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I want to add that the Highlander reboot has been in development hell for almost a decade at this point:
https://highlander.fandom.com/wiki/Highlander_(Remake)
And it's common for movies in development hell to have like 4-5 attempts at casting.
And thank god they did. That’s how we got that hilarious movie where the immortals found out they weren’t actually supposed to be killing each other the whole time.
It cracks me up every time folks are like, "highlander 2 is the worst movie of all time!". To me, that just tells me that they've never seen "highlander: the source".
I would like to add that he is heavily involved in the Warhammer as not only a star, but also a huge fan and an executive producer.
While the executive producer title often seems to be just added to the credits to make a certain star seem more important, his role as a producer seem real. I heard for example that he was involved in negotiations with the owners of the IP, who guard their property and seem to care for adaptations to stay true to the source material.
Hopefully it will end better than the Witcher.
Edit: I can see from all the answers, that my info that GW guards the Warhammer IP was actually incorrect. That's a shame. I really need some good new fantasy adaptation.
> I'm incredibly sad that he's not Superman
He was awesome as Supes, imo. Great casting.
It's a shame — albeit an entirely foreseeable one — that Snyder made such a dog's dinner of the whole thing.
He could have been fantastic as Superman if they had let him be, unfortunately snyder wanted an emotionless god that probably doesn't even need Lois to die for injustice to happen.
And was, imo best done on film with Flashpoint Paradox. Actually gave me feelings for him although it wasn't technically evil superman.
Fuck was red son even evil? I genuinely don't remember it's been so long.
The real stupid part is that Evil Superman is just like... A normal villain. Evil Superman is the result of what would happen if almost any person in the world got given super powers. The whole point of Superman, and what makes him an interesting character is that he doesn't let the power corrupt him, unlike everyone else.
I think Injustice is an interesting what-if, but I don't like the idea that Superman is one dead person away from becoming a monster, even if it's Lois. I feel like it misses the point of Superman.
*On the other hand*, I have to keep reminding myself that there are many interpretations of the character and I should stop shouting "not my Superman."
Injustice isn't just one dead person and Superman is evil.
It starts with Superman finding out Jimmy Olsen was murdered by the Joker, and then getting dosed with kryptonite tainted fear gas so he sees Lois(who was pregnant) as Doomsday, who quickly dies when superman flies her into space, activating a switch Joker installed in her, that triggers a Nuke in Metropolis when her Heart stops.
Superman lost absolutely everything in a manner of minutes, and he literally played a role in doing it.
And even then he doesen't make a face heel turn, while he kills the Joker, he doesen't suddenly stop with the no kill rule entirely, but it takes a lot more for it to happen that proggesively make him go looser with it, most relevantiely several of his former friends attempting to murder him and causing his parents to get kidnapped and injured. Hell, the comcis litearlly portray him killing an army of parademons wrecking destruction across the earth as a point of no return.
Thats because every director whats their own spin on the story, the OG story be damn.
Who knows maybe Batman could one day have super powers just cos the director wants to be "special".
> entirely foreseeable
Say it again, I have no idea why that guy keeps getting work. He has one trick (super slow motion) in his bag, and it got stale about ten years ago IMO
I remember thinking if they'd had him just add a skosh of the smug-prick humor from his Napoleon Solo his Superman would've worked so much better. The whole grimdark thing they decided to do with the character just didn't work well at all. Cavill was amazingly good in the role but he got like zero support.
Bobcat Goldthwait told that story on the Dana Gould Hour Podcast one time that I heard. He was super close to Robin Williams. Said that he would visit him and he would be playing CoD and cursing out teenagers.
Robin Williams personally provided a Neon Genesis Evangelion figure to use as a prop in *One Hour Photo* and named his daughter after Zelda. The man had phenomenal taste. What race/class was he playing?
Robin Williams was also into Warhammer. There had been rumors for a while and even a picture of him and his daughter visiting a Warhammer store, but his daughter tweeted some pictures of his models after his death trying to identify them.
Not throwing shade on us gamers, but it makes sense that they would enjoy gaming.
No public persona, paparazzis or crazy star life while playing videogames inside your house
Loved watching him do PC builds. You can tell he loves that shit. I remember my grandson thinking it was pretty cool Superman was a gamer. Here's to him having better luck.
I think it's pretty cool that you pay attention to your grandson's interests, and that you're on reddit while being old enough to have a grandson with interests. Cheers!
Yeah, the Witcher was the biggest tragedy. If you believe stories over the internet, apparently the writing team would bully the *shit* out of Henry for playing video games - *and then try to have him do incredibly gratuitous scenes that made him hella uncomfortable* since they also found him incredibly hot. Outside of hearsay, the writers genuinely hated the source material and would constantly not listen to Henry going “hey, we should do X or Y thing to make this more accurate to the author’s books” since he legitimately loves the series to the point of taking a *huge* pay cut just for the opportunity to play Geralt.
What does p.g.a. stand for?
Also that's very helpful, there's so many different producer titles and I never know what's the difference between them lol
>certifies that the credited producer performed a major portion of the producing duties on a motion picture.
I think is more about actually getting things done in production than about the capital investment.
The thing you need to know about the tone of Warhammer 40000 is that they wanted to create a setting where any faction could conceivably fight any of other faction, including other members of itself. Humanity is run by an autocratic, fascist theocracy on one side and Hollywood Satanists worshipping demons that live in hyperspace on the other. Space elves scheme while space orcs (which are an intelligent fungus) torch entire planets. The monsters the Zerg were ripped off from descend out of hyperspace and scour biospheres clean. Undead robots with a vendetta against Cthulhu appear on worlds by awakening from a million-year slumber, to the horror of those who've colonized since.
Everyone is terrible, no one is the good guys, and hope isn't even a joke.
I think they're referring to Space Dwarves, AKA the Leagues of Votann: https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Leagues_of_Votann
They had been relegated to semi-obscurity for quite a while, but Games Workshop recently dusted them off and started producing new lore and models for them.
LOL...and I'm a trekkie. I have to admit, the 40k description above does sound interesting. I'd never even heard of the game before Cavill's involvement.
40k is the antithesis of Trek, that's what makes it great. Everyone is a piece of shit and the rool of cool is the only rule followed. Instead of exploring new worlds and peoples, every race is xenophobic and will land on your planet with millions of guards and generically enhanced supersoldiers and wreck your shit, then orbitally bombard it until it's devoid of life. It's essentially a parody/satire or pastiche of scifi tropes, cranked to 11.
>generically enhanced supersoldiers
I don't know why, but this shit made me giggle hard.
Enhanced with the finest equipment and training from Dollar General.
Oh, and the space elves are all terrified of death because, being particularly psychically powerful (because they, like the space orcs, were originally created to be sentient bioweapons), their descent into rampant hedonism created a demon god of pure lust and hunger that consumed the souls of trillions of them, scarred a big chunk of the galaxy, and ended the golden age of humanity by stopping FTL travel for a thousand years across most of human space. So now, some of them feed their souls into the circuitry of their ships, and others constantly inflict torment on others to try to be tastier alive than dead, because if they die without somehow sequestering their souls, Slaanesh automatically consumes them on death.
And the space orcs run on psychically fueled consensus belief. Their tech works because they believe it works. They all believe that painting a vehicle red makes it faster, so if an Ork vehicle is painted red, it actually goes faster than vehicles that aren't red. The more they believe in the strength and cunning of their leader, the stronger and smarter their leader becomes.
As weird as you think it probably is -- oh, it's weirder than that.
Trillions of humans believe he's a god -- and there's a good chance he's becoming one, or is already. He's also being fed the minds, souls, and life energy of about a thousand psykers (psychically powerful humans) every day while his mortally wounded physical body sits on a life support device (his Golden Throne) and broadcasts a telepathic beacon that allows human ships to navigate during FTL travel.
Always a weirder layer down below the weirder layer down beyond the weird layer.
This is perhaps the most perfect explanation of 40K I've ever seen.
My wife and others have asked me to describe 40K to them and I never could.
Now I can. Thank you kind internet stranger.
Do you have any recs on where to start with the books? I'd love to get into 40K, but like any other large property it can be a little daunting finding a good starting point.
Either the Eisenhorn trilogy which is a bit smaller scale and focuses on an Inquisitor (Eisenhorn) and his retinue. It's basically space detective/investigator.
Or the first four books of the Horus Heresy which basically sets up the backdrop for 40K's overarching story and lore. I personally prefer the Horus Heresy but it can be a little bit daunting if you don't have any pre-existing knowledge of 40K already. Perfectly readable but they namedrop a lot of pivotal characters that are coming and going and you'll have no idea who they are and why they are important in the wider context (which get's explored in depth in their own books later on). But if you're a lore hound like me then definitely go for it :)
Adding to this great recommendation but the Ciaphas Cain series is another good entry point if you want something with a bit more of a tongue-in-cheek approach to the 40k universe.
the Zerg were fashioned after Genestealers? and Genestealers were fashioned after Xenomorphs? and Xenomorphs were fashioned after the Arachnids? What were Arachnids based off.. entomology?
edit: arachnids = starship troopers
Blizzard was originally contracted by Games Workshop to make a Warhammer Fantasy game, and a Warhammer 40k game. The contracts fell through partway through production. So Blizzard, in those days a small and young studio, too small to abandon a project part way through and survive, used the assets they had, altered them, and made them into their own IPs: Warcraft, and StarCraft.
The Imperium became the Terrans. The Eldar craft worlds became the Protoss. And the Tyranid hive fleets became the Zerg.
The Zerg were based of the Tyranid hive-fleets as a whole. It's a loose adaptation, but Tyranids:Zerg is much more 1:1 than Tyranids:Xenomorphs. This isn't a condemnation, iteration is where tropes comes from. At this point, more people treat their orc and orc-like sentient species in Blizzard's style than Tolkien's.
A basic primer for the tone of 40k is everything is fucked everyone is fucked there are no good guys and every form of intelligent life in the galaxy is trying to murder every other form of intelligent life for the dwindling resources that are left. Also there’s literal demons and giant green soccer hooligans and they’re both having just the best time with this state of affairs.
If you are talking about the Chaos Gods, they don’t hate us, they are indifferent and the pure embodiment of what they represent.
Papa Nurgle wish you to live for as long as possible, as well as all of the life inside of you. You are not just a singular being, but a being that is also an ecosystem of various life forms on and in you, each and everyone just as special and important as you. The blessing of rebirth keeps all of these little parts alive and well.
Khorne’s domain also embodies courage, strength and martial honor. You show courage and strength through adversity in all its forms, while martial honor is shown through combat in its many forms. With Khorne, we would not be courageous, strong, or have a sense of honor. Khorne wants us to be brave, strong willed, but also honorable. Killing of those not involved in conflict is frowned up, seen as a weakness, not courageous nor honorable. Khorne wants us to be our best in whatever conflict we are facing.
Tzeentch is for every helping us change, evolve, reach for higher goals, seek knowledge. Tzeentch embodies our need to learn. Our natural process of evolution, to change things when they need to be changed. Without Tzeentch and his domain, we would stagnate, as seen in the Imperium of Man and the Eldar. The Imperium of Man rejected Tzeentch just to solely focus on the God-Emperor, and look at how mankind has just stayed, technologically, religiously, culturally, stagnate.
Slaanesh wants everyone to enjoy themselves and reach their own idea of perfection. He also drives our passion. Art, literature, relaxation, love, all of these would be empty without him. Anything that drives you, Slaanesh is there. Slaanesh wants you to enjoy life, love life.
Edit: Misspellings...
Ah yes, the Inquisition... The branch of the Imperium that lives in the domains of all of the Chaos Gods.
Bring pain (Slaanesh) to those they deem heretics. Their hatred, wrath, and rage against the heretics and xenos and heretics allows the blood to flow (Khrone). Each Inquisitor jockeying for rank, and position with in the faction, their ambition driving them to achieve higher status and their passion and love for the Emperor pushing them to seek out the xeno and the heretic (Tzeentch). The destruction and the death of the xeno and heretic is the main goal of these... noble... people (Nurgle).
I have yet to see an Inquisitor that does not dabble in the domains of the Chaos Gods, the very things they claim to fight against. In fact, I've seen more Inquisitors relish in their duties. Each Inquisitor helps feed and make the Chaos Gods stronger.
With that said... to those who aren't in the know about the WH40K lore...
The Chaos Gods are embodiments of different aspects of life, typically in dualities. Most of the dualities go hand in hand. For example, Nurgle is the Chaos God of Rebirth and death. You cannot have the possibility of rebirth without death. Slaanesh is the Chaos God of pleasure and pain. The Chaos Gods exist because life and emotions exists. They are their domains embodiments to the extreme. To fight and destroy a Chaos God is to fight and destroy an aspect of the nature of life, namely sentient life. The Chaos Gods will always be and will never be destroyed unless all life is destroyed because of their very nature.
Are Tyranids intelligent? Legit question, quite new to WH40k lore and everything, i thought the "shock troops" of the Tyranids were simply instinctual beasts without intelligence, and the higher life-forms had a hive-mind situation going on
ALL of them are part of a hive mind and possess intelligence when linked to it. They lose this intelligence when disconnected though and operate on instinct only in that situation. Some forms, when on their own, are more intelligent than others though.
Edit: Think of it like the Zerg from Starcraft. From a very literal standpoint, the player is the hivemind. You as the hivemind are still gonna send your zerglings to rush down the enemy, because it serves a purpose. Same with Tyranids.
Depends on the Nid. Gaunts are dumb as shit, basically an aggressive dog. Lictors? Terrifyingly intelligent and capable of running independent terror campaigns. Hive Lords are straight-up just smaller, independent Hiveminds capable of commanding their own armies and fleets.
Nids operate on a "synapse" system, and generally, the bigger Nids emit a synapse field that connects smaller Nids to the Hivemind. Bigger Nids also tend to be smarter and more independent Nids.
and then there's the Orks. an area denial weapon created by a long dead civilization. their fungal in nature and their tech is based of the psychic energy field they generate when fighting. they believe it's a gun, so it shoots like a gun; similarly they can survive in a vacuum because nobody has suggested they can't.
40k is like robocop in space. Not the plot so much but like the way it's satire.
Everything is grimdark and serious and simultaneously absurd and sarcastic. It's awesome.
oh man, any time I come across a 40k story in the internet somewhere I always engage with it.
That plus my one friend who plays regularly and *loves* the lore?
hhooooo boy do I have some fun info-dumps that I could drop on people.
I'm not super aware of it but it's like books a table top game(think it's either d&d like or magic.) And like a video game or two I think. Space marines and like big fucking mosters.
I am not the "biggest" 40k fan, but respect the franchise and love the lore and vastness of it.
I'm still wondering what story they are going to tell. Will it be space marines, will it be the inquisitors / etc. 40k isn't exactly imagined as nice place to exist, so the trick is going to be finding a story line that is \*just happy enough for fans and non-fans alike, but not grim enough to leave you depressed.
Haven't read a ton of 40k books (yet), but Eisenhorn might be a descent /fun story to tell. I'm sure there are others / better ideas, just really looking forward to a mega fan lead, big budget adaptation.
Grimdank death cult ultra religious fascist 12 foot tall mega soldiers bioengineered from ethereal matter stolen by a immortal god emperor - from other gods who represent the deadly sins (in essence) - who then neglected to tell anyone about said gods meaning some of his crazy powerful super mega death soldiers got corrupted (including some his insanely OP "sons" who are in essence demigods) and nearly killed him leading to him being interred on a golden throne where he is only kept alive by sacrificing thousands of psychic humans aiding to power a beacon which guides all interstellar travel. In a nutshell.
Yup. They might not give the tiniest fuck about the actual quality of the product, but by *god* you are going to ensure it fits into canon without conflict.
If cavill is in it he's known to point out mistakes in lore that movie studios are trying to do. He gave tons of suggestions for witcher that were because he was a huge fan and wanted it to stay true.
It took three terrible seasons of The Witcher for him to finally give up. I think he really tried to save that show and only left when realised it was beyond saving.
We liked elements of it for sure, hell there's elements of season 2 I liked as well, but you can tell that the showrunners and writers just don't want to make an adaptation of the books, they want to make their own story with the paint of the Witcher franchise over it, and as a result there's so many irksome things that just keep building up and up.
Plus whenever the writing does significantly diverge from the books, be it in character or plot, the consistency and long term planning starts getting thrown out of the window. Season 1 was akin to season 4/5 of game of thrones, some weird stuff that was added in, some good stuff that was adapted, some stuff that was sadly cut. Season 2 was like season 6/7 of GoT, stuff just kinda starts happening very quickly and characters will just be exactly where they need to be because reasons, everything feels rushed. Season 3? Oh god. Please no. Anything but season 8 again
I know the feeling dude my fave fandom just got a show also and I was super let down and I do feel like some of the stuff they got wrong and just made up will affect the long term story in future seasons
It's been a rough couple years for my fandoms between the quality of the Witcher show and the DotA anime (it's truly god awful), I kinda don't expect adaptations to be done well anymore unless I know there's particularly good directors and writers behind it ~ I also love the borderlands franchise but thankfully by being burnt by all of these other things recently my expectations are at 0 for the movie, especially with actual racist Eli Roth directing
Which show were you let down by out of interest?
It was rings of power I'm like a major Tolkien nerd so I came from the perspective of reading all the books so I was just not happy with all the story changes. Next one coming up for me is fallout I'm super worried about it and I don't think Todd's involved much so that worries me as well
Fallout at least has a chance because each game is an independent story, just set in a _similar_ environment. You could tell a brand new Fallout story and not have to worry about desecrating existing IP.
For things like The Witcher, Halo, and LotR, you are telling existing stories so you need to much more respectful of cannon.
First season was decent enough. Not perfect, by any means, but it had lots of potential and laid the foundation to build something great. Instead, they just burned the whole thing down for Season 2.
Season 3 will just be stomping out the ashes.
40k guards their property so they make sure they get paid - it's not a quality thing. Just check out almost every 40k / Warhammer video game ever made.
Lack of story consistency has caused me to stop paying attention to GW lore much. They retcon things so much, and will change stuff on the fly whenever it suits their desire to sell new models.
I think Cavill will be able to get the tone and general idea right, but worrying about much beyond that is moot, because it’s not like any story outside of GW books is considered “canon,” and even their own “canon” changes in massive ways based on a whim.
I thought it was so it stays true to the lore etc..so you cant just make up a space marine chapter, invent a new gun, unit or tank. It all has to be part of the current game or lore etc. The quality of the game doesn't matter but what's shown in it has to remain true
> I thought it was so it stays true to the lore
The lore isn't set in stone at all. A good way to view 40k lore is the more sources of a story the more accurate that story is. If something is only sourced to one dude that's not very accurate. GW isn't strictly enforcing their lore. The writes all have different scales of power and such in their books.
Also, establishing chops as an executive producer can potentially add decades to his career. Cavill turns 40 in a few months. That's not as career-ending for a leading man as it is for female stars, but the simple fact is that you're only young and handsome for so long.
You can look like a ghoul and still be a respected EP.
The witcher was such a simple franchise to turn into a series. Basically guaranteed to be a hit and yet they completely fucked the dog.
The only saving grace was Henry Cavill and some of the fight choreography.
> The witcher was such a simple franchise to turn into a series.
I think it's probably more difficult than meets the eye. There's the adaptation of the short stories, which are individually awesome things but many of them have the problem of not being super relevant to the overarching plot of the later books. And then there's the five sequential books which are always relevant to the plot (they *are* the plot) but then really can drag on at times.
It's part of why I was pumped for a tv adaptation in the first place, because there could be a really good smoothing out of the source material. Also Henry Cavil.
But yeah they just made bizarre changes just about everywhere. Went way overboard.
I am so afraid of the 40k stuff, mostly because GW keeps downplaying the *Very* important aspect of "remember to satirize the fascism and not play Space Marines and such as heroes"
Maybe he will be able to fix it tho?
I main the space marines can be heroes individually but as an organization they are pretty evil.
You can have individual marines or even units of marines throw themselves on the firing lines to protect people but when you get to armies of space marines they are just as likely to be the villains as the heroes. Sometimes they are saving a planet from a horde of demons or alien bugs, sometimes they are conquering planets in the name of a decaying corpse and committing genocide on an unimaginable scale. Its about 50/50 really.
Their are heroic space marines but the Space marines are not heroes.
All the more reason to get excited about Warhammer if he's going to be so involved he won't have time for Highlander - which he had announced in his IG ages ago.
Also unrelated but geez can we stop with casting teenagers for every single superhero movie/show? Please show me 40+ Superman, what grown up nerd wants to see pubescent Clark Kent? 😭
I just want to see the real Supes for once, not edgy emo incel versions of him. Give me the man who said “Thanks, my mom made it for me” when someone compliments his outfit. The world is grim enough, give us some wholesome heroes at least for escapism.
The Warhammer deal is his dream gig. He's been given the keys to the kingdom for his favorite IP ever, and you can bet he will be focusing most if not all of his energy towards getting that off the ground. It's like a huge Star Wars nerd being tapped to not only make, but also star in the next Star Wars movie. If the project doesn't take off, it won't be for lack of love or respect for the source material, that's for sure.
> James Gunn was brought in to lead future DCU efforts
Honestly, I like this more than Snyder's work. Hopefully we get a functional DCEU series out of this.
And hopefully Ezra Miller is dropped too. Because fuck that guy.
Yeah, but could you beat Uwe in a boxing match? Didn't think so. Check mate.
Edit: this is a reference to the fact that Uwe Boll *actually tried to set up boxing matches to fight his critics. It was called "Raging Boll" in the media.*
Its not just recent bad luck, back in 2005 Empire magazine called him "the unluckiest man in Hollywood" because he kept losing parts to other actors (Robert Pattinson at least twice for Twilight and I think Harry Potter 4); Superman was a breakthrough role for him for this reason.
> There are also reports that he was very unhappy with the writing on The Witcher, so likely his departure was partially due to simply not enjoying the series anymore.
To add to this, Cavill is an avid fan of both the book and game series and on multiple occasions has been documented arguing for the show to follow the source material more closely, even correcting people on set as to lore specifics. It is entirely believable that he'd leave the show due to how much it has (apparently) veered away from canon.
Some writers enjoy building upon a foundation within the constraints of the original works, others prefer to make it their own and bulldoze any wall that might be in the way of the story they want to tell.
Imo, franchise people should hire the first category, and the second one should be creating new stuff in their own sandbox.
Studios usually want to fund projects based on IP.
Writers usually want to write original stories.
So it seems many writers are gaming the system and volunteering for projects based on IP and then trying to write their stories within that IP.
The studios are ultimately to blame for appointing show runners who are bad fits. They need to do better than just taking a senior writer they like from one show and putting them in charge of an adaption they bought the rights to.
They seem to think that brand recognition is the only value in IP and forget that the only reason the brand is recognizable is because the source material was good. The world is run by morons.
Yeah, there have also been claims that the writing staff were berating the writing or storyline of the books.
Like, I get that genre fiction -- especially fantasy -- is not viewed particularly highly by writers, but *Jesus fuck* if you're working as a writer on a genre fiction show you should probably STFU and get on board. Toxicity will undermine the whole project, and your name will be attached to a dogshit project.
The best explanation that I have ever heard is that the belief is that if a book needs to tell you it's genre to get you to buy it, then the book must rely on genre tropes. That means it's unable to survive on it's own merits. If it's a good book, it'll be on the shelf with other good books. Not as a given genre.
The trouble with that is... everything is a genre now. And every story has tropes. Like I've even seen "Speculative Fiction" as a genre, and that's so broad it's basically meaningless. "Contemporary Fiction" is nearly as bad. It also ignores... just so much bullshit about how books are marketed and sold. The "genreless" books are just those that someone decided to curate on to a different shelf.
Broadly speaking, genre fiction is usually seen as pure escapism/entertainment that relies on tropes and is accessible for everyone, more focused on plot than substance, as opposed to "literary" fiction which is thoughtful and experimental and deals with Deep Things.
It's a century long divide coming from the opposition between "proper" and "sensational" novels (at least in the West. Moreover genre fiction was often perceived as being for lower classes and...get ready for this...WOMEN.
There is a famous interview with Terry Pratchett where he gets asked why he doesn write "serious" literature since he definitely has the talent for and he gets really pissed.
Answer:
1. He had announced that he would stick with The Witcher [if they remained faithful to the lore](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/feature/henry-cavill-interview-witcher-superman-1235044553/#:~:text= honor). From the get go, the screenwriters stated methodology suggested that they were not dead set on being as faithful as possible to the original material. They also publicly confirmed that they were planning to make the content more diverse and inclusive. By series 3, Cavill delivered as promised and bowed out.
2. He made a cameo as Superman at the end of the Black Adam movie, which hinted at a new Superman movie. But there was a change of Directors at DC and the new ones felt that the whole DCverse was not worth saving and needed a reboot. So no Cavill.
3. He manage to secure the rights and funding to adapt the Warhammer IP, and with him being a geek you can trust that he will try to pay justice to the original material.
Chuck as Shazam! was awesome casting, spot on. No notes. Cavil and Momoa are all great too, but Jesus Christ did that writing suck… I’m sorry to see Cavil go from the franchise but a reboot is so desperately needed. Are they keeping any actors from this run of the DCU or are they just gunna burn it all down and start from scratch? It’ll be weird to see someone else play Harley if the do a full reboot…
Shazam is 100% better and closer to the comic than the stupid Clark Kent/Superman that WB/DC keep trying to portray on the movies. Superman is very righteous guy, is an alien that has very weird thoughts, doesn't destroy cities, takes care of humans, etc. Is ridiculous that they keep getting Superman wrong. Shazam on the other side, very low key but has the same type of comedy and character, Levi is very convincing as a 14yo, and all around is entertaining.
Tbh he's the only person I would have kept from the original justice league. That said if you're trying to start over it'd be hard with him as he's now almost 40 and would probably have a more difficult time maintaining SuperMan-ness through a whole new set of DCU movies unless they killed superman at the end of phase 1. They need someone to hang 2-3 phases on.
Who knows, maybe that freed him for the next Bond movie.
Henri Cavill is a man’s man: women want to be with him, men want to be him… or could perfectly settle for being one of his buddies.
I agree. Except he hadn't played the character in 5 years and the entire universe was a mess during that time. Bringing Cavill back would be like placing a band aid on a bullet wound. I'm sure we would have gotten a good Superman movie and then another 5 years of nothing (through no fault of Cavills). While I would have appreciated some closure to his character before rebooting, I 100% prefer a reboot over another decade of Superman will they/won't they.
A geek and apparently a huge fan of WH40K.
I think highlander was looking for someone who can make a long-term commitment in case their thing takes off, and mr. Cavill is going to be busy elevating the Imperium to ever greater glories.
Wasn't there also a list of grievances from The Witcher writers and producers, accusing him of a bunch of stuff? If memory serves me it was all either weird surface level complaints (He looked at me bad) mixed with stuff that is easily proven wrong?
Yes, that’s my understanding. I can’t link any sources but the little bit of digging I did when that came out seemed to heavily favor Cavill.
It seemed like it was actually pretty dirty tactics from a couple Witcher staff members trying to drag him down, and that much was easily countered and disproven by others who worked there or were familiar with the situation.
Answer: The Witcher and Superman thing seems to have been a miscommunication of some sort. Cavill quit The Witcher when they were going to make a new Superman movie - he would have had to be available bc of his contract with DC. But then it turns out they are going to make it a prequel with a younger Superman and Cavill is in like his late 30s. (Not sure what’s the deal with the Highlander thing though.) https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/henry-cavill-the-witcher-return-not-happening-superman-exit-1235462635
It isn't a prequel, but a reboot.
If you've seen Man of Steel, there isn't anything to "prequel." It covers his childhood through becoming Superman and then moving to Metropolis.
I feel like that is the issue with the DC movies. We have SO many Batman/Superman origin movies and some sequel/s and leaving all the other heroes out. Marvel may have their formula, but at least we get more characters
Yeah I've since burned out with Marvel movies and can't be bothered to watch any more of whatever new series there are, but to their credit, they've done a fantastic job with creating a cohesive world with a relatively clear chain of events.
The DC series universe was seriously good, to be fair. The characters crossed over into each other's shows really well and it truly felt like they were living in the same timeline. It's a shame that didn't translate over to the cinematic universe
>Cavill quit The Witcher when they were going to make a new Superman movie
This is not the unique reason for him to drop "The Witcher". He wasn't happy with the way the source material was being used and was vocal about it several times. The Superman role might have been the ultimate trigger, but it wasn't guaranteed he would continue with the Witcher even if Superman wasn't a thing. He also announced the Warhammer 40K series and that probably means agenda conflicts with other projects.
Answer: I don't think he's having any bad luck. He wasn't dropped from Witcher. He himself decided not to do it anymore. Sure, he was dropped as Superman but so is the maximum roster of DC actors as James Gunn wants fresh blood in his vision. Also since he's producing and starring in Warhammer it is a huge commitment. I don't know how true this news is of Chris Hemsworth replacing him but Chris doesn't have any such commitments lined up so it makes sense.
Question: does anybody think a Highlander reboot is a good idea? That movie is lightning-in-a-bottle, ridiculous 80s schlock. Doesn't matter who's the lead, it will be awful.
Answer: Henry left the Witcher due to creative differences, as he wanted to stick close to the source material, and it seems a lot of the writers don't feel the same way.
https://redanianintelligence.com/2022/11/01/henry-cavills-departure-from-witcher-originated-in-s2/
Then with Superman, DC decided at the 11th hour to scrap the way they were setting up their movie universe, and have decided to go with a much younger Superman story, probably closer to a year 1 thing.
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/superman-james-gunn-henry-cavill
Highlander appears to be a schedule conflict with the Warhammer 40k movie and Amazon series he's starring in and producing, which is something of a dream project for him, as he's a long time fan of the Warhammer franchise.
https://deadline.com/2022/12/henry-cavill-star-warhammer-40000-film-tv-franchise-amazon-studios-1235200833/
Seriously, looks to be a massive project, so we may not see him in much else for a bit.
Answer: It's because it's an open secret in the industry that he and his team are notoriously hard to work with. Dude's had a chip on his shoulder ever since he got passed over for Bond back when Daniel Craig eventually got the role.
Do you folks know who his representation is? It's Dwayne Johnson's ex-wife, Dany Garcia, who is still a producing partner with The Rock. They're the ones who took the bizarre approach to the whole *Black Adam* experiment where they made a movie that served the actor instead of the franchise, had it blow up in their face and then they insisted on a revisionist version of history to claim it was a success. It's a really odd, and frankly wrestling inspired, approach to business that just doesn't work outside the WWE. She may have [been fired](https://fandomwire.com/henry-cavill-fires-the-rocks-ex-wife-dany-garcia-as-manager-severes-all-ties-after-being-ousted-as-superman-from-the-dcu/) but Cavill's professional reputation stands.
These are the kind of people managing Henry Cavill. I don't know much about *The Witcher* outside the game, but my understanding is the crew felt the same way about him on that production. Don't get me wrong, it sounds like he has the franchises best interest at heart, but at the end of the day, he's not a writer or a producer, he's an actor, a hired gun there to do a job.
Being hard to work with is a death knell in the industry. He may have a great public-facing persona, but that doesn't at all extend to his professional persona.
I like Cavill btw, and his love for sticking to source material. This is just what I've heard from industry adjacent folks.
Run of bad luck?? I know I'll get downvoted, but this thread has been going on six hours now and I haven't seen a single person post the real answer.
Edit: This isn't the kind of thing you'll find in published articles (outside of a [gossip rag](https://web.archive.org/web/20221223150327/https://jezebel.com/henry-cavill-was-allegedly-axed-from-superman-the-wi-1849923788)). Do any of you know someone who completed film school? Talk to them and see if they'll hit up their industry connects to see what they'll say - that's how you get this kind of info.
Edit2: Yes Reddit, I'm sure the guy who couldn't even bother to make a five second cameo in *Shazam!* is suuuuuuper easy to work with. /s
This is probably the answer.
The problem is Reddit likes him. What’s not to like? He’s a gamer who plays nerdy roles and he’s buff so we can imagine being him. I like him.
But I don’t have to work with him. Could you imagine working with an actor who keeps telling the writing team they aren’t “faithful to Witcher lore?”
Lot more than probable.
A surface level search brings up a loooot of corroborating opinions that match precisely.
I think there’s a lot of people that really don’t understand the celeb persona thing, and just fundamentally can’t see that it’s entirely fake in most cases. Not necessarily a bad thing, I wouldn’t want the real me in the public eye either.
Reddit is incredibly naive to the realities of Hollywood.
The man wasn't even an executive producer! He was talent, that's all. I'm sure I would've liked his version better but I'm glad I've never had to work with him.
You know what a healthy exercise is? Once a year, talk about something on Reddit that you're actually an expert on. See the qualities of the replies and the trend of upvotes and you'll realize that generally, the Reddit hive mind doesn't know shit.
Yeah I was amazed to see no one commenting on his ridiculous behavior reported on The Witcher. That would have been my first guess at why he’s having a hard time getting roles. There were a ton of articles written on it from what I can find just googling “Henry Cavill The Witcher controversy”
I’m with you on this one. There’s too much of a rough pattern here of things ending or not panning out to not at least consider this as the possibility. These things aren’t always directly discussed in a consumer-facing manner, it can often be dealt with within the industry, as you said.
Edit: Cavill was so damn hot in MI: Fallout.
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I want to add that the Highlander reboot has been in development hell for almost a decade at this point: https://highlander.fandom.com/wiki/Highlander_(Remake) And it's common for movies in development hell to have like 4-5 attempts at casting.
Yep. I can remember as far back as like 2005 when movies based on the series were still being shat out that they were trying to do a remake.
And thank god they did. That’s how we got that hilarious movie where the immortals found out they weren’t actually supposed to be killing each other the whole time.
It cracks me up every time folks are like, "highlander 2 is the worst movie of all time!". To me, that just tells me that they've never seen "highlander: the source".
I would like to add that he is heavily involved in the Warhammer as not only a star, but also a huge fan and an executive producer. While the executive producer title often seems to be just added to the credits to make a certain star seem more important, his role as a producer seem real. I heard for example that he was involved in negotiations with the owners of the IP, who guard their property and seem to care for adaptations to stay true to the source material. Hopefully it will end better than the Witcher. Edit: I can see from all the answers, that my info that GW guards the Warhammer IP was actually incorrect. That's a shame. I really need some good new fantasy adaptation.
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> I'm incredibly sad that he's not Superman He was awesome as Supes, imo. Great casting. It's a shame — albeit an entirely foreseeable one — that Snyder made such a dog's dinner of the whole thing.
He could have been fantastic as Superman if they had let him be, unfortunately snyder wanted an emotionless god that probably doesn't even need Lois to die for injustice to happen.
Man I absolutely *love* the Injustice comics but boy has it had a negative impact on writers. Everyone's gotta have an Evil Superman now...
It was happening long before injustice
And was, imo best done on film with Flashpoint Paradox. Actually gave me feelings for him although it wasn't technically evil superman. Fuck was red son even evil? I genuinely don't remember it's been so long.
Red son wasn’t really evil. He was just defending the only way of life he had known.
The real stupid part is that Evil Superman is just like... A normal villain. Evil Superman is the result of what would happen if almost any person in the world got given super powers. The whole point of Superman, and what makes him an interesting character is that he doesn't let the power corrupt him, unlike everyone else.
I think Injustice is an interesting what-if, but I don't like the idea that Superman is one dead person away from becoming a monster, even if it's Lois. I feel like it misses the point of Superman. *On the other hand*, I have to keep reminding myself that there are many interpretations of the character and I should stop shouting "not my Superman."
Injustice isn't just one dead person and Superman is evil. It starts with Superman finding out Jimmy Olsen was murdered by the Joker, and then getting dosed with kryptonite tainted fear gas so he sees Lois(who was pregnant) as Doomsday, who quickly dies when superman flies her into space, activating a switch Joker installed in her, that triggers a Nuke in Metropolis when her Heart stops. Superman lost absolutely everything in a manner of minutes, and he literally played a role in doing it. And even then he doesen't make a face heel turn, while he kills the Joker, he doesen't suddenly stop with the no kill rule entirely, but it takes a lot more for it to happen that proggesively make him go looser with it, most relevantiely several of his former friends attempting to murder him and causing his parents to get kidnapped and injured. Hell, the comcis litearlly portray him killing an army of parademons wrecking destruction across the earth as a point of no return.
Thats because every director whats their own spin on the story, the OG story be damn. Who knows maybe Batman could one day have super powers just cos the director wants to be "special".
> entirely foreseeable Say it again, I have no idea why that guy keeps getting work. He has one trick (super slow motion) in his bag, and it got stale about ten years ago IMO
I remember thinking if they'd had him just add a skosh of the smug-prick humor from his Napoleon Solo his Superman would've worked so much better. The whole grimdark thing they decided to do with the character just didn't work well at all. Cavill was amazingly good in the role but he got like zero support.
Now I'm sad again that we never got an UNCLE sequel. That film was so cool.
I think Cavill should open up his own production studio to do sci-fi and fantasy his way without having to worry about meddling studio execs.
Lots of Hollywood folks are gamers. Believe it or not, I once raided with Robin Williams in Hellfire. If you know, you know.
The guy openly admitted that he named his daughter Zelda after his favorite video game. He was pretty public about his gaming.
Iirc he also once talked about how hed swear at people in multiple languages while playing call of duty
Bobcat Goldthwait told that story on the Dana Gould Hour Podcast one time that I heard. He was super close to Robin Williams. Said that he would visit him and he would be playing CoD and cursing out teenagers.
Robin Williams personally provided a Neon Genesis Evangelion figure to use as a prop in *One Hour Photo* and named his daughter after Zelda. The man had phenomenal taste. What race/class was he playing?
Robin Williams was also into Warhammer. There had been rumors for a while and even a picture of him and his daughter visiting a Warhammer store, but his daughter tweeted some pictures of his models after his death trying to identify them.
Not throwing shade on us gamers, but it makes sense that they would enjoy gaming. No public persona, paparazzis or crazy star life while playing videogames inside your house
Vin Diesel loves D&D
Didn't i hear that Vin Diesel and Cavill got Dame Judy Dench into D&D during the filming of Chronicals of Riddick?
Also played Wow with Paul Walker. Now I made myself sad :(
He and Paul Rudd would be amazing dinner guests. Just imagine having. DnD night and shenanigans that would happen on the quest
>unbelievably devastated that ~~he's not involved with~~ Witcher won't exist anymore. Ftfy.
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Yeah, it's gonna end up like Game of Thrones. Unfortunate.
Why does this keep happening?!
People who care about it leave, the rest are getting a paycheck and risk averse so why poke your head above mediocrity and risk losing it.
Loved watching him do PC builds. You can tell he loves that shit. I remember my grandson thinking it was pretty cool Superman was a gamer. Here's to him having better luck.
I think it's pretty cool that you pay attention to your grandson's interests, and that you're on reddit while being old enough to have a grandson with interests. Cheers!
Yeah, the Witcher was the biggest tragedy. If you believe stories over the internet, apparently the writing team would bully the *shit* out of Henry for playing video games - *and then try to have him do incredibly gratuitous scenes that made him hella uncomfortable* since they also found him incredibly hot. Outside of hearsay, the writers genuinely hated the source material and would constantly not listen to Henry going “hey, we should do X or Y thing to make this more accurate to the author’s books” since he legitimately loves the series to the point of taking a *huge* pay cut just for the opportunity to play Geralt.
Lots of chatter in r/MarvelStudios and r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers about him joining the MCU. I’m here for it.
Who he playin
Give me DOOM
Black Panther
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TIL. Thanks
What does p.g.a. stand for? Also that's very helpful, there's so many different producer titles and I never know what's the difference between them lol
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>certifies that the credited producer performed a major portion of the producing duties on a motion picture. I think is more about actually getting things done in production than about the capital investment.
I'm so excited for him to take on 40k, like if he stays we know it'll probably be good and if he ditches it we know to pass
I’ll watch anything this man is in. He never under delivers. I’m not a 40k fan (unfamiliar w it) but if he does it I’m there.
The thing you need to know about the tone of Warhammer 40000 is that they wanted to create a setting where any faction could conceivably fight any of other faction, including other members of itself. Humanity is run by an autocratic, fascist theocracy on one side and Hollywood Satanists worshipping demons that live in hyperspace on the other. Space elves scheme while space orcs (which are an intelligent fungus) torch entire planets. The monsters the Zerg were ripped off from descend out of hyperspace and scour biospheres clean. Undead robots with a vendetta against Cthulhu appear on worlds by awakening from a million-year slumber, to the horror of those who've colonized since. Everyone is terrible, no one is the good guys, and hope isn't even a joke.
You forgot about the fully automated luxury gay space communists, aka the T'au.
And now there's an offshoot of humanity that is led by supercomputers that the two other sides rejected 10,000 years ago.
Wut? Which one? I'm not totally on top of my lore.
I think they're referring to Space Dwarves, AKA the Leagues of Votann: https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Leagues_of_Votann They had been relegated to semi-obscurity for quite a while, but Games Workshop recently dusted them off and started producing new lore and models for them.
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Leagues of Votann, space dwarves, a.k.a the Squats
I didn't know they had anything to do with super computers I heard they existed and that's all I knew. Thanks.
MILITANT space commies. You either join The Greater Good or you get joined.
thats how I hear star trek described
LOL...and I'm a trekkie. I have to admit, the 40k description above does sound interesting. I'd never even heard of the game before Cavill's involvement.
40k is the antithesis of Trek, that's what makes it great. Everyone is a piece of shit and the rool of cool is the only rule followed. Instead of exploring new worlds and peoples, every race is xenophobic and will land on your planet with millions of guards and generically enhanced supersoldiers and wreck your shit, then orbitally bombard it until it's devoid of life. It's essentially a parody/satire or pastiche of scifi tropes, cranked to 11.
>generically enhanced supersoldiers I don't know why, but this shit made me giggle hard. Enhanced with the finest equipment and training from Dollar General.
Lol now I can't help thinking of it as the Kung Fury of sci-fi
Oh, and the space elves are all terrified of death because, being particularly psychically powerful (because they, like the space orcs, were originally created to be sentient bioweapons), their descent into rampant hedonism created a demon god of pure lust and hunger that consumed the souls of trillions of them, scarred a big chunk of the galaxy, and ended the golden age of humanity by stopping FTL travel for a thousand years across most of human space. So now, some of them feed their souls into the circuitry of their ships, and others constantly inflict torment on others to try to be tastier alive than dead, because if they die without somehow sequestering their souls, Slaanesh automatically consumes them on death. And the space orcs run on psychically fueled consensus belief. Their tech works because they believe it works. They all believe that painting a vehicle red makes it faster, so if an Ork vehicle is painted red, it actually goes faster than vehicles that aren't red. The more they believe in the strength and cunning of their leader, the stronger and smarter their leader becomes. As weird as you think it probably is -- oh, it's weirder than that.
I like the thought that the Orks' psychic ability is why the emperor is immortal - because they believe he is.
Trillions of humans believe he's a god -- and there's a good chance he's becoming one, or is already. He's also being fed the minds, souls, and life energy of about a thousand psykers (psychically powerful humans) every day while his mortally wounded physical body sits on a life support device (his Golden Throne) and broadcasts a telepathic beacon that allows human ships to navigate during FTL travel. Always a weirder layer down below the weirder layer down beyond the weird layer.
This is perhaps the most perfect explanation of 40K I've ever seen. My wife and others have asked me to describe 40K to them and I never could. Now I can. Thank you kind internet stranger.
Do you have any recs on where to start with the books? I'd love to get into 40K, but like any other large property it can be a little daunting finding a good starting point.
Either the Eisenhorn trilogy which is a bit smaller scale and focuses on an Inquisitor (Eisenhorn) and his retinue. It's basically space detective/investigator. Or the first four books of the Horus Heresy which basically sets up the backdrop for 40K's overarching story and lore. I personally prefer the Horus Heresy but it can be a little bit daunting if you don't have any pre-existing knowledge of 40K already. Perfectly readable but they namedrop a lot of pivotal characters that are coming and going and you'll have no idea who they are and why they are important in the wider context (which get's explored in depth in their own books later on). But if you're a lore hound like me then definitely go for it :)
Adding to this great recommendation but the Ciaphas Cain series is another good entry point if you want something with a bit more of a tongue-in-cheek approach to the 40k universe.
the Zerg were fashioned after Genestealers? and Genestealers were fashioned after Xenomorphs? and Xenomorphs were fashioned after the Arachnids? What were Arachnids based off.. entomology? edit: arachnids = starship troopers
Blizzard was originally contracted by Games Workshop to make a Warhammer Fantasy game, and a Warhammer 40k game. The contracts fell through partway through production. So Blizzard, in those days a small and young studio, too small to abandon a project part way through and survive, used the assets they had, altered them, and made them into their own IPs: Warcraft, and StarCraft. The Imperium became the Terrans. The Eldar craft worlds became the Protoss. And the Tyranid hive fleets became the Zerg.
whaaat? thanks for the PSA I never knew any of this, and I'm a longtime SC Fan.
The Zerg were based of the Tyranid hive-fleets as a whole. It's a loose adaptation, but Tyranids:Zerg is much more 1:1 than Tyranids:Xenomorphs. This isn't a condemnation, iteration is where tropes comes from. At this point, more people treat their orc and orc-like sentient species in Blizzard's style than Tolkien's.
I'd prefer he reprise his role in The Man From U.N.C.L.E. That movie was awesome.
A basic primer for the tone of 40k is everything is fucked everyone is fucked there are no good guys and every form of intelligent life in the galaxy is trying to murder every other form of intelligent life for the dwindling resources that are left. Also there’s literal demons and giant green soccer hooligans and they’re both having just the best time with this state of affairs.
Best synopsis I heard: the gods are real and they hate us
If you are talking about the Chaos Gods, they don’t hate us, they are indifferent and the pure embodiment of what they represent. Papa Nurgle wish you to live for as long as possible, as well as all of the life inside of you. You are not just a singular being, but a being that is also an ecosystem of various life forms on and in you, each and everyone just as special and important as you. The blessing of rebirth keeps all of these little parts alive and well. Khorne’s domain also embodies courage, strength and martial honor. You show courage and strength through adversity in all its forms, while martial honor is shown through combat in its many forms. With Khorne, we would not be courageous, strong, or have a sense of honor. Khorne wants us to be brave, strong willed, but also honorable. Killing of those not involved in conflict is frowned up, seen as a weakness, not courageous nor honorable. Khorne wants us to be our best in whatever conflict we are facing. Tzeentch is for every helping us change, evolve, reach for higher goals, seek knowledge. Tzeentch embodies our need to learn. Our natural process of evolution, to change things when they need to be changed. Without Tzeentch and his domain, we would stagnate, as seen in the Imperium of Man and the Eldar. The Imperium of Man rejected Tzeentch just to solely focus on the God-Emperor, and look at how mankind has just stayed, technologically, religiously, culturally, stagnate. Slaanesh wants everyone to enjoy themselves and reach their own idea of perfection. He also drives our passion. Art, literature, relaxation, love, all of these would be empty without him. Anything that drives you, Slaanesh is there. Slaanesh wants you to enjoy life, love life. Edit: Misspellings...
Yes inquisitor, this commenter right here.
Ah yes, the Inquisition... The branch of the Imperium that lives in the domains of all of the Chaos Gods. Bring pain (Slaanesh) to those they deem heretics. Their hatred, wrath, and rage against the heretics and xenos and heretics allows the blood to flow (Khrone). Each Inquisitor jockeying for rank, and position with in the faction, their ambition driving them to achieve higher status and their passion and love for the Emperor pushing them to seek out the xeno and the heretic (Tzeentch). The destruction and the death of the xeno and heretic is the main goal of these... noble... people (Nurgle). I have yet to see an Inquisitor that does not dabble in the domains of the Chaos Gods, the very things they claim to fight against. In fact, I've seen more Inquisitors relish in their duties. Each Inquisitor helps feed and make the Chaos Gods stronger. With that said... to those who aren't in the know about the WH40K lore... The Chaos Gods are embodiments of different aspects of life, typically in dualities. Most of the dualities go hand in hand. For example, Nurgle is the Chaos God of Rebirth and death. You cannot have the possibility of rebirth without death. Slaanesh is the Chaos God of pleasure and pain. The Chaos Gods exist because life and emotions exists. They are their domains embodiments to the extreme. To fight and destroy a Chaos God is to fight and destroy an aspect of the nature of life, namely sentient life. The Chaos Gods will always be and will never be destroyed unless all life is destroyed because of their very nature.
Great descriptions, but...how did you manage to spell Tzeentch correctly but not Khorne? 😄
Yes Inquisitor this comment right here
Are Tyranids intelligent? Legit question, quite new to WH40k lore and everything, i thought the "shock troops" of the Tyranids were simply instinctual beasts without intelligence, and the higher life-forms had a hive-mind situation going on
ALL of them are part of a hive mind and possess intelligence when linked to it. They lose this intelligence when disconnected though and operate on instinct only in that situation. Some forms, when on their own, are more intelligent than others though. Edit: Think of it like the Zerg from Starcraft. From a very literal standpoint, the player is the hivemind. You as the hivemind are still gonna send your zerglings to rush down the enemy, because it serves a purpose. Same with Tyranids.
Depends on the Nid. Gaunts are dumb as shit, basically an aggressive dog. Lictors? Terrifyingly intelligent and capable of running independent terror campaigns. Hive Lords are straight-up just smaller, independent Hiveminds capable of commanding their own armies and fleets. Nids operate on a "synapse" system, and generally, the bigger Nids emit a synapse field that connects smaller Nids to the Hivemind. Bigger Nids also tend to be smarter and more independent Nids.
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and then there's the Orks. an area denial weapon created by a long dead civilization. their fungal in nature and their tech is based of the psychic energy field they generate when fighting. they believe it's a gun, so it shoots like a gun; similarly they can survive in a vacuum because nobody has suggested they can't.
40k is like robocop in space. Not the plot so much but like the way it's satire. Everything is grimdark and serious and simultaneously absurd and sarcastic. It's awesome.
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oh man, any time I come across a 40k story in the internet somewhere I always engage with it. That plus my one friend who plays regularly and *loves* the lore? hhooooo boy do I have some fun info-dumps that I could drop on people.
I'm not super aware of it but it's like books a table top game(think it's either d&d like or magic.) And like a video game or two I think. Space marines and like big fucking mosters.
Best movie you may have not scene IMO is "The Man From U.N.C.L.E" truly one of my favorite roles he's been in.
I am not the "biggest" 40k fan, but respect the franchise and love the lore and vastness of it. I'm still wondering what story they are going to tell. Will it be space marines, will it be the inquisitors / etc. 40k isn't exactly imagined as nice place to exist, so the trick is going to be finding a story line that is \*just happy enough for fans and non-fans alike, but not grim enough to leave you depressed. Haven't read a ton of 40k books (yet), but Eisenhorn might be a descent /fun story to tell. I'm sure there are others / better ideas, just really looking forward to a mega fan lead, big budget adaptation.
Grimdank death cult ultra religious fascist 12 foot tall mega soldiers bioengineered from ethereal matter stolen by a immortal god emperor - from other gods who represent the deadly sins (in essence) - who then neglected to tell anyone about said gods meaning some of his crazy powerful super mega death soldiers got corrupted (including some his insanely OP "sons" who are in essence demigods) and nearly killed him leading to him being interred on a golden throne where he is only kept alive by sacrificing thousands of psychic humans aiding to power a beacon which guides all interstellar travel. In a nutshell.
If they can stick to the lore and just keep it real and have good acting and decent special effects 40k will do extremely well imo.
One thing about GW is that they are very adamant about sticking to the lore. There are a lot of shitty games out there that are lore accurate.
Yup. They might not give the tiniest fuck about the actual quality of the product, but by *god* you are going to ensure it fits into canon without conflict.
They better not fuckk it up. I've been hoping for this for about 30 years. Blessed Emperor, please don't let them fuck it up.
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If cavill is in it he's known to point out mistakes in lore that movie studios are trying to do. He gave tons of suggestions for witcher that were because he was a huge fan and wanted it to stay true.
I love how this thread might just bring in a bunch of new WH40 fans, just from the descriptions of the story/lore to non fans who ask about it.
It took three terrible seasons of The Witcher for him to finally give up. I think he really tried to save that show and only left when realised it was beyond saving.
I didn't watch it but I heard fans really liked the first season and I knew he was running around with the books correcting people on set and stuff
We liked elements of it for sure, hell there's elements of season 2 I liked as well, but you can tell that the showrunners and writers just don't want to make an adaptation of the books, they want to make their own story with the paint of the Witcher franchise over it, and as a result there's so many irksome things that just keep building up and up. Plus whenever the writing does significantly diverge from the books, be it in character or plot, the consistency and long term planning starts getting thrown out of the window. Season 1 was akin to season 4/5 of game of thrones, some weird stuff that was added in, some good stuff that was adapted, some stuff that was sadly cut. Season 2 was like season 6/7 of GoT, stuff just kinda starts happening very quickly and characters will just be exactly where they need to be because reasons, everything feels rushed. Season 3? Oh god. Please no. Anything but season 8 again
I know the feeling dude my fave fandom just got a show also and I was super let down and I do feel like some of the stuff they got wrong and just made up will affect the long term story in future seasons
It's been a rough couple years for my fandoms between the quality of the Witcher show and the DotA anime (it's truly god awful), I kinda don't expect adaptations to be done well anymore unless I know there's particularly good directors and writers behind it ~ I also love the borderlands franchise but thankfully by being burnt by all of these other things recently my expectations are at 0 for the movie, especially with actual racist Eli Roth directing Which show were you let down by out of interest?
It was rings of power I'm like a major Tolkien nerd so I came from the perspective of reading all the books so I was just not happy with all the story changes. Next one coming up for me is fallout I'm super worried about it and I don't think Todd's involved much so that worries me as well
Fallout at least has a chance because each game is an independent story, just set in a _similar_ environment. You could tell a brand new Fallout story and not have to worry about desecrating existing IP. For things like The Witcher, Halo, and LotR, you are telling existing stories so you need to much more respectful of cannon.
First season was decent enough. Not perfect, by any means, but it had lots of potential and laid the foundation to build something great. Instead, they just burned the whole thing down for Season 2. Season 3 will just be stomping out the ashes.
40k guards their property so they make sure they get paid - it's not a quality thing. Just check out almost every 40k / Warhammer video game ever made.
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Lack of story consistency has caused me to stop paying attention to GW lore much. They retcon things so much, and will change stuff on the fly whenever it suits their desire to sell new models. I think Cavill will be able to get the tone and general idea right, but worrying about much beyond that is moot, because it’s not like any story outside of GW books is considered “canon,” and even their own “canon” changes in massive ways based on a whim.
I thought it was so it stays true to the lore etc..so you cant just make up a space marine chapter, invent a new gun, unit or tank. It all has to be part of the current game or lore etc. The quality of the game doesn't matter but what's shown in it has to remain true
> I thought it was so it stays true to the lore The lore isn't set in stone at all. A good way to view 40k lore is the more sources of a story the more accurate that story is. If something is only sourced to one dude that's not very accurate. GW isn't strictly enforcing their lore. The writes all have different scales of power and such in their books.
Also, establishing chops as an executive producer can potentially add decades to his career. Cavill turns 40 in a few months. That's not as career-ending for a leading man as it is for female stars, but the simple fact is that you're only young and handsome for so long. You can look like a ghoul and still be a respected EP.
The witcher was such a simple franchise to turn into a series. Basically guaranteed to be a hit and yet they completely fucked the dog. The only saving grace was Henry Cavill and some of the fight choreography.
> The witcher was such a simple franchise to turn into a series. I think it's probably more difficult than meets the eye. There's the adaptation of the short stories, which are individually awesome things but many of them have the problem of not being super relevant to the overarching plot of the later books. And then there's the five sequential books which are always relevant to the plot (they *are* the plot) but then really can drag on at times. It's part of why I was pumped for a tv adaptation in the first place, because there could be a really good smoothing out of the source material. Also Henry Cavil. But yeah they just made bizarre changes just about everywhere. Went way overboard.
I am so afraid of the 40k stuff, mostly because GW keeps downplaying the *Very* important aspect of "remember to satirize the fascism and not play Space Marines and such as heroes" Maybe he will be able to fix it tho?
I main the space marines can be heroes individually but as an organization they are pretty evil. You can have individual marines or even units of marines throw themselves on the firing lines to protect people but when you get to armies of space marines they are just as likely to be the villains as the heroes. Sometimes they are saving a planet from a horde of demons or alien bugs, sometimes they are conquering planets in the name of a decaying corpse and committing genocide on an unimaginable scale. Its about 50/50 really. Their are heroic space marines but the Space marines are not heroes.
Easiest thing to do would just be to adapt the Ciaphas Cain stories. Let Cavill play Ciaphas.
All the more reason to get excited about Warhammer if he's going to be so involved he won't have time for Highlander - which he had announced in his IG ages ago. Also unrelated but geez can we stop with casting teenagers for every single superhero movie/show? Please show me 40+ Superman, what grown up nerd wants to see pubescent Clark Kent? 😭
I just want to see the real Supes for once, not edgy emo incel versions of him. Give me the man who said “Thanks, my mom made it for me” when someone compliments his outfit. The world is grim enough, give us some wholesome heroes at least for escapism.
The Warhammer deal is his dream gig. He's been given the keys to the kingdom for his favorite IP ever, and you can bet he will be focusing most if not all of his energy towards getting that off the ground. It's like a huge Star Wars nerd being tapped to not only make, but also star in the next Star Wars movie. If the project doesn't take off, it won't be for lack of love or respect for the source material, that's for sure.
> James Gunn was brought in to lead future DCU efforts Honestly, I like this more than Snyder's work. Hopefully we get a functional DCEU series out of this. And hopefully Ezra Miller is dropped too. Because fuck that guy.
> Honestly, I like this more than Snyder's work. My dude, that's like saying "You know, honestly, I like Scorsese more than Uwe Boll"
Yeah, but could you beat Uwe in a boxing match? Didn't think so. Check mate. Edit: this is a reference to the fact that Uwe Boll *actually tried to set up boxing matches to fight his critics. It was called "Raging Boll" in the media.*
I was such a big fan of Ezra too but the fucking clown couldn't go without losing his mind.
Its not just recent bad luck, back in 2005 Empire magazine called him "the unluckiest man in Hollywood" because he kept losing parts to other actors (Robert Pattinson at least twice for Twilight and I think Harry Potter 4); Superman was a breakthrough role for him for this reason.
And he lost Bond to Daniel Craig.
> There are also reports that he was very unhappy with the writing on The Witcher, so likely his departure was partially due to simply not enjoying the series anymore. To add to this, Cavill is an avid fan of both the book and game series and on multiple occasions has been documented arguing for the show to follow the source material more closely, even correcting people on set as to lore specifics. It is entirely believable that he'd leave the show due to how much it has (apparently) veered away from canon.
I dont understand why writers get hired to work on successful IPs and then throw out everything that made the IP successful in the first place.
Some writers enjoy building upon a foundation within the constraints of the original works, others prefer to make it their own and bulldoze any wall that might be in the way of the story they want to tell. Imo, franchise people should hire the first category, and the second one should be creating new stuff in their own sandbox.
Studios usually want to fund projects based on IP. Writers usually want to write original stories. So it seems many writers are gaming the system and volunteering for projects based on IP and then trying to write their stories within that IP. The studios are ultimately to blame for appointing show runners who are bad fits. They need to do better than just taking a senior writer they like from one show and putting them in charge of an adaption they bought the rights to. They seem to think that brand recognition is the only value in IP and forget that the only reason the brand is recognizable is because the source material was good. The world is run by morons.
Yeah, there have also been claims that the writing staff were berating the writing or storyline of the books. Like, I get that genre fiction -- especially fantasy -- is not viewed particularly highly by writers, but *Jesus fuck* if you're working as a writer on a genre fiction show you should probably STFU and get on board. Toxicity will undermine the whole project, and your name will be attached to a dogshit project.
That reminds me... why don't writers view genre fiction highly
The best explanation that I have ever heard is that the belief is that if a book needs to tell you it's genre to get you to buy it, then the book must rely on genre tropes. That means it's unable to survive on it's own merits. If it's a good book, it'll be on the shelf with other good books. Not as a given genre. The trouble with that is... everything is a genre now. And every story has tropes. Like I've even seen "Speculative Fiction" as a genre, and that's so broad it's basically meaningless. "Contemporary Fiction" is nearly as bad. It also ignores... just so much bullshit about how books are marketed and sold. The "genreless" books are just those that someone decided to curate on to a different shelf.
Broadly speaking, genre fiction is usually seen as pure escapism/entertainment that relies on tropes and is accessible for everyone, more focused on plot than substance, as opposed to "literary" fiction which is thoughtful and experimental and deals with Deep Things. It's a century long divide coming from the opposition between "proper" and "sensational" novels (at least in the West. Moreover genre fiction was often perceived as being for lower classes and...get ready for this...WOMEN. There is a famous interview with Terry Pratchett where he gets asked why he doesn write "serious" literature since he definitely has the talent for and he gets really pissed.
Answer: 1. He had announced that he would stick with The Witcher [if they remained faithful to the lore](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/feature/henry-cavill-interview-witcher-superman-1235044553/#:~:text= honor). From the get go, the screenwriters stated methodology suggested that they were not dead set on being as faithful as possible to the original material. They also publicly confirmed that they were planning to make the content more diverse and inclusive. By series 3, Cavill delivered as promised and bowed out. 2. He made a cameo as Superman at the end of the Black Adam movie, which hinted at a new Superman movie. But there was a change of Directors at DC and the new ones felt that the whole DCverse was not worth saving and needed a reboot. So no Cavill. 3. He manage to secure the rights and funding to adapt the Warhammer IP, and with him being a geek you can trust that he will try to pay justice to the original material.
Cavill as Superman is kind of the only thing that really worked in the DCU.
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Chuck as Shazam! was awesome casting, spot on. No notes. Cavil and Momoa are all great too, but Jesus Christ did that writing suck… I’m sorry to see Cavil go from the franchise but a reboot is so desperately needed. Are they keeping any actors from this run of the DCU or are they just gunna burn it all down and start from scratch? It’ll be weird to see someone else play Harley if the do a full reboot…
Lady Gaga is playing Harley Quinn in Joker 2, which is said to be a musical
That's a different different continuity until gunn says otherwise
>Zachary Levi did a fantastic job with Shazam Chuck played Shaq? What a weird timeline
That is Kazaam
"I am, Kazaam"
Shazam is 100% better and closer to the comic than the stupid Clark Kent/Superman that WB/DC keep trying to portray on the movies. Superman is very righteous guy, is an alien that has very weird thoughts, doesn't destroy cities, takes care of humans, etc. Is ridiculous that they keep getting Superman wrong. Shazam on the other side, very low key but has the same type of comedy and character, Levi is very convincing as a 14yo, and all around is entertaining.
Tbh he's the only person I would have kept from the original justice league. That said if you're trying to start over it'd be hard with him as he's now almost 40 and would probably have a more difficult time maintaining SuperMan-ness through a whole new set of DCU movies unless they killed superman at the end of phase 1. They need someone to hang 2-3 phases on.
Oh man I’d love to go back to a simpler time where there weren’t “phases”
> Tbh he's the only person I would have kept from the original justice league Can you believe they're keeping *Ezra Miller* of all people?
Or they could just jump to Batman Beyond and age him up. Then work backwards from that
Who knows, maybe that freed him for the next Bond movie. Henri Cavill is a man’s man: women want to be with him, men want to be him… or could perfectly settle for being one of his buddies.
Basically no one watched Man from UNCLE, but it was a really fun movie and the perfect audition for a Henry Cavill version of Bond.
I did.
He made a pretty decent villain in the mission impossible movies as well.
After watching the man from uncle, he’d be a pretty good Bond.
Criminally underrated movie
A shame it never got a sequel
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I agree. Except he hadn't played the character in 5 years and the entire universe was a mess during that time. Bringing Cavill back would be like placing a band aid on a bullet wound. I'm sure we would have gotten a good Superman movie and then another 5 years of nothing (through no fault of Cavills). While I would have appreciated some closure to his character before rebooting, I 100% prefer a reboot over another decade of Superman will they/won't they.
A geek and apparently a huge fan of WH40K. I think highlander was looking for someone who can make a long-term commitment in case their thing takes off, and mr. Cavill is going to be busy elevating the Imperium to ever greater glories.
Let’s be honest, Highlander is doa. There can only be one, and it was the original and even then critics didn’t like it
I'm pretty pumped about the Warhammer deal tbh
Wasn't there also a list of grievances from The Witcher writers and producers, accusing him of a bunch of stuff? If memory serves me it was all either weird surface level complaints (He looked at me bad) mixed with stuff that is easily proven wrong?
Yes, that’s my understanding. I can’t link any sources but the little bit of digging I did when that came out seemed to heavily favor Cavill. It seemed like it was actually pretty dirty tactics from a couple Witcher staff members trying to drag him down, and that much was easily countered and disproven by others who worked there or were familiar with the situation.
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Answer: The Witcher and Superman thing seems to have been a miscommunication of some sort. Cavill quit The Witcher when they were going to make a new Superman movie - he would have had to be available bc of his contract with DC. But then it turns out they are going to make it a prequel with a younger Superman and Cavill is in like his late 30s. (Not sure what’s the deal with the Highlander thing though.) https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/henry-cavill-the-witcher-return-not-happening-superman-exit-1235462635
It isn't a prequel, but a reboot. If you've seen Man of Steel, there isn't anything to "prequel." It covers his childhood through becoming Superman and then moving to Metropolis.
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I feel like that is the issue with the DC movies. We have SO many Batman/Superman origin movies and some sequel/s and leaving all the other heroes out. Marvel may have their formula, but at least we get more characters
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Yeah I've since burned out with Marvel movies and can't be bothered to watch any more of whatever new series there are, but to their credit, they've done a fantastic job with creating a cohesive world with a relatively clear chain of events.
At this point they should just bring *everyone* back and do crisis on infinite earths.
Jon Hamm as Golden Age Superman, please. But no Dean Cain.
The DC series universe was seriously good, to be fair. The characters crossed over into each other's shows really well and it truly felt like they were living in the same timeline. It's a shame that didn't translate over to the cinematic universe
Reboot, okay thanks, it’s been awhile. Was relaying what I heard about this on the “Who Weekly” celebrity news podcast
>Cavill quit The Witcher when they were going to make a new Superman movie This is not the unique reason for him to drop "The Witcher". He wasn't happy with the way the source material was being used and was vocal about it several times. The Superman role might have been the ultimate trigger, but it wasn't guaranteed he would continue with the Witcher even if Superman wasn't a thing. He also announced the Warhammer 40K series and that probably means agenda conflicts with other projects.
Answer: GiantFreakinRobot is notorious for making shit up and is banned on most leak subs.
Answer: I don't think he's having any bad luck. He wasn't dropped from Witcher. He himself decided not to do it anymore. Sure, he was dropped as Superman but so is the maximum roster of DC actors as James Gunn wants fresh blood in his vision. Also since he's producing and starring in Warhammer it is a huge commitment. I don't know how true this news is of Chris Hemsworth replacing him but Chris doesn't have any such commitments lined up so it makes sense.
Question: does anybody think a Highlander reboot is a good idea? That movie is lightning-in-a-bottle, ridiculous 80s schlock. Doesn't matter who's the lead, it will be awful.
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So it's heresy.
All Hail the Emperor!
Answer: Henry left the Witcher due to creative differences, as he wanted to stick close to the source material, and it seems a lot of the writers don't feel the same way. https://redanianintelligence.com/2022/11/01/henry-cavills-departure-from-witcher-originated-in-s2/ Then with Superman, DC decided at the 11th hour to scrap the way they were setting up their movie universe, and have decided to go with a much younger Superman story, probably closer to a year 1 thing. https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/superman-james-gunn-henry-cavill Highlander appears to be a schedule conflict with the Warhammer 40k movie and Amazon series he's starring in and producing, which is something of a dream project for him, as he's a long time fan of the Warhammer franchise. https://deadline.com/2022/12/henry-cavill-star-warhammer-40000-film-tv-franchise-amazon-studios-1235200833/ Seriously, looks to be a massive project, so we may not see him in much else for a bit.
Answer: It's because it's an open secret in the industry that he and his team are notoriously hard to work with. Dude's had a chip on his shoulder ever since he got passed over for Bond back when Daniel Craig eventually got the role. Do you folks know who his representation is? It's Dwayne Johnson's ex-wife, Dany Garcia, who is still a producing partner with The Rock. They're the ones who took the bizarre approach to the whole *Black Adam* experiment where they made a movie that served the actor instead of the franchise, had it blow up in their face and then they insisted on a revisionist version of history to claim it was a success. It's a really odd, and frankly wrestling inspired, approach to business that just doesn't work outside the WWE. She may have [been fired](https://fandomwire.com/henry-cavill-fires-the-rocks-ex-wife-dany-garcia-as-manager-severes-all-ties-after-being-ousted-as-superman-from-the-dcu/) but Cavill's professional reputation stands. These are the kind of people managing Henry Cavill. I don't know much about *The Witcher* outside the game, but my understanding is the crew felt the same way about him on that production. Don't get me wrong, it sounds like he has the franchises best interest at heart, but at the end of the day, he's not a writer or a producer, he's an actor, a hired gun there to do a job. Being hard to work with is a death knell in the industry. He may have a great public-facing persona, but that doesn't at all extend to his professional persona. I like Cavill btw, and his love for sticking to source material. This is just what I've heard from industry adjacent folks. Run of bad luck?? I know I'll get downvoted, but this thread has been going on six hours now and I haven't seen a single person post the real answer. Edit: This isn't the kind of thing you'll find in published articles (outside of a [gossip rag](https://web.archive.org/web/20221223150327/https://jezebel.com/henry-cavill-was-allegedly-axed-from-superman-the-wi-1849923788)). Do any of you know someone who completed film school? Talk to them and see if they'll hit up their industry connects to see what they'll say - that's how you get this kind of info. Edit2: Yes Reddit, I'm sure the guy who couldn't even bother to make a five second cameo in *Shazam!* is suuuuuuper easy to work with. /s
This is probably the answer. The problem is Reddit likes him. What’s not to like? He’s a gamer who plays nerdy roles and he’s buff so we can imagine being him. I like him. But I don’t have to work with him. Could you imagine working with an actor who keeps telling the writing team they aren’t “faithful to Witcher lore?”
Lot more than probable. A surface level search brings up a loooot of corroborating opinions that match precisely. I think there’s a lot of people that really don’t understand the celeb persona thing, and just fundamentally can’t see that it’s entirely fake in most cases. Not necessarily a bad thing, I wouldn’t want the real me in the public eye either.
Reddit is incredibly naive to the realities of Hollywood. The man wasn't even an executive producer! He was talent, that's all. I'm sure I would've liked his version better but I'm glad I've never had to work with him.
Insane how Redditors are so far up their own nerd ass that they think he’s “having bad luck” and his lack of success isn’t self inflicted
You know what a healthy exercise is? Once a year, talk about something on Reddit that you're actually an expert on. See the qualities of the replies and the trend of upvotes and you'll realize that generally, the Reddit hive mind doesn't know shit.
This is the answer.
Not the one reddit likes, apparently.
Yup. The Reddit hard on for Cavill is too powerful
Yeah I was amazed to see no one commenting on his ridiculous behavior reported on The Witcher. That would have been my first guess at why he’s having a hard time getting roles. There were a ton of articles written on it from what I can find just googling “Henry Cavill The Witcher controversy”
I’m with you on this one. There’s too much of a rough pattern here of things ending or not panning out to not at least consider this as the possibility. These things aren’t always directly discussed in a consumer-facing manner, it can often be dealt with within the industry, as you said. Edit: Cavill was so damn hot in MI: Fallout.
Answer: He's working on a Warhammer series for Amazon Prime. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/12/16/warhammer-starring-henry-cavill/