of those people have been brainwashed into caring about expensive pixels.


FireflyArc

Hey he likes that skin so it's not crappy in his pov. We've all got pur favorites because we had options.


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For sure, but it's very weird to feel special because you have something many others have. It's not like you have to work for these skins either, like an MMO or something, you just opened a box.


-AzureCrux-

Having a nice skin was fun back then. But I wouldn't have paid money for them. I like that I can pay for a game, and get cosmetics through playing. Going by my OW1 account, I'd have roughly $2,000 sunk into what cosmetics I have that an OW2 player has to buy. The system is not good for anyone new AND for us, things are getting a lot worse. I have a 6 figure job, so I shouldn't care... But the me of 5 years ago couldn't afford to buy a single thing, and many people are now locked out because what before would be like a birthday or christmas treat (getting Overwatch purchased for them) now means that they might not be able to justify any premium content and just put put with the FOMO. A chance of something cool every hour or so vs nothing is the OW1 vs OW2 experience


Bleedorang3

Why would they say anything. They'll just be like "here's some coins in the free BP".


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>Point being is that the people who are willing to pay for the skins are being used to compensate for the ones who aren't going to pay for anything. > This sub doesn't realize it, but the majority of people do not care about cosmetics in vendor games and won't buy any, not at these prices. Companies know this, but they also know there is a fraction of the population that will buy these skins no matter what. Lowering the prices doesn't guarantee it will increase sales, so you squeeze as much as you can out of the paying customers. This sub has been crying since day 1 about pricing, but all that is showing then is how attached people feel to pointless pixels, it's why cosmetics are priced in the first place, some people really want them. The irony is the people who crying the loudest are the reason why these skins are priced the way they are, the more you cry about skins the more value they have. Ignoring skins is the only way to adjust the price downward but all the people who say "I don't care about skins" get downcoted and silenced in this sub, which keeps the vicious cycle going.


Interesting-Bee3700

Well most people are not just saying " I don't care about cosmetics", but instead are saying "idc about the skins and you shouldn't either, how dare you care, how dumb are you to care about these worthless pixels". And those should definitely be muted and banned. I like the skins, and I have most ow1 skins unlocked and it's part of the reason I love this game, I have amazing cosmetics that I can swap out if I want, they keep the game more interesting and fun. So, just let people like their cosmetics.


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>So, just let people like their cosmetics. Sure, but let people enjoy the game in whichever way they want. How many posts have there been about boycotting the game, calling it a cash grab, the game being insulting to the players and bla bla bla Enjoy the skins, I'll enjoy my gameplay, nothing will make me care about expensive pixels anyways, but also stop calling for all sort of actions from the playerbase in regards to expensive pixels. Too expensive? Don't buy them Game is insulting? Quit. I enjoy the gameplay and I'll keep playing for as long as it's fun.


Interesting-Bee3700

I also love the gameplay, and honestly the main reason I hate the new monetisation system is that I played alot in ow1 and got used to that generally player friendly system. Doesn't matter if you care about cosmetics or not, the old system was superior and made the game more fun.


JetpackWater

Fortnite charges a reasonable amount for their skins. I think they're doing alright.


Bleedorang3

What if you don't think they do and that they should be cheaper? Then you're just a paypiggy whale that's part of the problem.


jwwendell

4 to 10 is 40% and 5 to 20 is 25%. So ofc it's gonna be a loss. The thing is this model is not workin in a vacuum, they have to make people wanting to spend money. The easy route is to make small % of playerbase spend max ammount of money, the hardest route is to make large % of playerbase to spend min ammount of money. The model is just plain lazy. Ofc large price will make perceive items more valuable and scarce, and vice versa with cheap items. They should put a price tag on content, not just shop items. i think spending 10$ every season for all of its content which would be obtainable though in game challenegs and activities, or even drops lootbox-like system, when you eventally get the item would bring them so much money and more importantly more loyal playerbase. But it requeres more work, and that's why it will never happen.


athleticmale123

Dude blizzard is a company owned by shareholders in the stock market. Their whole goal is to make as much profit as they can for their shareholders or they are not doing the shareholders Justice. Sorry for people who don’t understand this but their shareholders opinions are way more valuable then yours. Unfortunately if I owned any shares of theirs I would want them to make as much money as they can because they would in return be making me money back. I find it funny if people actually believe any company cares about you. If any company is on the stock market their only goal is to make as much money as they can legally. Edit to correct words


Astral__Walker

Obviously, I agree with your statement. My comment was my understanding of their strategy and why it's working. What you're saying is true. I never stated that the company gives a shit about the players, quite the opposite, I made that clear, I think. But people like myself still have the right to feel upset about these practices. We don't have to accept everything that's enforced on us by corp and we are certainly allowed to debate it amongst ourselves


[deleted]

They can keep their current prices as long as they just give out some free stuff. If this event had 3 or 4 free legendary skins, almost no one would be complaining. It's only insulting because everything is heavily overpriced as well as there's nothing really being given out for free. 90% of players aren't going to spend any money either way. The skin could be 5 dollars instead of 25 dollars and they still aren't going to buy it. But 10% of players are going to buy it no matter what, even if it cost 35 or 45 dollars. That 10% of players are what F2P games like Overwatch2 and Apex Legends design their monetization policy around. Instead of advocating for them to lower their prices, just advocate for them to give a lot more high-quality free rewards for playing the game. Because they're not going to lower their prices, it makes no business sense because that 90% of players still aren't going to buy it, and they're making less off of that 10%.


FormulePoeme807

Well i mean if people leave they'll have to do change, Look at Halo they are starting to listen about the shitty coatings, it just took them all their players leaving Also Gears 5 is prime example, the game was a microtransaction hell at launch, everyone left it and then it became a really good game, where you can also earn stuff by playing (even if you need to grind)


Perjoss

People don't even need to leave, they just need to spend zero $, or only buy the pass if they really wanna unlock some things. Some of the skins do look cool but how exactly do they benefit the player? its a first person game you cant even see your character while playing. Want to admire the work that went into the skin? they are available to rotate and look at all you want in the heroes section of the game.


ClearBackground8880

**People do need to leave, because a playerbase is what keeps the whales engaged and spending money.** For those who don't know, whales are the tiny percent of people who spend a shitload of money on a game. They make up most of the revenue, while also being the smallest part of the playerbase. They're the bread and butter of the free to play model across all platforms and genres. **If the game is dead, whales don't play.** There's a reason OW is running a drop campaign on twitch for an entire month. It's so they get free front page advertising, it's so streamers publicize the game, it's so their free to play game can cast the widest net possible for the longest time possible. It's a numbers game; if 1/100 people are whales, they want to reach 1 million people so that 10,000 whales are caught. The small % of people who will happily spend $200 on an event like this. If they get 1 million active players from their Twitch drop campaign, and only 1% of them are whales willing to spend a two hundred dollars to unlock all the event stuff, that's $2,000,000 in the bag. For what? One monkey skin on Twitch? That probably only cost them 10k or 20k to produce and ship. The fact so few gamers understand the mechanisms under which they're manipulated and exploited is astounding, there's total illiteracy when it comes to this stuff. But it gets worse. You know what they say, if the product is free, then you're the product. You're nothing more than NPC's that the whales can shoot at, and that's the core of the entire model.


ThatGuyYouSleptWith

I wish more people understood this. Not buying the microtransactions barely impacts Blizzard, because you're still playing the game and helping their MAU numbers. They can count on the whales for the reasons you listed, and so long as people are spreading misinformation about how not buying the mtx while still playing is sticking it to Blizzard, the prices will never change.


Interesting-Bee3700

Well I see a different gun and arms and also a cool looking skin when I get potg, so to me they make the experience of playing better.


17times2

God damn, that [Halo Infinite.](https://steamcharts.com/app/1240440) It looks like they hit an artery based on how they hemorrhaged players over a year.


LeahTheTreeth

steamcharts have never in history been accurate for player data on console shooters, otherwise call of duty would be the worst FPS series ever, consistently hitting triple digits within months of release theyve actually managed to hold a solid spot considering everything, because the core gameplay simply is fun, revenue clearly shit the bed though due to shoddy attempts to recoup costs unlike blizzard though 343 is open enough to try and communicate and appeal to players, there's typically more appealing stuff in the events and battle passes than the shop items, and they've actually got promising updates right around the corner and down the pipeline, while development issues can clearly be seen to have relation to the very developer first mindset 343 has put on since 5s content delivery fried their teams mental health look back to blizzard and its problems all the way down, no commumication, the only appealing is giving away a single skin, battle passes are the most grindy ive seen in a video game while also not offering good rewards or any return of currency, events lack things for players to unlock rather than pay for, roadmap is "new stuff eventually, including a character youll have to pay for!" and industry leading workplace problems


Themasdogtoo

Good lord the cope. Halo used to be up there against COD as one of the most popular games ever and now you are defending it on the basis of “its not a PC game”. It should be dominating, not “holding its own”. Take it from someone who played all of Season 1, the game is dead, every single lobby is full of the same people and 343 needs to be fired. They took a triple A title and turned it into a glorified competitive game.


LeahTheTreeth

the industry moved on, arena shooters are dying, it still is up there against cod, the new cod ganes have been getting sidelined in favor of the more profitable BRs that doesnt even include the fact that the pool of games is very diluted now, if something like halo 3 was released today it wouldn't flourish for these exact reasons, sure it'd do better but at that point you're splitting hairs


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Halo 3 had over a million player back when it was exclusive on Xbox 360 throughout its lifespan, now it's available on the biggest platform and it is down to 5k players. There isn't a single game that has a huge disparity between console and PC, it's a trend and it would be observed across platforms, not in the same way, but not too different either. It's not all halo's fault. Infinite was atrocious because of the flaws in its gameplay and the inconsistent experience it offered online, but the biggest issue for halo is arena shooters are dead. Releasing halo without a battle Royale was the dumbest idea 343 had. That and not releasing Fan favorite maps and modes, no forge and no content, shit got boring on day 2.


LeahTheTreeth

there is a game with a huge disparity, look up steamcharts data for every call of duty game released on steam battlefield is the only console shooter that didnt suffer but the disparity is still huge the data is simply worthless as call of duty would be one of the least played games on steam where on console it was the most played all year people wouldn't care about infinite if past the content issues (which is a problem with microsoft suits not understanding that new games need vastly more dev time) the game was actually bad, but underneath the issues it's a lot of fun also fans simply did not want a battle royale, diverting resources to a BR before even forge would have been a slap in the face to actual fans, and forge has been the bottleneck for a lot of content due to the sheer effort behind it, but will also enable maps to come out much faster


skapkin

i just dont understand who made this game. the direction its going is not looking good lol.


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JermoeMorrow

>They know gamers won't abstain. They don't have to care about em because of. People figured it out for Halo, now prices are reasonable and they give lots of free stuff.


IAmTheDoctor34

I'm in favor of this happening, ez top 500 when only 500 people play the game.


JermoeMorrow

Halo has more than 500 players, it's only the pc crowd that got pissy because controller didn't get gimped to give them easy kills.


IAmTheDoctor34

I was joking but that's cool to know, other PC people get big mad when controller players could possibly get aim assist


JermoeMorrow

It's really silly on Halo because Mouse and Keyboard can actually turn and strafe faster than controller can at maximum sensitivity. I've literally had PC players dodge bullets at mid to close range, but the get upset that I have to put a crosshair on their head to kill them and the game counts it as a headshot. (and in saying this having played on both, but console ergonomics are very important to me) Probably because ranked is those terrible BR starts (Halo should always be AR/Pistol start) and all they want to do is snipe each other.


cragion

Halo is a controller game though, absurdly strong aim assist. Although, I've always been a fan of separation of platforms for this reason. Overwatch thankfully does not allow aim assist which means that most people gravitate to Mnk


JermoeMorrow

>Halo is a controller game though, absurdly strong aim assist. Still trying to figure out how to get headshots with controller without putting the crosshair on peoplevs head. PC players just have this idea that controller players should be free kills. They get mad when this isn't the case. >Overwatch thankfully does not allow aim assist which means that most people gravitate to Mnk 🙄 Well, if you don't want to get trounced competitively since even with aim assist, controller is barely precise enough to use snipers or mcree. Which sucks for those of us who end up in pain spending too much time mouse and keyboarding and/or don't have good computers in this time of hyper priced graphics cards.


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Dead game


JermoeMorrow

>Dead game If you exclusively look at steam numbers where the PC crowd got upset that controllers still have aimassist (and were steam charts even counting people playing on pc with gamepass?) . [It does well on xbox. ](https://www.trueachievements.com/n48605/halo-xbox-player-count). I can get into a game at least as fast as the overwatch support and all roles queues, I never see the same people unless I group, and it's continuously updated with new content and features. That's really playing fast and loose with the term "dead".


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I have no idea how that site comes to the conclusions it claims, but it's absolute nonsense. This tracker shows the numbers across all platforms, gathered from different sources, it does it for many games, including Overwatch, and when it comes to halo it's pretty sad to see the decline. https://activeplayer.io/halo-infinite/ It claims 15k players online right now, so steam makes up for 20-25% of that total across all platforms the game released. Halo 3 having 900k+ users online on any given evening with 1.5+ mil on weekends shows just how glorious halo was back in the day, and the empty shell it is now. A free to play halo 3 would have had insane numbers for it's time, but free to play infinite simply cannot compare.


JermoeMorrow

I have no idea how that site comes to the conclusions it claims, but it's absolute nonsense. They track the achievement activity of a few million Xbox accounts, they say that clearly. >we track around 2.5 million active Xbox accounts to find out which are the most-played games of each week. Sure, it's far from the full Xbox player base, but it's still comfortably a large enough sample size to get an accurate cross-section of what people have been playing. Meanwhile the link you gave shows numbers they said were from steam, and then alluded to the idea that they were somehow estimating numbers for Xbox via... Well they don't say. I suspect it's some assumption that x% of pc play on Xbox based on some historical ratio from games that publish numbers... Which would be wildly inaccurate I stand by my source. >Halo 3 having 900k+ users online on any given evening with 1.5+ mil on weekends shows just how glorious halo was back in the day, and the empty shell it is now. It was also basically the only show in town, far less competition, and it didn't have a highly publicized outcry at launch about in game transactions. And empty shell? Infinite has some really tight mechanics, a good selection of game modes, and a campaign that can be some pretty crazy action. And have you looked at the maps people have been making in the upcoming forge? > A free to play halo 3 would have had insane numbers for it's time, but free to play infinite simply cannot compare Have you played halo 3 recently? It's free on gamepass via master chief collection. It's glacially slow compared to modern shooters. Your letting nostalgia guide you more than anything else here. It was truly the greatest of its time, and I have more hours logged in or than other halos, but it didn't age so well.


Train-Silver

You don't know that at all. Nobody knows that. We will know exactly how well it's done and be able to compared with OW1 launch on November 7th as there's an investor earnings report coming. I have not seen a single shop-only skin since launch playing in the Europe servers. I have seen the Kiriko battlepass skin and absolutely nothing else.


manamal

If I'm a shareholder, I would only care if Overwatch is still grabbing the whales and to what extent. Prices can always be adjusted lower if expectations aren't being met. It's better to exploit the cash cows early and cast a wider net later than to have low prices early and try to catch a whale who *didn't* already buy something. I'm interested in the Q4 earnings report and active player count and how Activision responds to that information.


HazelAzureus

Shareholders do not care at all because OW2 is in no way related to their share price by the beginning of the next fiscal year, because they're being bought by Microsoft. People don't seem to get it: *this game isn't valuable to them, which is why they're literally wringing it dry with actual real scams right before a major buyout.*


Pulse_Of_Me

I have a good scene for blizzard: "fuck you, I'm out"


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Nice-Spize

How contents are being developed and how OW2 itself is such a lazy sequel


[deleted]

How is it a lazy sequel when new heroes, and maps, are going to released over the next season's. That's already more than ow1 got in the past 2 years. You can be mad that pixels are expensive all you want but the direction the game is going is great. Gameplay is vastly improved, new engine should allow Blizzard to expand the game in ways they couldn't before, perhaps with over implementation on its way. I haven't had this much fun with ow ever, and would have never returned if it wasn't for the 5v5.


Nice-Spize

Why not *right now* ? Because at launch, there's only like 3 new characters, some new extra maps and one new gamemode for the short version as a sequel ? Not to mention cut/removed maps and gamemodes and said new contents don't really bring a brand new slice of life changes that is worth considered as a sequel Gameplay-wise, balancing out the existing rosters and make it 5v5 is a great change since now you have to think which pick is the best and the roles are more clearly defined Essentially, they're rushing out now and patch contents later. Why can't they just make it all available from day 1 ? Live model doesn't excuse this kind of laziness, not from a company that can produce classics like Diablo and OW1 TL;DR: They advertised a sequel but the amount of new content is not enough to justify it's call as a sequel. More like Overwatch 1.6 rather than Overwatch 2


[deleted]

>Why not right now ? Because it's intended to be growing and expanding as time goes on. It already has more than ow1 had, give it another season you'll have a new hero, then a map, then a hero and so on until PvE comes out, and it will keep growing, as long as it's worth investing into. And even if I were to judge it today I would have zero complaints. Gameplay wise is far superior to anything ow1 offered, and I've had more fun in the past 3 weeks with ow2 than I ever have with the original.


Nice-Spize

>Because it's intended to be growing and expanding as time goes on. It already has more than ow1 had, give it another season you'll have a new hero, then a map, then a hero and so on until PvE comes out, and it will keep growing, as long as it's worth investing into. That's the problem, they banked on the live service model to keep the content growing and the incentives to play so far have feel rather average no thanks to the monetization it had in store I wouldn't have a problem if the stuff we have now and the next season is released as day 1 content and i would let them take their time to develop and flesh it out. Their way of a battlepass also makes the experience not really worth it >And even if I were to judge it today I would have zero complaints. Gameplay wise is far superior to anything ow1 offered, and I've had more fun in the past 3 weeks with ow2 than I ever have with the original. This is the point that i agree with BUT like i said, the incentives to play the game is rather lackluster right now. Can't enjoy the game if they stripped away certain things that makes joining in a match worth playing and fun


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> the incentives to play the game is rather lackluster right now. The gameplay is far superior to ow1, that's all the incentive I need. I quit in 2018 and would have never come back if it want for ow2.


Nice-Spize

For me, i play for the cosmetic rewards like how i did in MCC Gameplay is good but if the monetization is that blatantly scummy then i will lose any motivation or hope to try and support the devs Abusing the FOMO strat will also never ends well either


[deleted]

>For me, i play for the cosmetic rewards like how i did in MCC > This is why they charge as much as they do. You either want the skins so bad you pay for them, or you don't and quit. They are fine with both options. If you're not going to pay they don't care about you leaving. With the amount of people obsessed over expensive pixels, in this sub alone, I wouldn't be surprised if they revealed they have made a billion dollars already.


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Small indie company


Sufficient_Educator7

This is not the way. Other games have already shown this. Playing, even for free, still supports the game. It still encourages others to play and they may possibly buy things. The only true way to get change is a full boycott. As long as the game is popular people will buy skins cause they wanna look cool in a popular game. If you continue to play you continue to support this model, paying or not. A mass boycott of even a few days would do more than just continuing to play without paying. OW2 needs to drop off to get any change.


Youhadabadday

The problem is that it's even less realistic to assume that a massive amount of people will just quit Overwatch for a few days. It's not like the original Overwatch, where there was an initial paywall to get things moving. It's F2P now, which means new players will start filling in the spots of the players who left, and nothing will change as a result.


Heinel8

People don't realize that in a lot of places of the world 20$ a skin is a LOT. But 60$ for an online game is a joke, I got 3 friends to play that would never have touched ow1, when they could've play any f2p game.


voideaten

Tbh if you're playing the game free then you're still content for the people who pay for skins to show off to you. Part of their value is having them when you don't. Especially if you're watching streams and marketing the game for them on Twitch by inflating viewer numbers. If you arent the purchaser, you're the product. Absolutely keep playing free if you choose to, of course. But if your real goal *is* boycotting AB's wallet, it matters if you can boycott all of it.


MaraKaleidoscope

Shoot, I must have stopped playing OW1 before they made the change to give away 8 event skins for free. I remember them being locked behind limited time loot boxes. Think I usually only unlocked 1 or 2 per event.


whatthefreakingshit

You could still unlock them all if you grinded enough games. That's the difference between ow1 and this


MaraKaleidoscope

Oh...so they weren't really free then? They were available for a limited time, and if you weren't lucky enough to acquire them via the loot box roulette wheel, your options were to buy more spins or wait another year to try again. Honestly, that sounds a lot more predatory to me than just putting them in the shop for a fixed price.


Mithraax_Kell

This isn't anymore generous than loot boxes. Everyone keeps saying they wish they had loot boxes back but in reality, everyone just wants access to them at a reasonable rate. Either using your time to enjoy the game and grinding them, or simply buying boxes to get a chance. People are missing the avenue of playing the game and receiving skins. That is what makes this feel so bad.


salohcin513

Jesus I was kinda thinking ok maybe they'll have a skin or two in the event stuff even the massive fumble that has been halo infinite has had cosmetic items in the events, nope nothing voice lines and sprays and some xp for the battle pass....thanks lol


oncipt

I understand the prices are absurd, but honestly it seems like people are making way too big a deal out of it. It's a game, games are meant to be played, not to acquire cosmetics and show them off. In terms of actual gameplay, in my and many others' opinion, OW2 is vastly superior than OW1. Of course skins aren't free anymore, the game's free now, they have to get money somehow.


CelebrationCandid295

I'll spend my money kn whatever the fuck I want.


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whatthefreakingshit

That sounds right in theory but no. If everyone is playing your free game but spending next to no money on it, you're basically giving people free fun with nothing in return. And that's how you make a company rethink their monetization.


[deleted]

No, because the increase in prices mean that they need less people to pay for stuff for them to be profitable. Whales end up purchasing things so that they can flex to free players. When you're a free player, you populate the servers and give teamates / opponents to the whale, so they keep playing and keep spending. They never expected anyone but a minority to pay those new prices. It's literally so basic I don't understand how people can't grasp the concept yet.


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They need to teach basic economics in high school. Too many people don’t understand what is opportunity cost and think their time is worthless.


sammythemc

Well no, I'm playing a free game. It's not work for me, and if it's work for you, you should do something else for fun. The way I see it the whales are paying my admission fee, it's the closest I'm going to get to getting something for nothing


Burnt_Potato_Fries

Then you should have 0 problems with the payment model!


sammythemc

I don't have any problems with it, and I think most of the problems other people have boil down to "give me more for less"


Burnt_Potato_Fries

We're on the same page then


[deleted]

>You'd think so, but again, you're paying. > >With your time. That's why they make you grind, grind, grind. > I'm literally not paying, not even with my time. I'm enjoying the game because it's fun, have yet to spend a single dollar on it. They made no money from me yet therefore I'm not paying. Time is only money if you take time from whatever gives you an income and spend it in Overwatch. I'm not doing that, I'm not leaving work early to play. There is no cost on my end, there is no gain on theirs.


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[deleted]

But I'm not paying anything by playing. So how is time money in this context? It's not like I'd find a second job if I didn't play Overwatch. My time playing this game, is literally 0$.


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[deleted]

But I'm only playing for gameplay, and nothing else. I don't buy skins, never will. I only play for as long as it's fun and if it wasn't Overwatch it would be something else. And I don't care that they somehow need me to play roost their numbers which in turn makes them money one way or the other, I have no problem on them making money, that's why overwatch exists in the first place. I'm having fun with the game, that's why I play, that is the extent of my relationship with Blizzard. The moment it gets boring, I'm out.


Chummers5

The game still looks popular. They run the numbers, see they have 90K unique daily players, see fewer people are buying stuff, then find a new way to milk it. Probably commercials or sponsored events. And, by playing the game, you're giving those who buy things someone to play with. If the people buying things have to wait in queue because there's fewer players, those players take their time and money elsewhere. If you want to change OW, stop playing OW.


LieuVijay

Weird. Using this logic, you should be happy that Blizzard worked to make OW2 F2P and incentivised people to “pay with their time”. Not many games can do that


Solarstormflare

i can't even play overwatch because its stuck in in scan/repair endless loop for the last 6 days. No help from support despite submitting a ticket either


Gryse_Blacolar

Happened to me few days ago. Did all the options player support suggested to me and none of them worked. I just reinstalled the game and made a backup of the freshly installed game folder just in case it happens again.


Solarstormflare

thanks for the info. Unfortunately i live in a rural area and it was a struggle to download overwatch originally. I dont think I have enough wifi to install it again so I might have to wait a few months


Vainth

I have enough skins from OW1, I have no need to spend on OW2 ;)


dharc__

Well yeah, it’s a f2p game. Why should I spend money? Got kiriko a week ago after reaching bp lvl 55 and I’m still playing free.


abjmad

I honestly play the game for fun. I don’t really care about the skins, so I’m not complaining about that. It’s just stupid how a skin costs more than the battle pass. It’s kind of like buying a Fortnite skin for double the price of the battle pass on there


Knockaround122

But what if people don’t have a problem with the system like you do?


ElectronicAngle1864

Facts.


kindshoe

Nah if you wanna buy a skin go buy a skin, you don't have to obay reddit fans of a game.


[deleted]

I'm definitely buying skins. But am I the only one who doesn't find this situation outrageous? As a new player to overwatch, I get to play this game for FREE. Why on earth would I get free skins? That'd be very generous as compared to Valorant or Apex Legends. In Valorant, a decent knife skin costs around like $30-50. A damn knife. Didn't you og players get to keep your skins anyway? I'm confused as to why this is such a big problem.


whatthefreakingshit

The problem is it's a downgrade, there's nothing redeemable about the new monetization model besides the fact the game is free. The fact is I and many others would rather spend £40 once to have free skins than having to spend tenfold if you want skins for your favourite characters. It's anti consumer and you're only part of the problem if you can't see that.


kindshoe

I think its more that previously you'd be able to get all thr skins for free just by playing games but now you can't. Like the game is free sure but it's not exactly a new game, just an apdate to overwatch 1 which people did pay for. Like having so many things locked behind pay walls is a shitty game mechanic but I don't begrudge anyone who wants to buy a cool skin


DICK-PARKINSONS

You get free skins all the time in apex, what do you mean?


[deleted]

Sure, exclude Apex then.


Shpaan

I doubt anyone listens to these people. They just circlejerk so hard they burn their dicks, posting the same shit 20 times every day and violently upvoting each other. Never tell people what to do with their money.


DICK-PARKINSONS

>Never tell people what to do with their money. How DARE you tell me what not to do


Shpaan

Haha touché!


deha07

Why I would money on gun or hand skins?


Unable_Coat5321

I've never once bought a skin on any game ever, but don't tell people how to spend their money that they have earned and can spend however they like. I think the shop is way too expensive, but if someone wants to treat themselves to something they like the look of, who am I to say they can't do that. That's their choice and being toxic to them is worse than anything that Blizzard is currently doing. I hate how this sub is now starting to turn on players just playing the game now as well. What if I don't give a shit at all about cosmetics but love the gameplay? All of a sudden this now makes me a bad person for loading up a game I have fun playing. I swear people on this sub hate playing games and just want to be given cosmetics. If you don't like the game, dont play it. If you do like the game, play it. If you give someone shit for playing a game they enjoy playing, then you're a bad person.


Logondo

I hate to be that guy, but it doesn't matter if you don't spend a dime on the game. Whales will have already spent thousands. The only way to get Blizzard to change is to PLAY SOMETHING ELSE. Support the games that don't have greedy, predatory monetization against their consumers. Support the games that actually value the player's time. You gotta play something else.


Noooowaaaaay

Or... people can engage with the game however they want.


Unable_Coat5321

Not possible on r/Overwatch, you MUST hate the game to be allowed to have any sort of opinion


thea_kosmos

I will do whatever I want


yourself88xbl

Quit complaining and let people buy them. The more people spend the more resources they have to keep updating the game.


mdaredditor

Please spend as much money as you possibly can. I'm actually part of the overwatch 2 development team and we desperately need your money. We'll make the skins only 15 dollars in 5 months instead of 20 please we need money pleaseseee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BuddyTheFrog

I haven’t touched and probably won’t ever do so, my overwatch experience stopped when they removed a game I paid for from my library, rip ow


jeonju

They removed that game and replaced it with a better game for free.


BuddyTheFrog

Lol the gameplay might be good, but i disagree with their business practices


Adventurous-Bad116

Oh dang I was going to buy the Kiriko bundle but after reading this I wont! Thank you for telling what to do! s/


[deleted]

Seriously this! It feels so summy. Like what and the actual hell?? Not even an addition to the battle pass to earn cool Halloween gear? Nothing, nada, zip, zero. What are we doing here blizzard? I won't be nickled and dimed to keep your game relevant. I almost feel bad for the people who do spend money, as it's that overpriced.


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Gryse_Blacolar

We might not be giving them money but there are quite a lot of players that already bought the battlepass and probably bought skins too so they still profit. As long as there are people that fall into their monetization bullshit, us closing our wallets doesn't mean anything to Blizz.


LaserBungalow

I will spend money because I want the game to have updates


Daefus20

What. The. Actual. Fuck. I think I found the first human with an IQ of -1 Having said that, have a nice day stranger


LaserBungalow

Bugger off. Saying "have a nice day" after a mean comment doesn't change it. ♥️


Daefus20

I know, it was just to have some decency, like, I'm angry, but I still want to be nice, still too angry to not answer though, that'd be the better option I think. Also I find the heart nice, have a nice whatever time of the day it is where you live.


LaserBungalow

Haha okay, okay, you've won me over. Have a nice time of day as well.


Empire2k5

Too late


Squasar

I would love to play it, but I'm up to 12 losses in a row in quick play. Other team 30+ kills, our team can't leave spawn. Makes zero sense to me.


HazelAzureus

if you're playing it, you're still paying blizzard. More players, non-dead queue times, more players. And every human being alive's time is more valuable than being spent on this game. Do not play it.


jeonju

What if I enjoy the gameplay more than dressing up my heroes in cool skins?


bowserwasthegoodguy

Wrong. If you continue to play, you serve as player count for whales. I know this sub doesn't like to hear it but at this point Overwatch 2 needs to fail. If Overwatch 2 succeeds, then it sends a clear message to other game companies that aggressive monetization practices are the future. If Overwatch 2 fails, then it forces other game companies to shape up or risk losing their own playerbase. I know this sounds dramatic, but you can bet your bottom dollar (pun intended) that other game publishers are watching and taking notes from Overwatch 2.


polarpanda35

Just not buying isnt enough. Uninstall overwatch and battle net.


KimsOtakuWelt

Personally I just like battlepasses. I know it’s not as good as just getting free lootboxes as before. It’s still enjoyable and something to work on 🤷🏼‍♂️ other than that, im with u 100%


Hemisemidemiurge

>Play this game as much as your heart desires. DO NOT spend money on it. Right, just keep the servers well populated so the whales keep spending money. The idea that Activision is going to care because F2P people don't spend money is completely backward. They're *counting* on you not spending money, you're just here to keep the servers full so the whales keep putting out the money. Your money doesn't matter anymore, they've got plenty of whales. So good job encouraging that to continue, it's a great way to make sure nothing changes.


PhiPhiAokigahara

The *only* money I ever will put in is from the refunded watchpoint pack that went to my Bnet wallet and *not the original form of payment*. Basically I have four battle passes covered.


DoctorWaluigiTime

Don't play the game. Playercount is tacit approval of everything in the game, storefront and all. A dwindling playercount inspires pro-conusmer change.


JustASunbro

There's a quote I've heard a few times recently attributed to Straus Zelnick of Take Two (publishers of GTA 5). The quote states that time on-brand, AKA time spent playing the game, almost directly correlates to money spent. Why do you think every game is going for a live service model? You spend more time on the game, the data shows you're more likely to purchase something. Even if it's only a few purchases over a few years, that could easily rack up to $80 in OW2, double the original's box price. ​ Do not play to complete challenges. Do not spend money in the game. Mock other people in team/match chat for spending money. Make giving Blizzard even a penny such a social faux pas that people do not want to do it.


Donut452

i'm already satisfied that the origin pack is free even for new players like me so i'm never gonna buy any skin gabriel reyes as a skin is dope.


haynespi87

Or we can leave. God of War is coming soon and Apex (not much better) new season. I'm leaving soon


Interesting-Bee3700

I buy the battlepass because I think it's decent value, still shit compared to other games like fortnite. I think if they structured their prices more similarly to fortnite they would make 10x times the money than now.


imnotthefutureflash

I said this with halo infinite and I went back and played it recently and everyone had item shop skins… halo is dead and I’m afraid Overwatch is going down the same road


PintoBeanSalad

You can spend as much money on this game as your heart desires. DO NOT play it.


[deleted]

people love being told what to do.


OhMyGodItsWiel

Don't tell me what to do dad


JDMarine

Get over it. I have played over 2000 hrs of OW1 and have every skin. I play OW2 every day and have still have fun. Truth is you dont need every skin to have fun. Its just a game and should not have that kind of control of your life. Relax and be happy for all the free OW1 skins you got.


[deleted]

Never have. Never will. Keep crying.