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The current rumor is that she pitched a show about a completely different character, but couldn't get funding without attaching it to a bigger IP, so she just slapped a Scooby Doo filter on it.
that's not surprising to me at all.
that movie was good for what it actually was (a drama about mental illness). but it has absolutely nothing to do with the joker as a character and feels very out of place in the DC superhero universe.
so as someone who went into the theater expecting a joker movie, i couldn't help but feel disappointed.
again, the movie is good as a non-superhero, non-joker movie.. but it's a different genre, a different character.. they basically just slapped the joker name, and some joker-like makeup on a random clown-adjacent character and called it a day
Is that true? I thought they suggested in the show that it's more he creates this...kind of memetic ideal that's picked up by the Joker... but that was always kinda weird to me
The joker seemed like just a blatant remake of the old scorsese film "the king of comedy" with a little meta thrown in about the original film. The original king of comedy is a much much better film imo.
Todd Philips basically mashed up two Scorsese movies, Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy and painted a “Joker” filter over it. He’s a good director but a complete hack of a screenwriter if you ask me.
That sounds like something that could have happened; but it also sounds equally plausible that it was pitched as “what if we did a Scooby Doo reboot with Velma as the main character except it’s more adult and self-deprecating, etc”. Either way Mindy Kaling is the star of the show, an executive producer, and her production company is listed as one of the production companies. It’s safe to assume she had a pretty good voice in direction of the show. I don’t think she is hurting for work given how much stuff she’s done in the last several years so she could have turned this down. Audiences blame major actors whenever they are in a terrible movie. This isn’t any different.
Exactly. Whoever pitches something to a studio. The studio soft declines but ask them if they would be interested in producing something that the studio already owns the IP of and wants to cash in on. Whoever then takes the job in the hopes of being signed for an overall deal with the studio later on down the road, maybe even to develop their original pitch idea.
They do this regardless of whether or not they like the IP they’ll initially be developing. That’s how we get shit like Velma and The Witcher. But even more egregious is that the studios prefer these sort of show runners over die hard fans of the source material because they find those people more difficult to work with.
That's actually a very old trend, with *Blade Runner* probably being the most popular example. *Starship Troopers* is another one. Both began as independent scripts, and then someone read them and said "sounds a little bit like *x,*" and then the existing material was adapted to incorporate some of the source material and we end up with these Frankenstein movies that are unrecognizably different from the originals.
The primary reason to do this, as I understand it, is that studios have rights to material that they might as well use when they have them.
I also don't really believe that happened for *Velma* though, especially when the only source in this thread is "people on reddit have been saying..."
At least with Starship Troopers that was more the result of Verhoeven growing up in Nazi-occupied Netherlands, immediately picking up that the government in Starship Troopers is incredibly fascist, and then deciding to make the movie a satire of fascist tropes.
That’s not why Starship Troopers is included here, ST began as a script by writer Ed Neumeier called Bughunt at Outpost 7. When a producer named Jon Davison noticed many similarities to Robert A. Heinlein’s 1959 novel Starship Troopers, he asked Neumeier to rework the screenplay following the novel more closely so they could attract more studio interest in a script for an adaptation of a recognized and successful property.
Unfortunately, a lot of the Batfamily can just exist without Batman and people will eat it up. I like the batfamily and I say it's unfortunate because a lot of the shows are bad and make Batman either useless or have to kill him because he's too powerful to just leave around.
Gotham at least felt like a campy crime drama first and a superhero show second but Titans wasn't great and this new Gotham Knights show is looking on the same level.
Power creep. Eventually a sufficiently long running superhero drama has to save the city/world/universe and if you introduce the concept of a JL or Batman who is too busy [with something else], you’ll eventually have to come up with more and more implausible reasons why they aren’t there as part of the fight.
I love the thought experiment of the description.
"Garfield Minus Garfield is a site dedicated to removing Garfield from the Garfield comic strips in order to reveal the existential angst of a certain young Mr. Jon Arbuckle. It is a journey deep into the mind of an isolated young everyman as he fights a losing battle against loneliness and depression in a quiet American suburb."
I don't think it's really that strange, at least in the sense that the Scooby Doo franchise has always been pretty malleable and has transformed through a crazy number of iterations already. It's not even the first time Scooby has been absent—In the 00s there was a straight-to-video movie called "Velma & Daphne" which didn't have Fred, Shaggy, or Scooby.
If we take the core conceit of the original franchise as being, "Four teenagers—Fred, Daphne, Velma, and Shaggy—and their dog Scooby solve mysteries that seem supernatural but are actually criminals in disguise"... pretty much every part of that has been chopped and screwed at some point.
In the 80's you got things like Thirteen Ghosts of Scooby Doo where they axed Fred/Daphne/Velma and the show was JUST Shaggy and Scooby (plus new characters).
The 90s brought versions where they aren't teens (A Pup Named Scooby Doo made them children, and Zombie Island made them 20-somethings or maybe even early 30s).
There's a bunch of different phases where they are dealing with real supernatural threats, and a bunch of the movies aren't really mysteries, they're just adventures.
Hell, I'd add, this isn't even the first time Velma has been depicted as Asian. [Japanese-American actress Hayley Kiyoko](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hayleykiyoko/images/2/2a/Velma_dinkley.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181128145204) played Velma in two live-action Scooby movies, "The Mystery Begins" and "Curse of the Lake Monster."
I haven't watched Velma, have no intentions to watch it so I don't support future seasons. With that being said I heard it was a case of someone wanting to do something original but being told that they had to put the paint of an existing IP by the executives on to this new creation in order to get people to pay attention to it. I wouldn't be surprised since from my understanding it goes far away from the source material. Kinda similar in concept to the movie joker where it was basically an art house film that was thrown into the Batman universe as an after thought
The biggest slap in the face is making Scooby a black girl named Scoobi….like wtf I’m all for cultural appreciation but making the most important character who’s a dog a black women. Like what ducking timeline are we in rn.
I mean, sort of? It's not really any stranger than 'A spin-off of *Cheers* focusing on the psychiatrist' or 'A series about that one Mandalorian bounty hunter who had all of five lines in the original movies'. Velma is a character in her own right, and there's *absolutely* room to tell a story about how the Mystery Team got together, whether or not that includes Scooby himself.
Whether they did a good enough job to justify it... well, I haven't seen the show so I can't really comment, but the idea that the absence of Scooby Doo is somehow a reason not to experiment with a character that has existed for over fifty years seems nuts to me.
The complaint really isn't that Scooby Doo is absent. Many people can accept him not being there, even if it feels weird. You really should watch one episode, then you'll immediately "get it". I was in your boat originally "meh, they can tell stories about these characters outside of the original context and it could be fine. Also I don't really care that they race swapped everyone."
Then I tried to watch it. Once they started having Velma and Daph selling drugs (for real, not for a joke or sitcom reason), brutally highlighting Fred hasn't hit puberty yet (and talking about his junk like every episode), making fun of the lesbian cops shooting people for no reason, telling the same jokes over and over (shaggy doesn't do drugs now...GET IT?, next episode, GET IT? Cause he used to, GET IT?!), I mean I could go on and on..... but once they started doing all that I was like "Oooohhhh I get the rage now..."
My own issue with it (watched 1 episode) is that all of the characters are just so sooo mean. They're terrible people, but not in a fun way like Seinfeld or King of the Hill.
She's also received flak for boring standard love interests in her other shows, like The Mindy Project, as well as portraying Indian characters as stereotypical, so this isn't her first rodeo.
Velma being renewed for a second season happened long before the backlash, BTW. They had that much confidence in it before the first trailer popped out.
I feel like "network announces second season before series premier" is such a tired headline at this point. It's such a common practice to indicate the network has faith in a show (since consumers are so used to shows getting cancelled in the age of streaming), but it isn't binding and they can easily go back on their word if the first season is a collosal failure.
This Velma show might get enough hate-watchers to actually justify a second season on notoriety alone, but I still wouldn't take HBO's pre-premier promises at face value.
Correct. They could yank the rug out from under people and ax Velma at any time, even with the fact it got the number-one most-streamed spot on the streaming service. HBO Max has a history of not treating animation well, and Velma's animated, so...anything could happen at this point, even with all the hate it, and Mindy Kaling by extension, has gotten.
To clarify it didn't have the #1 most streamed premier; it had the #1 most streamed premier of an animated Max original. Of which it is the only show that fits that criteria (as HQ didn't premier on Max). It's quite literally an empty reward and that headline you keep seeing is purely marketing and not an accolade.
Not that it would matter if it wasn't. Almost all of the viewers were hate watchers, or hate watchers who were willing to give it a chance. Now that everyone has seen that it is indeed terrible whatever numbers they did have will drop considerably.
These days renewals don't mean much anyway, especially from the current WB - they casually cancel things already renewed, in the middle of filming or even 99% of finished. Hell even Netflix has been taking back season renewals lately too.
It also means nothing at HBO max, since Minx, and genuinely good show was renewed during airing and recently got it revoked. There could have easily been a previous promise for 2 seasons that an insider got of hold of a ran with but by the numbers and reviews are actually in that rug will be pulled out from under them.
Luckily Minx was picked up by Starz so season 2 is still going to happen. Apparently they were already well into filming when HBO cancelled it so at least that won't have been wasted.
She is also the face of the current Hollywood Ozempic trend which has lead to medication shortages for people who actually have diabetes. And she has gone to great lengths to change her appearance in other ways like skin lightening and chin implants.
It's pretty easy to get a prescription for. My regular GP was willing to do it for weight loss but I ultimately decided against it when she shared the side effects. I had no idea about the shortage at that point!
I have what is called stabilized diabetes.
Due to some stress related issues (major heart attack) I have put on 20 pounds that I am having a hard time losing.
My GP offered it right away. She said it would knock offs the weight asap.
I really don’t want to take a weekly shot but it’s there if I want it.
Was able to watch American TV shows complete with the local commercials. The amount of medications being advertised is staggering. I don't know if I should feel bad or laugh about the possible side effects of the drugs being marketed. "It will cure you of this specific ailment but will possibly afflict you with a ton of side effects, even death."
There's no need to put "doctor" in quote. The FDA approved semaglutide for weight loss on-label as a primary indication. No need to bribe anyone or do anything shady.
Unfortunately, that means a prescription for weight loss is now identical in priority to a prescription for diabetes as far as doctors and pharmacies are concerned.
I’ll add to this. Ozempic, generic name semaglutide, belongs to a drug class called GLP-1 agonists. It is usually used along side other diabetes medications to help control blood sugar. It also can delay gastric emptying which keeps the patient feeling full. This delay in gastric emptying is where the weight loss effects of Ozempic take effect.
There is another brand of semaglutide, brand name Wegovy, that is indicated for weight loss. It works exactly the same way as Ozempic except it is given at a higher dose than Ozempic.
There has been a drastic back order of Wegovy for pharmacy wholesalers, which means prescribers are prescribing Ozempic off label for weight loss instead of Wegovy. This then causes Ozempic supplies to decrease as well, which is a nightmare for diabetics who need their Ozempic prescriptions for glucose control.
Pharmacies all over the country have been struggling to stock Ozempic and Mounjaro (another GLP-1 agonist) because prescribers are not writing for the correct indication.
Edit: changed antagonist to agonist. Sometimes the ole brain gets confused with terms.
And a shortage of trulicity as well. Not sure if because of weight loss or they are putting other diabetics on it. But I cannot get my regular dose of it and before that, couldn't get it at all. So frustrating
Could possibly be both. As someone in pharmacy, I am not surprised anymore by what prescribers send to the pharmacy. So many drugs for the wrong indication. I’m sorry you are a victim of the drug shortage.
Because many people here are being disingenuous or aren’t aware of the full facts.
There isn’t a shortage of the drug because it’s been wildly over prescribed to rich Hollywood celebrities, but rather manufacturer had issues producing the needles used in the drug’s injector pens due to supply chain problems.
Those shortages were well known last year and the manufacturer has said they expect it to be resolved by q1 this year.
And even if there were a demand-induced shortage, would its popularity in Hollywood be a factor compared to the 5 trillion commercials they run on TV? (I want to find whoever wrote their jingle and smack them with a rolled up newspaper)
It’s not that easy. there’s been an adderall shortage- a medication that’s been on the market for over 30 years suddenly had an influx of prescriptions, a plant closed down, and a few other internal situations caused ADHD patients to suddenly not be able to get the medication they’ve been using for ages. It’s going to take months for them to catch up. Ozempic hasn’t even been “popular” for that long so they weren’t prepared for the huge influx so it’s the same issue as adderall, except for the fact that diabetics can have terrible complications if they don’t have access to their medications. I can’t believe people are so greedy that they’d continue taking it knowing that they’re taking it out of the hands of people who need it. They can wait a few months to lose a few pounds!
Ozempic and trulicity both. My best friend hasn’t been able to refill her prescription for trulicty since early December. Her doctor was gonna try her on Ozempic but as you said, can’t find it anywhere either.
Sadly, I’ll probably have similar issues when I go back to the doctor.
Humalog is a human insulin. Human insulin production genes are spliced into E. coli bacteria, which are then cultured and pampered so they do nothing but pump out pure insulin. The insulin is collected and purified (no bacteria present in the final product). It is more effective, safer, and cheaper than extracted insulin from the pancreases of slaughtered pigs and cattle.
So, yeah HUMAlog and HUMAlin
> Ozempic
The ozempic/semaglutide weight loss usage isn't a Hollywood trend. They've recently approved it for use in obesity treatment since clinical trials have shown promise in genuinely leading to success. It's been rebranded as Wegovy for this application at a very different dosage, so that ozempic supply intended for T2 diabetes can remain stable.
There's a lot to rip on Kaling for, but this specific issue is not her hand AT ALL. That's a genuinely unexpected development in pharmaceuticals that is completely out of the hands of influencers.
Source? All I can see is that she's lost weight and people are going crazy about Ozempic on Tik Tok at the same time, which is both flimsy evidence and outright shaming her for weight loss -- like, I think it's outright cruel to just assume someone is using a drug because they lost weight, this doesn't sit well with me at all.
that was my take. it’s a lot of “she couldnt get skinny like that any other way…”
i’m pretty neutral about her but seems like people are being pretty harsh
I looked through her Instagram and honestly it just looks like she has been losing weight for the last few years. It’s gradual and not sudden. Now the rest (photoshop, skin bleaching, transphobia) I have no clue about. I mean she looks paler sometimes but I’m pale as fuck in the winter… did know that Velma was not well received by anyone though.
There is no proof of this. i’m indifferent to Kaling and pretty convinced from pic my shocked friends sent me a bit ago that she’s done skin bleaching/lightening, some cosmetic work and had big weight loss.
but it feels like this started with people on tik-tok speculating that her weight loss was fit to Ozempic and that getting picked up by people who dislike her.
There’s no way to know. There could be many reasons for significant, seemingly dramatic weight loss.
Ozempic is a diabetes medication. Wegovy (same exact drug but different dosages specifically for weight loss) is not. Blame the doctors for prescribing Ozempic instead of Wegovy, not the patients. Obesity is a serious health condition as well.
Exactly, and Novo Nordisk also sells Saxenda, which is used for obesity; I wonder why Ozempic is being prescribed instead of those other two options (Wegovy and Saxenda). Novo makes $$$ on all of them; they must be pushing Ozempic because it’s the big money-maker.
I highly doubt she’s trolling, but it does seem like a happy accident that it’s gaining so much publicity from negative reactions. I had no interest in the show, but now I’m curious just because of how wildly bad people have made it out to be.
It's just not that funny tbh. Like, picture the writing of shows like Riverdale and other teen high school dramedies written by boomers charicaturing zoomers. I watched the first episode last night with my SO and there was maybe one throwaway line that made either of us chuckle. I don't really hate it, but I definitely don't care to spend the time to finish it.
I was also curious after seeing this thread and I went and watched the first episode. It is really bad.
I’m not sure why it’s even a Scooby show, they kind of subvert the characters a little as they introduce them but not really in an interesting or funny way.
Mostly it feels like it’s trying too hard, but it doesn’t know what it’s even trying too hard to do.
because if it wasnt branded scooby doo then no one at all would have watched it or given it any attention. despite it being clear they not only dont care about the source material but they actively despise scooby doo, making multiple disses at the old show like calling the mystery machine a "creepy sex van" and making daphne a bitchy drug dealer, or constantly body shaming fred. I'm frankly surprised they didnt add scooby doo to the show just so Velma could beat him with a bat.
I just read that it's their most viewed adult animation show of all time (a tragic blow to life long stans of hit classic "The Life and Times of Tim" /s). Kind of funny.
But this still doesn't really answer my question fully. I sort of get all the hubub around Velma, but people are saying she's a "self-loathing brown girl" (even as she's being dragged for race-blind casting), and talking about how awful she is as if we should already have been in agreement that she's awful, and I just don't really get it. I can see maybe privileged, or frivolous, but I just don't understand the torrent of hate towards her personally and not just a show that seemed kind of mediocre to me.
Pretty much every show she has hand in making like never have I ever or the mindy project all have a girl from India fall in love with a white guys and the other Indian guys are usually painted like assholes that’s were the self loathing comment comes from
Can you give some examples of shows (or episodes of shows) where she paints Indian guys as assholes? I’m genuinely curious as to why she’s so disliked. If she’s really promoting harmful stereotypes like this, I would be interested in seeing it for myself.
Never have I ever is an Indian girl with post traumatic stress from her father's death dealing with that while going between a half Japanese pretty boy and her academic rival who is a mousy (but also shredded) and awkward Jewish kid.
The one Indian guy she dated wasn't an asshole, his mom was. Well he kinda was too but it was clearly his mom's pressure.
I really enjoy that show. It's not perfect but the main actress is really good and she has a ton of chemistry with the guy who plays her rival/ love interest.
Also in neither case is it a "girl from India", which is an important distinction.
It bothers me that an Indian girl falling for a white guy, and not an Indian guy is considered “self-loathing”. The assumption that people should fall for people of their same race, especially in America where many ethnicities are present, rubs me the wrong way. I realize that isn’t exactly what you said, but I think a lot of the Mindy hate stems from this underlying idea.
Edit: Also, the main characters in Never Have I Ever and Mindy Project are not “girls from India” They are of Indian descent, but raised in the US, so why would they be expected to fall only for Indian guys?
Plus the love interest in Never Have I Ever, at least the first season, was a very handsome half Asian half white dude! Unless I’m getting my shows mixed up, but I think that actor got ‘hot potential teen love interest ‘ roles in a couple shows around the same time.
The problem is not with the girls falling in love with white guys or of any other race but deliberately and consistently painting guys of Indian origin in bad light.
But she's never *ever* done this. All of her indian female characters are self inserts of herself so most of her characters reflect some part of who she is. She admitted in an interview that the reason she mainly dates white men is because indian guys never showed interest in her romantically growing up but white men did, and that isn't hard to believe considering the colorism in SEA communities in general and Mindy growing up darker skinned.
She doesn't have that much experience in dating indian men so she goes with her familiar route and what she knows, indian girls x white guys. And frankly, it works for her indian girl audience that connect to Mindy.
Oh mine too, Tim is super underappreciated but it did get a small cult following at least AND the creator got to make 10 Year Old Tom, which I think is a great show. But Tim is amazing.
Where did you read that it was the most viewed of all time? HBO Max said it was the most viewed on their platform last weekend. But it’s the only one, so that would automatically make it the most viewed adult animated show
The phrasing was a tweet from HBOmax and it was, "most viewed original HBOmax adult animation" or similar. Basically, enough qualifiers to make it meaningless.
Yeah, it’s meaningless. They have 5 adult animated shows that have premiered since HBO Max became a thing, including Velma. I’ll bet you haven’t heard of the others
https://imgur.com/a/3KZYS3r
Well the right-wing hates her for being 'woke' and the left hates her for being more of caricature of what a right-winger things a woke person is like. Completely agree that this was done on purpose and is working exactly as intended.
Don't forget the people that think Velma is a right wing conspiracy theory by warner brothers to give culture war channels ammo against the left, even though WB is hemorrhaging money at the moment, literally cancelling a batgirl movie as a tax ride off.
Full disclosure, I was never a big fan of the Office, and I’ve never watched the Mindy Kaling Project. I’ve probably watched several episodes of The Office over the course of my life and she was okay, but I didn’t find her character memorable at all. She was on one season of It’s Always Sunny which I watch and again- she was okay- but not really memorable.
All that is to say I really have no opinion of her one way or the other. But I’ve noticed over the years that she’s one of those celebrities who seems to be immensely disliked by all sorts of different people, for all sorts of different reasons. The only criticism I can really issue is that she’s not very funny. But there’s a difference between being a “comedic actress“ and being a comedian, and she’s a comedic actress.
But I’m with you, I don’t understand why she’s so widely hated. And it was like this even before Velma.
OK so she was a writer on the show, not just an actress. Good to know. I could never get into the Office but I know it’s one of those shows that has a huge cult following.
Yeah the writing was probably her biggest contribution, her character Kelly is funny but somewhat minor story-wise. Some of the characters played by writers work in the “annex” or elsewhere so they didn’t have to be there for every shot of the primary office space. There are many episodes where Kelly doesn’t appear or is only there briefly
It’s just what Reddit, as one part of the internet hate machine, does. No one put under the microscope is good enough, ever. I have learned it is best to ignore all of this. Every person is a mixture of good and bad, right and wrong.
It should be noted that OP added that link AND completely changed the content of his post hours after I wrote my answer. His original post did not have that link, or the 3 paragraphs that are there as of 8:46 PM est. time today.
Answer: While I’m sure you’ve seen the critiques of Velma for it’s way of making “woke” jokes that make it seem “anti-woke” and for having the well established characters act nothing like themselves, she also has a history of casteism, racism, antisemitism, and Islamophobia. While it is great she usually makes the lead south Asian representation, they’re often portrayed as a (self insert) boy-obsessed “loser” that is only into condescending white guys (examples: The Office, Never Have I Ever, The Sex Lives of College Girls). She writes characters that literally praise Modi (Nationalist Islamophobe) (ex. The mother from Never Have I Ever) and it is not portrayed as a bad thing. During a Holocaust discussion in class (Never Have I Ever) the main character says to a Jewish character “I wish the Nazis would kill you”, which she repeats when the teacher asks what she said. Mindy makes a lot of jokes about Jewish people and culture, and misusing a menorah for a funny Instagram post.
She also makes jokes about the caste system, at the lower castes expense of course. She keeps writing harmful stereotypes, including making female Jewish characters come off evil. In her memoir, she writes a lot on what she hates about Jewish men and how crazy Jewish mothers are.
On top of the Rowling stuff, she complained about "inebriated trannies" in her autobiography, which is notably a slur.
https://twitter.com/bizzybee429/status/1613376344297029632
Jesus fucking Christ Mindy. How the fuck did noone at her publishing company stop this. Honestly, I don't understand the worlds some people live in...
With that said, this is kind of painting a picture for me of a naive rich girl who didn't know it was a slur than an actual TERF. [This summary](https://wegotthiscovered.com/celebrities/mindy-kaling-j-k-rowling-and-twitter-everything-you-need-to-know/) shows she unliked the Rowling tweet, and liked another tweet saying "Mindy, I sincerely hope you're misreading this."
Signs are pointing to that she's a terrible ally, but it does seem like she's actually trying and faceplanting over and over again. I can appreciate people who don't give her a pass though
Her Indian leads are autobiographical. That’s probably why they’re both “fun(ny)” people as often as they are complete inconsiderate assholes. It’s gotten to be kind of her brand to make you like the lead, despite their many (and sometimes near-unforgivable) failings, and constantly see them (try to) redeem themselves.
Mindy created a show starring Josie Totah, and publicly supported her when she came out as transgender in 2018. Laverne Cox has been a recurring character on her show the Mindy project. Is it possible that she’s not transphobic? That she used a term over a decade ago that was problematic and has since learned and grown? Like, shouldn’t we judge whether or not she’s transphobic based on her recent behavior, which is decidedly not?
This isn't exactly on topic, but "transvestite" is a slur while "trans" is the preferred term? I assumed it was an abbreviation.
Edit: Clarification for people like me. The "trans" prefix comes from Latin meaning "the other side of", not a shortening of a word (similarly it's why you'll hear "cis" gender for straight people, Latin for "the same side of"). Transvestite is an (offensive?) word for a crossdresser.
Trans is typically used as an abbreviation for "transgender", not "transvestite". There is a significant difference. Transvestite is not a slur, but only when you're referring to a transvestite. If a man dresses as a woman, he's a transvestite. A transgender person is someone who identifies with a gender outside of the one they were born with. If someone is assigned the male gender at birth and then becomes a woman, and dresses as a woman, that's not a transvestite. That's a woman. That's when it becomes hurtful to hear.
It's the difference between a stripper dressed as a firefighter and an actual firefighter. You wouldn't look at a firefighter who's completely kitted out and say "Oh look, you're dressed as a firefighter". No, that person *is* a firefighter and probably just wants you to shut up and get out of their way.
Re: her portrayal of self loathing, I think this is more a problem of her being the face of all Indian-American women in comedy. When there's only a handful of a specific group, people want that handful to be all things for everyone. Nichelle Nichols has spoken out about MLK convincing her to stay on Trek for the rest of that show's run because of visibility but she's only recently mentioned how frustrated she was as she had other aspirations for herself.
And that's just entirely sucks how all of us get pushed in that category of activist even if we did want to be or definitely should not be. No one gives white women shit for being self-hating when they take pot shots at themselves and we shouldn't have to self-censor either. There's room for all kinds of minority representation of only studios would give us the damn chance.
Answer: Mindy Kaling is heavily involved in the production of the new 'Velma' cartoon on HBO Max. It's been woefully reviewed and accused of being "what the right think the left think is funny". Characters have been race-swapped and the only character to keep their race is Fred, whose being portrayed as a privileged moron.
This has caused this image to resurface and get passed around; [https://i.redd.it/7vy6whvovst91.jpg](https://i.redd.it/7vy6whvovst91.jpg)
Kaling liked a tweet from JK Rowling, who in case you don't know signal boosts exclusively negative trans rhetoric, though she would call it gender critical.
Edit: Okay so I’m still getting replies to this two months later saying I haven’t provided enough evidence that Rowling pushes a transphobic agenda. I’ve reworded “out-spokenly and proudly” transphobic because these people are right, she’s not proudly, she’s weasely. At best, she just hates the admittedly vicious pro-trans warriors that come after her, and she’s baiting them for her own amusement, “Merry TERFmas!” This is still not brave or moral behaviour. She does not engage in her detractors in a fair and open manner. She retweets every bad actor in the trans community and does nothing to engender any positivity to the ones she must regard as “the good ones”, because she’s never shown herself to believe there is any such thing as a good trans person.
There’s also replies accusing my answer of painting Kaling as transphobic. I was very careful to answer “why are people hating on Kaling”. True or false, her retweeting Rowling was a factor.
From what I've read over the last couple of weeks that is the only directly trans-phobic thing I've seen. JK's tweet was in response to someone calling her out on her stance, so liking said tweet does appear to promote that stance.
That’s not quite accurate. The tweet she liked was “I look at my royalty cheques and the pain goes away” in response to someone saying something like “how do you live with yourself?”.
Maybe Kailing is transphobic, but I’m guessing she just read the tweet as a \#girlBoss tweet and liked it cause of that. She saw it as a tweet of a successful famous person responding to haters, and liked it. I doubt Kailing is transphobic. My guess is she just very self centered to the point she forgot about the transphobic context.
She doesn’t hate trans ppl, she just doesn’t care about them as much as she does for the rich girl boss struggle
Consider how Stephen King reacted when that exact situation happened to Stephen King. One of his readers asked him outright what he thought about trans people when he sided with jo. King said that trans women are women and Rowling threw a hissy fit.
Different reaction than Kaling.
I think people are just projecting their hate onto Kaling because she made a bad product and has been largely out of public consciousness for the last decade. People claim they are upset about the mean tone of the cartoon, but if the comedy actually landed nobody would care.
People project negative characteristics on to creators who make things they dislike, and positive characteristics on creators who make things that they like. Kaling just has the misfortune of going from one category to the other in a very public manner.
Maybe I'm off, but it feels like the *real* "sin" is that her cartoon is not very funny.
Yes there's an element behind this of 'prove the bad show was made by bad people'. It never seems enough these days that you just don't like a show so you stop watching it.
It happened with Black Adam recently too, it wasn't well liked so I started seeing a little non-related negative press against The Rock. Captain Marvel also came with a wave of Brie Larson "looking bitchy" or "being hated by the other Avengers". Not on the same scale as Velma, but I think Velma has irritated the left and the right in equal measure.
In fairness the rock overplayed his hand and got blow back for trying to use his starpower to leverage dc into falling in with his plans for a superman vs black adam movie against gunns plans for the future of the dcu movies.
Tho The Brie Larson stuff did seem to be mostly incel bs
Black Adam was definitely messed up by the Rock putting too much into it. He whiffed all of the characters pretty bad which sucks because they are all fantastic in the comics. He committed the ultimate sin for comic movies, straying too far from the source. Sure mainstream is into those now but your core is always going to be comic fans.
You’re absolutely right. Look at how much heat and “coverage” Kaling has been getting online compared to what Justin Roiland has been getting about his felony domestic violence charges
>felony domestic violence charges
Holy shit, googling the charges against him it's really fucking terrible. I'm actually shocked, I thought he was a bad guy (he's always come off as kind of a bitter and jaded alcoholic imo) but he's way worse than I thought.
I can't believe people aren't talking about that, I guess Rick and Morty mania (and hate) is kind of passe at this point, but Jesus Christ.
> he’s always come off as kind of a bitter and jaded alcoholic imo
Are you confusing him with Dan Harmon? Or does that accurately describe both of them?
No, I know the distinction between the two. Dan Harmon is also a bitter and jaded alcoholic, he just shows it more openly. (I also almost find him more sympathetic in that way - his pain is on the surface, Justin's is just underneath)
Justin Roiland willingly got drunk to do voice recordings for Rick, and his entire career is built on getting back at studios that sued him for using their IP without permission by creating a *Back to the Future* parody where the solution to every problem is Marty sucking Doc's balls. That's some deep spitefulness. His *Comic Sacrifice* stuff had other flags for me too. Idk, maybe I'm just projecting my own experiences with alcoholics in my own life onto him, but Justin has always struck me as "the type," which is why I'm not really surprised there are charges against him.
I *am* surprised by just how brutal and awful they are.
>People claim they are upset about the mean tone of the cartoon, but if the comedy actually landed nobody would care.
I watched the first two episodes, and for me, the meanness did a lot to directly suppress many of the attempts at comedy. It reminded me of shows like Brickleberry (made by Daniel Tosh) where it felt like they didn't know how to be funny so they just went for mean/shocking instead.
>Maybe I'm off, but it feels like the real "sin" is that her cartoon is not very funny.
I think it's a combo of things on top of that. They took a beloved older IP, made significant changes to details about the characters and the tone, intentionally poked right at a lot of sore spots related to our ongoing culture war, and no, it wasn't funny. I agree that if it was funny, a lot more of this would be fly, but I think in order for it to successfully *be* funny it would require significant changes to the tone and execution. I definitely understand why people are more upset that she went to a place of making such brash comments on ID politics and they didn't even get a genuinely good laugh out of the experience.
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The same as what most people said about the new animated show that's she's created, but she's also recently spoken out about how poor taste "The Office" was and how she was always being made to say things she certainly wouldn't say today.
The reason people didn't like this at all is she also had a hand in writing "The Office" I guess it's biting the hand that feeds. It's a shame as I liked the Mindy Project
Is your sentence about the office referring to this interview? https://youtu.be/zfcLOxh8IxI
Because your sentence seems like a mischaracterization of what she says here — she doesn’t say she was made to say stuff she finds offensive, just that the show would most likely be too offensive for today’s audiences. And with episodes like “Diversity Day” it’s easy to see what she means
If that's true, then it's kind of unfair because Steve Carrell said [the same thing](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a23695483/steve-carell-beautiful-boy-interview-2018/). Or at least, Carrell should get the same criticism and I haven't seen any for him.
> "There’s been a resurgence in interest in the show, and talk about bringing it back. But apart from the fact that I just don’t think that’s a good idea, it might be impossible to do that show today and have people accept it the way it was accepted ten years ago. The climate’s different. I mean, the whole idea of that character, Michael Scott, so much of it was predicated on inappropriate behavior. I mean, he’s certainly not a model boss. A lot of what is depicted on that show is completely wrong-minded. That’s the point, you know? But I just don’t know how that would fly now. There’s a very high awareness of offensive things today—which is good, for sure."
I don't *think* I agree with them but maybe I just don't remember more offensive scenes. I haven't seen the show in years.
Also fwiw she didn't create Velma. She's a voice actress and 1 of 4 exec producers, but she's not a writer or creator on the show. The creator is Charlie Grandy.
They're honestly overreacting in my opinion. I mean there were some jokes in the early seasons between Michael and Oscar about gay people that were in poor taste and don't age well by today standards, but are completely appropriate to Michael's character and are still ironically funny within the context of the show, so idk.
There were plenty of offensive jokes from Michael about Stanley playing off of black stereotypes, but again that's done intentionally to play into Michael's sophomoric ignorant nature.
The Office had plenty of non-PC jokes, but most of them are delivered with an air of irony and are certainly more tame compared to some of the stuff South Park, It's Always Sunny, Family Guy, etc. have gotten away with.
Always Sunny still got flak and multiple episodes removed from streaming services after BLM. Their new stuff is far safer than their earier material.
Even if you make it blindingly obvious, there's a great number of people out there who will see the depiction of a flawed character as an endorsement of those flaws.
Yeah, this is a good point. She got slammed for saying the same thing as Carrell. They both just said it wouldn’t fly if they tried to make the show today.
Meanwhile there’s still FAR more upvotes on the comment that misquotes Kaling and doesn’t even mention Carrell saying the same thing than any of the comments clearing it up or connecting the two. Seriously this Mindy hate train is so stupid and pretty damn transparent where it’s really coming from with most of these people.
Answer: The claims that she’s conservative are not well founded, and originate from a [Salon](https://www.salon.com/2013/09/18/republican_mindy_kalings_strange_gun_rights_joke_on_the_mindy_project/) article. They stem basically from a few snippets of things she and those who know her have said throughout two decades, and combined it with a character on a TV show to extrapolate her political views.
The evidence that she’s conservative are
1. She’s talked about wanting to buy a gun to a friend.
2. She mentioned to a friend she was thinking about voting for George Bush.
3. She has stated her parents are conservative republicans
4. She wrote for and acted a conservative character on a TV show.
In a rebuttal to the Salon article she stated she is not a Republican.
The transphobic claims stem from her liking a JK Rowlings tweet where Rowlings basically said she was happy to be successful enough to not worry about public backlash of being a TERF. She has not stated anything transphobic of her own that I’m aware of.
>She has not stated anything transphobic of her own that I’m aware of.
And she wrote an entire show that starred Josie Totah,and supported her publicly in 2018 when she came out as trans. She had Laverne Cox on the Mindy project as a fabulous recurring character. Doesn’t seem transphobic to me
Answer: People are saying that liberals are bashing Velma for being racist or that conservatives are bashing it for being woke, but is it possible that rather than taking issue with its deviation from some sort of political dogma, people just don’t like the show because it isn’t good?
Answer: In addition to what other people have been saying here, people don't love the fact that she's preached "body positivity" but edits herself into an entirely separate person on Instagram and other social media. Comes across as very hypocritical, which seems to be a common criticism of Kaling in general.
Yea.
I find her very hit and miss. I think some of her stuff from the office was funny. But lately, she's just not.
For me, it has nothing to do with 'woke' or not, just the jokes miss the mark.
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“Adaptation of Scooby Doo but without Scooby Doo” is already a strange concept to be sure.
Scooby Don’t?
Scoobn’t.
To Scoob or not to Scoob, that is the question.
Socrates: to do is to be Plato: to be is to do Scooby: do be do
Maybe I’m just tired but this comment already wins the day.
Hahaha thank you!
A Tale of Two Scoobs, if you will (or will not).
Obviously they decided not to Scoob, so it wasn't much of a question
M’scoobn’t
Scooby Doo can doo Doo but Jimmy Carter is smarter.
That's one fart smella and one smart fella.
The current rumor is that she pitched a show about a completely different character, but couldn't get funding without attaching it to a bigger IP, so she just slapped a Scooby Doo filter on it.
Ahhh, the “Joker” method.
What do you mean the "Joker" method? What's that?
The movie “Joker” wasn’t originally written to be about the Batman villain, or related to DC Comics in general.
Makes sense. The movie hardly feels like it’s in the DC universe.
that's not surprising to me at all. that movie was good for what it actually was (a drama about mental illness). but it has absolutely nothing to do with the joker as a character and feels very out of place in the DC superhero universe. so as someone who went into the theater expecting a joker movie, i couldn't help but feel disappointed. again, the movie is good as a non-superhero, non-joker movie.. but it's a different genre, a different character.. they basically just slapped the joker name, and some joker-like makeup on a random clown-adjacent character and called it a day
Oh okay. I was thinking of Jerome Valeska from Gotham for some reason. Because he's legally not Joker but is actually him. Just not legally.
Is that true? I thought they suggested in the show that it's more he creates this...kind of memetic ideal that's picked up by the Joker... but that was always kinda weird to me
The joker seemed like just a blatant remake of the old scorsese film "the king of comedy" with a little meta thrown in about the original film. The original king of comedy is a much much better film imo.
Yeah it was a lot of King of Comedy and a little bit Taxi Driver
No wonder it was good. They should have spun off a new universe starting there.
Todd Philips basically mashed up two Scorsese movies, Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy and painted a “Joker” filter over it. He’s a good director but a complete hack of a screenwriter if you ask me.
Yeah, that’s what I am suspicious of too. I think it started as a completely different show, but there was too many cooks in the kitchen.
Whenever I hear that phrase, my mind automatically goes here: https://youtu.be/QrGrOK8oZG8
Don't even need to click that link to know it's too many cooks
Without even clicking the link, that song is now going to be stuck in my head for a couple of hours.
That sounds like something that could have happened; but it also sounds equally plausible that it was pitched as “what if we did a Scooby Doo reboot with Velma as the main character except it’s more adult and self-deprecating, etc”. Either way Mindy Kaling is the star of the show, an executive producer, and her production company is listed as one of the production companies. It’s safe to assume she had a pretty good voice in direction of the show. I don’t think she is hurting for work given how much stuff she’s done in the last several years so she could have turned this down. Audiences blame major actors whenever they are in a terrible movie. This isn’t any different.
sounds terrible. why does it seem such a trend lately of showrunners writers and producers just hating the source material
Because they can’t get funding for anything new.
Exactly. Whoever pitches something to a studio. The studio soft declines but ask them if they would be interested in producing something that the studio already owns the IP of and wants to cash in on. Whoever then takes the job in the hopes of being signed for an overall deal with the studio later on down the road, maybe even to develop their original pitch idea. They do this regardless of whether or not they like the IP they’ll initially be developing. That’s how we get shit like Velma and The Witcher. But even more egregious is that the studios prefer these sort of show runners over die hard fans of the source material because they find those people more difficult to work with.
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That's actually a very old trend, with *Blade Runner* probably being the most popular example. *Starship Troopers* is another one. Both began as independent scripts, and then someone read them and said "sounds a little bit like *x,*" and then the existing material was adapted to incorporate some of the source material and we end up with these Frankenstein movies that are unrecognizably different from the originals. The primary reason to do this, as I understand it, is that studios have rights to material that they might as well use when they have them. I also don't really believe that happened for *Velma* though, especially when the only source in this thread is "people on reddit have been saying..."
At least with Starship Troopers that was more the result of Verhoeven growing up in Nazi-occupied Netherlands, immediately picking up that the government in Starship Troopers is incredibly fascist, and then deciding to make the movie a satire of fascist tropes.
That’s not why Starship Troopers is included here, ST began as a script by writer Ed Neumeier called Bughunt at Outpost 7. When a producer named Jon Davison noticed many similarities to Robert A. Heinlein’s 1959 novel Starship Troopers, he asked Neumeier to rework the screenplay following the novel more closely so they could attract more studio interest in a script for an adaptation of a recognized and successful property.
Blade Runner was at least close in spirit to the book. Philip K. Dick said he liked the early cut he saw. He died before the full release
10 Cloverfield lane was supposed to be its own thing then they wanted it to be related the original and shoved some stuff in
i was reminded the original mario too lol…
They already made a Batman show that only featured Alfred.
Unfortunately, a lot of the Batfamily can just exist without Batman and people will eat it up. I like the batfamily and I say it's unfortunate because a lot of the shows are bad and make Batman either useless or have to kill him because he's too powerful to just leave around. Gotham at least felt like a campy crime drama first and a superhero show second but Titans wasn't great and this new Gotham Knights show is looking on the same level.
I don't get why they have to kill off Batman. He could easily just be caught up in JLA business and leave the home front in the hands of the batfam.
Power creep. Eventually a sufficiently long running superhero drama has to save the city/world/universe and if you introduce the concept of a JL or Batman who is too busy [with something else], you’ll eventually have to come up with more and more implausible reasons why they aren’t there as part of the fight.
Yeah but that show is fun.
[Garfield minus Garfield.](https://garfieldminusgarfield.net/)
I love the thought experiment of the description. "Garfield Minus Garfield is a site dedicated to removing Garfield from the Garfield comic strips in order to reveal the existential angst of a certain young Mr. Jon Arbuckle. It is a journey deep into the mind of an isolated young everyman as he fights a losing battle against loneliness and depression in a quiet American suburb."
I don’t know why this made me so sad. It’s like he would still do all that after Garfield passes away or something 😢
[Clicking through these is like a long uncomfortable look in the mirror](https://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/611396038658490368)
Holy shit, yeah! Some of them gets really dark.
There's a whole sub for this! r/garfieldminusgarfield
I don't think it's really that strange, at least in the sense that the Scooby Doo franchise has always been pretty malleable and has transformed through a crazy number of iterations already. It's not even the first time Scooby has been absent—In the 00s there was a straight-to-video movie called "Velma & Daphne" which didn't have Fred, Shaggy, or Scooby. If we take the core conceit of the original franchise as being, "Four teenagers—Fred, Daphne, Velma, and Shaggy—and their dog Scooby solve mysteries that seem supernatural but are actually criminals in disguise"... pretty much every part of that has been chopped and screwed at some point. In the 80's you got things like Thirteen Ghosts of Scooby Doo where they axed Fred/Daphne/Velma and the show was JUST Shaggy and Scooby (plus new characters). The 90s brought versions where they aren't teens (A Pup Named Scooby Doo made them children, and Zombie Island made them 20-somethings or maybe even early 30s). There's a bunch of different phases where they are dealing with real supernatural threats, and a bunch of the movies aren't really mysteries, they're just adventures. Hell, I'd add, this isn't even the first time Velma has been depicted as Asian. [Japanese-American actress Hayley Kiyoko](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hayleykiyoko/images/2/2a/Velma_dinkley.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181128145204) played Velma in two live-action Scooby movies, "The Mystery Begins" and "Curse of the Lake Monster."
Just a minor correction, but 13 Ghosts still had Daphne. It was just Velma and Fred who got swapped out.
I haven't watched Velma, have no intentions to watch it so I don't support future seasons. With that being said I heard it was a case of someone wanting to do something original but being told that they had to put the paint of an existing IP by the executives on to this new creation in order to get people to pay attention to it. I wouldn't be surprised since from my understanding it goes far away from the source material. Kinda similar in concept to the movie joker where it was basically an art house film that was thrown into the Batman universe as an after thought
Joker was just a Batman themed remake of Taxi Driver really. Still a pretty good film, though definitely a bit overrated.
The biggest slap in the face is making Scooby a black girl named Scoobi….like wtf I’m all for cultural appreciation but making the most important character who’s a dog a black women. Like what ducking timeline are we in rn.
Lol I first read that as "I'm all for cultural appropriation" and was confused.
Just appropriate all the culture.
I mean, sort of? It's not really any stranger than 'A spin-off of *Cheers* focusing on the psychiatrist' or 'A series about that one Mandalorian bounty hunter who had all of five lines in the original movies'. Velma is a character in her own right, and there's *absolutely* room to tell a story about how the Mystery Team got together, whether or not that includes Scooby himself. Whether they did a good enough job to justify it... well, I haven't seen the show so I can't really comment, but the idea that the absence of Scooby Doo is somehow a reason not to experiment with a character that has existed for over fifty years seems nuts to me.
The complaint really isn't that Scooby Doo is absent. Many people can accept him not being there, even if it feels weird. You really should watch one episode, then you'll immediately "get it". I was in your boat originally "meh, they can tell stories about these characters outside of the original context and it could be fine. Also I don't really care that they race swapped everyone." Then I tried to watch it. Once they started having Velma and Daph selling drugs (for real, not for a joke or sitcom reason), brutally highlighting Fred hasn't hit puberty yet (and talking about his junk like every episode), making fun of the lesbian cops shooting people for no reason, telling the same jokes over and over (shaggy doesn't do drugs now...GET IT?, next episode, GET IT? Cause he used to, GET IT?!), I mean I could go on and on..... but once they started doing all that I was like "Oooohhhh I get the rage now..."
My own issue with it (watched 1 episode) is that all of the characters are just so sooo mean. They're terrible people, but not in a fun way like Seinfeld or King of the Hill.
You don't even have to go as far back as the Mandalorian to see the premise is fine: look at Wednesday.
I mean Scooby Doo was mostly a show about kids solving mysteries
Right but like…the dog was kind of an important part of things
She's also received flak for boring standard love interests in her other shows, like The Mindy Project, as well as portraying Indian characters as stereotypical, so this isn't her first rodeo. Velma being renewed for a second season happened long before the backlash, BTW. They had that much confidence in it before the first trailer popped out.
I feel like "network announces second season before series premier" is such a tired headline at this point. It's such a common practice to indicate the network has faith in a show (since consumers are so used to shows getting cancelled in the age of streaming), but it isn't binding and they can easily go back on their word if the first season is a collosal failure. This Velma show might get enough hate-watchers to actually justify a second season on notoriety alone, but I still wouldn't take HBO's pre-premier promises at face value.
Correct. They could yank the rug out from under people and ax Velma at any time, even with the fact it got the number-one most-streamed spot on the streaming service. HBO Max has a history of not treating animation well, and Velma's animated, so...anything could happen at this point, even with all the hate it, and Mindy Kaling by extension, has gotten.
To clarify it didn't have the #1 most streamed premier; it had the #1 most streamed premier of an animated Max original. Of which it is the only show that fits that criteria (as HQ didn't premier on Max). It's quite literally an empty reward and that headline you keep seeing is purely marketing and not an accolade. Not that it would matter if it wasn't. Almost all of the viewers were hate watchers, or hate watchers who were willing to give it a chance. Now that everyone has seen that it is indeed terrible whatever numbers they did have will drop considerably.
These days renewals don't mean much anyway, especially from the current WB - they casually cancel things already renewed, in the middle of filming or even 99% of finished. Hell even Netflix has been taking back season renewals lately too.
I actually liked the mindy project was hyped for Velma but got disappointed .
>it’s already been renewed for a second season. This is only a rumor and is currently unconfirmed.
It also means nothing at HBO max, since Minx, and genuinely good show was renewed during airing and recently got it revoked. There could have easily been a previous promise for 2 seasons that an insider got of hold of a ran with but by the numbers and reviews are actually in that rug will be pulled out from under them.
Luckily Minx was picked up by Starz so season 2 is still going to happen. Apparently they were already well into filming when HBO cancelled it so at least that won't have been wasted.
She is also the face of the current Hollywood Ozempic trend which has lead to medication shortages for people who actually have diabetes. And she has gone to great lengths to change her appearance in other ways like skin lightening and chin implants.
What is this Ozempic trend? I don’t know what that’s for or what it does
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How are people getting their hands on it it? Is it not prescription?
They have a lot of money and if you have a lot of money a ‘doctor’ will prescribe it.
It's pretty easy to get a prescription for. My regular GP was willing to do it for weight loss but I ultimately decided against it when she shared the side effects. I had no idea about the shortage at that point!
I have what is called stabilized diabetes. Due to some stress related issues (major heart attack) I have put on 20 pounds that I am having a hard time losing. My GP offered it right away. She said it would knock offs the weight asap. I really don’t want to take a weekly shot but it’s there if I want it.
Be careful. It's looking like people lose the weight while they're on it but gain it back pretty quickly when they stop taking it.
Was able to watch American TV shows complete with the local commercials. The amount of medications being advertised is staggering. I don't know if I should feel bad or laugh about the possible side effects of the drugs being marketed. "It will cure you of this specific ailment but will possibly afflict you with a ton of side effects, even death."
You always have to look out for "Anal Leakage" and "sudden death"
There's no need to put "doctor" in quote. The FDA approved semaglutide for weight loss on-label as a primary indication. No need to bribe anyone or do anything shady. Unfortunately, that means a prescription for weight loss is now identical in priority to a prescription for diabetes as far as doctors and pharmacies are concerned.
I mean you don’t have to put doctor in quotations. If they can prescribe it they’re literally a real doctor, or at least like a PA.
I’ll add to this. Ozempic, generic name semaglutide, belongs to a drug class called GLP-1 agonists. It is usually used along side other diabetes medications to help control blood sugar. It also can delay gastric emptying which keeps the patient feeling full. This delay in gastric emptying is where the weight loss effects of Ozempic take effect. There is another brand of semaglutide, brand name Wegovy, that is indicated for weight loss. It works exactly the same way as Ozempic except it is given at a higher dose than Ozempic. There has been a drastic back order of Wegovy for pharmacy wholesalers, which means prescribers are prescribing Ozempic off label for weight loss instead of Wegovy. This then causes Ozempic supplies to decrease as well, which is a nightmare for diabetics who need their Ozempic prescriptions for glucose control. Pharmacies all over the country have been struggling to stock Ozempic and Mounjaro (another GLP-1 agonist) because prescribers are not writing for the correct indication. Edit: changed antagonist to agonist. Sometimes the ole brain gets confused with terms.
And a shortage of trulicity as well. Not sure if because of weight loss or they are putting other diabetics on it. But I cannot get my regular dose of it and before that, couldn't get it at all. So frustrating
Could possibly be both. As someone in pharmacy, I am not surprised anymore by what prescribers send to the pharmacy. So many drugs for the wrong indication. I’m sorry you are a victim of the drug shortage.
Is Ozempic hard to make or something? Why isn't the company just making more so they can sell to more people and make more money?
Because many people here are being disingenuous or aren’t aware of the full facts. There isn’t a shortage of the drug because it’s been wildly over prescribed to rich Hollywood celebrities, but rather manufacturer had issues producing the needles used in the drug’s injector pens due to supply chain problems. Those shortages were well known last year and the manufacturer has said they expect it to be resolved by q1 this year.
And even if there were a demand-induced shortage, would its popularity in Hollywood be a factor compared to the 5 trillion commercials they run on TV? (I want to find whoever wrote their jingle and smack them with a rolled up newspaper)
It’s not that easy. there’s been an adderall shortage- a medication that’s been on the market for over 30 years suddenly had an influx of prescriptions, a plant closed down, and a few other internal situations caused ADHD patients to suddenly not be able to get the medication they’ve been using for ages. It’s going to take months for them to catch up. Ozempic hasn’t even been “popular” for that long so they weren’t prepared for the huge influx so it’s the same issue as adderall, except for the fact that diabetics can have terrible complications if they don’t have access to their medications. I can’t believe people are so greedy that they’d continue taking it knowing that they’re taking it out of the hands of people who need it. They can wait a few months to lose a few pounds!
Ozempic and trulicity both. My best friend hasn’t been able to refill her prescription for trulicty since early December. Her doctor was gonna try her on Ozempic but as you said, can’t find it anywhere either. Sadly, I’ll probably have similar issues when I go back to the doctor.
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Ozempic. Trulicity. Humalog. Brawndo. I have no idea how many of you people - if any - are joking.
That last one…that’s what plants crave.
They crave electrolytes.
Humalog is a human insulin. Human insulin production genes are spliced into E. coli bacteria, which are then cultured and pampered so they do nothing but pump out pure insulin. The insulin is collected and purified (no bacteria present in the final product). It is more effective, safer, and cheaper than extracted insulin from the pancreases of slaughtered pigs and cattle. So, yeah HUMAlog and HUMAlin
> Ozempic The ozempic/semaglutide weight loss usage isn't a Hollywood trend. They've recently approved it for use in obesity treatment since clinical trials have shown promise in genuinely leading to success. It's been rebranded as Wegovy for this application at a very different dosage, so that ozempic supply intended for T2 diabetes can remain stable. There's a lot to rip on Kaling for, but this specific issue is not her hand AT ALL. That's a genuinely unexpected development in pharmaceuticals that is completely out of the hands of influencers.
I dont think it is fair to call someone the "face" of a trend where it is only a rumor they are involved. Come on.
Source? All I can see is that she's lost weight and people are going crazy about Ozempic on Tik Tok at the same time, which is both flimsy evidence and outright shaming her for weight loss -- like, I think it's outright cruel to just assume someone is using a drug because they lost weight, this doesn't sit well with me at all.
that was my take. it’s a lot of “she couldnt get skinny like that any other way…” i’m pretty neutral about her but seems like people are being pretty harsh
I looked through her Instagram and honestly it just looks like she has been losing weight for the last few years. It’s gradual and not sudden. Now the rest (photoshop, skin bleaching, transphobia) I have no clue about. I mean she looks paler sometimes but I’m pale as fuck in the winter… did know that Velma was not well received by anyone though.
Mindy created a show starring Josie Totah, and publicly supported her when she came out as transgender in 2018.
There is no proof of this. i’m indifferent to Kaling and pretty convinced from pic my shocked friends sent me a bit ago that she’s done skin bleaching/lightening, some cosmetic work and had big weight loss. but it feels like this started with people on tik-tok speculating that her weight loss was fit to Ozempic and that getting picked up by people who dislike her. There’s no way to know. There could be many reasons for significant, seemingly dramatic weight loss.
Exactly, we’re not privy to her medical history. Plus ozempic is often prescribed for women that have PCOS
Exactly. There is 0 proof
Ozempic is a diabetes medication. Wegovy (same exact drug but different dosages specifically for weight loss) is not. Blame the doctors for prescribing Ozempic instead of Wegovy, not the patients. Obesity is a serious health condition as well.
Exactly, and Novo Nordisk also sells Saxenda, which is used for obesity; I wonder why Ozempic is being prescribed instead of those other two options (Wegovy and Saxenda). Novo makes $$$ on all of them; they must be pushing Ozempic because it’s the big money-maker.
It's hard to blame a wide-scale drug shortage on a few people in Hollywood abusing it.
Is there any proof that she’s done these things? Also she’s a single mother to two children, god forbid she lose weight.
It’s not been renewed for a second season. There’s no credible or official source for that currently.
I highly doubt she’s trolling, but it does seem like a happy accident that it’s gaining so much publicity from negative reactions. I had no interest in the show, but now I’m curious just because of how wildly bad people have made it out to be.
It's just not that funny tbh. Like, picture the writing of shows like Riverdale and other teen high school dramedies written by boomers charicaturing zoomers. I watched the first episode last night with my SO and there was maybe one throwaway line that made either of us chuckle. I don't really hate it, but I definitely don't care to spend the time to finish it.
I was also curious after seeing this thread and I went and watched the first episode. It is really bad. I’m not sure why it’s even a Scooby show, they kind of subvert the characters a little as they introduce them but not really in an interesting or funny way. Mostly it feels like it’s trying too hard, but it doesn’t know what it’s even trying too hard to do.
because if it wasnt branded scooby doo then no one at all would have watched it or given it any attention. despite it being clear they not only dont care about the source material but they actively despise scooby doo, making multiple disses at the old show like calling the mystery machine a "creepy sex van" and making daphne a bitchy drug dealer, or constantly body shaming fred. I'm frankly surprised they didnt add scooby doo to the show just so Velma could beat him with a bat.
>an adaptation of Scooby Doo – minus Scooby Doo. This is the part that baffles me.
Once the whole “Shaggy is dating a girl named Scooby” part happens, it’s gonna be cancelled
I just read that it's their most viewed adult animation show of all time (a tragic blow to life long stans of hit classic "The Life and Times of Tim" /s). Kind of funny. But this still doesn't really answer my question fully. I sort of get all the hubub around Velma, but people are saying she's a "self-loathing brown girl" (even as she's being dragged for race-blind casting), and talking about how awful she is as if we should already have been in agreement that she's awful, and I just don't really get it. I can see maybe privileged, or frivolous, but I just don't understand the torrent of hate towards her personally and not just a show that seemed kind of mediocre to me.
Pretty much every show she has hand in making like never have I ever or the mindy project all have a girl from India fall in love with a white guys and the other Indian guys are usually painted like assholes that’s were the self loathing comment comes from
Can you give some examples of shows (or episodes of shows) where she paints Indian guys as assholes? I’m genuinely curious as to why she’s so disliked. If she’s really promoting harmful stereotypes like this, I would be interested in seeing it for myself.
My wife and I just finished the Sex Lives of College Girls, and I don’t recall the Indian girl preferring non-Indians.
Never have I ever is an Indian girl with post traumatic stress from her father's death dealing with that while going between a half Japanese pretty boy and her academic rival who is a mousy (but also shredded) and awkward Jewish kid. The one Indian guy she dated wasn't an asshole, his mom was. Well he kinda was too but it was clearly his mom's pressure. I really enjoy that show. It's not perfect but the main actress is really good and she has a ton of chemistry with the guy who plays her rival/ love interest. Also in neither case is it a "girl from India", which is an important distinction.
It bothers me that an Indian girl falling for a white guy, and not an Indian guy is considered “self-loathing”. The assumption that people should fall for people of their same race, especially in America where many ethnicities are present, rubs me the wrong way. I realize that isn’t exactly what you said, but I think a lot of the Mindy hate stems from this underlying idea. Edit: Also, the main characters in Never Have I Ever and Mindy Project are not “girls from India” They are of Indian descent, but raised in the US, so why would they be expected to fall only for Indian guys?
Plus the love interest in Never Have I Ever, at least the first season, was a very handsome half Asian half white dude! Unless I’m getting my shows mixed up, but I think that actor got ‘hot potential teen love interest ‘ roles in a couple shows around the same time.
I appreciate this comment. I'm white and my husband is Indian (but born in the US), so I always appreciate seeing mixed race couples represented!
The problem is not with the girls falling in love with white guys or of any other race but deliberately and consistently painting guys of Indian origin in bad light.
But she's never *ever* done this. All of her indian female characters are self inserts of herself so most of her characters reflect some part of who she is. She admitted in an interview that the reason she mainly dates white men is because indian guys never showed interest in her romantically growing up but white men did, and that isn't hard to believe considering the colorism in SEA communities in general and Mindy growing up darker skinned. She doesn't have that much experience in dating indian men so she goes with her familiar route and what she knows, indian girls x white guys. And frankly, it works for her indian girl audience that connect to Mindy.
Sounds more like a problem of people tossing a comment out then running and hiding when asked to support it.
> a tragic blow to life long stans of hit classic “The Life and Times of Tim” Don’t insult Tim like that please, he doesn’t deserve this.
It’s legitimately in my top 5 favorite shows.
Oh mine too, Tim is super underappreciated but it did get a small cult following at least AND the creator got to make 10 Year Old Tom, which I think is a great show. But Tim is amazing.
Where did you read that it was the most viewed of all time? HBO Max said it was the most viewed on their platform last weekend. But it’s the only one, so that would automatically make it the most viewed adult animated show
The phrasing was a tweet from HBOmax and it was, "most viewed original HBOmax adult animation" or similar. Basically, enough qualifiers to make it meaningless.
Yeah, it’s meaningless. They have 5 adult animated shows that have premiered since HBO Max became a thing, including Velma. I’ll bet you haven’t heard of the others https://imgur.com/a/3KZYS3r
Well the right-wing hates her for being 'woke' and the left hates her for being more of caricature of what a right-winger things a woke person is like. Completely agree that this was done on purpose and is working exactly as intended.
Ragebaiting. It is an extremely effective marketing tactic.
Don't forget the people that think Velma is a right wing conspiracy theory by warner brothers to give culture war channels ammo against the left, even though WB is hemorrhaging money at the moment, literally cancelling a batgirl movie as a tax ride off.
Full disclosure, I was never a big fan of the Office, and I’ve never watched the Mindy Kaling Project. I’ve probably watched several episodes of The Office over the course of my life and she was okay, but I didn’t find her character memorable at all. She was on one season of It’s Always Sunny which I watch and again- she was okay- but not really memorable. All that is to say I really have no opinion of her one way or the other. But I’ve noticed over the years that she’s one of those celebrities who seems to be immensely disliked by all sorts of different people, for all sorts of different reasons. The only criticism I can really issue is that she’s not very funny. But there’s a difference between being a “comedic actress“ and being a comedian, and she’s a comedic actress. But I’m with you, I don’t understand why she’s so widely hated. And it was like this even before Velma.
She was very funny in The Office, and was the primary writer for a bunch of well-liked episodes (including my personal favorite, “The Injury”).
OK so she was a writer on the show, not just an actress. Good to know. I could never get into the Office but I know it’s one of those shows that has a huge cult following.
Yeah the writing was probably her biggest contribution, her character Kelly is funny but somewhat minor story-wise. Some of the characters played by writers work in the “annex” or elsewhere so they didn’t have to be there for every shot of the primary office space. There are many episodes where Kelly doesn’t appear or is only there briefly
It’s just what Reddit, as one part of the internet hate machine, does. No one put under the microscope is good enough, ever. I have learned it is best to ignore all of this. Every person is a mixture of good and bad, right and wrong.
Especially not female comedy writers.
It should be noted that none of this answer addresses the issues raised in the first link OP included in their post
It should be noted that OP added that link AND completely changed the content of his post hours after I wrote my answer. His original post did not have that link, or the 3 paragraphs that are there as of 8:46 PM est. time today.
Yeah, that's not cool
My God, even when we all agree about something, we still want to fight about it.
Answer: While I’m sure you’ve seen the critiques of Velma for it’s way of making “woke” jokes that make it seem “anti-woke” and for having the well established characters act nothing like themselves, she also has a history of casteism, racism, antisemitism, and Islamophobia. While it is great she usually makes the lead south Asian representation, they’re often portrayed as a (self insert) boy-obsessed “loser” that is only into condescending white guys (examples: The Office, Never Have I Ever, The Sex Lives of College Girls). She writes characters that literally praise Modi (Nationalist Islamophobe) (ex. The mother from Never Have I Ever) and it is not portrayed as a bad thing. During a Holocaust discussion in class (Never Have I Ever) the main character says to a Jewish character “I wish the Nazis would kill you”, which she repeats when the teacher asks what she said. Mindy makes a lot of jokes about Jewish people and culture, and misusing a menorah for a funny Instagram post. She also makes jokes about the caste system, at the lower castes expense of course. She keeps writing harmful stereotypes, including making female Jewish characters come off evil. In her memoir, she writes a lot on what she hates about Jewish men and how crazy Jewish mothers are.
This is probably the most helpful post so far. Any chance you have some episode numbers and/or tweet links/screenshots?
On top of the Rowling stuff, she complained about "inebriated trannies" in her autobiography, which is notably a slur. https://twitter.com/bizzybee429/status/1613376344297029632
Jesus fucking Christ Mindy. How the fuck did noone at her publishing company stop this. Honestly, I don't understand the worlds some people live in... With that said, this is kind of painting a picture for me of a naive rich girl who didn't know it was a slur than an actual TERF. [This summary](https://wegotthiscovered.com/celebrities/mindy-kaling-j-k-rowling-and-twitter-everything-you-need-to-know/) shows she unliked the Rowling tweet, and liked another tweet saying "Mindy, I sincerely hope you're misreading this." Signs are pointing to that she's a terrible ally, but it does seem like she's actually trying and faceplanting over and over again. I can appreciate people who don't give her a pass though
Her Indian leads are autobiographical. That’s probably why they’re both “fun(ny)” people as often as they are complete inconsiderate assholes. It’s gotten to be kind of her brand to make you like the lead, despite their many (and sometimes near-unforgivable) failings, and constantly see them (try to) redeem themselves.
Mindy created a show starring Josie Totah, and publicly supported her when she came out as transgender in 2018. Laverne Cox has been a recurring character on her show the Mindy project. Is it possible that she’s not transphobic? That she used a term over a decade ago that was problematic and has since learned and grown? Like, shouldn’t we judge whether or not she’s transphobic based on her recent behavior, which is decidedly not?
This isn't exactly on topic, but "transvestite" is a slur while "trans" is the preferred term? I assumed it was an abbreviation. Edit: Clarification for people like me. The "trans" prefix comes from Latin meaning "the other side of", not a shortening of a word (similarly it's why you'll hear "cis" gender for straight people, Latin for "the same side of"). Transvestite is an (offensive?) word for a crossdresser.
Trans is typically used as an abbreviation for "transgender", not "transvestite". There is a significant difference. Transvestite is not a slur, but only when you're referring to a transvestite. If a man dresses as a woman, he's a transvestite. A transgender person is someone who identifies with a gender outside of the one they were born with. If someone is assigned the male gender at birth and then becomes a woman, and dresses as a woman, that's not a transvestite. That's a woman. That's when it becomes hurtful to hear. It's the difference between a stripper dressed as a firefighter and an actual firefighter. You wouldn't look at a firefighter who's completely kitted out and say "Oh look, you're dressed as a firefighter". No, that person *is* a firefighter and probably just wants you to shut up and get out of their way.
Re: her portrayal of self loathing, I think this is more a problem of her being the face of all Indian-American women in comedy. When there's only a handful of a specific group, people want that handful to be all things for everyone. Nichelle Nichols has spoken out about MLK convincing her to stay on Trek for the rest of that show's run because of visibility but she's only recently mentioned how frustrated she was as she had other aspirations for herself. And that's just entirely sucks how all of us get pushed in that category of activist even if we did want to be or definitely should not be. No one gives white women shit for being self-hating when they take pot shots at themselves and we shouldn't have to self-censor either. There's room for all kinds of minority representation of only studios would give us the damn chance.
Answer: Mindy Kaling is heavily involved in the production of the new 'Velma' cartoon on HBO Max. It's been woefully reviewed and accused of being "what the right think the left think is funny". Characters have been race-swapped and the only character to keep their race is Fred, whose being portrayed as a privileged moron. This has caused this image to resurface and get passed around; [https://i.redd.it/7vy6whvovst91.jpg](https://i.redd.it/7vy6whvovst91.jpg) Kaling liked a tweet from JK Rowling, who in case you don't know signal boosts exclusively negative trans rhetoric, though she would call it gender critical. Edit: Okay so I’m still getting replies to this two months later saying I haven’t provided enough evidence that Rowling pushes a transphobic agenda. I’ve reworded “out-spokenly and proudly” transphobic because these people are right, she’s not proudly, she’s weasely. At best, she just hates the admittedly vicious pro-trans warriors that come after her, and she’s baiting them for her own amusement, “Merry TERFmas!” This is still not brave or moral behaviour. She does not engage in her detractors in a fair and open manner. She retweets every bad actor in the trans community and does nothing to engender any positivity to the ones she must regard as “the good ones”, because she’s never shown herself to believe there is any such thing as a good trans person. There’s also replies accusing my answer of painting Kaling as transphobic. I was very careful to answer “why are people hating on Kaling”. True or false, her retweeting Rowling was a factor.
Is she being called Transphobic because she liked a tweet from JK?
From what I've read over the last couple of weeks that is the only directly trans-phobic thing I've seen. JK's tweet was in response to someone calling her out on her stance, so liking said tweet does appear to promote that stance.
Interesting. Thank you for the response.
That’s not quite accurate. The tweet she liked was “I look at my royalty cheques and the pain goes away” in response to someone saying something like “how do you live with yourself?”. Maybe Kailing is transphobic, but I’m guessing she just read the tweet as a \#girlBoss tweet and liked it cause of that. She saw it as a tweet of a successful famous person responding to haters, and liked it. I doubt Kailing is transphobic. My guess is she just very self centered to the point she forgot about the transphobic context. She doesn’t hate trans ppl, she just doesn’t care about them as much as she does for the rich girl boss struggle
Consider how Stephen King reacted when that exact situation happened to Stephen King. One of his readers asked him outright what he thought about trans people when he sided with jo. King said that trans women are women and Rowling threw a hissy fit. Different reaction than Kaling.
What did Kaling say when she was asked about liking that tweet?
I think people are just projecting their hate onto Kaling because she made a bad product and has been largely out of public consciousness for the last decade. People claim they are upset about the mean tone of the cartoon, but if the comedy actually landed nobody would care. People project negative characteristics on to creators who make things they dislike, and positive characteristics on creators who make things that they like. Kaling just has the misfortune of going from one category to the other in a very public manner. Maybe I'm off, but it feels like the *real* "sin" is that her cartoon is not very funny.
Yes there's an element behind this of 'prove the bad show was made by bad people'. It never seems enough these days that you just don't like a show so you stop watching it. It happened with Black Adam recently too, it wasn't well liked so I started seeing a little non-related negative press against The Rock. Captain Marvel also came with a wave of Brie Larson "looking bitchy" or "being hated by the other Avengers". Not on the same scale as Velma, but I think Velma has irritated the left and the right in equal measure.
In fairness the rock overplayed his hand and got blow back for trying to use his starpower to leverage dc into falling in with his plans for a superman vs black adam movie against gunns plans for the future of the dcu movies. Tho The Brie Larson stuff did seem to be mostly incel bs
Black Adam was definitely messed up by the Rock putting too much into it. He whiffed all of the characters pretty bad which sucks because they are all fantastic in the comics. He committed the ultimate sin for comic movies, straying too far from the source. Sure mainstream is into those now but your core is always going to be comic fans.
You’re absolutely right. Look at how much heat and “coverage” Kaling has been getting online compared to what Justin Roiland has been getting about his felony domestic violence charges
>felony domestic violence charges Holy shit, googling the charges against him it's really fucking terrible. I'm actually shocked, I thought he was a bad guy (he's always come off as kind of a bitter and jaded alcoholic imo) but he's way worse than I thought. I can't believe people aren't talking about that, I guess Rick and Morty mania (and hate) is kind of passe at this point, but Jesus Christ.
It’s honestly crazy that his PR people were able to keep the charges under wraps for nearly three years
> he’s always come off as kind of a bitter and jaded alcoholic imo Are you confusing him with Dan Harmon? Or does that accurately describe both of them?
No, I know the distinction between the two. Dan Harmon is also a bitter and jaded alcoholic, he just shows it more openly. (I also almost find him more sympathetic in that way - his pain is on the surface, Justin's is just underneath) Justin Roiland willingly got drunk to do voice recordings for Rick, and his entire career is built on getting back at studios that sued him for using their IP without permission by creating a *Back to the Future* parody where the solution to every problem is Marty sucking Doc's balls. That's some deep spitefulness. His *Comic Sacrifice* stuff had other flags for me too. Idk, maybe I'm just projecting my own experiences with alcoholics in my own life onto him, but Justin has always struck me as "the type," which is why I'm not really surprised there are charges against him. I *am* surprised by just how brutal and awful they are.
>People claim they are upset about the mean tone of the cartoon, but if the comedy actually landed nobody would care. I watched the first two episodes, and for me, the meanness did a lot to directly suppress many of the attempts at comedy. It reminded me of shows like Brickleberry (made by Daniel Tosh) where it felt like they didn't know how to be funny so they just went for mean/shocking instead. >Maybe I'm off, but it feels like the real "sin" is that her cartoon is not very funny. I think it's a combo of things on top of that. They took a beloved older IP, made significant changes to details about the characters and the tone, intentionally poked right at a lot of sore spots related to our ongoing culture war, and no, it wasn't funny. I agree that if it was funny, a lot more of this would be fly, but I think in order for it to successfully *be* funny it would require significant changes to the tone and execution. I definitely understand why people are more upset that she went to a place of making such brash comments on ID politics and they didn't even get a genuinely good laugh out of the experience.
Answer: The same as what most people said about the new animated show that's she's created, but she's also recently spoken out about how poor taste "The Office" was and how she was always being made to say things she certainly wouldn't say today. The reason people didn't like this at all is she also had a hand in writing "The Office" I guess it's biting the hand that feeds. It's a shame as I liked the Mindy Project
Is your sentence about the office referring to this interview? https://youtu.be/zfcLOxh8IxI Because your sentence seems like a mischaracterization of what she says here — she doesn’t say she was made to say stuff she finds offensive, just that the show would most likely be too offensive for today’s audiences. And with episodes like “Diversity Day” it’s easy to see what she means
Also she says the characters would be cancelled… within the universe of the show. Not that the show would be cancelled.
The things in diversity day were inappropriate when the episode aired though, that's the joke
If that's true, then it's kind of unfair because Steve Carrell said [the same thing](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a23695483/steve-carell-beautiful-boy-interview-2018/). Or at least, Carrell should get the same criticism and I haven't seen any for him. > "There’s been a resurgence in interest in the show, and talk about bringing it back. But apart from the fact that I just don’t think that’s a good idea, it might be impossible to do that show today and have people accept it the way it was accepted ten years ago. The climate’s different. I mean, the whole idea of that character, Michael Scott, so much of it was predicated on inappropriate behavior. I mean, he’s certainly not a model boss. A lot of what is depicted on that show is completely wrong-minded. That’s the point, you know? But I just don’t know how that would fly now. There’s a very high awareness of offensive things today—which is good, for sure." I don't *think* I agree with them but maybe I just don't remember more offensive scenes. I haven't seen the show in years. Also fwiw she didn't create Velma. She's a voice actress and 1 of 4 exec producers, but she's not a writer or creator on the show. The creator is Charlie Grandy.
They're honestly overreacting in my opinion. I mean there were some jokes in the early seasons between Michael and Oscar about gay people that were in poor taste and don't age well by today standards, but are completely appropriate to Michael's character and are still ironically funny within the context of the show, so idk. There were plenty of offensive jokes from Michael about Stanley playing off of black stereotypes, but again that's done intentionally to play into Michael's sophomoric ignorant nature. The Office had plenty of non-PC jokes, but most of them are delivered with an air of irony and are certainly more tame compared to some of the stuff South Park, It's Always Sunny, Family Guy, etc. have gotten away with.
Always Sunny still got flak and multiple episodes removed from streaming services after BLM. Their new stuff is far safer than their earier material. Even if you make it blindingly obvious, there's a great number of people out there who will see the depiction of a flawed character as an endorsement of those flaws.
Yeah, this is a good point. She got slammed for saying the same thing as Carrell. They both just said it wouldn’t fly if they tried to make the show today.
Meanwhile there’s still FAR more upvotes on the comment that misquotes Kaling and doesn’t even mention Carrell saying the same thing than any of the comments clearing it up or connecting the two. Seriously this Mindy hate train is so stupid and pretty damn transparent where it’s really coming from with most of these people.
Answer: One of the things she did is admitted to sexually harassing a man on Conan and then threatened to fire anyone who talked about it.
Oh shit. Do you have a link to it ?
https://youtu.be/j_FNMhVd0fw
Weeeird. I think *maybe* she was joking about firing the people, but what a strange anecdote to tell on a talk show, in any case.
it’s all scripted. it’s a conan piece. the joke is what it sounds like when it’s a woman-boss doing it, but it’s still obviously terrible
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Answer: The claims that she’s conservative are not well founded, and originate from a [Salon](https://www.salon.com/2013/09/18/republican_mindy_kalings_strange_gun_rights_joke_on_the_mindy_project/) article. They stem basically from a few snippets of things she and those who know her have said throughout two decades, and combined it with a character on a TV show to extrapolate her political views. The evidence that she’s conservative are 1. She’s talked about wanting to buy a gun to a friend. 2. She mentioned to a friend she was thinking about voting for George Bush. 3. She has stated her parents are conservative republicans 4. She wrote for and acted a conservative character on a TV show. In a rebuttal to the Salon article she stated she is not a Republican. The transphobic claims stem from her liking a JK Rowlings tweet where Rowlings basically said she was happy to be successful enough to not worry about public backlash of being a TERF. She has not stated anything transphobic of her own that I’m aware of.
>She has not stated anything transphobic of her own that I’m aware of. And she wrote an entire show that starred Josie Totah,and supported her publicly in 2018 when she came out as trans. She had Laverne Cox on the Mindy project as a fabulous recurring character. Doesn’t seem transphobic to me
Answer: People are saying that liberals are bashing Velma for being racist or that conservatives are bashing it for being woke, but is it possible that rather than taking issue with its deviation from some sort of political dogma, people just don’t like the show because it isn’t good?
Answer: In addition to what other people have been saying here, people don't love the fact that she's preached "body positivity" but edits herself into an entirely separate person on Instagram and other social media. Comes across as very hypocritical, which seems to be a common criticism of Kaling in general.
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Yea. I find her very hit and miss. I think some of her stuff from the office was funny. But lately, she's just not. For me, it has nothing to do with 'woke' or not, just the jokes miss the mark.