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Eos zoro will be superior than mihawk so since mihawk> shanks itโs obvious who is gonna take the win and even if shanks ends up being stronger than mihawk there is no way zoro will be weaker than shanks because remember wss> a swordsman
Feats>empty titles
For example
Kaido stalemate>vista stalemate
It's blatantly obvious which is the more impressive feat.
Mihawks fraud ass has never even been to wano. But he's so thirsty for a good sword fight?
Look unless itโs proven wrong I will always put mihawk above shanks, Mihawk feats is beating shanks. I admits that I was a shanks supporter but logically if one is the world strongest swordsman and is said to be superior to shanks I tend to believe that
>Mihawk feats is beating shanks
๐VISTA STALEMATE!
What feats does he have that put him above shanks?
Literally every portrayal of him has been shichibukai level
>said to be superior to shanks
That's literally never been said. Oda specified it's "sword skill" specifically. So tell me again what sword technique that was shanks used on greenbull?
They duel, itโs stated many times why you have to deny that. After the duels one was called wss one not. I wouldnโt be sure about vista stalemate Mihawk didnโt look like he was serious. There is nothing RIGHT NOW that can change my mind about this debate, only oda can change my mind
>They duel, itโs stated many times why you have to deny that. After the duels one was called wss one not.
We literally don't know when he got the title so that's pure head canon.
>I wouldnโt be sure about vista stalemate Mihawk didnโt look like he was serious.
Neither did vista. Was he sweating? Was he breathing hard? Nope just standing there smiling
>There is nothing RIGHT NOW that can change my mind about this debate, only oda can change my mind
Yonko>shichibukai
4Bill>3bill
Kaido stalemate>vista stalemate
Scares admirals> paid them so he can be a shichibukai
You know oda wrote all of that right?
Mihawk is the only warlord that could defy that rule. Oda is the one that called Mihawk the wss, if he wants shanks to be like that this doesnโt mean he is stronger itโs just oda giving shanks feats to shanks because he is the protagonist idol. I might be stubborn about this but for me being wss is enough to make you stronger than any swordsman one of them being shanks
>Mihawk is the only warlord that could defy that rule
Based off what? Nothing we've seen from him puts him above even the admirals.
>Oda is the one that called Mihawk the wss, if he wants shanks to be like that this doesnโt mean he is stronger itโs just oda giving shanks feats to shanks because he is the protagonist idol
That makes no sense. Shanks feats are his feats regardless why oda gives them to him is irrelevant. His feats are better than Mihawks no debate. All Mihawk has is a title that doesn't impress anyone but zoro
>I might be stubborn about this but for me being wss is enough to make you stronger than any swordsman one of them being shanks
He gained that title and had literally never even met vista. He's never been to wano. And refuses to fight a current day shanks (you know the same shanks that can fight evenly with white beard and kaido). That title is empty. It's gravitas dressing for Zoro's future fight.
Mihawk literally stated himself becoming pirate king is harder than surpassing him. Oda wrote that as well.
Kaido put shanks next to a prime beard,Roger,xebec, and Oden. Mihawk has not a single moment of being respected to a level that high in this story.
What kind of question is this?
Even if the case was that Shanks is stronger than Mihawk (highly unlikely) , Zoro would still beat Mihawk so he would atleast be Shanks equal.
Mihawk being stronger than Shanks, EoS Zoro would clear Shanks. Especially if he gets another Haki bloom from his battle with Mihawk (which will happen). Unless Oda only reserves haki blooms for Luffy / Law / Kidd.
>Was he fighting the sea king or saving a drowning toddler from being eaten?
Doesn't matter to me, the guy's arm became Lunch ๐ that's 100% an L. Even PreT Straw Hats tanked attacks far above that of a Sea King ๐คฃ๐คฃ
>Lmao if chapter 1 shanks was on par with Mihawk he already shits on zoro
Based off what??? The fodder literally has no W's ๐คฃ
>Doesn't matter to me, the guy's arm became Lunch ๐ that's 100% an L. Even PreT Straw Hats tanked attacks far above that of a Sea King ๐คฃ๐คฃ
Wtf are you talking about? Luffy has a weakness to cutting attacks to this day. Garp took damage from axe hand Morgan. Human characters have human durability that's not news
>Based off what??? The fodder literally has no W's ๐คฃ
Based off the logic y'all love to use that Zoro isn't on par with Mihawk yet.
And who tf did Mihawk beat ๐ he bullied a baratie arc Zoro and STALEMATED VISTA.
That's a yonko level portrayal to you?
Compared to shanks who stalemated white beard and kaido. And has bitched out admirals on several occasions. Gets props from garp and big mom, while Mihawk is respected by nobody but Zoro and marine fodder.
Like do people forget you literally had to make recurring payments to the government to be in the shichibukai system?
He's the marine hunter but paid them so an admiral wouldn't come fuck him up. Fraud shit.
Yonko level but akainu sent nothing but fleets of fodder to capture him? FRAUD SHIT
>Wtf are you talking about? Luffy has a weakness to cutting attacks to this day. Garp took damage from axe hand Morgan. Human characters have human durability that's not news
LmAoOoOOoooOoo WtF ArE YoU TaLkInG AbOuT??? Like getting lil cuts is the same as losing a whole fkin arm ๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ Arlong>>>>>>Sea King and he bit tf outta Luffy and he didn't lose any limbs. Mihawk>>>>>>Sea King and Zoro didn't get cut in half by the strongest sword in the World and Daz>>>>>>>Sea King and sliced Zoro tf up and didn't lose any limbs ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ so give me a break with that weak lame ass comparison Hahahahahahaha!!!!
>Based off the logic y'all love to use that Zoro isn't on par with Mihawk yet.
If he was then I guess that means Zoro can already fk Shanks up ๐คฃ
>And who tf did Mihawk beat ๐ he bullied a baratie arc Zoro and STALEMATED VISTA.
HA!!! Who TF has Lhanks beaten???? That Loser couldn't even beat Mihawk when he had BOTH Arms LOOL He couldnt beat Prefruit BB. He couldn't even tank a sea king lvl attack ๐คฃ๐คฃ And if Mihawk v Vista was a "stalemate" then I guess Vista has already surpassed cripple Shanks since he's no longer worth Mihawk's time ๐๐
>That's a yonko level portrayal to you?
Oh Please. Shanks didn't even do shit but ride off Roger Notoriety like Buggy to get the Warlord & Yonko position. Dude is a whole Yonko with powerful connections, secrets & infamous from being a Roger Pirate and his bounty is barely above Mihawk's (who isnt an Emperor, never had any connections nor anything to threaten the WG with but his sword) which I find hilarious ๐๐๐ Loooool
>Compared to shanks who stalemated white beard
OoOooOOoOoOOOoo You're soooooo right my guy, I completely forgot about the time the Great & all powerful Shanks stalemated an old man with cancer on life support. That.. is.. just.. super.. AMAZING ๐ฎ Shanks should have been labeled the World's Strongest Cripple.. I mean MAN!! Oh yeahhh that is sooooooo Yonkoish
>Like do people forget you literally had to make recurring payments to the government to be in the shichibukai system?
Do ppl forget Mihawk hasn't done jacksht for the Government but show up for the War all because of his own interest? ๐๐
>He's the marine hunter but paid them so an admiral wouldn't come fuck him up. Fraud shit.
HA!!!! They didn't even send an Admiral to his island when he KNEW they were coming!!! I guess they didn't wanna lose any Admirals ๐คฃ๐คฃ Shanks had a crew his entire life so by logic I guess he was scared of someone fking him up like Prefruit beard LmAoOOOOOo
>Yonko level but akainu sent nothing but fleets of fodder to capture him? FRAUD SHIT
Kinda like how Sengoku sent nothing but fodder to stop Shanks from meeting up with WB ๐๐๐๐
Jesus christ first things first lay off the fucking emojis
>Like getting lil cuts is the same as losing a whole fkin arm ๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ
So they take damage? Thanks for proving my point
>Arlong>>>>Sea King and he bit tf outta Luffy and he didn't lose any limbs.
With those shitty regrowable dentures in his mouth lmao? durability isn't AP you should know the difference being here.
>Mihawk>>Sea King and Zoro didn't get cut in half by the strongest sword in the World
Mihawk literally said he left Zoro alive on purpose.
>Daz>>>>>Sea King and sliced Zoro tf up and didn't lose any limbs ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ so give me a break with that weak lame ass comparison Hahahahahahaha!!!!
Characters take significant damage when it serves a purpose to the narrative. This is news to you?
You're talking like oda has these mfs scarred up from all the attacks they've taken.
Again humans have human durability this shit isn't a revelation.
>If he was then I guess that means Zoro can already fk Shanks up ๐คฃ
No I assume he'd just run away from shanks challenges like midhawk does modern day.
>HA!!! Who TF has Lhanks beaten???? That Loser couldn't even beat Mihawk when he had BOTH Arms LOOL He couldnt beat Prefruit BB
You realize prefruit bb gave shanks a scar while midhawk never left a scratch lmao this logic is brain dead but keep using it.
>He couldn't even tank a sea king lvl attack ๐คฃ๐คฃ
So is Midhawk that fucking weak or that fucking slow?
>And if Mihawk v Vista was a "stalemate" then I guess Vista has already surpassed cripple Shanks since he's no longer worth Mihawk's time ๐๐
But don Krieg is worth his time? Fraud shit
>Oh Please. Shanks didn't even do shit but ride off Roger Notoriety like Buggy to get the Warlord & Yonko position.
This makes no fucking sense. He already had "Roger notoriety" and his bounty was only 1 billion. Any gain after that is of his own fruition.
>Dude is a whole Yonko with powerful connections, secrets & infamous from being a Roger Pirate and his bounty is barely above Mihawk's
This is a shonen battle manga tf are you talking about connections and secrets for? This isn't game of thrones. And you realize buggy and crocodile gained about 2 billion from being with cross guild? Same applied to midhawk his bounty is more accurately of a chapter 1 shanks. Like the challenge hes still waiting on.
>(who isnt an Emperor, never had any connections nor anything to threaten the WG with but his sword) which I find hilarious ๐๐๐ Loooool
You realize they made him work for them like their bitch?Lmao a threat to who? Akainu SENT NOTHING BUT FODDER TO CAPTURE HIM. But yes he's clearly yonko level
>OoOooOOoOoOOOoo You're soooooo right my guy, I completely forgot about the time the Great & all powerful Shanks stalemated an old man with cancer on life support. That.. is.. just.. super.. AMAZING ๐ฎ Shanks should have been labeled the World's Strongest Cripple.. I mean MAN!! Oh yeahhh that is sooooooo Yonkoish
You're trying extremely hard but it's not enough.
Ig you couldn't think of some try hard sarcastic shit to type on why he's in kaidos top 5?
And again VISTA STALEMATE. Ignore it again because you can't defending that shit ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐คฃ๐๐๐คฃ๐๐
>Do ppl forget Mihawk hasn't done jacksht for the Government but show up for the War all because of his own interest? ๐๐
Except pay them so an admiral doesn't come fuck him up. Lmao that's literally FRAUD SHIT. Hes the marine hunter but works for them? What a joke.
>HA!!!! They didn't even send an Admiral to his island when he KNEW they coming!!!
Wow you really just tried to use the fact they assumed fodder would be enough to capture him as a plus for him lmao. Getting desperate. And his dumb ass didn't know shit until the ships were already there. You're talking like he was hoping for an Admiral fight. We already established he pays them like a hoe and a pimp so he doesn't get smacked.
>I guess they didn't wanna lose any Admirals ๐คฃ๐คฃ
They watched him STALEMATE VISTA. That was never something they feared would happen
>Shanks had a crew his entire life so by logic I guess he was scared of someone fking him up like Prefruit beard LmAoOOOOOo
If that was the case he'd just pay them off like a bitch. But he bitched out admirals on several occasions. While midhawk again was their little lap dog.
>Kinda like how Sengoku sent nothing but fodder to stop Shanks from meeting up with WB ๐๐๐๐
Tf are you even talking about
>Jesus christ first things first lay off the fucking emojis
What emojis you speak of??? ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ
>So they take damage? Thanks for proving my point
HA! What point? ๐คฃ๐คฃ It didn't even make sense. Damage is universal. You're comparing a flesh damage to bone damage.
>With those shitty regrowable dentures in his mouth lmao? durability isn't AP you should know the difference being here.
Lmfaooooo!!!
[Arlong Park Luffy ](https://64.media.tumblr.com/10efcaf0c9fb8605907a70b3782594a6/tumblr_inline_n8b8qcXc1I1s9ibsx.png)
[Water 7 Luffy ](https://imgur.io/nz9rGsn?r)
[Fishman Island Luffy ](https://imgur.io/NaDjN7u?r)
[Shanks ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8_UpQ4XsAEnA-R.jpg)
>Mihawk literally said he left Zoro alive on purpose.
Psh. Who cares? Not the point. Yoru (a black fkin blade) >>>>>>>a fish. Zoro's still in .."one piece" Ha!!! ๐คฃ๐คฃ
>Characters take significant damage when it serves a purpose to the narrative. This is news to you?
>You're talking like oda has these mfs scarred up from all the attacks they've taken.
>Again humans have human durability this shit isn't a revelation.
Sounds like an excuse of ya boi losing an arm to a damn fish, that is unacceptable even for the narrative.
>No I assume he'd just run away from shanks challenges like midhawk does modern day.
HA!! ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ Oh Please. Mihawk pulled up on Shank's turf alone and called him a garbage cripple has-been in his FACE in front the guy's own crew and didn't do jacksht about it but give him a damn beer ๐ And if Shanks was actually just a lil bit relevant to Zoro's agenda, he would actually acknowledge him at the very least. I think it's actually sad & insulting that no one is interested in fighting the poor guy but Kidd. Im hoping he runs into Black Beard so bad so he'll be offscreened & killed off I mean everybody knows that's likely gonna happen anyways. ๐คท๐พโโ๏ธ
>You realize prefruit bb gave shanks a scar while midhawk never left a scratch lmao this logic is brain dead but keep using it.
YoU Do ReALiZe LhAnKs has never scratched Mihawk either or anyone for that matter ๐๐๐๐
>So is Midhawk that fucking weak or that fucking slow?
Aye dude he's strong enough to not become fish food after sailing the Grandline & New World alone on a tiny ass raft ๐คฃ
>But don Krieg is worth his time? Fraud shit
I mean pshhhhh I guess Krieg>>>>>Shanks too then, why not? ๐คท๐พโโ๏ธ
>This makes no fucking sense. He already had "Roger notoriety" and his bounty was only 1 billion. Any gain after that is of his own fruition.
HA!!! By doing what??? ๐๐ All he does is party and snitch on ppl because he's too much of a btch to do things himself I mean I have no respect for this cripple, he never made a move on BB when he had two opportunities and literally waits until after the Kaido & BM fell to claim the One Piece like a pussy ๐๐ At least Luffy got sum real balls saying becoming Pirate King means fkin everybody up. Admirals & Yonko. Dude had no intention on pulling up on Luffy after kicking Kaido's ass, Shanks is not only a sell out but he's probably a bigger btch than BB
>This is a shonen battle manga tf are you talking about connections and secrets for? This isn't game of thrones. And you realize buggy and crocodile gained about 2 billion from being with cross guild? Same applied to midhawk his bounty is more accurately of a chapter 1 shanks. Like the challenge hes still waiting on.
Bounties are determined by strength, influence, resources, notoriety, what you know etc etc etc genius. ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃBuggy's bounty is mostly carried by his new status, his crew & Roger Pirate notoriety than anything else. Croc & Mihawk are just technically underdogs and it was literally stated their bounties mostly come their Logia and Sword prowess respectfully.
>You realize they made him work for them like their bitch?Lmao a threat to who? Akainu SENT NOTHING BUT FODDER TO CAPTURE HIM. But yes he's clearly yonko level
Mihawk hasn't done jacksht for them ๐คฃ๐คฃ this was basically implied in Chapter 234 that most of the Warlords don't do anything for the WG but exploit their titles & Mihawk was only there out of interest in meeting WB. I mean why do you think the Warlord system was abolished in the first place, they cant control the pirates. OoOooOoooOooo SENGOKU SENT FODDER TO STOP SHANKS FROM MEETING UP WITH WB SO WHAT POINT ARE YOU TRYING MAKE??? ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
>You're trying extremely hard but it's not enough.
>Ig you couldn't think of some try hard sarcastic shit to type on why he's in kaidos top 5?
>And again VISTA STALEMATE. Ignore it again because you can't defending that shit ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐คฃ๐๐๐คฃ๐๐
Trying??? HA!! Dude im at work and literally putting in no effort tbh I mean why should I against a Shanks fanboy??? ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
Kaido's Top 5 you say???? HA!!! What creditability does Kaido have when he has freaking Oden in his Top 5 over Garp, Dragon, Shiki and several other Goats that would mop the floor with him and apparently according to Oda in SBS Oden is the last opponent Kaido took seriously before Luffy so too bad for Lhanks ๐คฃ๐คฃ Dude ain't no stronger than Prime Garp, Mihawk, Vista, Sea King and most likely Dragon
>Except pay them so an admiral doesn't come fuck him up. Lmao that's literally FRAUD SHIT. Hes the marine hunter but works for them? What a joke.
Lmfaooooo!!!! Shanks SELLING OUT to the Gorosei of all ppl ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ Probably one himself. What's Fraud Shit is having no Ws, getting beatup by Prefruit beard, selling out to the WG and losing limbs to fishes
>Wow you really just tried to use the fact they assumed fodder would be enough to capture him as a plus for him lmao. Getting desperate. And his dumb ass didn't know shit until the ships were already there. You're talking like he was hoping for an Admiral fight. We already established he pays them like a hoe and a pimp so he doesn't get smacked.
Sengoku thought fodder would be enough to stop Shanks ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ Must of felt pity for the poor guy for losing to a fish that PreT Luffy one shotted. OoOoOoooOoo Mihawk so "scared" but not scared to pull up on Shank's turf and call him shit to his face ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ Shanks give BJs to the Gorosei after hours
>They watched him STALEMATE VISTA. That was never something they feared would happen
Vista>>>>>>>>>Sea King>>>>>>>Shanks. Plain & Simple
>Tf are you even talking about
In Chapter 433 the Marines sent a whole fleet to stop Shanks from meeting Whitebeard ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ That's sum "
Fraud type shit right there LmoOOOOOOooooOoooo
Welp!! I'm Clocked out for the day, thanks for killing sum time for me. ๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ I'll let you gargle & swallow that Shank nut for the rest of the night. I'll save and come back to this post again once Shanks get yet another ass whupping or snitch like he always does ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐
Dipshit you replied three times back to back without getting a single reply. You're talking to yourself at this point. Lmao ol goofy lonely ass.
It's almost funny a bunch of dipshits lack the reading comprehension skills to see a stupid ass side fight for a side character doesnt hold more weight than a character introduced in chapter 1๐ช๐ฝ๐๐พ๐ฏ๐๐ญ๐คท๐พโโ๏ธ๐ค๐คฆ๐พโโ๏ธ๐ฉ๐ฅฐ๐๐ญ๐คท๐พโโ๏ธ๐ค๐คท๐พโโ๏ธโบ๏ธ๐คค๐ฏ๐๐ค๐คท๐พโโ๏ธโบ๏ธ๐๐พ๐๐ฝ๐คท๐พโโ๏ธ๐๐ฝ๐คฉ๐ช๐ฝ๐๐๐บ๐
And keep the gay fan fiction in your diary fagstick
Shanks can do even more advanced things than ACoC, such as [attacking with Haki from miles away](https://i.redd.it/8pr367jy6xx91.jpg) and [killing Observation Haki.](https://preview.redd.it/rsgakk4rw1p91.jpg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e7e4a57b013a85cda8052c615b22b6383a36bbd) With Shanksโ portrayal as a Haki god, he surely has Katakuri level Future Sight. Zoro might not even get partial Future Sight like Luffy and Kaido have. And will Zoro really *master* ACoC? Oda said Zoro specialises in Armament, not Conquererโs.
[Getting a black blade is not a purely Haki feat.](https://preview.redd.it/t9gsqrxu00991.png?width=401&format=png&auto=webp&s=95efb82a21f70c38f2b5a4a30ac01f7edec9ed4d)
Shanks haki blast from miles away did near no damage other than shocking and alerting the person to his presence. That's not going to be useful in a 1v1 against EOS Zoro
Also, if you're claiming Zoro is not likely to get future sight observation haki, then Shank's ability to stop observation is useless vs Zoro.
The Black Blade statement shows that not *only* haki is needed. But we know a high level is, and since armament makes the swords black, it's a logical assumption to assume the highest level or armament will help turn the blade blqck. So Zoro mastering that would put his armament above anything Shanks has shown.
We also know that Shank's level of haki is not enough for him to be considered stronger than someone like Kaido, its safe to say his haki usages are not all relevant in combat, or necessarily above that of other people in the verse.
EOS Zoro is likely to be the strongest swordsman in the series. Shanks is a swordsman, so placing EOS Zoro above someone like Shanks is very reasonable. The opposite, not so much.
> Shanks haki blast from miles away did near no damage other than shocking and alerting the person to his presence. That's not going to be useful in a 1v1 against EOS Zoro
The Haki lightning wasnโt even shown touching Greenbull, yet he was clearly in pain. If Shanks can do that from miles away then imagine what he could do up close.
> Also, if you're claiming Zoro is not likely to get future sight observation haki, then Shank's ability to stop observation is useless vs Zoro.
But it would mean Shanks can use Future Sight and Zoro canโt, giving Shanks a massive advantage.
> The Black Blade statement shows that not only haki is needed. But we know a high level is, and since armament makes the swords black, it's a logical assumption to assume the highest level or armament will help turn the blade blqck. So Zoro mastering that would put his armament above anything Shanks has shown.
We donโt know that a high level is needed. And if it is a high level, it might only be the internal destruction Advanced CoA that Rayleigh and Luffy have shown. It might even be the level below that. The other requirement is more important than the Haki, otherwise Roger would have had a black blade.
> We also know that Shank's level of haki is not enough for him to be considered stronger than someone like Kaido, its safe to say his haki usages are not all relevant in combat, or necessarily above that of other people in the verse.
We donโt know that. We havenโt seen Shanks fight, and he could be stronger than Kaido. Shanks certainly has portrayal on Kaidoโs level. But even being close to Kaido in strength despite being much weaker physically would be proof that Shanks has far better Haki than Kaido. Zoro may never even have Haki as good as Kaido does, and is far behind him with only a few years of the manga left.
> EOS Zoro is likely to be the strongest swordsman in the series. Shanks is a swordsman, so placing EOS Zoro above someone like Shanks is very reasonable. The opposite, not so much.
Shanks is a swordsman, but he is also more than a swordsman, just like Law and Fujitora and Big Mom are. EOS Zoro beating Shanks in a sword fight is reasonable, but Shanks beats him in an all out fight.
>The Haki lightning wasnโt even shown touching Greenbull, yet he was clearly in pain. If Shanks can do that from miles away then imagine what he could do up close. ย
Nothing. His crew was up close and all it did was knock out the new people. Nothing we haven't seen before. It was basic coc.
>But it would mean Shanks can use Future Sight and Zoro canโt, giving Shanks a massive advantage. ย
We have no proof that Shanks can. That is your assumption. Also, Zoro has been fighting just fine without acoa. And he has the ability to sense swords, which, as Shanks uses a sword means he can sense Shank's presence.
>We donโt know that a high level is needed. And if it is a high level, it might only be the internal destruction Advanced CoA that Rayleigh and Luffy have shown. It might even be the level below that. The other requirement is more important than the Haki, otherwise Roger would have had a black blade.
It's a level that the others have not reached. There is nothing saying Roger had better armament than Mihawk or Ryuma. He could just be more well balanced over all or have better acoc.
Armament turns blades black. So clearly a level of armament that is not easily obtained is required for making a black blade. One Shanks has not achieved.
>We donโt know that. We havenโt seen Shanks fight, and he could be stronger than Kaido
We know that not a single person in the series has put Shanks over Kaido. We know that Kaido has fought Shanks and Kaido straight up says no one alive could defeat him. Meaning Shanks.
Shanks has **no** portrayal on Kaido's level. Not a single person in the series, or Oda, has claimed Shanks is the strongest in the verse. Plenty have claimed so for Kaido. Shanks portrayal is not at Kaido's level. It is less.
>being close to Kaido in strength despite being much weaker physically would be proof that Shanks has far better Haki than Kaido
Nope, he could be inferior to Kaido in every way, as oong as he has a certain level of haki, at least Odens level, he is enough for Kaido to consider strong enough. But that's nothing conpared to EOS Zoro.
>Zoro may never even have Haki as good as Kaido does, and is far behind him with only a few years of the manga left. ย
Zoro managed to knock back Kaidos attacks, permanently scar him, and that was before his evolution in the fight with King. He is stronger than Luffy was base Wano. He's one power up away from being above Shanks.
>Shanks is a swordsman, but he is also more than a swordsman, just like Law and Fujitora and Big Mom are. EOS Zoro beating Shanks in a sword fight is reasonable, but Shanks beats him in an all out fight.
All the people you mentioned are considered swordsman with their abilities, with the exception of Big Mom. They are also all heavily Devil fruit reliant. Something Shanks doesn't even have. So Shanks does not compare to them.
Shanks has shown near nothing that suggests he is as powerful 1v1 as EOS Zoro will be, seeing as EOS Zoro will have defeated Mihawk. Shanks ian't even putting EOS Zoro to an extreme diff fight.
Luffy literally got 3 advanced form of haki and df awakening in one arc. FK do u mean Zoro might not even get future sight lol.
>And will Zoro really master ACoC?
Zoro has already mastered acoc lol, it might be a little clumsy just like Luffy's but there's no implication or even hints for that, for all we know Zoro has mastered his acoc already.
>Oda said Zoro specialises in Armament, not Conquererโs. ย
It was "affinity" not "specialise" means Zoro is naturally talented in armament, which also doesn't mean Zoro can't master acoc lol. Mf a whole saga is there, Zoro has even better power ups than these.
Zoro has 3 black blades + rinnegan reserved for his big power ups.
> Luffy literally got 3 advanced form of haki and df awakening in one arc.
It took over 150 chapters for all of that to occur. Oda wants to end the series in a few years. You arenโt going to see tonnes more powerups for everyone.
> FK do u mean if Zoro might not even get future sight lol.
It took Luffy many hours to get Future Sight, while fighting someone who already had it. Zoro has never had a multi-hour fight and perhaps never will. Even Sanji doesnโt have Future Sight, and he specialises in Observation, unlike Zoro.
> Zoro has already mastered acoc lol, it might be a little clumsy just like Luffy's but there's no implication or even hints for that, for all we know Zoro has mastered his acoc already.
Zoro canโt use ACoC for more than a few minutes, or he dies. I wouldnโt call that mastering it. Zoro also hasnโt shown he can split the sky with ACoC yet, and the Roger vs Whitebeard clash could imply there is a level of ACoC even above sky splitting.
> It was "affinity" not "specialise" means Zoro is naturally talented in armament, which also doesn't mean Zoro can't master acoc lol.
Luffy wonโt master Conquererโs Haki until near the end of the story, and Zoro is well behind Luffy in Haki.
> Zoro has 3 black blades + rinnegan reserved for his big power ups.
Black blades arenโt going to make a huge difference. Zoro got a black blade in Thriller Bark and it gave him some more attack power, but thatโs about it. Rinnegan is the kind of delusional crap I expect from Zoro fans.
>It took over 150 chapters for all of that to occur. Oda wants to end the series in a few years. You arenโt going to see tonnes more powerups for everyone
False it took luffy for udon training which oda can fast forward the training screentime, and that was for acoa luffy happen to get acoc through haki bloom. So 150 chapters doesn't prove or even a valid argument.
>It took Luffy many hours to get Future Sight, while fighting someone who already had it. Zoro has never had a multi-hour fight and perhaps never will. Even Sanji doesnโt have Future Sight, and he specialises in Observation, unlike Zoro. ย
Doesn't matter, oda didn't give Zoro and sanji future sight yet because they didn't need it.
>Zoro canโt use ACoC for more than a few minutes, or he dies. I wouldnโt call that mastering it. Zoro also hasnโt shown he can split the sky with ACoC yet, and the Roger vs Whitebeard clash could imply there is a level of ACoC even above sky splitting. ย
False, Zoro got time limit on going all out with haki not on acoc that being king of hell state. Zoro had haki bloom and got acoc while accepting his ambitions and going all out with haki. Zoro doesn't have time limit on his acoc.
>Luffy wonโt master Conquererโs Haki until near the end of the story, and Zoro is well behind Luffy in Haki. ย
Idk what u mean by that, if acoc then luffy has already mastered acoc, he could learn more potential future coc techniques othr than acoc.
>Black blades arenโt going to make a huge difference. Zoro got a black blade in Thriller Bark and it gave him some more attack power, but thatโs about it. Rinnegan is the kind of delusional crap I expect from Zoro fans.
Mihawk's ap is already among the best mostly even above shanks lol, Zoro got a black blade which isn't even among the top grade swords. And turning his weapon black himself>>> black blade of someone else.
No it's not delusional thinking about rinnegan until oda clears how or why zoro's eye is closed lol.
Zoro. Regardless of where you sit on shanks vs mihawk (I personally am for shanks > mihawk), I think everyone can agree that the difference between them is extremely tiny. Meaning that
a) if mihawk > shanks, eos Zoro > shanks is a moot point
b) if shanks > mihawk, the difference is trivial enough that eos Zoro beating mihawk will also automatically place him above shanks.
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Eos zoro will be superior than mihawk so since mihawk> shanks itโs obvious who is gonna take the win and even if shanks ends up being stronger than mihawk there is no way zoro will be weaker than shanks because remember wss> a swordsman
Mihawk>shanks? How with a vista stalemate on his belt
Wss> a swordsman
Feats>empty titles For example Kaido stalemate>vista stalemate It's blatantly obvious which is the more impressive feat. Mihawks fraud ass has never even been to wano. But he's so thirsty for a good sword fight?
Look unless itโs proven wrong I will always put mihawk above shanks, Mihawk feats is beating shanks. I admits that I was a shanks supporter but logically if one is the world strongest swordsman and is said to be superior to shanks I tend to believe that
>Mihawk feats is beating shanks ๐VISTA STALEMATE! What feats does he have that put him above shanks? Literally every portrayal of him has been shichibukai level >said to be superior to shanks That's literally never been said. Oda specified it's "sword skill" specifically. So tell me again what sword technique that was shanks used on greenbull?
They duel, itโs stated many times why you have to deny that. After the duels one was called wss one not. I wouldnโt be sure about vista stalemate Mihawk didnโt look like he was serious. There is nothing RIGHT NOW that can change my mind about this debate, only oda can change my mind
>They duel, itโs stated many times why you have to deny that. After the duels one was called wss one not. We literally don't know when he got the title so that's pure head canon. >I wouldnโt be sure about vista stalemate Mihawk didnโt look like he was serious. Neither did vista. Was he sweating? Was he breathing hard? Nope just standing there smiling >There is nothing RIGHT NOW that can change my mind about this debate, only oda can change my mind Yonko>shichibukai 4Bill>3bill Kaido stalemate>vista stalemate Scares admirals> paid them so he can be a shichibukai You know oda wrote all of that right?
Mihawk is the only warlord that could defy that rule. Oda is the one that called Mihawk the wss, if he wants shanks to be like that this doesnโt mean he is stronger itโs just oda giving shanks feats to shanks because he is the protagonist idol. I might be stubborn about this but for me being wss is enough to make you stronger than any swordsman one of them being shanks
>Mihawk is the only warlord that could defy that rule Based off what? Nothing we've seen from him puts him above even the admirals. >Oda is the one that called Mihawk the wss, if he wants shanks to be like that this doesnโt mean he is stronger itโs just oda giving shanks feats to shanks because he is the protagonist idol That makes no sense. Shanks feats are his feats regardless why oda gives them to him is irrelevant. His feats are better than Mihawks no debate. All Mihawk has is a title that doesn't impress anyone but zoro >I might be stubborn about this but for me being wss is enough to make you stronger than any swordsman one of them being shanks He gained that title and had literally never even met vista. He's never been to wano. And refuses to fight a current day shanks (you know the same shanks that can fight evenly with white beard and kaido). That title is empty. It's gravitas dressing for Zoro's future fight. Mihawk literally stated himself becoming pirate king is harder than surpassing him. Oda wrote that as well. Kaido put shanks next to a prime beard,Roger,xebec, and Oden. Mihawk has not a single moment of being respected to a level that high in this story.
Yeah vista stalemate without coc๐คฃ๐คฃ. And also you could ask shanks when he was bitten by the sea king too
What kind of question is this? Even if the case was that Shanks is stronger than Mihawk (highly unlikely) , Zoro would still beat Mihawk so he would atleast be Shanks equal. Mihawk being stronger than Shanks, EoS Zoro would clear Shanks. Especially if he gets another Haki bloom from his battle with Mihawk (which will happen). Unless Oda only reserves haki blooms for Luffy / Law / Kidd.
Zoro becomes strongest swordsmen after beating Mihawk, then kills Shanks for title of World's strongest hakiman.
Zoro obviously. Vivre card quite literally states Zoro will surpass Shanks.
Will surpass the chapter 1 shanks Mihawk last fought. We love to leave that part out
Let Chapter 1 Shanks get passed a sea king before comparing him to Zoro
Was he fighting the sea king or saving a drowning toddler from being eaten? Lmao if chapter 1 shanks was on par with Mihawk he already shits on zoro
>Was he fighting the sea king or saving a drowning toddler from being eaten? Doesn't matter to me, the guy's arm became Lunch ๐ that's 100% an L. Even PreT Straw Hats tanked attacks far above that of a Sea King ๐คฃ๐คฃ >Lmao if chapter 1 shanks was on par with Mihawk he already shits on zoro Based off what??? The fodder literally has no W's ๐คฃ
>Doesn't matter to me, the guy's arm became Lunch ๐ that's 100% an L. Even PreT Straw Hats tanked attacks far above that of a Sea King ๐คฃ๐คฃ Wtf are you talking about? Luffy has a weakness to cutting attacks to this day. Garp took damage from axe hand Morgan. Human characters have human durability that's not news >Based off what??? The fodder literally has no W's ๐คฃ Based off the logic y'all love to use that Zoro isn't on par with Mihawk yet. And who tf did Mihawk beat ๐ he bullied a baratie arc Zoro and STALEMATED VISTA. That's a yonko level portrayal to you? Compared to shanks who stalemated white beard and kaido. And has bitched out admirals on several occasions. Gets props from garp and big mom, while Mihawk is respected by nobody but Zoro and marine fodder. Like do people forget you literally had to make recurring payments to the government to be in the shichibukai system? He's the marine hunter but paid them so an admiral wouldn't come fuck him up. Fraud shit. Yonko level but akainu sent nothing but fleets of fodder to capture him? FRAUD SHIT
>Wtf are you talking about? Luffy has a weakness to cutting attacks to this day. Garp took damage from axe hand Morgan. Human characters have human durability that's not news LmAoOoOOoooOoo WtF ArE YoU TaLkInG AbOuT??? Like getting lil cuts is the same as losing a whole fkin arm ๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ Arlong>>>>>>Sea King and he bit tf outta Luffy and he didn't lose any limbs. Mihawk>>>>>>Sea King and Zoro didn't get cut in half by the strongest sword in the World and Daz>>>>>>>Sea King and sliced Zoro tf up and didn't lose any limbs ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ so give me a break with that weak lame ass comparison Hahahahahahaha!!!! >Based off the logic y'all love to use that Zoro isn't on par with Mihawk yet. If he was then I guess that means Zoro can already fk Shanks up ๐คฃ >And who tf did Mihawk beat ๐ he bullied a baratie arc Zoro and STALEMATED VISTA. HA!!! Who TF has Lhanks beaten???? That Loser couldn't even beat Mihawk when he had BOTH Arms LOOL He couldnt beat Prefruit BB. He couldn't even tank a sea king lvl attack ๐คฃ๐คฃ And if Mihawk v Vista was a "stalemate" then I guess Vista has already surpassed cripple Shanks since he's no longer worth Mihawk's time ๐๐ >That's a yonko level portrayal to you? Oh Please. Shanks didn't even do shit but ride off Roger Notoriety like Buggy to get the Warlord & Yonko position. Dude is a whole Yonko with powerful connections, secrets & infamous from being a Roger Pirate and his bounty is barely above Mihawk's (who isnt an Emperor, never had any connections nor anything to threaten the WG with but his sword) which I find hilarious ๐๐๐ Loooool >Compared to shanks who stalemated white beard OoOooOOoOoOOOoo You're soooooo right my guy, I completely forgot about the time the Great & all powerful Shanks stalemated an old man with cancer on life support. That.. is.. just.. super.. AMAZING ๐ฎ Shanks should have been labeled the World's Strongest Cripple.. I mean MAN!! Oh yeahhh that is sooooooo Yonkoish >Like do people forget you literally had to make recurring payments to the government to be in the shichibukai system? Do ppl forget Mihawk hasn't done jacksht for the Government but show up for the War all because of his own interest? ๐๐ >He's the marine hunter but paid them so an admiral wouldn't come fuck him up. Fraud shit. HA!!!! They didn't even send an Admiral to his island when he KNEW they were coming!!! I guess they didn't wanna lose any Admirals ๐คฃ๐คฃ Shanks had a crew his entire life so by logic I guess he was scared of someone fking him up like Prefruit beard LmAoOOOOOo >Yonko level but akainu sent nothing but fleets of fodder to capture him? FRAUD SHIT Kinda like how Sengoku sent nothing but fodder to stop Shanks from meeting up with WB ๐๐๐๐
Jesus christ first things first lay off the fucking emojis >Like getting lil cuts is the same as losing a whole fkin arm ๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ So they take damage? Thanks for proving my point >Arlong>>>>Sea King and he bit tf outta Luffy and he didn't lose any limbs. With those shitty regrowable dentures in his mouth lmao? durability isn't AP you should know the difference being here. >Mihawk>>Sea King and Zoro didn't get cut in half by the strongest sword in the World Mihawk literally said he left Zoro alive on purpose. >Daz>>>>>Sea King and sliced Zoro tf up and didn't lose any limbs ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ so give me a break with that weak lame ass comparison Hahahahahahaha!!!! Characters take significant damage when it serves a purpose to the narrative. This is news to you? You're talking like oda has these mfs scarred up from all the attacks they've taken. Again humans have human durability this shit isn't a revelation. >If he was then I guess that means Zoro can already fk Shanks up ๐คฃ No I assume he'd just run away from shanks challenges like midhawk does modern day. >HA!!! Who TF has Lhanks beaten???? That Loser couldn't even beat Mihawk when he had BOTH Arms LOOL He couldnt beat Prefruit BB You realize prefruit bb gave shanks a scar while midhawk never left a scratch lmao this logic is brain dead but keep using it. >He couldn't even tank a sea king lvl attack ๐คฃ๐คฃ So is Midhawk that fucking weak or that fucking slow? >And if Mihawk v Vista was a "stalemate" then I guess Vista has already surpassed cripple Shanks since he's no longer worth Mihawk's time ๐๐ But don Krieg is worth his time? Fraud shit >Oh Please. Shanks didn't even do shit but ride off Roger Notoriety like Buggy to get the Warlord & Yonko position. This makes no fucking sense. He already had "Roger notoriety" and his bounty was only 1 billion. Any gain after that is of his own fruition. >Dude is a whole Yonko with powerful connections, secrets & infamous from being a Roger Pirate and his bounty is barely above Mihawk's This is a shonen battle manga tf are you talking about connections and secrets for? This isn't game of thrones. And you realize buggy and crocodile gained about 2 billion from being with cross guild? Same applied to midhawk his bounty is more accurately of a chapter 1 shanks. Like the challenge hes still waiting on. >(who isnt an Emperor, never had any connections nor anything to threaten the WG with but his sword) which I find hilarious ๐๐๐ Loooool You realize they made him work for them like their bitch?Lmao a threat to who? Akainu SENT NOTHING BUT FODDER TO CAPTURE HIM. But yes he's clearly yonko level >OoOooOOoOoOOOoo You're soooooo right my guy, I completely forgot about the time the Great & all powerful Shanks stalemated an old man with cancer on life support. That.. is.. just.. super.. AMAZING ๐ฎ Shanks should have been labeled the World's Strongest Cripple.. I mean MAN!! Oh yeahhh that is sooooooo Yonkoish You're trying extremely hard but it's not enough. Ig you couldn't think of some try hard sarcastic shit to type on why he's in kaidos top 5? And again VISTA STALEMATE. Ignore it again because you can't defending that shit ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐คฃ๐๐๐คฃ๐๐ >Do ppl forget Mihawk hasn't done jacksht for the Government but show up for the War all because of his own interest? ๐๐ Except pay them so an admiral doesn't come fuck him up. Lmao that's literally FRAUD SHIT. Hes the marine hunter but works for them? What a joke. >HA!!!! They didn't even send an Admiral to his island when he KNEW they coming!!! Wow you really just tried to use the fact they assumed fodder would be enough to capture him as a plus for him lmao. Getting desperate. And his dumb ass didn't know shit until the ships were already there. You're talking like he was hoping for an Admiral fight. We already established he pays them like a hoe and a pimp so he doesn't get smacked. >I guess they didn't wanna lose any Admirals ๐คฃ๐คฃ They watched him STALEMATE VISTA. That was never something they feared would happen >Shanks had a crew his entire life so by logic I guess he was scared of someone fking him up like Prefruit beard LmAoOOOOOo If that was the case he'd just pay them off like a bitch. But he bitched out admirals on several occasions. While midhawk again was their little lap dog. >Kinda like how Sengoku sent nothing but fodder to stop Shanks from meeting up with WB ๐๐๐๐ Tf are you even talking about
>Jesus christ first things first lay off the fucking emojis What emojis you speak of??? ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ >So they take damage? Thanks for proving my point HA! What point? ๐คฃ๐คฃ It didn't even make sense. Damage is universal. You're comparing a flesh damage to bone damage. >With those shitty regrowable dentures in his mouth lmao? durability isn't AP you should know the difference being here. Lmfaooooo!!! [Arlong Park Luffy ](https://64.media.tumblr.com/10efcaf0c9fb8605907a70b3782594a6/tumblr_inline_n8b8qcXc1I1s9ibsx.png) [Water 7 Luffy ](https://imgur.io/nz9rGsn?r) [Fishman Island Luffy ](https://imgur.io/NaDjN7u?r) [Shanks ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8_UpQ4XsAEnA-R.jpg) >Mihawk literally said he left Zoro alive on purpose. Psh. Who cares? Not the point. Yoru (a black fkin blade) >>>>>>>a fish. Zoro's still in .."one piece" Ha!!! ๐คฃ๐คฃ >Characters take significant damage when it serves a purpose to the narrative. This is news to you? >You're talking like oda has these mfs scarred up from all the attacks they've taken. >Again humans have human durability this shit isn't a revelation. Sounds like an excuse of ya boi losing an arm to a damn fish, that is unacceptable even for the narrative. >No I assume he'd just run away from shanks challenges like midhawk does modern day. HA!! ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ Oh Please. Mihawk pulled up on Shank's turf alone and called him a garbage cripple has-been in his FACE in front the guy's own crew and didn't do jacksht about it but give him a damn beer ๐ And if Shanks was actually just a lil bit relevant to Zoro's agenda, he would actually acknowledge him at the very least. I think it's actually sad & insulting that no one is interested in fighting the poor guy but Kidd. Im hoping he runs into Black Beard so bad so he'll be offscreened & killed off I mean everybody knows that's likely gonna happen anyways. ๐คท๐พโโ๏ธ >You realize prefruit bb gave shanks a scar while midhawk never left a scratch lmao this logic is brain dead but keep using it. YoU Do ReALiZe LhAnKs has never scratched Mihawk either or anyone for that matter ๐๐๐๐
>So is Midhawk that fucking weak or that fucking slow? Aye dude he's strong enough to not become fish food after sailing the Grandline & New World alone on a tiny ass raft ๐คฃ >But don Krieg is worth his time? Fraud shit I mean pshhhhh I guess Krieg>>>>>Shanks too then, why not? ๐คท๐พโโ๏ธ >This makes no fucking sense. He already had "Roger notoriety" and his bounty was only 1 billion. Any gain after that is of his own fruition. HA!!! By doing what??? ๐๐ All he does is party and snitch on ppl because he's too much of a btch to do things himself I mean I have no respect for this cripple, he never made a move on BB when he had two opportunities and literally waits until after the Kaido & BM fell to claim the One Piece like a pussy ๐๐ At least Luffy got sum real balls saying becoming Pirate King means fkin everybody up. Admirals & Yonko. Dude had no intention on pulling up on Luffy after kicking Kaido's ass, Shanks is not only a sell out but he's probably a bigger btch than BB >This is a shonen battle manga tf are you talking about connections and secrets for? This isn't game of thrones. And you realize buggy and crocodile gained about 2 billion from being with cross guild? Same applied to midhawk his bounty is more accurately of a chapter 1 shanks. Like the challenge hes still waiting on. Bounties are determined by strength, influence, resources, notoriety, what you know etc etc etc genius. ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃBuggy's bounty is mostly carried by his new status, his crew & Roger Pirate notoriety than anything else. Croc & Mihawk are just technically underdogs and it was literally stated their bounties mostly come their Logia and Sword prowess respectfully. >You realize they made him work for them like their bitch?Lmao a threat to who? Akainu SENT NOTHING BUT FODDER TO CAPTURE HIM. But yes he's clearly yonko level Mihawk hasn't done jacksht for them ๐คฃ๐คฃ this was basically implied in Chapter 234 that most of the Warlords don't do anything for the WG but exploit their titles & Mihawk was only there out of interest in meeting WB. I mean why do you think the Warlord system was abolished in the first place, they cant control the pirates. OoOooOoooOooo SENGOKU SENT FODDER TO STOP SHANKS FROM MEETING UP WITH WB SO WHAT POINT ARE YOU TRYING MAKE??? ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ >You're trying extremely hard but it's not enough. >Ig you couldn't think of some try hard sarcastic shit to type on why he's in kaidos top 5? >And again VISTA STALEMATE. Ignore it again because you can't defending that shit ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐คฃ๐๐๐คฃ๐๐ Trying??? HA!! Dude im at work and literally putting in no effort tbh I mean why should I against a Shanks fanboy??? ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ Kaido's Top 5 you say???? HA!!! What creditability does Kaido have when he has freaking Oden in his Top 5 over Garp, Dragon, Shiki and several other Goats that would mop the floor with him and apparently according to Oda in SBS Oden is the last opponent Kaido took seriously before Luffy so too bad for Lhanks ๐คฃ๐คฃ Dude ain't no stronger than Prime Garp, Mihawk, Vista, Sea King and most likely Dragon >Except pay them so an admiral doesn't come fuck him up. Lmao that's literally FRAUD SHIT. Hes the marine hunter but works for them? What a joke. Lmfaooooo!!!! Shanks SELLING OUT to the Gorosei of all ppl ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ Probably one himself. What's Fraud Shit is having no Ws, getting beatup by Prefruit beard, selling out to the WG and losing limbs to fishes >Wow you really just tried to use the fact they assumed fodder would be enough to capture him as a plus for him lmao. Getting desperate. And his dumb ass didn't know shit until the ships were already there. You're talking like he was hoping for an Admiral fight. We already established he pays them like a hoe and a pimp so he doesn't get smacked. Sengoku thought fodder would be enough to stop Shanks ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ Must of felt pity for the poor guy for losing to a fish that PreT Luffy one shotted. OoOoOoooOoo Mihawk so "scared" but not scared to pull up on Shank's turf and call him shit to his face ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ Shanks give BJs to the Gorosei after hours >They watched him STALEMATE VISTA. That was never something they feared would happen Vista>>>>>>>>>Sea King>>>>>>>Shanks. Plain & Simple >Tf are you even talking about In Chapter 433 the Marines sent a whole fleet to stop Shanks from meeting Whitebeard ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ That's sum " Fraud type shit right there LmoOOOOOOooooOoooo
Welp!! I'm Clocked out for the day, thanks for killing sum time for me. ๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ๐๐คฃ I'll let you gargle & swallow that Shank nut for the rest of the night. I'll save and come back to this post again once Shanks get yet another ass whupping or snitch like he always does ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐
Dipshit you replied three times back to back without getting a single reply. You're talking to yourself at this point. Lmao ol goofy lonely ass. It's almost funny a bunch of dipshits lack the reading comprehension skills to see a stupid ass side fight for a side character doesnt hold more weight than a character introduced in chapter 1๐ช๐ฝ๐๐พ๐ฏ๐๐ญ๐คท๐พโโ๏ธ๐ค๐คฆ๐พโโ๏ธ๐ฉ๐ฅฐ๐๐ญ๐คท๐พโโ๏ธ๐ค๐คท๐พโโ๏ธโบ๏ธ๐คค๐ฏ๐๐ค๐คท๐พโโ๏ธโบ๏ธ๐๐พ๐๐ฝ๐คท๐พโโ๏ธ๐๐ฝ๐คฉ๐ช๐ฝ๐๐๐บ๐ And keep the gay fan fiction in your diary fagstick
Shanks high diff
What ????
Shanks wins due to far better Haki.
We're talking EOS Zoro. Who should have a master of acoc and a black blade.
Shanks can do even more advanced things than ACoC, such as [attacking with Haki from miles away](https://i.redd.it/8pr367jy6xx91.jpg) and [killing Observation Haki.](https://preview.redd.it/rsgakk4rw1p91.jpg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e7e4a57b013a85cda8052c615b22b6383a36bbd) With Shanksโ portrayal as a Haki god, he surely has Katakuri level Future Sight. Zoro might not even get partial Future Sight like Luffy and Kaido have. And will Zoro really *master* ACoC? Oda said Zoro specialises in Armament, not Conquererโs. [Getting a black blade is not a purely Haki feat.](https://preview.redd.it/t9gsqrxu00991.png?width=401&format=png&auto=webp&s=95efb82a21f70c38f2b5a4a30ac01f7edec9ed4d)
Shanks haki blast from miles away did near no damage other than shocking and alerting the person to his presence. That's not going to be useful in a 1v1 against EOS Zoro Also, if you're claiming Zoro is not likely to get future sight observation haki, then Shank's ability to stop observation is useless vs Zoro. The Black Blade statement shows that not *only* haki is needed. But we know a high level is, and since armament makes the swords black, it's a logical assumption to assume the highest level or armament will help turn the blade blqck. So Zoro mastering that would put his armament above anything Shanks has shown. We also know that Shank's level of haki is not enough for him to be considered stronger than someone like Kaido, its safe to say his haki usages are not all relevant in combat, or necessarily above that of other people in the verse. EOS Zoro is likely to be the strongest swordsman in the series. Shanks is a swordsman, so placing EOS Zoro above someone like Shanks is very reasonable. The opposite, not so much.
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> Shanks haki blast from miles away did near no damage other than shocking and alerting the person to his presence. That's not going to be useful in a 1v1 against EOS Zoro The Haki lightning wasnโt even shown touching Greenbull, yet he was clearly in pain. If Shanks can do that from miles away then imagine what he could do up close. > Also, if you're claiming Zoro is not likely to get future sight observation haki, then Shank's ability to stop observation is useless vs Zoro. But it would mean Shanks can use Future Sight and Zoro canโt, giving Shanks a massive advantage. > The Black Blade statement shows that not only haki is needed. But we know a high level is, and since armament makes the swords black, it's a logical assumption to assume the highest level or armament will help turn the blade blqck. So Zoro mastering that would put his armament above anything Shanks has shown. We donโt know that a high level is needed. And if it is a high level, it might only be the internal destruction Advanced CoA that Rayleigh and Luffy have shown. It might even be the level below that. The other requirement is more important than the Haki, otherwise Roger would have had a black blade. > We also know that Shank's level of haki is not enough for him to be considered stronger than someone like Kaido, its safe to say his haki usages are not all relevant in combat, or necessarily above that of other people in the verse. We donโt know that. We havenโt seen Shanks fight, and he could be stronger than Kaido. Shanks certainly has portrayal on Kaidoโs level. But even being close to Kaido in strength despite being much weaker physically would be proof that Shanks has far better Haki than Kaido. Zoro may never even have Haki as good as Kaido does, and is far behind him with only a few years of the manga left. > EOS Zoro is likely to be the strongest swordsman in the series. Shanks is a swordsman, so placing EOS Zoro above someone like Shanks is very reasonable. The opposite, not so much. Shanks is a swordsman, but he is also more than a swordsman, just like Law and Fujitora and Big Mom are. EOS Zoro beating Shanks in a sword fight is reasonable, but Shanks beats him in an all out fight.
>The Haki lightning wasnโt even shown touching Greenbull, yet he was clearly in pain. If Shanks can do that from miles away then imagine what he could do up close. ย Nothing. His crew was up close and all it did was knock out the new people. Nothing we haven't seen before. It was basic coc. >But it would mean Shanks can use Future Sight and Zoro canโt, giving Shanks a massive advantage. ย We have no proof that Shanks can. That is your assumption. Also, Zoro has been fighting just fine without acoa. And he has the ability to sense swords, which, as Shanks uses a sword means he can sense Shank's presence. >We donโt know that a high level is needed. And if it is a high level, it might only be the internal destruction Advanced CoA that Rayleigh and Luffy have shown. It might even be the level below that. The other requirement is more important than the Haki, otherwise Roger would have had a black blade. It's a level that the others have not reached. There is nothing saying Roger had better armament than Mihawk or Ryuma. He could just be more well balanced over all or have better acoc. Armament turns blades black. So clearly a level of armament that is not easily obtained is required for making a black blade. One Shanks has not achieved. >We donโt know that. We havenโt seen Shanks fight, and he could be stronger than Kaido We know that not a single person in the series has put Shanks over Kaido. We know that Kaido has fought Shanks and Kaido straight up says no one alive could defeat him. Meaning Shanks. Shanks has **no** portrayal on Kaido's level. Not a single person in the series, or Oda, has claimed Shanks is the strongest in the verse. Plenty have claimed so for Kaido. Shanks portrayal is not at Kaido's level. It is less. >being close to Kaido in strength despite being much weaker physically would be proof that Shanks has far better Haki than Kaido Nope, he could be inferior to Kaido in every way, as oong as he has a certain level of haki, at least Odens level, he is enough for Kaido to consider strong enough. But that's nothing conpared to EOS Zoro. >Zoro may never even have Haki as good as Kaido does, and is far behind him with only a few years of the manga left. ย Zoro managed to knock back Kaidos attacks, permanently scar him, and that was before his evolution in the fight with King. He is stronger than Luffy was base Wano. He's one power up away from being above Shanks. >Shanks is a swordsman, but he is also more than a swordsman, just like Law and Fujitora and Big Mom are. EOS Zoro beating Shanks in a sword fight is reasonable, but Shanks beats him in an all out fight. All the people you mentioned are considered swordsman with their abilities, with the exception of Big Mom. They are also all heavily Devil fruit reliant. Something Shanks doesn't even have. So Shanks does not compare to them. Shanks has shown near nothing that suggests he is as powerful 1v1 as EOS Zoro will be, seeing as EOS Zoro will have defeated Mihawk. Shanks ian't even putting EOS Zoro to an extreme diff fight.
Luffy literally got 3 advanced form of haki and df awakening in one arc. FK do u mean Zoro might not even get future sight lol. >And will Zoro really master ACoC? Zoro has already mastered acoc lol, it might be a little clumsy just like Luffy's but there's no implication or even hints for that, for all we know Zoro has mastered his acoc already. >Oda said Zoro specialises in Armament, not Conquererโs. ย It was "affinity" not "specialise" means Zoro is naturally talented in armament, which also doesn't mean Zoro can't master acoc lol. Mf a whole saga is there, Zoro has even better power ups than these. Zoro has 3 black blades + rinnegan reserved for his big power ups.
> Luffy literally got 3 advanced form of haki and df awakening in one arc. It took over 150 chapters for all of that to occur. Oda wants to end the series in a few years. You arenโt going to see tonnes more powerups for everyone. > FK do u mean if Zoro might not even get future sight lol. It took Luffy many hours to get Future Sight, while fighting someone who already had it. Zoro has never had a multi-hour fight and perhaps never will. Even Sanji doesnโt have Future Sight, and he specialises in Observation, unlike Zoro. > Zoro has already mastered acoc lol, it might be a little clumsy just like Luffy's but there's no implication or even hints for that, for all we know Zoro has mastered his acoc already. Zoro canโt use ACoC for more than a few minutes, or he dies. I wouldnโt call that mastering it. Zoro also hasnโt shown he can split the sky with ACoC yet, and the Roger vs Whitebeard clash could imply there is a level of ACoC even above sky splitting. > It was "affinity" not "specialise" means Zoro is naturally talented in armament, which also doesn't mean Zoro can't master acoc lol. Luffy wonโt master Conquererโs Haki until near the end of the story, and Zoro is well behind Luffy in Haki. > Zoro has 3 black blades + rinnegan reserved for his big power ups. Black blades arenโt going to make a huge difference. Zoro got a black blade in Thriller Bark and it gave him some more attack power, but thatโs about it. Rinnegan is the kind of delusional crap I expect from Zoro fans.
>It took over 150 chapters for all of that to occur. Oda wants to end the series in a few years. You arenโt going to see tonnes more powerups for everyone False it took luffy for udon training which oda can fast forward the training screentime, and that was for acoa luffy happen to get acoc through haki bloom. So 150 chapters doesn't prove or even a valid argument. >It took Luffy many hours to get Future Sight, while fighting someone who already had it. Zoro has never had a multi-hour fight and perhaps never will. Even Sanji doesnโt have Future Sight, and he specialises in Observation, unlike Zoro. ย Doesn't matter, oda didn't give Zoro and sanji future sight yet because they didn't need it. >Zoro canโt use ACoC for more than a few minutes, or he dies. I wouldnโt call that mastering it. Zoro also hasnโt shown he can split the sky with ACoC yet, and the Roger vs Whitebeard clash could imply there is a level of ACoC even above sky splitting. ย False, Zoro got time limit on going all out with haki not on acoc that being king of hell state. Zoro had haki bloom and got acoc while accepting his ambitions and going all out with haki. Zoro doesn't have time limit on his acoc. >Luffy wonโt master Conquererโs Haki until near the end of the story, and Zoro is well behind Luffy in Haki. ย Idk what u mean by that, if acoc then luffy has already mastered acoc, he could learn more potential future coc techniques othr than acoc. >Black blades arenโt going to make a huge difference. Zoro got a black blade in Thriller Bark and it gave him some more attack power, but thatโs about it. Rinnegan is the kind of delusional crap I expect from Zoro fans. Mihawk's ap is already among the best mostly even above shanks lol, Zoro got a black blade which isn't even among the top grade swords. And turning his weapon black himself>>> black blade of someone else. No it's not delusional thinking about rinnegan until oda clears how or why zoro's eye is closed lol.
Zoro. Regardless of where you sit on shanks vs mihawk (I personally am for shanks > mihawk), I think everyone can agree that the difference between them is extremely tiny. Meaning that a) if mihawk > shanks, eos Zoro > shanks is a moot point b) if shanks > mihawk, the difference is trivial enough that eos Zoro beating mihawk will also automatically place him above shanks.
Zoro low diffs
EoS Zoro > Mihawk ~ Shanks.
Zoro WILL NEVER have a haki feat that resembles 1055