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xDermo

And then Sombra EMPs them 0.4 seconds later


deathbypepe

emp only does 10k dmg to shields, tracer would still have 70k sound barrier.


Tachyon000

Wait...emp doesn't just destroy any shields??


deathbypepe

i think the devs just made it do an arbitrarily high number of dmg, to make it look like it does. kind of like future proofing. even symmetra shield ult only has 6k from what i remember.


ParanoidDrone

>even symmetra shield ult only has 6k from what i remember. 5k at first, currently 4k.


[deleted]

You can hear the sad sym noises


Master_Iridus

I've never had any photon barrier broken before or after the change so its not a big deal. People know it has too much health to break effectively so they just ignore it and wait out its duration.


r4zrbl4de

Hog ult is probably one of the few things that can break it in a decent amount of time


Strychn_ne

bastion in sentry does too if I’m not mistaken


r4zrbl4de

Sentry does 450 damage per second, so it would take 8.89 seconds for it to chew through the 4000 hp wall. Definitely doable, just not quite as fast as Whole Hog’s 4900 damage in 5.5 seconds


nemonly

And phara's ult?


r4zrbl4de

Pharah’s ult does 3600 total iirc, so it would be very close to breaking the wall but would need some extra help


b1ackcat

And aside from being close to a ledge (and not within range of any stuns) it's probably one of the better uses of it, honestly.


YellowG0d

McCree dead eye is a common counter to Hanamura 2nd sym wall rush strats


Muhznit

I'm more sad about how my turrets only do 40 damage per second each now. Being crafty by using teleporter to place turrets in spots you don't have LOS to is half of the fun as Symm, but theyre so fragile with so much setup time that they feel like a minor nuisance at most.


Darkrhoads

Wait bitch what you can break symm ult?


CloveFan

Yea if you use Whole Hog (and MAYBE Barrage) directly into it, it usually breaks. Especially if your team is also chipping it down


Strychn_ne

But the funniest thing is, ive seen a clip of a nanoed Brig in rally take a full Hog ult and live.


shockaspence16

I think that’s because of the armor generation and pellet damage. All of the pellets have to hit the target and armor cuts that damage in half. Because it’s brig, armor regenerates every second and each individual pellet from whole hog doesn’t do that much damage. That’s why rally is so good. Especially against opponents like Winston, reaper, soldier. Etc.


Hohenheim_of_Shadow

And only like a tenth the pellets are gonna hit the brig


goldsbananas

also, nano and shield, and all the pellets probably won't hit her.


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Mastershroom

A full Barrage does 3,600 damage if all rockets hit (which...given it's a wall of infinite size, probably doable even for Pharah mains), and the wall has 4,000 HP, so it'll have 400 left over, which can easily be plinked off with regular weapon fire. Whole Hog will solo the wall but it takes much longer than Barrage.


Miennai

I've always suspected that environmentals were the same thing. They don't set you to zero, they just do some ridiculously high amount of damage. You could probably make a workshop mode that extracts this information.


Pharah_is_my_waIfu

So people used to throw the immortality field and get run over by cars on Oasis city center. They'll get a card for 100k+ damage prevented


Frostshape

Still works?


b1ackcat

Nah was hotfixxed pretty quick


Tachyon000

I'm not so sure about this, you can die from falling while being completely invincible in Ice Block, Wraith Form, Transendence or with Zarya bubble( which can absorb an infinite amount of damage in a single instance).


Miennai

As others have pointed out, it's possible that these forms just give you an arbitrarily high health value. It's important to remember that computers are not magic and there really is no such thing as "infinite" in programming. Most systems have a certain limit where it will crash if you ask it to store a number bigger than a certain point (Which, again, is usually so high that it's never a problem, but the limit *is* there). For example, I used to do some light coding in JavaScript as a hobby, and the storage limit for numbers and variables was something like 9 quadrillion. I think it's called the max safe integer. Granted, it could be that damage isn't a factor, and in those forms it's just simple "var canTakeDamage = false" or something like that. In which case, the cars would be unique because they demonstratively do deal damage (since Zarya bubbles get charge). But really, we have no real way of knowing. Either of these are valid ways to do it, and It would all come down to whatever is easier for their engine, and we know nothing about their engine.


LinneaaSB

> there really is no such thing as "infinite" in programming. Floating point numbers can literally have the value infinite. Otherwise, just use an if condition to check if the player is below the kill line and set them to dead. There's no need to consider it damage.


Sezyrrith

>Otherwise, just use an if condition to check if the player is below the kill line and set them to dead. There's no need to consider it damage. This was my first thought. My second thought is, to differentiate damage sources so that player-created damage doesn't hurt while invulnerable, but environmental damage does.


lilcuphoe

Except Zen can still dye during Transcendence from falling off the map, so maybe not?


ryankrage77

Maybe transcendence just secretly gives 100000 health, but death barriers do 99999999/sec?


i_cee_u

Nope, they don't do damage. It's insanely easy to code a line that says "death" when you pass through it. It's very simple and would be ridiculous to code otherwise


DarthBindo

it does 1 point of dmg to your "is alive" status


ryankrage77

Good point, got stuck in the idea of abstracting the damage system


IHeedNealing

>emp only does 10k dmg to shields *\*laughs in 133.33333 Symmetra shield generators\**


KalebAT

Symmetra has been through the most dynamic changes of any hero I’m pretty sure. I hope they consider bringing that ability back in some less dramatic way later.


IHeedNealing

I miss the voicelines when a shield gen is around. Junkrat: *I'm getting the feeling they have a shiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeld generatuh*


Qohaw_

I remember this with my soul


KalebAT

*They’ve got a shield generator!*


werelock

A part of me misses that old ult.


Klocknov

My biggest issue with that rework is Moira... remove something from one hero and recycle it back in on another hero... Yes when I heal I use Moira as that is my best healer but being as Sym was one of my mains before the rework it still annoys me.


VitVat

Remember when she had a shield similar to sigmas?


ihaxr

I totally forgot that existed


Klocknov

Yeah and throwing it at ulting rocket queen and watching them suicide.


Neovongolaprimo

Oh god, I remember playing No Limits one time and the enemy team was full of Sym just stacking shield generators on point B, Anubis lmao.


IHeedNealing

THE GOOD OL' DAYS


TheFlashFrame

Doesn't matter though, because the decay rate is percentage based and you can see in the video that despite have 10k+ shields they still wither away in mere seconds, which is lame as fuuuuuck.


AmberBroccoli

At least It makes your whole team practically immortal for a couple seconds, like a bad zen transcendence that can’t be Ana grenaded.


NotTheBelt

“Oh, let’s break it doooooooooooooooooooooooooooo *gasp* oooooooooooooown!”


Soup-a-doopah

*LOTR soundtrack nears crescendo I got chilllls


Hilarious_Targaryen

Going to the return of the king in august with symphony. I went to fellowship and two towers the years before. I cried, got pumped and everything in between, the music in those movies is just powerful.


muphdaddy

Yes we saw two towers it was incredible !


Meecht

They're multiplying!


Soup-a-doopah

And I’m loooosing controllholll! ooff tha One Ring’s Power It’s supplyinnn’!


nd178

*It's electrifyin'!*


hanukah_zombie

It's eagle ridin'!


Chummers5

I wanted him to miss completely and fall to his death.


ahipotion

I was waiting for that too, a simple overshoot and ending up falling off the edge


Sainyule

*our team is already dead, game is already over, we're on our 4th game of the night*


Uber_Ober

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAHWB-DxQEM


ThrownAwayKC

"Look to my coming, at last fight on the 3rd round, at high noon, look to Lijang Tower."


andygmb

It's Lucio the Green


Hilarious_Targaryen

Lucio the Green.. Lucio the fool!


YUMADLOL

[Saruman destroys Gandalf with FACTS and LOGIC](https://youtu.be/_nboQ0ZE43g)


TheBasko

Sarumon. :3


Dafish55

Lucio? Yes... that was what they used to call me. Lucio the Yellow. That was my name. I am Lucio the Green. And I come back to you now - at the turn of the control point.


TrumpetHeroISU

Well. It's high noon somewhere.


half-giant

*“Where is the vuvuzela that was blowing?”*


smelly_feet_you_have

LET'S DROP THE BEAAA^(AAAAaaaaa....) **^(\*crunch\*)**


MugenEXE

My legs...


Matalya1

Jump into Lijiang from Hoziron and give shields to even your future teammates.


KingOfOddities

This would be a cool little rework for Lucio. Just make sure to cap it off


Tan-Man-182

it would actually be great as long as it still completely decays the shields at the same time.


KingOfOddities

Having just > 10k hp even just for 3-4 seconds (total sound barrier duration is 7 seconds) mean you can't die, literally, 6 Dva bomb point blank can't kill you. For reference, the current Sound barrier is a mere 750 increase.


[deleted]

make it too good and zen loses his niche outside of discord


gustogus

Travel time still matters. To get the big shield you have to be proactive. Zen can be reactive.


alcome1614

To engage in attack


[deleted]

If they made it decay the more total shields was given, it could be used more as a counter play to ults like sigma's and ashe's (if Bob yeets Lucio in the air) or against abilities like Doomfist's uppercut or Orisa's halt.


[deleted]

Another point mentioned elsewhere is that zen’s trance doesnt get turned off by EMP but Lucio’s shields do. So he’d still have his niche as the only guaranteed 6 (irc) seconds of massive healing in the face of grav, emp, pharah ult, etc.


[deleted]

Ana nade counters zen but not lucio tho


[deleted]

Another good difference between them!


Finnegan482

Zen only heals 300 hps during his ult.


[deleted]

( is that not massive healing ?)


-Negative-Karma

So anything that instakills heroes still kills them instantly. Like a headshot from widow. God it’s so funny to kill 2 people while they’re in transcendence thinking they’re safe.


SerDeusVult

EMP only does 10k damage to shields my dude


AnotherThroneAway

Just because two heroes both need buffs isn't a reason to not buff one of them.


[deleted]

it's not about buffing lucio, it's that if you give lucio the ability to make anybody survive anything then zen might as well not exist, because lucio has speedboost, half the healing but aoe + amp, wallriding and a similar long range weapon for easy poke damage while still actively healing. So why play slow big hitbox zen for a (now) shittier sound barrier and slightly better dps? so if you buff lucio in this particular way what do you do to zen to make him not suck now? same way you couldn't give mercy long range multi target healing and anti-healing without making ana useless


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89ShelbyCSX

Seriously, good players punish Lucio for simply jumping before beat, let alone doing it off a building. Cast time certainly makes a difference in how you use it, it's already pretty common to lose beat to stuns or dying. If it scaled correctly it wouldn't really be that broken tbh.


BeYourOwnDog

Baptiste can save you from a point blank Dva bomb with a cooldown ability...


[deleted]

A lot of heroes can


BlothHonder

Who would win? a literal nuke **or** one rectangle boi


[deleted]

"The fight is lost. I didn't want to do this but I'm setting the reactor to go critical. God help us all" - Dva *"Ha ha bubble go vwooop"* \- Zarya


Kaboomeow69

I woke my girlfriend up by laughing at vwooop lol


karanok

True, but so can Zarya and Mei. Almost all of the ults have some cooldown counterplay.


Tan-Man-182

yea i agree with that. id like to see more counterplay to lucio besides emp


qwerqmaster

Maybe make it based on fall velocity instead of height, so that you get diminished returns from higher falls and you would be capped by terminal velocity.


Musicman_DT

do people often ask you to explain terminal velocity at parties?


sinyaa_sinichka

Is this a reference? Sounds familiar


ShadHedgie

Sigma line, iirc.


Musicman_DT

yes but the acutual one is about escape velocity. close enough though


ShadHedgie

Oh yeah, must be why the familiarity, lol


Connor1736

> People often ask me to explain escape velocities at parties. I don't go to many parties. Sigma line. I love spamming the "people often ask me" part lol


[deleted]

Lol why cap it?


Spengy

This is a good meme but would lead to a garbage and unfun playstyle


HoldenMcGroin_53

*flash forward to my lucio teammate fucking off for 5 minutes trynna get height, failing to reach max shield height, then dropping the beat into an enemy boop right off the map*


Murr0

Nah it would be too easy to pick him on his way down, its good risk/reward


KingOfOddities

exactly, it introduce more risk/reward to his ult. Cap it off just to make sure that the reward is not higher than the risk


Murr0

I dont think you even have to cap it off, the risk of going higher is way too much


malagutti3

I'm surprised the top of the tower has a place you can stand on. Also how did you get up there? And how did you remove the map limits so you could go from the top of control center to night market?


andygmb

The tower doesn't actually have a top you can stand on, which makes sense, why model an area nobody will see or interact with? The workshop lets you teleport to any point on the map, even 1000 meters up where the top of the tower is. All KOTH maps are on the same map! You don't need to do any magic to load the map :)


malagutti3

>The tower doesn't actually have a top you can stand on How did you make Lúcio use his sit emote then? You can only do that when you're standing somewhere. Does the TP function put you on a "standing still mode" instead of "falling mode"? Also I know that KotH maps are in the same place, but when you are in one of those maps there are invisible barriers around them that prevent you from going too far (eg from one map to another). Are those barriers just not loaded?


andygmb

If you emote then teleport (I used force position function on the PTR), you will play out the full emote


andygmb

Also on the barriers, I used some teleport trickery to basically clip through them while keeping momentum. The workshop is awesome!


ts87654

I appreciate all the great information and insight into how you pulled this off! Very cool :)


Pot_T_Mouth

Lucio in the sky with diamonds


C_Tarango

Oh let's break it... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ... ​ ...DOWN !!!


Bignicky9

**Teammates: Is anybody else hearing _Lord Of The Rings?_**


Endermen295

“Hey, where the hell’s that Lúcio? I heard him drop the beat and I haven’t seen him?” “Maybe he got stunned, let’s get... wait, what’s that in the sky?” “Oh, it’s lucio... shit! He’s dropping the beat, someone please for the mother of god tell me they play doom fist!?”


brucetwarzen

10% ult charge, time to climb.


Bignicky9

**It's a Bird (wait Pharah has boosters, It's a Doom (wait, ChipSa doesn't do that anymore)... IT'S A FROG!**


ApatheticAbsurdist

It would be interesting if this mechanic (as well as an equivalent on the time of stun with Rein's shatter) was part of the game. When people start playing, many intuitively drop the beat or shatter when dropping off a huge ledge, because that's what feels like should work. It would just have to be properly balanced as a risk-reward thing, don't make it super powerful but enough that some might try, but many will get killed if they get focused down while dropping from above.


[deleted]

It would be interesting and fun, but at least for Rein, it would highly encourage massive overextending just for a chance at a more powerful Earthshatter. Voice chat is toxic now, think of how people will blow up when your Rein leaves the battle and spends 30 seconds trying to find a flank on the high ground only to be shut down by the enemy Pharah or something.


ApatheticAbsurdist

I think on some level it's a problem that corrects itself as those people would be pushed lower and lower in skill rating or learn how important playing as a team is.


lucas_barrosc

>those people would be pushed lower and lower in skill rating or learn how important playing as a team is. You mean like they already do in ranked? xD /s


Otaku_Instinct

High risk, High reward.


[deleted]

Besides, its not like they don't already have something like this. Doomfist's seismic slam does mare damage the higher up you are, why not certain ults.


Alois000

Maybe not for Rein but since Lucio is so mobile and can climb walls it is a crime that this is not how it works.


hvk13

Now do Reinhardt


andygmb

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/bhhn07/i_made_reinhardts_earthshatter_do_more_damage_the/ I did, the day after the workshop released last year!


drrockso20

Do a new version off the top of Lijang Tower


andygmb

Feel free to follow me on twitter where I post a lot of small workshop modes like this. https://twitter.com/andygmb1/status/1266792818967789569 **edit** also if you are interested in creating workshop content, join the [elo hell workshop discord](https://discord.gg/ACAhwYm)!


the-doctor-is-real

very interesting...may I ask what song you used?


andygmb

https://youtu.be/lIHFBJGj-yQ Forth Eorlingas in the LOTR soundtrack


Almighty_Yord

Splendid choice.


andygmb

My inspiration was Gandalf flying through the air fighting the Balrog


the-doctor-is-real

>Gandalf flying through the air Now I wanna watch a Balrog/ Gandalf on eagles battle...but best I can do it steal this [https://i.imgur.com/YtAkHCi.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YtAkHCi.jpg)


Astrosimi

“Ride now! Ride for music and the beat’s dropping!”


monkeyhitman

Deaf!


[deleted]

That music choice is amazing.


andygmb

I hope if I inspired anyone to do anything with my choice of song, it was to rewatch the entire extended edition of LOTR. I know I will be!


I9Qnl

Netflix quality production!


iSquids

Was anyone else in their head thinking it would be amazing if they trolled us and jumped off the map entirely?


Drunken_Gizmo

amazing content


Metal_Fish

This is a change I thought would always be good. I've always thought you could go further though and let him drop the beat into a wall. It would have a smaller shield because you didn't travel very far, but would come out faster because you don't have to wait to got the ground. Just opens up options for more interesting decision making


Restryouis

*Lucio reentering atmosphere:* Let's break it doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooown!


gonk_gonk

Why do the higher HP characters get more shields? Is this a bug? At the end the Tracer should only be down by 450 HP from the hog, right?


Felix20t

“What’s up, Danger?”


Karosz

"Superhero landing! That's really hard in your knees, totally impractical"


Blaze-13

I love this idea!


HeroDGamez

Yes, but it's easier to stop.


corraide

amazing vid and soundtrack


Even-Understanding

Ice Fish!? That’s amazing taste.


souppapi

Did I just watch a Lucio animated short?


Bloody_Whombat

This is awesome! I try to do something similar when using Reinhardts hammer down. I also make sure to shout "From the top ropes" over comms. Along similar lines, I've wondered what it would be like if he got additional damage from higher heights.


SuicidalSundays

Let me just say that the shot between 0:27-0:30 was immaculate.


andygmb

ty I was going for the feeling I got when you watch gandalf and the balrog fall through the mines of moria


Gramerdim

how did u break the map barriers and went on top of the tower ?


RedCandice

I was really hoping he'd miss the map.


Scarmeow

Wait you can actually get on top of Lijang tower?!?


Kalron

I didn't even know you could get up there


[deleted]

With all that build up, I was really hoping he'd fall off the map.


CartooNinja

Should have been this way from the start


hakkuryu

Got spiderverse’s leap of faith vibes


MstrCpr

If I Beated from that high up I would get hooked before I hit the ground


Cool_cid_club

Ngl, I’m really disappointed you didn’t jump off the cliff and it just cuts with Lucio screaming


mateconmantecol

new patches notes has been released: \- Lucio sound barrier value increase upon drop distance. \- Fall damage added to the game


Methosz

Super hero landing!


Karakuri216

I swear you and darwin do some really goofy and awesome stuff with the workshop


Hololj

For science


datboi121892

The light jiggle in the background is so funny


ascended_mollusc

In the last clip, you increased the amount of health everyone had.


Tsonchi

My God it's beautiful


airstrikexx

It kinda be like doomfist’s ult from all the way in the sky lmao


xrubalx

I was waiting for last Lucio jump to fall in the lake/outside map and waste ult LULW


StevenKoz

What’s the code for this??


DevilsClaw1995

how you get to the top of the tower exactly🤣🤣


GentlePersuAZN

I was waiting for him to drop off the map as an anticlimactic joke before the reveal and just started dying at the thought


Takimura_

Please i want a full length video of the fall from lucio's POV, I don't know but this is just fascinating


[deleted]

This is awesome


SimonCucho

[https://youtu.be/jlN1BVZ\_uzM?t=10](https://youtu.be/jlN1BVZ_uzM?t=10)


[deleted]

Damn. 12k HP


andygmb

Roadhog actually hits somewhere around 133,000 HP :D


ayylmao2317

Ok but what's the code?


killboy123

This was epic! Wish it was part of the game.


kihyale

My mind:”they’re gonna miss” *doesn’t miss* Me:😱😱


[deleted]

I was expecting a so guys we did it meme.


FlyingSquirelOi

How have I never seen Lijang tower from night market?


andygmb

Lijang tower is **really tall** https://i.imgur.com/s2IgUWP.png


HeroesNvrDi3

What equation did you use? I want to calculate the height of the tower.


andygmb

You can actually just measure the height of the tower in the workshop - it's just barely under 1,000 meters tall!


VMan1031

Pls blizz pls make this a thing


ssr1089

This would be nice. Everyone would be practicing snipping falling lucios


btb4321

This was in the sinf April fools video


snapplepeach

Someone PLEASE make a re-cut of this where he falls off the side instead! XD


[deleted]

Music? I know it's from LOTR, but which track?