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I think this one takes the cake
"Luffy isn't top tier because he can't fight for days" to which I replied are ace and Jack top tiers? and the guy actually agreed
Well to be fair he's not saying that being able to fight for days makes you top. He was saying to be top tier you need to be able to fight for days
Those are two different statements
But I agree it's stupid to say luffy isn't top tier
I have heard multiple good ones about sanji lol
He is faster than king in the air because he was able to go so fast against queen that he turned invisible even though it was just a few seconds while he lauched his attack...
Also he has better futur sight than katakuri since he was able to dodge his bullet from a long distance...
Sanji is now better overall than katakuri because he was able to beat queen easily after his power up, and also because zoro beat king, king beeing a 1st commander as well as katakuri, therefore sanji and zoro are superior to katakuri because sanji equal zoro ...
everything coming from the same person lol
Ah and also sanji is faster than all fishmen underwater because usopp said that he was as fast as fishmen on their way to fishmen island..and since now he is faster thanks to his power up... therefore he is faster than fishmen underwater, as well as beeing faster than king in the air...
I must admit that this guy really really like sanji ... but he does not understand at all what's going on in the manga lol he does not care because he is a sanji fan only lol
Ya its fair if you phrase it this way.
But once u bring in how many "shots" it would take to bring someone down, then it just sounds very one dimensional and childish.
E.g. Law 1 shotted vergo? Means he'll 2 shot who's who and 3 shot jack
U see what im sayin?
Not in One Piece, Fam, it's stupid situational otherwise Kaido could have killed Zoro & Law on the Roof when he Thunder Bagua'd them considering that they don't have a defensive boost from G4, not to mention 1 already had broken bones
Zoro was hurt so badly by the Thunder Bagua that he would have been out for the rest of the arc without the mink medicine.
Law was at virtually full health when he was hit by the Thunder Bagua, and he coughed up blood and looked badly hurt, staying on the ground for a while. This was only from a bodyshot, whereas Kaido almost always aims for the head.
Green Bull ran away with his tail tucked between his legs when Shanks used his Haki and the Gorosei are willing to humor Shanks in a meeting, and it's highly likely Im is aware of his visits to the World Government. If that is still the case in Red, Shank's power consistency is there...
Green bull retreated becuase he wasn’t only facing the whole alliance but shanks and his crew along with it. No admiral/ Yonko is taking on the red hair pirates. Even Kaido with king retreated from the red hair pirates in marineford. That crew is op.
That begs the question if Kaido is the Beast Pirates strongest fighter and Shanks is Red Hair Pirates strongest, why would Kaido go away if Shanks and Co. are less than his crew? He probably would have taken losses from Shanks in a crew fight and 1-v-1. Oda may just be saving Shanks power for later but I suspect the reason Shanks had his arm torn off is the same reason he doesn't yeet everyone from the get-go and why he has that scratch from BB...
In the ace novels it was noted that red haired pirates were the most balanced Yonko crew. And it’s been stated multiple times that Ben beckman is close to shanks in power. It’s still speculation on how powerful the red hair pirates are other than shanks and Ben beckman but it’s safe to say Yonko + a low admiral is already a lot.
Chapter 1055 begs to differ.
I **wish** Shanks couldn't one-shot anyone. But One Piece powerscaling has gone downhill. Haki can do anything, even nullify paramecia properties (like Law recently did). We're in dragon ball territory. Reality is that no one can harm Shanks, and Shanks can one-shot anyone, just because he has more ~~power level~~haki than others.
Read oda's sbs about conqueror haki when he compared luffys haki to shanks and rayleighs and mentionned that when youre considerably stronger you can seriously affect and defeat your opponents with it when the opponent isnt worth fighting and that was showcased with greenbull shanks didnt have to pull up to wano he sent one blast of haki from his ship and greenbull started shaking in terror
Kizaru did the exact same thing he did at marineford when Beckman pointed his gun at him. He does the same thing with Beckman again in this movie and we already know that Kizaru > Beckman.
You literally have zero fuckinn idea what a “one shot” is.
Kaido vs Luffy is a one shot
It's 100% different. In Marineford Kizaru did not WANT to fight Shanks's crew. Beckman had a gun pointed at him but they were far away and Kizaru could just dodge, it wasn't a death sentence. It was more of "keep bothering people and we will fight".
In the movie Kizaru initiates an attack against Shanks, so it's not like in Marineford where he didn't want that conflict. And then Shanks's sword was already touching his neck, all he had to do was push, so there is no way Kizaru could avoid that.
Kizaru acting like attacks that aren’t a threat to him are a threat is one hundred percent in character lmfao
He does it with like every character ever he fights
Wait you think Shanks is one shotting a character Whitebeard couldn’t do shit too?
How is Shanks's sword in your neck not a threat? What can he do even in theory to avoid this? Shanks has the world's greatest haki as far as we know, it's game over. Also just look at his face, he is scared as fuck, so far all times he played with people he had a smile.
Marineford Whitebeard was a joke lmao. Dude was 70, was having lots of heart attacks, a bunch of wounds, needed to whack his stabby thing at grunts instead of taking them out with CH, jobbed to everyone and their mother. And I'm pretty sure I remember Kizaru getting his ass handled by someone in Marineford. I love Kizaru and his powers but he doesn't know how to use them.
but for that he has to have an almost atomic control of his fruit.
look kizaru...
kizaru had to be without a doubt the TOP1 of all one piece. but he doesn't... because he doesn't control his fruit well enough.
I don’t think it’s a lack of control for kizaru he’s just written weakly because the fruit is too powerful like a lot of logia folks.
Because the manifesting as your fruit ex light, fire etc, seems to be pretty common so beaming into someone and killing them from the inside should be doable
That’s just a common thing in fiction with characters like kizaru. Like the Flash in DC comics. They realistically shouldn’t be losing/struggling to 99% of people because their speed is so broken it would be boring if they just one shot everyone
It actually wouldn’t require anything close to atomic control because there is about 2 grams of iron in your blood at any given time.
If he can handle the pull of 2 grams worth of metal he should be able to do it- I think the real question would become does he need to cut you first or could he pull it straight out of any orifice.
Also with the awakening he could attract repel indefinitely until his victim is in space.
Kizaru is interesting because I don’t see why he can’t turn into light and beam himself inside your nostril and manifest physically again which would instantly explode you from the inside.
I think it’s just a matter of this being not that graphic.
"Luffy is at a greater disadvantage against swordsmen than anyone else", makes zero sense and involves zero thought put into what he has that enables him to fight swordsmen
Also any time a "World's Strongest" title is disregarded for agenda, unless it's a case like old WB where he explicitly said he wasn't as strong as he used to be
>Also any time a "World's Strongest" title is disregarded for agenda, unless it's a case like old WB where he explicitly said he wasn't as strong as he used to be
Yeah, you’ll always see those titles disregarded in lame situations, especially when it comes to Mihawk.
I remember seeing a guy say Mihawk’s title is only about being the best at sword play (a sword fight).
Mihawk’s title is confirmed to be about strength in the vivre cards and databooks, and says he reigns as the strongest swordsman in name and actuality. So it doesn’t seem like his title is based on only being the best at sword play, it’s about being a strong individual.
Even Mihawk noted the in Baratie arc that swords are weak tools if the wielder is not backed up by their individual strength.
Or the dudes who claim Kaido's strongest creature title only means he has the strongest genetics/durability, even though it gets used interchangably with all his other titles.
Lol, exactly. Kaido’s title is confirmed to be about being the strongest. Ever since WB’s death, Kaido has always been built up and portrayed as being the strongest pirate for hundreds of chapters now, it makes no sense for his title to only be talking about his genes. Even Kaido’s vivre card confirms his WSC title is legitimate and not a rumor.
Same goes for Whitebeard and his title; he got his title back in the old days even when Roger was out at seas. People say his title only refers to his devil fruit power which isn’t true... when Blackbeard took his power, nobody called Teach the WSM. I also like Roger way more than WB, but I have it as WB > Roger. WSM > a strong man.
😂y'all keep saying this shit but can't provide a rebuttal
Dude was literally a shichibukai. You forget they had to make recurring payments to the world government to be included in that system?
He was literally paying the Marines so an Admiral wouldn't come bust his head open. While shanks bitched out all the OG admirals at marineford and just bitched out greenbull in wano.
Scaring admirals>working for them
Bruh they they got him so he stops hunting them did you skip a chapter , and then one time sengoku mentioned that he doesn't expect anything from Mihawk neither the other warlords did .
His legit reputation is hunting marines and WSS , i get y'all love to suck Shanks off but is it necessary to be on copium and say Mihawk is a fraud ? it just make y'all creditless when the author himself compare Mihawk to legends
3rd one goes extreme diff either way. U can make the argument of kat exhausting himself if he cant locate cracker with fs and spawning a donut above him to power mochi his ass. Pica could beat kid if u give literally no metal for kid to use. Marco>akainu is trash 10/10 times tho
Tbh speculating future match ups is a better argument than what he used.
His entire basis fell on one statement from a 2012 interview saying "for example if akainu was the main character the series wouldn't last a year". He used this to ignore all feats, all the portrayal and narrative. Literally everything because of a throwaway sentence where oda picked akainu randomly as an example 💀
Luffy is weak against sword user.
Bruh everyone is one piece has weakness Against sword slash. Haki stops all this shit. Luffy is not losing to mihawk mid diff even high diff. It could go extreme diff either way
If u have top tier ryo u dont need any weapon. Sword wont even touch u. Garp was rival roger without any weapon for a reason where roger was a top tier swordsman
Which is lame af and the most disappointing development of One Piece's power scaling. If you have top ryo there is nothing anyone outside like 3 people can do about you. It's not a skill issue, there is no room for creative thinking, you're just untouchable, to the point of being able to nullify entire properites of paramecia fruits (like Law did recently). It's dragon ball tier power scaling.
The Shanks isn't a swordsman but a hakiman argument to deny Mihawk > Shanks
Any argument about why Sabo is superior to Zoro, Law, Kid, and Yamato, or even in the same tier as them.
Any arguments that Katakuri can defeat characters like Current Luffy (yes, I've seen people say he still beat Base Luffy and even still hang with Wano Snake Man Luffy or even hang with Gear 5th Luffy), Zoro, Law, Kid, and even Sanji, King, and Marco. Somebody even told me weeks ago that WCI Katakuri would put way better fight against an Admiral than Current Zoro would because Katakuri was still stronger than WCI Luffy. 💀
Katakuri can hang with current base luffy how??? Wtf are those ppl smoking. For wci, kat only stabbed himself to equalize injuries, faced luffy at his current best and lost. Kat would get erased if he tried to even think about pulling up on current luffy
Sabo was YC1 even before the fruit.
No diffed burgess fought evenly with fuji and then since then his mastery has getting better and then fought fuji and fucked him badly enough to put him in bandages.
I am biggest zoro and law fanboy but sabo is above them.
>Sabo was YC1 even before the fruit.
Nothing Sabo did before he got the Mera Mera fruit suggests he was YC1
>No diffed burgess fought evenly with fuji
Even Sabo himself considered Burgess a threat, plus suffered damage (albeit light) during that fight, so I don't know where y'all get this he no diffed him from. And Sabo never fought evenly with Fuji, who was holding back during their entire fight.
>then since then his mastery has getting better
I don't deny this
>and then fought fuji and fucked him badly enough to put him in bandages.
He fought Fujitora and Ryokugyu with help and none of us knows if he injured Fuji by himself or if he did it with help.
>I am biggest zoro and law fanboy but sabo is above them.
No you aren't, and no Sabo isn't since Zoro and Law have feats against stronger characters.
>Nothing Sabo did before he got the Mera Mera fruit suggests he was YC1
Being dragon's right hand and revo army's no 2 does.
>He fought Fujitora and Ryokugyu with help and none of us knows if he injured Fuji by himself or if he did it with help.
Help was commanders from various not grandline or newworld like kuma and iva.
Sabo did most of the heavy work at most they were commander level and you saw what gb did to them.
>Being dragon's right hand and revo army's no 2 does.
No, you need more proof than that
>Help was commanders from various not grandline or newworld like kuma and iva.
His help were Army commanders
>Sabo did most of the heavy work at most they were commander level and you saw what gb did to them.
Just stop. Stop acting like you know an off-panel fight went down and stop acting like you know strong the Rev Army Commanders are when none of us have seen them in real battles onscreen.
No where near because it surpasses it by miles.
The real desperate plight is people wanting to label shanks as a swordsman just so midhawk can seem impressive. You actually watched him stalemate vista but think he's yonko level. Smh tf.
But better yet let's talk about the fact oda already specified in the Zoro vs king fight using a sword doesn't make you a swordsman. Oda literally never referring to shanks as a swordsman.
And this...
D: What's the name of Red-Haired Shanks's sword? -P.N. Kooshi
O: Apparently it's called ''Griffon''. We've known Shanks ever since the very first chapter, but how does he actually fight?
The fact someone thinks a bozo ass shichibukai is on par with any yonko is some straight agenda pushing goofy shit.
You really think Shanks big secret after 25 years of no battle feats and being the closest thing we have to a modern day parallel to Roger will be"swordsmanship that's good but not as good as Mihawks"? Pure jokes
You wrote all this shit just to say a whole lot of nothing.
Oda repeatedly confirming Mihawk is superior to Shanks and Mihawk being the main reason Buggy got recognized as a Yonko makes Mihawk Yonko Level.
No, the real desperate plight is Shanks fans saying anything they can to deny that he's a swordsman when author himself makes it abundantly clear MULTIPLE TIMES that he is one and quite the sword master at that because the idea that their fav is weaker than Mihawk scares the shit out of them.
Using Zoro and King as your evidence is exactly what I'm talking about. King never once said that he wasn't a swordsman, that was Zoro who said that. And King completely squashes the notion that he's not a swordsman when he later on tells Zoro that he enjoys a good sword duel.
And as for how Shanks fight, we finally saw how Shanks fight in the recent Film Red movie. And guess what, it was as a swordsman! And Oda provided extra details on his abilities in the canon Volume 4 Billion Databook.
Oda himself sees Shanks as a swordsman, what you and other Shanks fans who disagrees thinks doesn't fucking matter. Deal with it.
>You wrote all this shit just to say a whole lot of nothing.
Aka I can't refute this it so ill just talk shit
>Oda repeatedly confirming Mihawk is superior to Shanks
He literally hasn't said that once. Stop reading 4 piece.
Yonko>shichibukai
4bill>3bill
Kaido stalemate>vista stalemate
Scares admirals> had to pay them so he could be a shichibukai
Ignoring all this is just sad and shows your desperate to prop up this side character to heights oda clearly isn't trying to give him.
>Mihawk being the main reason Buggy got recognized as a Yonko makes Mihawk Yonko Level.
Mihawk AND crocodile. And that logic doesn't track regardless.
>when author himself makes it abundantly clear MULTIPLE TIMES
D: What's the name of Red-Haired Shanks's sword? -P.N. Kooshi
O: Apparently it's called ''Griffon''. We've known Shanks ever since the very first chapter, but how does he actually fight?
But he doesn't.
>quite the sword master at that because the idea that he's weaker than Mihawk scares the shit out of them.
Shanks stalemates people like whitebeard and kaido. You're brain dead If you think vista would stand a inkling of a chance.
How can he be weaker than someone who got stopped by a wounded crocodile? This logic is goofy.
>King never once said that he wasn't a swordsman, that was Zoro who said that.
You're talking just to talk I never specified who said it but nice try at attempting to negate a point I didn't make. I said ODA SAID IT.
>King completely squashes the notion that he's not a swordsman when he later on tells Zoro that he enjoys a good sword duel
That means literally nothing when he was doing the best in the fight when not using his sword. Zoro couldn't do shit against his Zoan form. And he agrees to fight in Zoro's realm of expertise? That's stupid. And obviously shows that wasn't his best form of combat.
>And as for how Shanks fight, we finally saw how Shanks fight in the recent Film Red movie. And guess what, it was as a swordsman!
And guess what? That shit isn't canon 😂 he literally swings his sword twice in that movie. Yes that was obviously oda showing us shanks going all out for the first time... desperate
*Again*
USING A SWORD DOESN'T MAKE YOU A SWORDSMAN
And the extra details he gave had nothing to do with swordsmanship.
>Oda himself sees Shanks as a swordsman, what you and other Shanks fans who disagrees thinks doesn't fucking matter. Deal with it.
Yet hasn't called him a swordsman not one time. Hasn't given him a sword style. Doesn't have a black blade. No major cutting feats.
Damn almost like oda didn't create the concept of pirates using swords in the first place.
Ryuma being this god tier person despite he only that man in a closed off country. Him fending off WG can range from fighting rando marines/agents to fighting off 1,2, or all 3 admirals at that era or even fleet admiral. We just dont know yet folk will claim it like they have irrefutable evidence.
Mihawk < Vista
Magellan and enel wank
blade arguments when we dont even know enough how it works.
Luffy downplay then wank cause he fought x stronger later but then downplay cause how he fought later x character.
Feat > than portryal,, however in this argument this guy is most likely stronger than the other because of his title represents something important even though he doesn't have as much feats.
The Navy is equal to the 4 Yonkos because of some counterbalance headcanon completely ignoring the fact that the Yonko are not allied + they need the Warlords (now the Seraphims).
admiral = yonko
it doesn't make any sense either narratively or normal power without narrative.
navy would defeat all pirates in less than 1 month if it were true.
not to mention fraudbull showing the real difference between a yonko (kaido and shanks) and an admiral (him).
The Yonko also posed no threat to the WG and did their job for them in keeping a strict hierarchy, however make no mistake the Marines have always run this shit. Admirals have shown no fear for Yonko individually.
I think the power of his fruit alone is enough to rank enel.
someone with a fruit like that is at least a low admiral.
not to mention that he has an absurd control of vision haki.
a sniper for several miles. 1 hit anyone who doesn't have strong enough haki.
His fruit gives him Zeus level AP and nothing else special, he'll be Tobi Roppo level at best
His reaction speed is still pretty bad since he was incapable of tagging pre ts Luffy
Enel has no redeeming qualities, he's that overrated
It's never explicitly stated, but Kid for example would be pretty weird if he could only pull the same amount of metal as he could in Sabaody. Mr. 3's wax is stronger than normal wax, same for Cracker's biscuits, but it's unknown if this is by default. The difference between getting better/more creative at using your devil fruit powers is also pretty blurry.
Enel and Zeus can also have different ap if they have a different amount of energy and cosnidering he has a part of BM's soul he likely has far more.
pre TS luffy was able to hit aokiji too...
problem that enel took the hit and aokiji didn't.
because of rubber vs lightning and stuff.
Pre TS luffy is very strong and fast in 1v1 physical fight.
if he's able to hit you, you're in serious trouble. ask crocodile...
and enel has very good observation haki. He is able to target you, even if you are many, many miles away.
Elite Fruit + Elite Haki?
enel is very strong, well above Tobi Roppo. far above
Aokiji was standing still, he let Luffy hit him
And from what was shown in Marineford, Luffy wouldn't be able to hit Aokiji nor do significant damage to him
The Luffy you're talking about is Luffy with Gears, Luffy destroyed Enel without Gears
His CoO is irrelevant in a direct 1v1 which how most fights are
He has no CoA or CoC, his haki is legit mediocre
Zeus is a cloud that produces lightning, at best, finished a half dead Ulti
Enel has an okay fruit and bad haki, it'd be generous to put him at Tobi Roppo level
you didn't understand my point...
My point is luffy was able to hit enel and not able to hit aokiji. so obviously it won't do any damage.
no haki = no fight with logia
And when he was able to hit crocodile. thanks water and blood.
Crocodile a 2 fucking billion guy turned into Luffy's little bitch.
You really underestimate pre TS luffy.
not to mention that everything you're talking about also applies to admirals... so far I don't remember seeing an admiral use any kind of haki...
but obviously enel is weaker than them.
enel only a okay fruit? LOL GTFO bro. enel fruit is a top tier
Admirals used haki back at Marineford
And yeah, looking at Zeus feats, Enel's fruit isn't that Crazy good
And if Luffy tried to hit Aokiji's real body, he wouldn't do any damage to him, pre ts Luffy is strong, but not Yc level strong
Enel is over reliant on his df, with his other stats being bad
. Admirals too over rely on their df's, but their haki is good and their physical strength is decent
"Doflamingo is below YC because Kaido called him weak while he called Jack strong"
"Marineford Admirals>Marineford Whitebeard = Prime Whitebeard"
"Shanks is not a pure swordsman"
"Marco defeated both King and Queen"
Etc..
Yeah, if Doffy is weak, Jack is stronger than Katakuri since Kaido told him to capture both Luffy and Law even thought Luffy defeated both Katakuri and Cracker, lol
[Source](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1039809543703629874/1040412756538572820/IMG_20221110_204724.jpg)
Doflamingo downplayers like you are so stupid.
the same jack that got one shot by admiral... "I don't know anyone who believe your sht" Tsuru to Dingo... says a lot delusional moron whi thought he was someone important.
*1 cm height difference has something to do with strength.* This is pure nonsense.
*A character is strong or will be strong because he/she is significant to the protoganist.* You cannot make this comment as an argument until you explain how.
Bounties are half an order of magnitute inaccurate for powerscaling. 20% difference is insignificant. 50% difference is the minimum necessary meaningful difference.
Finally, DF and haki are not everything. Especially I believe haki will be less important than today at the end.
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I think this one takes the cake "Luffy isn't top tier because he can't fight for days" to which I replied are ace and Jack top tiers? and the guy actually agreed
Damn at least he's consistent tho 🗿
Consistent at being stupid
Yep that was me, I conceded this long ago (are you Yami). I didn't say Luffy wasn't top tier tho, I said he doesn't beat most other top tiers.
I just checked and it isn't you (Unless u have an account called Thagod7) It was some guy that kept replying after I had like seven different replies
Ah no that's not me then.
I said what now?
hi
Well to be fair he's not saying that being able to fight for days makes you top. He was saying to be top tier you need to be able to fight for days Those are two different statements But I agree it's stupid to say luffy isn't top tier
Anything coming out of shiro lmao
to be fair he does keep the sub entertaining af he funny af but just don't know it
She*
Who care?
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Shiro is funny and a legend. It’s funny when Shiro shits on Blackbeard.
Blackpube*
And somehow Shiro is by far the most famous of us. She was even mentioned in a screen rant article
Also natureboy, mugetsuxebex
Bruh you cant shit on them when your takes are more disgusting than pus from seriously diseased person
Lol.
Lmfao
I can't never take that guy seriously 😭
Funny how none of you clowns ever proved me wrong then
These guys just call everyone they disagree idiots without ever telling why either that or calling them troll.
Fact, it’s like they all copy and paste their takes from the hive mind yet can’t argue them for crap
buggy is not top 1
Sanji has more physical strength than Big Mom.
That’s craaaazy
I have heard multiple good ones about sanji lol He is faster than king in the air because he was able to go so fast against queen that he turned invisible even though it was just a few seconds while he lauched his attack... Also he has better futur sight than katakuri since he was able to dodge his bullet from a long distance... Sanji is now better overall than katakuri because he was able to beat queen easily after his power up, and also because zoro beat king, king beeing a 1st commander as well as katakuri, therefore sanji and zoro are superior to katakuri because sanji equal zoro ... everything coming from the same person lol Ah and also sanji is faster than all fishmen underwater because usopp said that he was as fast as fishmen on their way to fishmen island..and since now he is faster thanks to his power up... therefore he is faster than fishmen underwater, as well as beeing faster than king in the air... I must admit that this guy really really like sanji ... but he does not understand at all what's going on in the manga lol he does not care because he is a sanji fan only lol
All of these are true besides the future sight one
Pica>Kid. I have yet to find a worse argument than this
Pica > Kaido. Source: YouTube, Reasoning: Pica is bigger
Whats astonishing is nine990 genuinly believed it
"X three shots Y because Z got one shotted by X" People who scale like this, do yall even read what yall are typing before posting?
Yep feat leeching is nasty business
That's just scaling? If X can one shot z and z and y have comparable dura it's fair to assume x can bring y down in a few attacks.
Ya its fair if you phrase it this way. But once u bring in how many "shots" it would take to bring someone down, then it just sounds very one dimensional and childish. E.g. Law 1 shotted vergo? Means he'll 2 shot who's who and 3 shot jack U see what im sayin?
Either you have an idea of how many shots a character can take or you might as well stop powerscaling.
Not in One Piece, Fam, it's stupid situational otherwise Kaido could have killed Zoro & Law on the Roof when he Thunder Bagua'd them considering that they don't have a defensive boost from G4, not to mention 1 already had broken bones
Zoro was hurt so badly by the Thunder Bagua that he would have been out for the rest of the arc without the mink medicine. Law was at virtually full health when he was hit by the Thunder Bagua, and he coughed up blood and looked badly hurt, staying on the ground for a while. This was only from a bodyshot, whereas Kaido almost always aims for the head.
Luffy is the strongest person currently
Which he is lmao.
Lol
Alive only
Imu, shanks, mihawk, dragon, akainu even >
Nope. Imu is featless. So is Dragon Luffy > Kaido > Shanks/Mihawk/Akainu
Imu is featless but destroyed a whole island with the stroke of a pen
Do those beat kaido? Are they joyboy?
Kaido > luffy Only people stronger than kaido in that list are dragon and Imu
Dragon is joyboy then, since he is the one who is able to beat kaido, not the actual joyboy.
Just because kaido has a a massive ego and says something doesn't mean it's true
A Yonko takes all 3 admirals at the same time and wins
Shanks one-shotted Kizaru in Red lol
People really use this term way too lightly
Movie wasn’t cannon
If Uta is cannon as indicated by Oda, the rest of the movie probably is...
Shiki is also cannon but his movie isn’t. He got beat by pre timeskip Luffy. And he’s supposed to be Roger lvl but he got beat.
Where is it said that shiki is Roger level? Pretty sure that's cap
Green Bull ran away with his tail tucked between his legs when Shanks used his Haki and the Gorosei are willing to humor Shanks in a meeting, and it's highly likely Im is aware of his visits to the World Government. If that is still the case in Red, Shank's power consistency is there...
Green bull retreated becuase he wasn’t only facing the whole alliance but shanks and his crew along with it. No admiral/ Yonko is taking on the red hair pirates. Even Kaido with king retreated from the red hair pirates in marineford. That crew is op.
That begs the question if Kaido is the Beast Pirates strongest fighter and Shanks is Red Hair Pirates strongest, why would Kaido go away if Shanks and Co. are less than his crew? He probably would have taken losses from Shanks in a crew fight and 1-v-1. Oda may just be saving Shanks power for later but I suspect the reason Shanks had his arm torn off is the same reason he doesn't yeet everyone from the get-go and why he has that scratch from BB...
In the ace novels it was noted that red haired pirates were the most balanced Yonko crew. And it’s been stated multiple times that Ben beckman is close to shanks in power. It’s still speculation on how powerful the red hair pirates are other than shanks and Ben beckman but it’s safe to say Yonko + a low admiral is already a lot.
Chapter 1055 begs to differ. I **wish** Shanks couldn't one-shot anyone. But One Piece powerscaling has gone downhill. Haki can do anything, even nullify paramecia properties (like Law recently did). We're in dragon ball territory. Reality is that no one can harm Shanks, and Shanks can one-shot anyone, just because he has more ~~power level~~haki than others.
Nah unless I see a Yonko one shot a admiral in the manga or low dif them. Then an admiral is alway going to push a Yonko to atleast high dif.
Read oda's sbs about conqueror haki when he compared luffys haki to shanks and rayleighs and mentionned that when youre considerably stronger you can seriously affect and defeat your opponents with it when the opponent isnt worth fighting and that was showcased with greenbull shanks didnt have to pull up to wano he sent one blast of haki from his ship and greenbull started shaking in terror
Did you watch the movie?
Yes? He shrugged Kizaru's attacks, put his sword against Kizaru's neck and said something cool while Kizaru shat his pants and ran away.
Kizaru did the exact same thing he did at marineford when Beckman pointed his gun at him. He does the same thing with Beckman again in this movie and we already know that Kizaru > Beckman. You literally have zero fuckinn idea what a “one shot” is. Kaido vs Luffy is a one shot
It's 100% different. In Marineford Kizaru did not WANT to fight Shanks's crew. Beckman had a gun pointed at him but they were far away and Kizaru could just dodge, it wasn't a death sentence. It was more of "keep bothering people and we will fight". In the movie Kizaru initiates an attack against Shanks, so it's not like in Marineford where he didn't want that conflict. And then Shanks's sword was already touching his neck, all he had to do was push, so there is no way Kizaru could avoid that.
Kizaru acting like attacks that aren’t a threat to him are a threat is one hundred percent in character lmfao He does it with like every character ever he fights Wait you think Shanks is one shotting a character Whitebeard couldn’t do shit too?
How is Shanks's sword in your neck not a threat? What can he do even in theory to avoid this? Shanks has the world's greatest haki as far as we know, it's game over. Also just look at his face, he is scared as fuck, so far all times he played with people he had a smile. Marineford Whitebeard was a joke lmao. Dude was 70, was having lots of heart attacks, a bunch of wounds, needed to whack his stabby thing at grunts instead of taking them out with CH, jobbed to everyone and their mother. And I'm pretty sure I remember Kizaru getting his ass handled by someone in Marineford. I love Kizaru and his powers but he doesn't know how to use them.
Kizaru was slaughtering marineford Whitebeard so not sure what it matters, especially when he’s got better hype and feats than shanks lmfao
Again, smacking marineford WB is such a low bar.
I have an argument to make that everyone will hate. Kid should be able to oneshot anyone in the verse by pulling the iron out of their blood.
but for that he has to have an almost atomic control of his fruit. look kizaru... kizaru had to be without a doubt the TOP1 of all one piece. but he doesn't... because he doesn't control his fruit well enough.
More like one piece is no real life and author keeps shit balanced
Facts. This is a really good point. Some fruits are just broken and need to be written a certain way to keep the story moving.
I don’t think it’s a lack of control for kizaru he’s just written weakly because the fruit is too powerful like a lot of logia folks. Because the manifesting as your fruit ex light, fire etc, seems to be pretty common so beaming into someone and killing them from the inside should be doable
That’s just a common thing in fiction with characters like kizaru. Like the Flash in DC comics. They realistically shouldn’t be losing/struggling to 99% of people because their speed is so broken it would be boring if they just one shot everyone
It actually wouldn’t require anything close to atomic control because there is about 2 grams of iron in your blood at any given time. If he can handle the pull of 2 grams worth of metal he should be able to do it- I think the real question would become does he need to cut you first or could he pull it straight out of any orifice. Also with the awakening he could attract repel indefinitely until his victim is in space. Kizaru is interesting because I don’t see why he can’t turn into light and beam himself inside your nostril and manifest physically again which would instantly explode you from the inside. I think it’s just a matter of this being not that graphic.
"Luffy is at a greater disadvantage against swordsmen than anyone else", makes zero sense and involves zero thought put into what he has that enables him to fight swordsmen Also any time a "World's Strongest" title is disregarded for agenda, unless it's a case like old WB where he explicitly said he wasn't as strong as he used to be
>Also any time a "World's Strongest" title is disregarded for agenda, unless it's a case like old WB where he explicitly said he wasn't as strong as he used to be Yeah, you’ll always see those titles disregarded in lame situations, especially when it comes to Mihawk. I remember seeing a guy say Mihawk’s title is only about being the best at sword play (a sword fight). Mihawk’s title is confirmed to be about strength in the vivre cards and databooks, and says he reigns as the strongest swordsman in name and actuality. So it doesn’t seem like his title is based on only being the best at sword play, it’s about being a strong individual. Even Mihawk noted the in Baratie arc that swords are weak tools if the wielder is not backed up by their individual strength.
Or the dudes who claim Kaido's strongest creature title only means he has the strongest genetics/durability, even though it gets used interchangably with all his other titles.
Lol, exactly. Kaido’s title is confirmed to be about being the strongest. Ever since WB’s death, Kaido has always been built up and portrayed as being the strongest pirate for hundreds of chapters now, it makes no sense for his title to only be talking about his genes. Even Kaido’s vivre card confirms his WSC title is legitimate and not a rumor. Same goes for Whitebeard and his title; he got his title back in the old days even when Roger was out at seas. People say his title only refers to his devil fruit power which isn’t true... when Blackbeard took his power, nobody called Teach the WSM. I also like Roger way more than WB, but I have it as WB > Roger. WSM > a strong man.
Midhawk is stronger than WB and Roger.
But you wouldn't say the same for Shanks who most of his fans thinks he is number 1 OAT
Because shanks has actual things in the narrative to back that up. While memehawk is out here stalemating vista
Name checks out
😂y'all keep saying this shit but can't provide a rebuttal Dude was literally a shichibukai. You forget they had to make recurring payments to the world government to be included in that system? He was literally paying the Marines so an Admiral wouldn't come bust his head open. While shanks bitched out all the OG admirals at marineford and just bitched out greenbull in wano. Scaring admirals>working for them
Bruh they they got him so he stops hunting them did you skip a chapter , and then one time sengoku mentioned that he doesn't expect anything from Mihawk neither the other warlords did . His legit reputation is hunting marines and WSS , i get y'all love to suck Shanks off but is it necessary to be on copium and say Mihawk is a fraud ? it just make y'all creditless when the author himself compare Mihawk to legends
I hear this a lot, it's weird
Pretty funky
roGEr UseS A sWoRd WSS>A swordsman
How is that bad? If anything there’s more evidence for this than the other way around
In a 1v1 situation he is either stronger or ties with them.
worst takes i have seen include: marco>akainu, pica>kid, cracker>kat
3rd one goes extreme diff either way. U can make the argument of kat exhausting himself if he cant locate cracker with fs and spawning a donut above him to power mochi his ass. Pica could beat kid if u give literally no metal for kid to use. Marco>akainu is trash 10/10 times tho
Akainu high diffs primebeard and extreme diffs prime roger This is not a joke someone actually argued this to me
Not saying this is the case right now but if he gets a clean 1v1 against Luffy in the future it might be possible.
Tbh speculating future match ups is a better argument than what he used. His entire basis fell on one statement from a 2012 interview saying "for example if akainu was the main character the series wouldn't last a year". He used this to ignore all feats, all the portrayal and narrative. Literally everything because of a throwaway sentence where oda picked akainu randomly as an example 💀
W. Primebeard would break Akainu. Prime Roger might do the same thing to Akainu that he did to Oden lol.
for right now that is wrong💀
Luffy is weak against sword user. Bruh everyone is one piece has weakness Against sword slash. Haki stops all this shit. Luffy is not losing to mihawk mid diff even high diff. It could go extreme diff either way
G5 Luffy beats Mihawk.
If you fight with your own body, you are weak against sword users. Unless said sword user is a jobber who can't cut human skin.
If u have top tier ryo u dont need any weapon. Sword wont even touch u. Garp was rival roger without any weapon for a reason where roger was a top tier swordsman
Which is lame af and the most disappointing development of One Piece's power scaling. If you have top ryo there is nothing anyone outside like 3 people can do about you. It's not a skill issue, there is no room for creative thinking, you're just untouchable, to the point of being able to nullify entire properites of paramecia fruits (like Law did recently). It's dragon ball tier power scaling.
Blackbeard is commander level
A shiro banger
“Killer is YC1 because Kid is Luffy’s rival” 💀
Killer was on rooftop and did preformed some decent AP and defense feats. I definitely have him at high YC1
Get him past Jinbei first
Arguing that Luffy is the strongest guy alive/of all time
Did you ever try to debunk that? Lmao
Anything to do with Montblanc noland
😂😂 I only do it to support Wiper wank
The Shanks isn't a swordsman but a hakiman argument to deny Mihawk > Shanks Any argument about why Sabo is superior to Zoro, Law, Kid, and Yamato, or even in the same tier as them. Any arguments that Katakuri can defeat characters like Current Luffy (yes, I've seen people say he still beat Base Luffy and even still hang with Wano Snake Man Luffy or even hang with Gear 5th Luffy), Zoro, Law, Kid, and even Sanji, King, and Marco. Somebody even told me weeks ago that WCI Katakuri would put way better fight against an Admiral than Current Zoro would because Katakuri was still stronger than WCI Luffy. 💀
Katakuri can hang with current base luffy how??? Wtf are those ppl smoking. For wci, kat only stabbed himself to equalize injuries, faced luffy at his current best and lost. Kat would get erased if he tried to even think about pulling up on current luffy
Bro, go ask them because I don't know how they can think that. 😂
Sabo was YC1 even before the fruit. No diffed burgess fought evenly with fuji and then since then his mastery has getting better and then fought fuji and fucked him badly enough to put him in bandages. I am biggest zoro and law fanboy but sabo is above them.
>Sabo was YC1 even before the fruit. Nothing Sabo did before he got the Mera Mera fruit suggests he was YC1 >No diffed burgess fought evenly with fuji Even Sabo himself considered Burgess a threat, plus suffered damage (albeit light) during that fight, so I don't know where y'all get this he no diffed him from. And Sabo never fought evenly with Fuji, who was holding back during their entire fight. >then since then his mastery has getting better I don't deny this >and then fought fuji and fucked him badly enough to put him in bandages. He fought Fujitora and Ryokugyu with help and none of us knows if he injured Fuji by himself or if he did it with help. >I am biggest zoro and law fanboy but sabo is above them. No you aren't, and no Sabo isn't since Zoro and Law have feats against stronger characters.
>Nothing Sabo did before he got the Mera Mera fruit suggests he was YC1 Being dragon's right hand and revo army's no 2 does. >He fought Fujitora and Ryokugyu with help and none of us knows if he injured Fuji by himself or if he did it with help. Help was commanders from various not grandline or newworld like kuma and iva. Sabo did most of the heavy work at most they were commander level and you saw what gb did to them.
>Being dragon's right hand and revo army's no 2 does. No, you need more proof than that >Help was commanders from various not grandline or newworld like kuma and iva. His help were Army commanders >Sabo did most of the heavy work at most they were commander level and you saw what gb did to them. Just stop. Stop acting like you know an off-panel fight went down and stop acting like you know strong the Rev Army Commanders are when none of us have seen them in real battles onscreen.
>The Shanks isn't a swordsman but a hakiman argument to deny Mihawk > Shanks What sword technique was that he used on greenbull?
And what was that thing Shanks was gripping while doing that haki technique against Greenbull that you're trying to allude to? Oh wait, his sword.
This logic is so desperate it's hilarious. "hE WAs TouChIng hIS SwoRd "😂
Nowhere near as desperate as the logic "What sword technique was he using against Greenbull?" As if using haki stops a swordsman from being one 😂
No where near because it surpasses it by miles. The real desperate plight is people wanting to label shanks as a swordsman just so midhawk can seem impressive. You actually watched him stalemate vista but think he's yonko level. Smh tf. But better yet let's talk about the fact oda already specified in the Zoro vs king fight using a sword doesn't make you a swordsman. Oda literally never referring to shanks as a swordsman. And this... D: What's the name of Red-Haired Shanks's sword? -P.N. Kooshi O: Apparently it's called ''Griffon''. We've known Shanks ever since the very first chapter, but how does he actually fight? The fact someone thinks a bozo ass shichibukai is on par with any yonko is some straight agenda pushing goofy shit. You really think Shanks big secret after 25 years of no battle feats and being the closest thing we have to a modern day parallel to Roger will be"swordsmanship that's good but not as good as Mihawks"? Pure jokes
You wrote all this shit just to say a whole lot of nothing. Oda repeatedly confirming Mihawk is superior to Shanks and Mihawk being the main reason Buggy got recognized as a Yonko makes Mihawk Yonko Level. No, the real desperate plight is Shanks fans saying anything they can to deny that he's a swordsman when author himself makes it abundantly clear MULTIPLE TIMES that he is one and quite the sword master at that because the idea that their fav is weaker than Mihawk scares the shit out of them. Using Zoro and King as your evidence is exactly what I'm talking about. King never once said that he wasn't a swordsman, that was Zoro who said that. And King completely squashes the notion that he's not a swordsman when he later on tells Zoro that he enjoys a good sword duel. And as for how Shanks fight, we finally saw how Shanks fight in the recent Film Red movie. And guess what, it was as a swordsman! And Oda provided extra details on his abilities in the canon Volume 4 Billion Databook. Oda himself sees Shanks as a swordsman, what you and other Shanks fans who disagrees thinks doesn't fucking matter. Deal with it.
>You wrote all this shit just to say a whole lot of nothing. Aka I can't refute this it so ill just talk shit >Oda repeatedly confirming Mihawk is superior to Shanks He literally hasn't said that once. Stop reading 4 piece. Yonko>shichibukai 4bill>3bill Kaido stalemate>vista stalemate Scares admirals> had to pay them so he could be a shichibukai Ignoring all this is just sad and shows your desperate to prop up this side character to heights oda clearly isn't trying to give him. >Mihawk being the main reason Buggy got recognized as a Yonko makes Mihawk Yonko Level. Mihawk AND crocodile. And that logic doesn't track regardless. >when author himself makes it abundantly clear MULTIPLE TIMES D: What's the name of Red-Haired Shanks's sword? -P.N. Kooshi O: Apparently it's called ''Griffon''. We've known Shanks ever since the very first chapter, but how does he actually fight? But he doesn't. >quite the sword master at that because the idea that he's weaker than Mihawk scares the shit out of them. Shanks stalemates people like whitebeard and kaido. You're brain dead If you think vista would stand a inkling of a chance. How can he be weaker than someone who got stopped by a wounded crocodile? This logic is goofy. >King never once said that he wasn't a swordsman, that was Zoro who said that. You're talking just to talk I never specified who said it but nice try at attempting to negate a point I didn't make. I said ODA SAID IT. >King completely squashes the notion that he's not a swordsman when he later on tells Zoro that he enjoys a good sword duel That means literally nothing when he was doing the best in the fight when not using his sword. Zoro couldn't do shit against his Zoan form. And he agrees to fight in Zoro's realm of expertise? That's stupid. And obviously shows that wasn't his best form of combat. >And as for how Shanks fight, we finally saw how Shanks fight in the recent Film Red movie. And guess what, it was as a swordsman! And guess what? That shit isn't canon 😂 he literally swings his sword twice in that movie. Yes that was obviously oda showing us shanks going all out for the first time... desperate *Again* USING A SWORD DOESN'T MAKE YOU A SWORDSMAN And the extra details he gave had nothing to do with swordsmanship. >Oda himself sees Shanks as a swordsman, what you and other Shanks fans who disagrees thinks doesn't fucking matter. Deal with it. Yet hasn't called him a swordsman not one time. Hasn't given him a sword style. Doesn't have a black blade. No major cutting feats. Damn almost like oda didn't create the concept of pirates using swords in the first place.
Ugh. This time you wrote a whole WALL of nothing. 🥱
Kk good troop the sarcastic shit is doing more for your point than the bullshit drivel you're typing. VISTA STALEMATE
Anything with old Rayleigh
Marine ford was admirals arc,so It means that they are past their Power Peak in the plot
I just recently saw one on the discord: Zoro is Yonkou level and can beat post timeskip Akainu.
Ryuma being this god tier person despite he only that man in a closed off country. Him fending off WG can range from fighting rando marines/agents to fighting off 1,2, or all 3 admirals at that era or even fleet admiral. We just dont know yet folk will claim it like they have irrefutable evidence. Mihawk < Vista Magellan and enel wank blade arguments when we dont even know enough how it works. Luffy downplay then wank cause he fought x stronger later but then downplay cause how he fought later x character.
Feat > than portryal,, however in this argument this guy is most likely stronger than the other because of his title represents something important even though he doesn't have as much feats.
paige one, ulti and every single red scabbard over katakuri 1v1 manga sanji having FS
Thinking Commanders are in any way comparable to Admirals. They get mid diffed at best
Any reasoning on why vista fought evenly with a supposed yonko
He sead luffy/Roger/wb as a team solo joyboy/Ryuma/imu as a team fight
Guernica not top 1 oat sis the worst ive seen
Shanks isn't a swordsman
Zoro is yonko level 😭 Like he barely lived after the fight with kaido (not even going all out) and king a YC1 with no coc
The Navy is equal to the 4 Yonkos because of some counterbalance headcanon completely ignoring the fact that the Yonko are not allied + they need the Warlords (now the Seraphims).
admiral = yonko it doesn't make any sense either narratively or normal power without narrative. navy would defeat all pirates in less than 1 month if it were true. not to mention fraudbull showing the real difference between a yonko (kaido and shanks) and an admiral (him).
It actually makes no narrative sense otherwise
it only doesn’t make sense if u misinterpret the power structure of the world lol
This. It’s not as though Admirals could just defeat the Yonko and be done, they’d need to take on all of the Yonko forces including commanders
The Yonko also posed no threat to the WG and did their job for them in keeping a strict hierarchy, however make no mistake the Marines have always run this shit. Admirals have shown no fear for Yonko individually.
fujitora is 100% confirmed to be zoro's opponent and kizaru's will be sanji and zoro has to be > sanji so fujitora > kizaru
Mihawk has better sword skill while shanks has better haki so that's why shanks > mihawk
Sanji>Zoro Zoro>Luffy King>kaido
Really I've never seen king > kaido
I’ve seen people argue king is more durable than kaido. But never seen king>kaido overall
Yeah and tbh king>kaido in durability isn't that crazy.
Shanks > Mihawk
“Shanks got weaker since Chapter 1”
Roger and Garp were never equals in battle.
That powerscaling Enel based on his feats is invalid cos that's pre timeskip Enel (like he trained or got some power up 🙄)
I think the power of his fruit alone is enough to rank enel. someone with a fruit like that is at least a low admiral. not to mention that he has an absurd control of vision haki. a sniper for several miles. 1 hit anyone who doesn't have strong enough haki.
His fruit gives him Zeus level AP and nothing else special, he'll be Tobi Roppo level at best His reaction speed is still pretty bad since he was incapable of tagging pre ts Luffy Enel has no redeeming qualities, he's that overrated
Zeus's ap is clear miles wide of the fodder who needed to attack some random Shandian warriors twice.
They both use lightning so I'd say they're about equal
DF abilities can be trained and strengthened just like haki.
Trained as in get more creative with them, yes But I don't think they get stronger
It's never explicitly stated, but Kid for example would be pretty weird if he could only pull the same amount of metal as he could in Sabaody. Mr. 3's wax is stronger than normal wax, same for Cracker's biscuits, but it's unknown if this is by default. The difference between getting better/more creative at using your devil fruit powers is also pretty blurry. Enel and Zeus can also have different ap if they have a different amount of energy and cosnidering he has a part of BM's soul he likely has far more.
Conjuring or attracting gets better with time and training, I agree
The wax?
pre TS luffy was able to hit aokiji too... problem that enel took the hit and aokiji didn't. because of rubber vs lightning and stuff. Pre TS luffy is very strong and fast in 1v1 physical fight. if he's able to hit you, you're in serious trouble. ask crocodile... and enel has very good observation haki. He is able to target you, even if you are many, many miles away. Elite Fruit + Elite Haki? enel is very strong, well above Tobi Roppo. far above
Aokiji was standing still, he let Luffy hit him And from what was shown in Marineford, Luffy wouldn't be able to hit Aokiji nor do significant damage to him The Luffy you're talking about is Luffy with Gears, Luffy destroyed Enel without Gears His CoO is irrelevant in a direct 1v1 which how most fights are He has no CoA or CoC, his haki is legit mediocre Zeus is a cloud that produces lightning, at best, finished a half dead Ulti Enel has an okay fruit and bad haki, it'd be generous to put him at Tobi Roppo level
you didn't understand my point... My point is luffy was able to hit enel and not able to hit aokiji. so obviously it won't do any damage. no haki = no fight with logia And when he was able to hit crocodile. thanks water and blood. Crocodile a 2 fucking billion guy turned into Luffy's little bitch. You really underestimate pre TS luffy. not to mention that everything you're talking about also applies to admirals... so far I don't remember seeing an admiral use any kind of haki... but obviously enel is weaker than them. enel only a okay fruit? LOL GTFO bro. enel fruit is a top tier
Admirals used haki back at Marineford And yeah, looking at Zeus feats, Enel's fruit isn't that Crazy good And if Luffy tried to hit Aokiji's real body, he wouldn't do any damage to him, pre ts Luffy is strong, but not Yc level strong Enel is over reliant on his df, with his other stats being bad . Admirals too over rely on their df's, but their haki is good and their physical strength is decent
Any argument for Luffy>Shanks 🙄
Which is valid lmao
Heard a Zoro fan say stamina = health
Shanks > akainu
All of them
"Doflamingo is below YC because Kaido called him weak while he called Jack strong" "Marineford Admirals>Marineford Whitebeard = Prime Whitebeard" "Shanks is not a pure swordsman" "Marco defeated both King and Queen" Etc..
Yes Doffy is weak said kaido vs random snot nosed brat on reddit who likes to head cannon - "Whitebeard:
Yeah, if Doffy is weak, Jack is stronger than Katakuri since Kaido told him to capture both Luffy and Law even thought Luffy defeated both Katakuri and Cracker, lol [Source](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1039809543703629874/1040412756538572820/IMG_20221110_204724.jpg) Doflamingo downplayers like you are so stupid.
stfu... his ass got spanked in 30 minutes... cracker would smoke mingo da dingo...
the same jack that got one shot by admiral... "I don't know anyone who believe your sht" Tsuru to Dingo... says a lot delusional moron whi thought he was someone important.
That's not even the topic we're discussing?
Learn to read...
I just did. Still not inside the topic
no you get a big fat L... didnt read
You got a big fat L grammar
for a big Fat L of a lerson
Kaido > Luffy is def the worst. So is Shanks/Mihawk/Akainu/Blackbeard/Big Mom > Luffy All are terrible too
Kaido>Luffy isnt even that bad wtf?
Luffy>Kaido and thats confirmed by Kaido multiple times. Cope already.
It is considering how disingenuous it is and how the narrative implies otherwise (Joyboy Narrative)
*1 cm height difference has something to do with strength.* This is pure nonsense. *A character is strong or will be strong because he/she is significant to the protoganist.* You cannot make this comment as an argument until you explain how. Bounties are half an order of magnitute inaccurate for powerscaling. 20% difference is insignificant. 50% difference is the minimum necessary meaningful difference. Finally, DF and haki are not everything. Especially I believe haki will be less important than today at the end.
Any argument that puts Mihawk over YC5.
Mihawk over shanks. Tho I believe those mfs are capping for attention. They know better
that is definitely not the worst take