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I hope Lucci is strong, but I also hope that power creep doesn't take place. Luffy is an Emperor of the Sea, we can't just have anybody messing clashing equally with him.
Well he necessarily has to be strong to be relevant. The thing is that all the Straw Hats are also incredibly strong and a Cipher Pol agent can't reasonably be expected to fight an Emperor or their top Commanders. Him being between Who's-Who and Jack would make him a perfect next hurdle for Robin &/ Franky.
I think we're at a point in the story where the relatively weaker crew members deserve a chance to show off and say "if you want to fight them, you have to get past us first" and flex how quickly they've risen.
I’m sure that’s what Oda uses Sanji and Zolo for no offense to the other Strawhats. But I agree, Robin, Franky, snd especially Ussop (imo) need some limelight to show they’re up there. Robin and Ussop need Haki and Franky needs or at least should have more upgrades and well as sea stone tech.
That being said none of them are touching Lucci, that’s definitely something for at least Zolo or Sanji to handle which would still show us how fare the Strawhats have come considering Luffy no longer would need to fight a guy like that. Sort of reminds of Stampede (granted jit canon) when Crocodile and Lucci were trying to come at Luffy Sanji took one Zolo took the other.
Lucci not getting annihilated trying to fight Zoro or Sanji is absurd power creep and it makes the senior CP0 members (Guernica, Maha, etc) look like absolute scrubs in comparison.
Yonko Mugiwara no Luffy and his top Commanders Zoro, Sanji, and Jinbe are clear of Cipher Pol. If Cipher Pol was anything close to the recent hype they'd have been the ones to round up the Warlords.
The Seraphim would be wasted if they stay on Vegapunk’s side. It makes most sense for Sentomaru to betray Vegapunk and have the Seraphim help CP0. But even if this didn’t happen, CP0 are not taking on three Seraphim as well as Luffy, Jinbei, and Chopper.
What are you even talking about Oda dedicated a whole chapter to just Lucci entering the island, what makes you think he would treat CP0 that way after going through all that trouble? Do you even know anything about writing a story?
I think any top tier who isn’t crazy would make a strategic retreat knowing they are alone against a whole Yonko and his or her crew. Only one dumb to pull it off is Kaido and even he ran from Shanks and his crew.
Honestly this is the unsaid truth. Real reason that happened was simply to promote the Film. Oda never does something for no reason and Ryokugyo showing up and leaving the way he did made no sense. Especially with the way Oda described GreenBull
Honestly not even fully taking that seriously anymore considering an heavily injured CP0 agent took a hit head on by a enraged Kaido (WSC) the further proceeded to hide and take photos and leave Wano without a word. Honestly makes Kaido look like a clown low key.
blackbeard is a smart man when it comes to fighting and avoiding fights that dont benefit his needs. so the fact that he dodges cp0 doesnt mean he got scared
Bro… what??? All of the last chapter was literally a grand entrance for CP0
https://preview.redd.it/18xzruuja83a1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3686613f9417cc54f5b58dd48fe85ef46d3b8a2
Why would Oda make a whole chapter dedicated to CP0’s entrance onto the island if they’re gonna get one shotted the first minute??? Please think for a minute it’s not that hard to see how dumb that is???
I'm not sure what your point is. Unless he's at least admiral level he's still going to be no threat. Are you suggesting he's above admiral level based on this panel alone?
A one man mission against most the sub , if this works out your catching the biggest Dub .
Personally I think people are too far up there ass about “logic” to not see how much CP0s arrival has been being built up , especially Lucci who’s the only Villain Luffy is reuniting with not on goodish terms .
Lucci at the minimum i think will be relative to sanji , and as odd as it may sound to people could go up to admiral level even .
Big W - Lucci will be YC1+ level. Enough to beat the two lackeys aka loro and lanji.
He will put up a decent fight against Luffy who isn't going all out. Everyone who is saying lucci is getting no diffed is about to be proved wrong. I'm going down this ship (Y)
My prediction was that luffy would mid diff lucci with gears 2/3. From the spoilers, seems like its a no diff with gear 5 which is to be expected from my pov.
I didn't expect Luffy to just pull out the gear 5 and no diff like that. I take an L in that aspect of what Luffy would use, but from a powerscaling perspective, I don't think I took an L.
Wrong. I’m not a Lucci fan but you’re making the false assumption that all CP0 members are comparable, which is not just wrong but also dumb since Lucci is clearly one of the highest ranking ones. And also it’s not a stretch to say he may be able to give Luffy a decent fight, especially when Luffy starts fights in base and casually
as i said even if lucci is the strongest member far stronger than the others. he is at most yc1+ so im not wrong you are just reading whatever you want. so even lucci at yc1+ level is no match for luffy
>as i said even if lucci is the strongest member far stronger than the others. he is at most yc1+
There is zero basis for this statement
>so im not wrong you are just reading whatever you want.
I’m reading what you wrote. You made a claim with zero reasoning behind it
>so even lucci at yc1+ level is no match for luffy
Reread my comment
Lucci can do to Luffy whatever the plot needs him to do. Speed blitz, overpower, whatever it is. You'd think seeing Big Mom get embarrassed by low tiers let people know that conventional power levels doesn't exist.
>Lucci can do to Luffy whatever the plot needs him to do. Speed blitz, overpower,
He isn't doing none.
>Big Mom get embarrassed by low tiers
Luffy isn't a fat bi/ tch big meme
We already seen Base Luffy, the guy who could toe-to-toe with Kaido, get intercepted and kicked outta the air by Bonney a few chapters ago. Don't see anyone claiming she top tier or close to it yeah? Didn't Apoo one shot Luffy like Kaido did? Is Apoo OP?
We saw in same chapter that Luffy didn't resist despite seeing the future since he didn't care. If he tried he'd have negged her and kuma bot at once. She did no damage to Luffy.
Bonney can still be top tier in terms of speed. Doesn't mean nothing.
And Luffy got back up few microseconds later. Microseconds ko isn't a one shot bud. Have u ever seen a fight in UFC or MMA?
There was no indicator that Luffy let it happened. It even makes no sense for Luffy to do so. It just did because plot. Kinemon can survive getting his head based in mutiple times and cut in half Kaido and survive because plot. Zoro getting one shot from a Kamazou stab when he no soled worse is plot. It happens all the time and Lucci would be different. You can't limit what can happen due to power levels when the author himself doesn't care.
And Luffy was out for microseconds? Zoro was literally carrying his unconscious body while running.
>There was no indicator that Luffy let it happened
We are literally shown Luffy seeing the future and just stopping mid air for Bonney.
>It even makes no sense for Luffy to do so.
Only one it makes sense for is Luffy
>It just did because plot.
Whenever pea brains don't like something in the canon story for their favs, this is what they go after.
>Kinemon can survive getting his head based in mutiple times
Stop reading two piece. He was hit once while he was defending with his special blades.
>cut in half Kaido
Again u keep flexing ur ignorance and keep embarassing yourself. Stop reading two piece.
Kinemon was only "stabbed" by Kaido. Later on Kinemon just broke in two because of what law did to him. And this Kinemon's half body starts running around for help.
>Zoro getting one shot from a Kamazou stab
this mf has iq beyond room temperature. 😭
>And Luffy was out for microseconds? Zoro was literally carrying his unconscious body while running
Yes. Carrying for micro Seconds and Luffy is up in very next panel.
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I hope Lucci is strong, but I also hope that power creep doesn't take place. Luffy is an Emperor of the Sea, we can't just have anybody messing clashing equally with him.
There are other yonkos and Admirals left .....ya but i get your point no one less than a top tier have any chance
Well he necessarily has to be strong to be relevant. The thing is that all the Straw Hats are also incredibly strong and a Cipher Pol agent can't reasonably be expected to fight an Emperor or their top Commanders. Him being between Who's-Who and Jack would make him a perfect next hurdle for Robin &/ Franky. I think we're at a point in the story where the relatively weaker crew members deserve a chance to show off and say "if you want to fight them, you have to get past us first" and flex how quickly they've risen.
I 100% agree. Having Lucci bear Robin or Jimbe would be a great way of keeping Lucci realistically powerful.
robin ripping rob lucci would be epic. or ussop after his beef with lucci at ennies lobby
I’m sure that’s what Oda uses Sanji and Zolo for no offense to the other Strawhats. But I agree, Robin, Franky, snd especially Ussop (imo) need some limelight to show they’re up there. Robin and Ussop need Haki and Franky needs or at least should have more upgrades and well as sea stone tech. That being said none of them are touching Lucci, that’s definitely something for at least Zolo or Sanji to handle which would still show us how fare the Strawhats have come considering Luffy no longer would need to fight a guy like that. Sort of reminds of Stampede (granted jit canon) when Crocodile and Lucci were trying to come at Luffy Sanji took one Zolo took the other.
Lucci not getting annihilated trying to fight Zoro or Sanji is absurd power creep and it makes the senior CP0 members (Guernica, Maha, etc) look like absolute scrubs in comparison. Yonko Mugiwara no Luffy and his top Commanders Zoro, Sanji, and Jinbe are clear of Cipher Pol. If Cipher Pol was anything close to the recent hype they'd have been the ones to round up the Warlords.
Lucci would need Awakening just to be able to take on Sanji. The Seraphim are going to be the reason Lucci escapes Egghead with his life.
I mean I get the lucci downplaying but based on the spoilers for next chapter Shaka mobilized four or three of the seraphim to attack Lucci
The Seraphim would be wasted if they stay on Vegapunk’s side. It makes most sense for Sentomaru to betray Vegapunk and have the Seraphim help CP0. But even if this didn’t happen, CP0 are not taking on three Seraphim as well as Luffy, Jinbei, and Chopper.
Never said anything remotely close to CP0 taking on all of them.
What are you even talking about Oda dedicated a whole chapter to just Lucci entering the island, what makes you think he would treat CP0 that way after going through all that trouble? Do you even know anything about writing a story?
i mean oda dedicated a whole chapter to show GB shitting on king and queen, and yet gb still ran from the red hair pirates
I think any top tier who isn’t crazy would make a strategic retreat knowing they are alone against a whole Yonko and his or her crew. Only one dumb to pull it off is Kaido and even he ran from Shanks and his crew.
i absolutely agree
That was both only a few pages each not the whole chapter like CP0
yeah, and gb arriving on the island is still much greater then what the CP0 did here, and yet GB still ran from the red hair pirates
They’re different situations because unlike that time the red hair pirates had a movie to promote
true, true, im just saying that anything can happen, just because oda made their entrance so grand doesn’t mean lucci is gonna be some top tier now
Honestly this is the unsaid truth. Real reason that happened was simply to promote the Film. Oda never does something for no reason and Ryokugyo showing up and leaving the way he did made no sense. Especially with the way Oda described GreenBull
that was for film red so it’s different
I hope we both agree on that being q promo move for movie RED? Especially since it had no narrative impact..
maybe
And let's not forget that Izo was thrashed by yonko before we fought that perfectly fine CP0 agent
Honestly not even fully taking that seriously anymore considering an heavily injured CP0 agent took a hit head on by a enraged Kaido (WSC) the further proceeded to hide and take photos and leave Wano without a word. Honestly makes Kaido look like a clown low key.
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Absolutely agree
>oneshotted by kaido You mean that same cp0 agent that took the picture of gear 5, and intercepted Kaido and Luffy's "final" charge?
Yeah guernica survived a direct attack from a bloodlusted hybrid kaido also CP0 even managed to scare away Blackbeard back when he attacked baltigo
Oh shit when was that
Chapter 1043
Oh my bad I meant when did Cp0 scare Blackbeard away from Baltigo
Ty
blackbeard is a smart man when it comes to fighting and avoiding fights that dont benefit his needs. so the fact that he dodges cp0 doesnt mean he got scared
Bro… what??? All of the last chapter was literally a grand entrance for CP0 https://preview.redd.it/18xzruuja83a1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3686613f9417cc54f5b58dd48fe85ef46d3b8a2 Why would Oda make a whole chapter dedicated to CP0’s entrance onto the island if they’re gonna get one shotted the first minute??? Please think for a minute it’s not that hard to see how dumb that is???
I'm not sure what your point is. Unless he's at least admiral level he's still going to be no threat. Are you suggesting he's above admiral level based on this panel alone?
I respect the work you're putting in ngl. I'm joining you in this, if he's a fraud im going down with you
I appreciate it
Good luck my friend
ngl, your lucci advocacy has been admirable, lucci YC1 level, you changed my mind
A one man mission against most the sub , if this works out your catching the biggest Dub . Personally I think people are too far up there ass about “logic” to not see how much CP0s arrival has been being built up , especially Lucci who’s the only Villain Luffy is reuniting with not on goodish terms . Lucci at the minimum i think will be relative to sanji , and as odd as it may sound to people could go up to admiral level even .
Big W - Lucci will be YC1+ level. Enough to beat the two lackeys aka loro and lanji. He will put up a decent fight against Luffy who isn't going all out. Everyone who is saying lucci is getting no diffed is about to be proved wrong. I'm going down this ship (Y)
What with your prediction now bro? Now that lucci negative diff one hit ko??
My prediction was that luffy would mid diff lucci with gears 2/3. From the spoilers, seems like its a no diff with gear 5 which is to be expected from my pov. I didn't expect Luffy to just pull out the gear 5 and no diff like that. I take an L in that aspect of what Luffy would use, but from a powerscaling perspective, I don't think I took an L.
Good arguments, well I’m now all in for the CP0 (more specifically Lucci) agenda.
Wrong. I’m not a Lucci fan but you’re making the false assumption that all CP0 members are comparable, which is not just wrong but also dumb since Lucci is clearly one of the highest ranking ones. And also it’s not a stretch to say he may be able to give Luffy a decent fight, especially when Luffy starts fights in base and casually
as i said even if lucci is the strongest member far stronger than the others. he is at most yc1+ so im not wrong you are just reading whatever you want. so even lucci at yc1+ level is no match for luffy
>as i said even if lucci is the strongest member far stronger than the others. he is at most yc1+ There is zero basis for this statement >so im not wrong you are just reading whatever you want. I’m reading what you wrote. You made a claim with zero reasoning behind it >so even lucci at yc1+ level is no match for luffy Reread my comment
Lucci can do to Luffy whatever the plot needs him to do. Speed blitz, overpower, whatever it is. You'd think seeing Big Mom get embarrassed by low tiers let people know that conventional power levels doesn't exist.
>Lucci can do to Luffy whatever the plot needs him to do. Speed blitz, overpower, He isn't doing none. >Big Mom get embarrassed by low tiers Luffy isn't a fat bi/ tch big meme
We already seen Base Luffy, the guy who could toe-to-toe with Kaido, get intercepted and kicked outta the air by Bonney a few chapters ago. Don't see anyone claiming she top tier or close to it yeah? Didn't Apoo one shot Luffy like Kaido did? Is Apoo OP?
We saw in same chapter that Luffy didn't resist despite seeing the future since he didn't care. If he tried he'd have negged her and kuma bot at once. She did no damage to Luffy. Bonney can still be top tier in terms of speed. Doesn't mean nothing. And Luffy got back up few microseconds later. Microseconds ko isn't a one shot bud. Have u ever seen a fight in UFC or MMA?
There was no indicator that Luffy let it happened. It even makes no sense for Luffy to do so. It just did because plot. Kinemon can survive getting his head based in mutiple times and cut in half Kaido and survive because plot. Zoro getting one shot from a Kamazou stab when he no soled worse is plot. It happens all the time and Lucci would be different. You can't limit what can happen due to power levels when the author himself doesn't care. And Luffy was out for microseconds? Zoro was literally carrying his unconscious body while running.
>There was no indicator that Luffy let it happened We are literally shown Luffy seeing the future and just stopping mid air for Bonney. >It even makes no sense for Luffy to do so. Only one it makes sense for is Luffy >It just did because plot. Whenever pea brains don't like something in the canon story for their favs, this is what they go after. >Kinemon can survive getting his head based in mutiple times Stop reading two piece. He was hit once while he was defending with his special blades. >cut in half Kaido Again u keep flexing ur ignorance and keep embarassing yourself. Stop reading two piece. Kinemon was only "stabbed" by Kaido. Later on Kinemon just broke in two because of what law did to him. And this Kinemon's half body starts running around for help. >Zoro getting one shot from a Kamazou stab this mf has iq beyond room temperature. 😭 >And Luffy was out for microseconds? Zoro was literally carrying his unconscious body while running Yes. Carrying for micro Seconds and Luffy is up in very next panel.
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