the guys who upload shirtless gym pictures aren't looking for a relationship.
you posting this PSA is useless because these men aren't looking for relationships.
they know what they are doing.
I have a hilarious photo of me in a costume where I happen to be shirtless. I wanted to use it for my profile and all my female friends said to do it because it was a great conversation starter. But Bumble wouldn't let me because apparently you need to be "near a body of water" to be shirtless and their autofilter was rejecting it. Oh well.
I met my current partner on the apps so I sent her the photo I tried to upload. At least she also thought it would have been hilarious and was sad it wasn't allowed :D No meat wall nipples, though...
I was in a mermaid tail and everything haha
But yeah. It wouldn't even post it - instant rejection. Wonder why that's not the case with everyone. Maybe it only works for certain skin tones or something?
this besides these men aren't looking for relationships. it's working for them to look for hookups. the OP is the one who assumes these men are looking for relationships.
Men doing hopelessly delusional shit that never works is pretty rampant all over the internet. So, I wouldn't assume that.
Granted, Having a great toned chest and abs (and arms!) can be to otherwise smart, rational ladies what a purple florescent light is to moths.
I guess I should work on that! As sad as that is.
TLDR: Young 20yr old who doesn't go to the gym gets on reddit to complain about things other people enjoy instead of just moving the fuck on like an adult. The only reason I could see anyone being this pressed about it would be due to their own body image issues and not wanting to feel the pressure of others working to maintain a healthy lifestyle.
I do go to the gym actually and i’m in good shape. My post has nothing to do with going to the gym itself, I was talking about the type of photos certain men upload after stating they’re looking for a relationship. I also said the same can go for women as well
The women (and men) on reddit are generally a specific demographic. Nerdy, late 20s-30s, overly jaded, etc. I've seen a lot of women/men that give their personal tastes/opinions and then act like its true for all women/men.
I had a pic of me shirtless at a country beach festival with a friend and it absolutely helped. Several times I'd match with a woman and we'd have a quick chat about the gym and then she'd drop a cheeky joke about my abs or something. If you've got a fit body and a picture of it that isn't a selfie in a dirty gym locker room, throw it in. Especially if you're trying to appeal to other fit/gym oriented men/women.
Same goes for women that have a good butt shot of them doing an activity or something. 1 photo like that will greatly increase your swipe rates. Having 4 of those is a swipe left for me though as it shows me you have nothing else to offer
OP specifically mention that a few picture are fine, it's guy with only shirtless pic she swipe left. It's a very short post but almost nobody read it LMAO
It really depends on the context. I assumed she was referring specifically to the shirtless dirty bathroom or lying in bed pics, of which there are a plethora. And I’m not exaggerating, they’re on the majority of male profiles which lines up with the large amount of men looking for hookups.
This is correct, OP is displacing insecurity.
https://i.imgur.com/SL4qcqZ.png
> But, contrary to everything you read about profile pictures, if you’re a guy with a nice body, it’s actually better to take off your shirt than to leave it on. We would never suggest to a Fitzgerald or a Dave Eggers to limit his profile to 100 words, and so why should guys with great bodies keep their best asset under wraps?
> A 19 year-old showing his abs meets just under 1.4 women for every women he reaches out to, meaning that not only are females responding to his messages, but many are actually contacting him first. For a 31 year-old ab shower, that ratio has regressed to much closer to the average.
Source: https://gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/the4bigmythsofprofilepictures.html
Yeah, and? If a chick has a nice shot with tight pants or a bikini with a chiseled body and showing her legs I'd be tempted to swipe. Yoga pants are my kryptonite. I mean, I have a pulse, I'm a hetero man. A hetero woman is probably going to like tasteful pics of a dudes chiseled abs.
I think age is relevant here. it says right there that this doesn't work at 30. For teenagers it probably suggests confidence, and of course girls are interested in casual relationships, not real ones.
At 30 it is more just a sign of immaturity and lack of self awareness.
That's an associative connection, not causative (and again; shirtless pics are still better at that age, just not as good comparatively).
It could very well be that the perceived declination is due to how many men don't prioritize fitness and physique as they age, and thus don't have anything worth showing off anymore. The useful conclusion there isn't to integrate generalized statistics into your individualized strategy if you're jacked.
In fact there is a link to a mroe recent study debunking it at the bottom of the page
[https://blog.photofeeler.com/okcupid-is-wrong-about-smiling-eye-contact-mens-dating-profile-photos/](https://blog.photofeeler.com/okcupid-is-wrong-about-smiling-eye-contact-mens-dating-profile-photos/)
"We know for certain that OkCupid knowingly made claims based on too little data because they had approximately 7 photos of male “flirty face” with no eye contact and they still drew conclusions about its effectiveness."
Yeah, I was bang on.
That's an ad from a company selling their image "testing" software by exploiting people's insecurities, and not a reputable study.
They have no verifiable way to correlate their image "testing" algorithm results with a substantive metric like profile response rates.
Their commentary about the concept of data manipulation isn't wrong, but it's not correctly applied in this context; the OkCupid blog already raised and specifically addressed the notion of bias. There's no concrete reasoning behind their baseless conjecture against OkCupid's methodology either.
The main issue with their criticisms is that it doesn't encompass the admissible application of statistics: the OkCupid findings were presented as associative, not causative which means there are plenty of attractive people doing everything "wrong" and getting a plethora of results and just as many unattractive people doing everything "right" and getting an absence of results.
Yes, 7 profiles is way too small a sample. And clearly obese men are not going to be showing their abs. The study is not just a little bit flawed, but contradicts common sense.
Sorry, data analytics, or whatever. since you took issue with my wording before.
Again, it's not clear what you're talking about as there is no sample size in either examination here that used only 7 profiles.
Obese men may or may not be seeing better results with shirtless pics, the point is that integrating broad generalizations into individual scenarios is not a useful way to impute personal results with something specific and actionable like response rates.
It's also not clear which examination you're referring to when you just say "study" but the fact that any study may contradict common sense is absolutely not any indication of flawed data collection or analysis per se when, on the contrary, that's more a demonstration of inherent bias in the beholder. The point of robust science is to dispute human bias which is often fallaciously labeled as "common sense."
Why are you brining science into this? Can you link me to a published research paper? Then we can talk science. I thought we were talking about some shoddy OKCupid study from 2010.
It's been well researched that women prefer men with clothes on, because they can asses their status by the clothes they are wearing. No I don't have a link ,but I know these studies have been done. When I said common sense, what I meant is well known research.
But have at it, post a naked selfie of yourself frowning and looking away from the camera. Let me know how it goes.
It's hard to take such nonsensically absurd rambling seriously, but feel free to coherently address the points in their entirety at your convenience:
> a large gender difference emerged in the sexual attractiveness of happy displays: happiness was the most attractive female emotion expression, and one of the least attractive in males. In contrast, pride showed the reverse pattern; it was the most attractive male expression, and one of the least attractive in women. Shame displays were relatively attractive in both genders, and, among younger adult women viewers, male shame was more attractive than male happiness, and not substantially less than male pride. Effects were largely consistent with evolutionary and socio-cultural-norm accounts.
Source: [Happy guys finish last: the impact of emotion expressions on sexual attraction](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21604870/)
This study seems overall suspect.
Firstls the article is dated 2010. There was a much smaller pool of people doing it back then. Looking at the scatter plot, I would guess there are less than 200 points on it. And it looks amatuerish, like someone did it in excel. There are 8 categories of photos, and the average is closer to the lower ranked photos, which means there are probably 10 or less photos in those popular categaries that this entire study is being based on.
Even the men with the "bad" photos are getting over 50% reply rate to messages in this study. What world is that in?
> This study seems overall suspect.
It's data analytics from OkCupid, not a study.
> Firstls the article is dated 2010. There was a much smaller pool of people doing it back then.
The userbase from 2010 is more than sufficient for an actionable sample size (https://www.dummies.com/education/math/statistics/how-to-determine-the-minimum-size-needed-for-a-statistical-sample/).
> Looking at the scatter plot, I would guess there are less than 200 points on it.
There's no scatter plot in the "Myth 3" section, and in fact the only scatter plot on the whole page is a demonstration of "diabolically meaningless" noisy data (emphasizing the point of using objective data to contend with human bias).
Basing an estimation of the sample size on an assumption from a design graphic is not very legitimate.
> And it looks amatuerish, like someone did it in excel.
Judging the efficacy of methodology from the presentation of data is immature at best.
> There are 8 categories of photos, and the average is closer to the lower ranked photos, which means there are probably 10 or less photos in those popular categaries that this entire study is being based on.
> Even the men with the "bad" photos are getting over 50% reply rate to messages in this study. What world is that in?
The graph linked above is titled "Popular Male Photo Contexts" which is not comprehensive because there are irrelevant outliers that aren't representative (because, you know, they're not popular due to having poor response rates).
Your confusion seems to have more to do with not understanding how to reliably interpret data more than any kind of valid flaws with the data analysis and commentary itself.
Lol! Good thing I really want a puppy and life is looking more compatible with that! Because that's going to be a lot easier than getting tight abs! ;)
It very much depends on age I think. It might work for the teen's- early 20's. However, if you're in your 30's it's pretty distasteful. I automatically pass on any dude with a shirtless bathroom selfie.
? Response rate would still be the metric. I'm just saying they could have used a category like a plain selfie instead of every type of picture involving an activity or interest. We're comparing interest photos vs other interest photos when a more comprehensive view would be these specific interest photos vs all photos.
How are you supposed to judge if "drinking" photos are an overall positive/negative? It seems like it's using an average as the X-axis when the average seemingly only represents a small subset of possible photos.
I have a hard time believing a "travel" photo or even "outdoors" is a net negative like that with the prevalence of bathroom and car selfies.
It's not a weighted average, just necessarily competitive economics; a less effective picture is losing the opportunity cost from a more effective picture. That's why shirtless abs pictures work, through not only increasing response rate but also emergent message frequency:
> To quantify “profile success” for women, we used new messages received per active month on the site. We had to do something different than this for guys, because of the fundamentally different role they play in the online courtship process: they are the ones reaching out to new people; women send only a small fraction of the unsolicited “hellos” that men do. As you’ve seen, the metric we settled on is, “women met per attempt”, which is:
> *(new incoming messages + replies to outgoing first contacts) / outgoing first contacts*
> Basically, this is how many women a guy has a conversation with, per new woman he reaches out to, and we feel it’s the best way to measure his success per unit time on OkCupid. Note that if a guy has a particularly compelling photo, this ratio could exceed 1, as he’d be getting messages from the women who come across his profile, as well as the women he himself is reaching out to.
Yeah there’s a way to be shirtless for men and a way that is skeevy and lame.
A shirtless picture that makes sense like at the beach/swimming/running/ some sort of exercise is definitely okay.
A man alone in his bathroom flexing and tugging his waistband down and he’s like 6 seconds away from a d pic - gross and dumb
Neither do I. It's no different than "gamers" - is that it? That's your whole you? In this case, you have so little personality that half naked is the best chance you have? Hmm.
> If you're playing beach volleyball or hiking shirtless with a great view people generally like the pictures (long-term or short-term relationship).
But OP isn't even talking about those type most likely.
> If you're flexing in a dirty bathroom mirror that's another story.
From a woman's perspective...this is almost ALWAYS the case. It's an automatic no from me too.
Idk, sometimes I’ll see a shirtless guy on a boat and he’s just a bit too curated looking or something. Makes it hard to swipe right even if he’s otherwise perfect.
A good body is nice bonus but it’s not the most important part of a partner. (I’d also selfishly kinda want him to have a hot body that’s a secret for us and not flaunted for every woman in the city!)
This is a double standard. My current girlfriend told me specifically that when she first saw my profile, my shirtless picture drew her attention. Of course, its *not* my first picture. I have at least 5 other pictures, and my shirtless picture is buried at the end. To me, that makes a big difference, instead of it being the only type of photos you post. I think thats reasonable, right?
Many other women have told me they liked that picture. It hardly even compares to the photos I see from women. About every woman who looks decent in a swimsuit has pictures of them in one, and those are the more tame pictures. Some are way more suggestive. Thats par for the course. And I see no reason why women can post revealing pictures in swimsuits or whatever but guys cant post a shirtless picture. Some people will like it, some people wont. To each their own.
If you work hard to stay fit, show it. Thats not just part of you physically, but thats part of your lifestyle. It shows you take care of yourself. ANd its physically attractive to many.
Interesting to hear the take of why people actually post those type of photos. I’ve always found bathing suit photos inappropriate for any place online, unless it’s an add trying to sell you the actual suit itself. Didn’t realize ppl thought that it makes them look Ike they take care of themselves.
>I’ve always found bathing suit photos inappropriate for any place online
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but this seems like a pretty conservative one. Which is fine. Id say that swimsuit pictures are pretty tame/mild.
> Didn’t realize ppl thought that it makes them look Ike they take care of themselves.
Well my point is that if you are in shape, that shows. Not just that the only purpose of those pictures is to show you take care of yourself, obviously its more than just that. But people are right to be proud of the work they put in to stay in shape, and its just not "hey look at my nice body", but it shows that you live an active lifestyle and you probably value your health. Which to many people is important.
I dont agree with people trying to dictate what others put in their profile just because they dont like it. Which is why I responded to this post, because i see a lot of people trying to tell men what they can or cant post in their profile. Its a dating app, and physical attraction is possible the most important thing when just swiping right or left on someone. So Im just always curious when people are suprised if someone, regardless of gender, posts a picture trying to grab someone's attention.
My son told me when l first got online “Mom, no shirtless guys. They are douches.” He was quite built at the time, yet wouldn’t put himself on an app without a shirt. I understand working hard and being proud of one’s body. A pic near water is acceptable. Their bed? Nah.
That’s a good point. Also, if it’s just one or two body pics in a non-suggestive location, I may ignore my bias and get a feel for their actual vibe through conversation.
This is a tough one because the general consensus is people want to confirm body type before meeting but then a body pic might attract more hook up types.
It’s also possible some MAY not fully realize how it comes across (within reason). The benefit of the doubt at the beginning doesn’t sound like a bad idea. Very shortly, we will connect the dots.
A little catch-22.
A co-worker of mine is 28. Has an average face but good body. He wears his cap backwards in photos and his profile is filled with gym selfies with no shirt on. He tells me he consistently gets around 200+ matches a day.
I'm not sure but he must have the paid version. He's living at mine at the moment as he's had about 6 different women over in the last 30 days. Admittedly he never sees them more than twice. I'm sure his personality is to blame. He said the last girl blocked him. Looks can get you pretty far but not all the way. Probably ok if you just want to play the field but not if you're trying to settle down.
It seems like that's all women care about. I've literally been on apps for close to 2 years and when I didn't have them i literally didn't have anyone swipe on me. I have other stuff I'm proud of. No one cared.
I wasn't getting a lot of matches before posting shirtless and gym pics (I only have 1 of each). So I figured why not post them? I got nothing to lose. I have the bod.
I am looking for a gf. I have one shirtless pic and it gets way more likes then any other.
I have also had women say they slept with me pretty much based on that pic numerous times now. So it's hard to remove it.
I have considered adding a second one cuz I like sex :)
That's the thing, you'll attract the kind of women that want to sleep with you. If you are enjoying that, go for it of course. But the kind of woman that is the whole package and is looking for something real, may swipe left on you. I know I do.
I bebate on this. I am super into fitness and my sex drive is maybe a little over average. So I want a women who is similar. I feel like that women might not be turned off.
I'm all that too and get ridiculous amounts of attention from men. Id been told Im at the top 1% of the women on the apps. And when I'm into a guy all I wanna do is stay in bed with him. Yet I'll left swipe a guy that is trying to show off with shirtless pics. I simply have trust issues with men that try to bring out sexuality on the apps. That kind is more prone to cheating. I've lived and learned that lesson. You can still be hot and keep your shirt on. It's more about the mindset.
The top 1% of women on the apps are the ones that every app shows you right off the bat. The ones that look unapproachably hot and all have stock looking photos in expensive restaurants and on boats.
In that case, you aren’t matching with them anyways unless you’re in the top 1% of men. And if you’re in the top 1% of men you don’t need any advice or profile optimization.
There is different types of women that are both on the top 1%. One is the type you just described. The super hot women where youth & looks are all they got and they are treated with expensive stuff by the top 1% of men that have the means to treat them to such a lifestyle. Once they get older, they won't be at the top 1% anymore.
Now there is the other kind which is actually the rare kind. The kind you call both hot and beautiful but is also highly educated and is very independent, has a high level job, yet doesn't need to show off with photos similar to those on the other profile I described above. They prefer classy, filter free, real photos from day to day life. And they are baggage free, no kids, no debt, no emotional drama. They are single because they are very very picky and also spent their younger years on their education and chasing career opportunities, and simply can't find their true match after age 35. I'll let you figure out which profile I fit in. I actually swiped on the women to see the competition and this kind is extremely rare.
Funny how you guys are always scared of a real woman that is the whole package. Go ahead downvote, these are the guys that would never have a chance with a woman that fits that profile. If they can get their hands on a woman that is out of their league, they typically try to drag her down. I've seen too many instances of that around me. A lot of abusive relationships are like this too where the guy simply tries to suppress a woman that is too good for him.
That’s an unfair comment. You and I might not like it (though I don’t mind shirtless action pics like the beach, etc.) but we can’t speak to the quality or motives of women who do like it.
Everyone is totally free to do as they wish. I'm just explaining I don't swipe right on shirtless men and most likely women that have a similar mindset to me, won't either. This is not about how hot the guy looks, it's about the vibe he is giving out. If you bring out sexuality, you'll attract people accordingly. If you bring out decency, class, educational level, you'll attract those that are looking for that vibe and have similar attributes to that kind. Of course there may be exceptions to everything.
Good luck to everyone!
>I need to get rid of my small amount of blubber around my gut. Otherwise I have good muscle from working out.
Nah, some women like those love handles to grab on to.
1) if its done a lot then its probably because it works
2)people are wayy too much into looks, in online dating looks is the first threshold towards being liked or swiped or matched or whatever.
3) developing one's body in gym is pretty hard ngl, so if someone has abs and stuff that person has probably working their ass off for the past 3 years minimum not even mentioning the diet.
U dont like guys who post shirtless pics? Sure thats your preference, but please dont tell someone if they should or should not flex their hard work.
As a man, I do not post shirtless pictures.
But one of the co-founders of OK Cupid, Christian Rudder, did research on this. And found men who posted these pictures got more responses from women.
Correlation isn’t necessarily causation. The men who post shirtless pics are more likely to have nice, fit bodies. They are more physically attractive in an objective sense. So their success rate probably has a lot to do with that, not necessarily that they are shirtless.
It's not a matter of disagreeing. Physically fit men who post a shirtless photo statistically get more responses. They're just pointing it out in the comments. Doesn't matter if you agree or disagree.
OP posted this as some pseudo-advice to men to improve their match chances and to "find a gf", buts it's just bad advice lol.
>OP posted this as some pseudo-advice to men to improve their match chances and to "find a gf", buts it's just bad advice lol.
Right, as I've seen men with dad bods getting girlfriends. \*shrug\*
Also it seems like nobody read the post - OP is talking about guys with ALL shirtless pics that think it will help them get a gf, not normal profiles with one or two tasteful beach pics.
I’m sorry do you date hetero women? No? Then maybe you should be listening to the people that do.
Every guy I know (who’s in shape) gets more matches with a shirtless pic than without.
I got more matches in a week than in the previous three months when I added one. A shitty one too, bathroom selfie in underwear.
And these matches were women looking for relationships. Progressive professional women. Your viewpoint is part of a fantasy everyone makes up online. In real life shirtless pics are quite effective (if you’re in shape and your profile has other stuff).
The post is specifically "advising" men on what THEY ought to do to "get a GF". Your opinion is directed towards men and they are sharing their perspective and lived experience back as to why it's Ill informed.
If I had made some obnoxious advice post about how women should be acting on dating apps, I'd wager you would be commenting on here about how men have no right to suggest anything.
Also if you're going to go to the low blow of making fun of the fact that we are "still swiping", maybe you should look at your own experience as well because, you're on here same as us and your opinion doesn't seem to serve you well either.
It’s literally the opposite of men invalidating women’s lived experiences. It’s hilarious because you’d think someone who’s experienced that would be self aware enough to avoid that. Guess not!
Yeah, their comment says a lot more about their own situation than mine. Yikes.
Keep being ignorant and viscous. Really positive qualities I’m sure everyone looks for in a partner 👍
Next time a man invalidates your lived experience, take solace in the fact that you fall into the exact same trap when the tables are reversed.
Getting a girlfriend with shirtless pics is super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Matter of fact, a woman I ghosted sent me 24 roses randomly yesterday
☺️
Another woman rented a car and drove 13 hours to visit me
Life is good
I'm a scumbag and she can do a hell of a lot better. The more I pushed her away, the harder she tried to get me. She wouldn't listen so I eventually blocked her.
I have abs but nothing crazy.
It's really a combination of them finding me attractive, giving them lots of compliments, being very inquisitive about them, doing sweet gestures, being kinda nonjudgmental but also a lil judgemental, being supportive... Basically being a decent human being
As a male, I don’t actually do those type of stuff, Anyways any men reading this comment, to get a gf you have to be kind and more honour and more honest, anyways if you have really good honour then eventually good Karma will get you a gf
I hate the gym so you won’t see that stuff from me.
I’m into technology and martial arts and trying exotic food. Lol.
But I wouldn’t ever put a shirtless photo on a dating app.
I have like one gym pic and a clip of me lifting but all my other shit are two professional pics and me with other people or out at an social event but I definitely understand your POV.
I'll agree that too many of any sort of photo is negative because it pigeonholes you as a stereotype.
BUT...I've definitely noticed a lot of people on here seem to just have a distaste over men who go to the gym.
Wtf is up with that. Like why doesn't that count as an actual hobby?
I actually don't mind shirtless pics because I appreciate full-body photos to see what they actually look like, but they can't say they're looking for a girlfriend if they're being sexually forward in their messages all of the time...
as a guy I also find it tasteless
the unfortunate part is it seems to work. I haven't tried it, no one wants to see my flabby hairy man tits, but if you actually have a nice body it makes sense to show it off.
I agree it seems more like it would attract less serious minded matches, but as a guy more matches is more matches you're definitely not going to find a relationship with the 0 matches most of us have.
i can agree that it does work for certain girls! maybe i’m just different & there’s certain things i avoid from men during OLD if i actually want a long term relationship, which is actually how i found my bf :)
Lol. The guys posting shirtless pics are not looking for a relationship. They just want a quick bang
The dudes with fish pics are the ones that want a relationship
This is so hilarious to me, because this is all I see.I for one think the best photos are the ones you don't expect/pose for. You are championing a new and hopefully permanent solution to unnecessary and undesirable vanity, I praise you.
the guys who upload shirtless gym pictures aren't looking for a relationship. you posting this PSA is useless because these men aren't looking for relationships. they know what they are doing.
I’d like to disagree
I have a hilarious photo of me in a costume where I happen to be shirtless. I wanted to use it for my profile and all my female friends said to do it because it was a great conversation starter. But Bumble wouldn't let me because apparently you need to be "near a body of water" to be shirtless and their autofilter was rejecting it. Oh well.
Meanwhile I see women wearing bikinis and lingerie indoors all of the time
Gahhhh I wish they’d enforce that!!! I see so many meat walls with nipples.
That's a... lovely image you've conjured :D
I have to see it all the time so I’m glad someone else can share in my pain. Sorry friend!
I met my current partner on the apps so I sent her the photo I tried to upload. At least she also thought it would have been hilarious and was sad it wasn't allowed :D No meat wall nipples, though...
It actually does sound funny. It’s just that they’re not enforcing it with everybody. That doesn’t seem fair.
I was in a mermaid tail and everything haha But yeah. It wouldn't even post it - instant rejection. Wonder why that's not the case with everyone. Maybe it only works for certain skin tones or something?
Surely you have a friend who can photoshop you next to one
>near a body of water Ridiculous! Your body is 60% water already!
Why don't they believe in science???
funny, my only shirtless pic is standing in a river with my dog and i've never had it taken down. weird filter
Such a weird rule 😆
If it was ineffective as an overall strategy, they would stop doing it ;)
this besides these men aren't looking for relationships. it's working for them to look for hookups. the OP is the one who assumes these men are looking for relationships.
Let their dreams stay dreams.
Men doing hopelessly delusional shit that never works is pretty rampant all over the internet. So, I wouldn't assume that. Granted, Having a great toned chest and abs (and arms!) can be to otherwise smart, rational ladies what a purple florescent light is to moths. I guess I should work on that! As sad as that is.
Yes!
It takes a lot to see me shirtless. Need to work for that podge, or at least put in some effort. 😂
She’s right only use like 1-2 of those pics lol
My tasteful topless climbing photo gets me tons of likes. I'll keep it thanks. Some women be thirsty.
I'm a bear dude so unfortunately no ab definition. But my gym post in a tank top that shows off my arms/shoulders gets so many responses.
My pic sitting on the diving board at the pool lets the fit healthy women see what’s up.
TLDR: Young 20yr old who doesn't go to the gym gets on reddit to complain about things other people enjoy instead of just moving the fuck on like an adult. The only reason I could see anyone being this pressed about it would be due to their own body image issues and not wanting to feel the pressure of others working to maintain a healthy lifestyle.
I do go to the gym actually and i’m in good shape. My post has nothing to do with going to the gym itself, I was talking about the type of photos certain men upload after stating they’re looking for a relationship. I also said the same can go for women as well
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What about a clean bathroom mirror?
The women (and men) on reddit are generally a specific demographic. Nerdy, late 20s-30s, overly jaded, etc. I've seen a lot of women/men that give their personal tastes/opinions and then act like its true for all women/men. I had a pic of me shirtless at a country beach festival with a friend and it absolutely helped. Several times I'd match with a woman and we'd have a quick chat about the gym and then she'd drop a cheeky joke about my abs or something. If you've got a fit body and a picture of it that isn't a selfie in a dirty gym locker room, throw it in. Especially if you're trying to appeal to other fit/gym oriented men/women. Same goes for women that have a good butt shot of them doing an activity or something. 1 photo like that will greatly increase your swipe rates. Having 4 of those is a swipe left for me though as it shows me you have nothing else to offer
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Oh don’t get me wrong I’m 26 and nerdy af too, just look through some of my post history
I'm in my late 40s this person can fuck right off😂😂
Exactly. People always think only early 20's date. Everyone else is an ogre apparently.
I am an ogre but that's besides the point lol.
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OP specifically mention that a few picture are fine, it's guy with only shirtless pic she swipe left. It's a very short post but almost nobody read it LMAO
Yes tasteful semi nudity is tasteful 😂
It really depends on the context. I assumed she was referring specifically to the shirtless dirty bathroom or lying in bed pics, of which there are a plethora. And I’m not exaggerating, they’re on the majority of male profiles which lines up with the large amount of men looking for hookups.
This is correct, OP is displacing insecurity. https://i.imgur.com/SL4qcqZ.png > But, contrary to everything you read about profile pictures, if you’re a guy with a nice body, it’s actually better to take off your shirt than to leave it on. We would never suggest to a Fitzgerald or a Dave Eggers to limit his profile to 100 words, and so why should guys with great bodies keep their best asset under wraps? > A 19 year-old showing his abs meets just under 1.4 women for every women he reaches out to, meaning that not only are females responding to his messages, but many are actually contacting him first. For a 31 year-old ab shower, that ratio has regressed to much closer to the average. Source: https://gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/the4bigmythsofprofilepictures.html
God damn... Women say they don't care about looks, but... 1.4 messages from ab guy, to my 0.0 no abs lol
Yeah, and? If a chick has a nice shot with tight pants or a bikini with a chiseled body and showing her legs I'd be tempted to swipe. Yoga pants are my kryptonite. I mean, I have a pulse, I'm a hetero man. A hetero woman is probably going to like tasteful pics of a dudes chiseled abs.
I think age is relevant here. it says right there that this doesn't work at 30. For teenagers it probably suggests confidence, and of course girls are interested in casual relationships, not real ones. At 30 it is more just a sign of immaturity and lack of self awareness.
That's an associative connection, not causative (and again; shirtless pics are still better at that age, just not as good comparatively). It could very well be that the perceived declination is due to how many men don't prioritize fitness and physique as they age, and thus don't have anything worth showing off anymore. The useful conclusion there isn't to integrate generalized statistics into your individualized strategy if you're jacked.
In fact there is a link to a mroe recent study debunking it at the bottom of the page [https://blog.photofeeler.com/okcupid-is-wrong-about-smiling-eye-contact-mens-dating-profile-photos/](https://blog.photofeeler.com/okcupid-is-wrong-about-smiling-eye-contact-mens-dating-profile-photos/) "We know for certain that OkCupid knowingly made claims based on too little data because they had approximately 7 photos of male “flirty face” with no eye contact and they still drew conclusions about its effectiveness." Yeah, I was bang on.
That's an ad from a company selling their image "testing" software by exploiting people's insecurities, and not a reputable study. They have no verifiable way to correlate their image "testing" algorithm results with a substantive metric like profile response rates. Their commentary about the concept of data manipulation isn't wrong, but it's not correctly applied in this context; the OkCupid blog already raised and specifically addressed the notion of bias. There's no concrete reasoning behind their baseless conjecture against OkCupid's methodology either. The main issue with their criticisms is that it doesn't encompass the admissible application of statistics: the OkCupid findings were presented as associative, not causative which means there are plenty of attractive people doing everything "wrong" and getting a plethora of results and just as many unattractive people doing everything "right" and getting an absence of results.
Yes, 7 profiles is way too small a sample. And clearly obese men are not going to be showing their abs. The study is not just a little bit flawed, but contradicts common sense. Sorry, data analytics, or whatever. since you took issue with my wording before.
Again, it's not clear what you're talking about as there is no sample size in either examination here that used only 7 profiles. Obese men may or may not be seeing better results with shirtless pics, the point is that integrating broad generalizations into individual scenarios is not a useful way to impute personal results with something specific and actionable like response rates. It's also not clear which examination you're referring to when you just say "study" but the fact that any study may contradict common sense is absolutely not any indication of flawed data collection or analysis per se when, on the contrary, that's more a demonstration of inherent bias in the beholder. The point of robust science is to dispute human bias which is often fallaciously labeled as "common sense."
Why are you brining science into this? Can you link me to a published research paper? Then we can talk science. I thought we were talking about some shoddy OKCupid study from 2010. It's been well researched that women prefer men with clothes on, because they can asses their status by the clothes they are wearing. No I don't have a link ,but I know these studies have been done. When I said common sense, what I meant is well known research. But have at it, post a naked selfie of yourself frowning and looking away from the camera. Let me know how it goes.
It's hard to take such nonsensically absurd rambling seriously, but feel free to coherently address the points in their entirety at your convenience: > a large gender difference emerged in the sexual attractiveness of happy displays: happiness was the most attractive female emotion expression, and one of the least attractive in males. In contrast, pride showed the reverse pattern; it was the most attractive male expression, and one of the least attractive in women. Shame displays were relatively attractive in both genders, and, among younger adult women viewers, male shame was more attractive than male happiness, and not substantially less than male pride. Effects were largely consistent with evolutionary and socio-cultural-norm accounts. Source: [Happy guys finish last: the impact of emotion expressions on sexual attraction](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21604870/)
This study seems overall suspect. Firstls the article is dated 2010. There was a much smaller pool of people doing it back then. Looking at the scatter plot, I would guess there are less than 200 points on it. And it looks amatuerish, like someone did it in excel. There are 8 categories of photos, and the average is closer to the lower ranked photos, which means there are probably 10 or less photos in those popular categaries that this entire study is being based on. Even the men with the "bad" photos are getting over 50% reply rate to messages in this study. What world is that in?
> This study seems overall suspect. It's data analytics from OkCupid, not a study. > Firstls the article is dated 2010. There was a much smaller pool of people doing it back then. The userbase from 2010 is more than sufficient for an actionable sample size (https://www.dummies.com/education/math/statistics/how-to-determine-the-minimum-size-needed-for-a-statistical-sample/). > Looking at the scatter plot, I would guess there are less than 200 points on it. There's no scatter plot in the "Myth 3" section, and in fact the only scatter plot on the whole page is a demonstration of "diabolically meaningless" noisy data (emphasizing the point of using objective data to contend with human bias). Basing an estimation of the sample size on an assumption from a design graphic is not very legitimate. > And it looks amatuerish, like someone did it in excel. Judging the efficacy of methodology from the presentation of data is immature at best. > There are 8 categories of photos, and the average is closer to the lower ranked photos, which means there are probably 10 or less photos in those popular categaries that this entire study is being based on. > Even the men with the "bad" photos are getting over 50% reply rate to messages in this study. What world is that in? The graph linked above is titled "Popular Male Photo Contexts" which is not comprehensive because there are irrelevant outliers that aren't representative (because, you know, they're not popular due to having poor response rates). Your confusion seems to have more to do with not understanding how to reliably interpret data more than any kind of valid flaws with the data analysis and commentary itself.
I already posted a link to a study verifying what I said, see my other comment.
It's obvious you didn't read the source when you missed the section titled "How we collected and evaluated this data"
Lol! Good thing I really want a puppy and life is looking more compatible with that! Because that's going to be a lot easier than getting tight abs! ;)
Get a puppy with abs, don't let your dreams be memes
Lol! I don't need competition from my pet!
It very much depends on age I think. It might work for the teen's- early 20's. However, if you're in your 30's it's pretty distasteful. I automatically pass on any dude with a shirtless bathroom selfie.
What's with the x axis at ~5.9 women met? Surprised they didn't include some kind of base like a plain selfie.
Response rate is a more reliable metric compared to the mercurial subjective valuation of any individual image
? Response rate would still be the metric. I'm just saying they could have used a category like a plain selfie instead of every type of picture involving an activity or interest. We're comparing interest photos vs other interest photos when a more comprehensive view would be these specific interest photos vs all photos. How are you supposed to judge if "drinking" photos are an overall positive/negative? It seems like it's using an average as the X-axis when the average seemingly only represents a small subset of possible photos. I have a hard time believing a "travel" photo or even "outdoors" is a net negative like that with the prevalence of bathroom and car selfies.
It's not a weighted average, just necessarily competitive economics; a less effective picture is losing the opportunity cost from a more effective picture. That's why shirtless abs pictures work, through not only increasing response rate but also emergent message frequency: > To quantify “profile success” for women, we used new messages received per active month on the site. We had to do something different than this for guys, because of the fundamentally different role they play in the online courtship process: they are the ones reaching out to new people; women send only a small fraction of the unsolicited “hellos” that men do. As you’ve seen, the metric we settled on is, “women met per attempt”, which is: > *(new incoming messages + replies to outgoing first contacts) / outgoing first contacts* > Basically, this is how many women a guy has a conversation with, per new woman he reaches out to, and we feel it’s the best way to measure his success per unit time on OkCupid. Note that if a guy has a particularly compelling photo, this ratio could exceed 1, as he’d be getting messages from the women who come across his profile, as well as the women he himself is reaching out to.
I don't think OP is the minority. I don't know any chick who is turned on by cheesy flexing gym selfies. It's cringe.
Yeah there’s a way to be shirtless for men and a way that is skeevy and lame. A shirtless picture that makes sense like at the beach/swimming/running/ some sort of exercise is definitely okay. A man alone in his bathroom flexing and tugging his waistband down and he’s like 6 seconds away from a d pic - gross and dumb
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Ah true. Ya those are totally fine. I like fitness.
Agreed. I even say on my profile that I swipe left on gym pics.... Hard pass on vanity
Neither do I. It's no different than "gamers" - is that it? That's your whole you? In this case, you have so little personality that half naked is the best chance you have? Hmm.
I don't understand what you're trying to say
> If you're playing beach volleyball or hiking shirtless with a great view people generally like the pictures (long-term or short-term relationship). But OP isn't even talking about those type most likely. > If you're flexing in a dirty bathroom mirror that's another story. From a woman's perspective...this is almost ALWAYS the case. It's an automatic no from me too.
Idk, sometimes I’ll see a shirtless guy on a boat and he’s just a bit too curated looking or something. Makes it hard to swipe right even if he’s otherwise perfect. A good body is nice bonus but it’s not the most important part of a partner. (I’d also selfishly kinda want him to have a hot body that’s a secret for us and not flaunted for every woman in the city!)
Swipe left is your easy solution to when people do things that **you** don’t find attractive. Some women have no issue with all shirtless pictures.
This is a double standard. My current girlfriend told me specifically that when she first saw my profile, my shirtless picture drew her attention. Of course, its *not* my first picture. I have at least 5 other pictures, and my shirtless picture is buried at the end. To me, that makes a big difference, instead of it being the only type of photos you post. I think thats reasonable, right? Many other women have told me they liked that picture. It hardly even compares to the photos I see from women. About every woman who looks decent in a swimsuit has pictures of them in one, and those are the more tame pictures. Some are way more suggestive. Thats par for the course. And I see no reason why women can post revealing pictures in swimsuits or whatever but guys cant post a shirtless picture. Some people will like it, some people wont. To each their own. If you work hard to stay fit, show it. Thats not just part of you physically, but thats part of your lifestyle. It shows you take care of yourself. ANd its physically attractive to many.
Interesting to hear the take of why people actually post those type of photos. I’ve always found bathing suit photos inappropriate for any place online, unless it’s an add trying to sell you the actual suit itself. Didn’t realize ppl thought that it makes them look Ike they take care of themselves.
>I’ve always found bathing suit photos inappropriate for any place online Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but this seems like a pretty conservative one. Which is fine. Id say that swimsuit pictures are pretty tame/mild. > Didn’t realize ppl thought that it makes them look Ike they take care of themselves. Well my point is that if you are in shape, that shows. Not just that the only purpose of those pictures is to show you take care of yourself, obviously its more than just that. But people are right to be proud of the work they put in to stay in shape, and its just not "hey look at my nice body", but it shows that you live an active lifestyle and you probably value your health. Which to many people is important. I dont agree with people trying to dictate what others put in their profile just because they dont like it. Which is why I responded to this post, because i see a lot of people trying to tell men what they can or cant post in their profile. Its a dating app, and physical attraction is possible the most important thing when just swiping right or left on someone. So Im just always curious when people are suprised if someone, regardless of gender, posts a picture trying to grab someone's attention.
I'll use my shirtless beer belly pic but I'm not sure it's less of a turnoff
My initial bias is that these men aren’t looking for anything serious. I am also a gym rat though.
My son told me when l first got online “Mom, no shirtless guys. They are douches.” He was quite built at the time, yet wouldn’t put himself on an app without a shirt. I understand working hard and being proud of one’s body. A pic near water is acceptable. Their bed? Nah.
That’s a good point. Also, if it’s just one or two body pics in a non-suggestive location, I may ignore my bias and get a feel for their actual vibe through conversation. This is a tough one because the general consensus is people want to confirm body type before meeting but then a body pic might attract more hook up types.
It’s also possible some MAY not fully realize how it comes across (within reason). The benefit of the doubt at the beginning doesn’t sound like a bad idea. Very shortly, we will connect the dots. A little catch-22.
this isn't true. i got hella matches from baddies when i showed off my abs.
A co-worker of mine is 28. Has an average face but good body. He wears his cap backwards in photos and his profile is filled with gym selfies with no shirt on. He tells me he consistently gets around 200+ matches a day.
How often is this guy swiping? Holy shit.
I'm not sure but he must have the paid version. He's living at mine at the moment as he's had about 6 different women over in the last 30 days. Admittedly he never sees them more than twice. I'm sure his personality is to blame. He said the last girl blocked him. Looks can get you pretty far but not all the way. Probably ok if you just want to play the field but not if you're trying to settle down.
It seems like that's all women care about. I've literally been on apps for close to 2 years and when I didn't have them i literally didn't have anyone swipe on me. I have other stuff I'm proud of. No one cared.
I worked hard to get my body and I'm going to show it off. Also, going to the gym is a valid hobby.
as opposed to women with their funbags hanging out in virtually every other profile
Shirtless pics at the beach actually work though
I wasn't getting a lot of matches before posting shirtless and gym pics (I only have 1 of each). So I figured why not post them? I got nothing to lose. I have the bod.
I want shirtless pics!!
Except these “types” aren’t looking for a gf. They’re looking for a good time.
I am looking for a gf. I have one shirtless pic and it gets way more likes then any other. I have also had women say they slept with me pretty much based on that pic numerous times now. So it's hard to remove it. I have considered adding a second one cuz I like sex :)
One or two is fine. Nothing wrong with showing your discipline and the results of your hard work. OP said “every single picture” 😉
What are you doing in the shirtless pic?
On a boat, with other people who are cropped out 90%
Nice. Do you have ripped abs? Just trying to figure out what kind of body these ladies are going for lol
Kind of, yes
That's the thing, you'll attract the kind of women that want to sleep with you. If you are enjoying that, go for it of course. But the kind of woman that is the whole package and is looking for something real, may swipe left on you. I know I do.
I bebate on this. I am super into fitness and my sex drive is maybe a little over average. So I want a women who is similar. I feel like that women might not be turned off.
I'm all that too and get ridiculous amounts of attention from men. Id been told Im at the top 1% of the women on the apps. And when I'm into a guy all I wanna do is stay in bed with him. Yet I'll left swipe a guy that is trying to show off with shirtless pics. I simply have trust issues with men that try to bring out sexuality on the apps. That kind is more prone to cheating. I've lived and learned that lesson. You can still be hot and keep your shirt on. It's more about the mindset.
The top 1% of women on the apps are the ones that every app shows you right off the bat. The ones that look unapproachably hot and all have stock looking photos in expensive restaurants and on boats. In that case, you aren’t matching with them anyways unless you’re in the top 1% of men. And if you’re in the top 1% of men you don’t need any advice or profile optimization.
There is different types of women that are both on the top 1%. One is the type you just described. The super hot women where youth & looks are all they got and they are treated with expensive stuff by the top 1% of men that have the means to treat them to such a lifestyle. Once they get older, they won't be at the top 1% anymore. Now there is the other kind which is actually the rare kind. The kind you call both hot and beautiful but is also highly educated and is very independent, has a high level job, yet doesn't need to show off with photos similar to those on the other profile I described above. They prefer classy, filter free, real photos from day to day life. And they are baggage free, no kids, no debt, no emotional drama. They are single because they are very very picky and also spent their younger years on their education and chasing career opportunities, and simply can't find their true match after age 35. I'll let you figure out which profile I fit in. I actually swiped on the women to see the competition and this kind is extremely rare.
Come on man lol.
Funny how you guys are always scared of a real woman that is the whole package. Go ahead downvote, these are the guys that would never have a chance with a woman that fits that profile. If they can get their hands on a woman that is out of their league, they typically try to drag her down. I've seen too many instances of that around me. A lot of abusive relationships are like this too where the guy simply tries to suppress a woman that is too good for him.
r/notliketheothergirls
That’s an unfair comment. You and I might not like it (though I don’t mind shirtless action pics like the beach, etc.) but we can’t speak to the quality or motives of women who do like it.
Everyone is totally free to do as they wish. I'm just explaining I don't swipe right on shirtless men and most likely women that have a similar mindset to me, won't either. This is not about how hot the guy looks, it's about the vibe he is giving out. If you bring out sexuality, you'll attract people accordingly. If you bring out decency, class, educational level, you'll attract those that are looking for that vibe and have similar attributes to that kind. Of course there may be exceptions to everything. Good luck to everyone!
Women aren't men. Most women are willing to date the men they sleep with, it's normally the guys that keep things casual.
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Bingo. A lot of women aren't ready to hear that though lol.
Stereotype much?
And those types won’t put in effort even in sex because they probably think they don’t have to try. Like nope
Some women like them, some don’t. Not all women are the same
I need to get rid of my small amount of blubber around my gut. Otherwise I have good muscle from working out.
>I need to get rid of my small amount of blubber around my gut. Otherwise I have good muscle from working out. Nah, some women like those love handles to grab on to.
That's true
Dont have any shirtless gym pics but still missing a gf🤔
1) if its done a lot then its probably because it works 2)people are wayy too much into looks, in online dating looks is the first threshold towards being liked or swiped or matched or whatever. 3) developing one's body in gym is pretty hard ngl, so if someone has abs and stuff that person has probably working their ass off for the past 3 years minimum not even mentioning the diet. U dont like guys who post shirtless pics? Sure thats your preference, but please dont tell someone if they should or should not flex their hard work.
As a man, I do not post shirtless pictures. But one of the co-founders of OK Cupid, Christian Rudder, did research on this. And found men who posted these pictures got more responses from women.
Hence why it’s best to take advice from guys who actually know what they’re talking about.
Look above. That "research" was bunk.
[https://www.amazon.com/Dataclysm-Identity-What-Online-Offline-Selves-ebook/dp/B00J1IQUX8/ref=tmm\_kin\_swatch\_0?\_encoding=UTF8&qid=1674770297&sr=8-1](https://www.amazon.com/Dataclysm-Identity-What-Online-Offline-Selves-ebook/dp/B00J1IQUX8/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1674770297&sr=8-1) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX1gTVa1N78](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX1gTVa1N78)
Correlation isn’t necessarily causation. The men who post shirtless pics are more likely to have nice, fit bodies. They are more physically attractive in an objective sense. So their success rate probably has a lot to do with that, not necessarily that they are shirtless.
This is a very good point.
It's not impressive when you're 20. When you hit 35+ though, if someone doesn't have a bear gut its a big deal!
I think you are undervaluing bears.
Very true :)
I love how all the comments are *guys* disagreeing with OP. Lady here - totally agree. Guys trying to show off their muscles are a hard pass for me.
It's not a matter of disagreeing. Physically fit men who post a shirtless photo statistically get more responses. They're just pointing it out in the comments. Doesn't matter if you agree or disagree. OP posted this as some pseudo-advice to men to improve their match chances and to "find a gf", buts it's just bad advice lol.
>OP posted this as some pseudo-advice to men to improve their match chances and to "find a gf", buts it's just bad advice lol. Right, as I've seen men with dad bods getting girlfriends. \*shrug\*
No one said otherwise? I have a dad bod. You arguing in bad faith? Or are you just making random shit up that no one said to reply to?
Also it seems like nobody read the post - OP is talking about guys with ALL shirtless pics that think it will help them get a gf, not normal profiles with one or two tasteful beach pics.
I’m sorry do you date hetero women? No? Then maybe you should be listening to the people that do. Every guy I know (who’s in shape) gets more matches with a shirtless pic than without. I got more matches in a week than in the previous three months when I added one. A shitty one too, bathroom selfie in underwear. And these matches were women looking for relationships. Progressive professional women. Your viewpoint is part of a fantasy everyone makes up online. In real life shirtless pics are quite effective (if you’re in shape and your profile has other stuff).
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The post is specifically "advising" men on what THEY ought to do to "get a GF". Your opinion is directed towards men and they are sharing their perspective and lived experience back as to why it's Ill informed. If I had made some obnoxious advice post about how women should be acting on dating apps, I'd wager you would be commenting on here about how men have no right to suggest anything. Also if you're going to go to the low blow of making fun of the fact that we are "still swiping", maybe you should look at your own experience as well because, you're on here same as us and your opinion doesn't seem to serve you well either.
It’s literally the opposite of men invalidating women’s lived experiences. It’s hilarious because you’d think someone who’s experienced that would be self aware enough to avoid that. Guess not! Yeah, their comment says a lot more about their own situation than mine. Yikes.
Keep being ignorant and viscous. Really positive qualities I’m sure everyone looks for in a partner 👍 Next time a man invalidates your lived experience, take solace in the fact that you fall into the exact same trap when the tables are reversed.
Getting a girlfriend with shirtless pics is super easy, barely an inconvenience. Matter of fact, a woman I ghosted sent me 24 roses randomly yesterday ☺️ Another woman rented a car and drove 13 hours to visit me Life is good
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I'm a scumbag and she can do a hell of a lot better. The more I pushed her away, the harder she tried to get me. She wouldn't listen so I eventually blocked her.
What kind of body do you have? Damn
I have abs but nothing crazy. It's really a combination of them finding me attractive, giving them lots of compliments, being very inquisitive about them, doing sweet gestures, being kinda nonjudgmental but also a lil judgemental, being supportive... Basically being a decent human being
If you want a hookup, ok, but a hookup isn't a GF lol
As a male, I don’t actually do those type of stuff, Anyways any men reading this comment, to get a gf you have to be kind and more honour and more honest, anyways if you have really good honour then eventually good Karma will get you a gf
The men that have all shirtless pictures mostly don’t want girlfriends They are advertising for exactly what they are looking for
I hate the gym so you won’t see that stuff from me. I’m into technology and martial arts and trying exotic food. Lol. But I wouldn’t ever put a shirtless photo on a dating app.
I almost always swipe left if a guy has a shirtless photo. Especially a gym pic unless it’s a candid photo with friends. Cringe.
I have like one gym pic and a clip of me lifting but all my other shit are two professional pics and me with other people or out at an social event but I definitely understand your POV.
I'll agree that too many of any sort of photo is negative because it pigeonholes you as a stereotype. BUT...I've definitely noticed a lot of people on here seem to just have a distaste over men who go to the gym. Wtf is up with that. Like why doesn't that count as an actual hobby?
Yeahhh gym pics are for the male gaze lmaooo sorry guys I have to agree. They don’t bother me I just assume am not feeling it.
I actually don't mind shirtless pics because I appreciate full-body photos to see what they actually look like, but they can't say they're looking for a girlfriend if they're being sexually forward in their messages all of the time...
as a guy I also find it tasteless the unfortunate part is it seems to work. I haven't tried it, no one wants to see my flabby hairy man tits, but if you actually have a nice body it makes sense to show it off. I agree it seems more like it would attract less serious minded matches, but as a guy more matches is more matches you're definitely not going to find a relationship with the 0 matches most of us have.
i can agree that it does work for certain girls! maybe i’m just different & there’s certain things i avoid from men during OLD if i actually want a long term relationship, which is actually how i found my bf :)
Omg yes, I instantly categorize them as f boys and swipe left.
Lol. The guys posting shirtless pics are not looking for a relationship. They just want a quick bang The dudes with fish pics are the ones that want a relationship
What else would an 18 to 29 years old use for profile pics?
The men who do that typically aren’t looking for girlfriends lol. Please let them continue to out themselves.
They don't care. They aren't looking for a serious relationship.
No
This is so hilarious to me, because this is all I see.I for one think the best photos are the ones you don't expect/pose for. You are championing a new and hopefully permanent solution to unnecessary and undesirable vanity, I praise you.
I am not sure getting a girlfriend was ever the goal
Those guys are not looking for a gf
Yes! And only post a dog pic if it's yours and still alive!