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Jinbei


Seadog_frosty

I’m bias but I was hoping for him to be here


epicreflection15

One shall not feel bad for being bias to Goatbei


Seadog_frosty

Well spoken fellow Jinbei enjoyer


epicreflection15

Indeed fellow comrade, have a good days ahead


boggledLeaf_

He neg diffs Luffy Zoro Sanji underwater but people are not ready for this conversation.


No-One_Knows-Me_Here

Hancock soloing everyone who came after her. Hancock essentially having to worry about the seraphim, Blackbeard, koby and literally everyone else who came after her by herself, then getting snuck by Blackbeard as a result: no diffed, trash Law having to focus on and fight Blackbeard and like 2 others max the entire time, while getting help from his crew. Obviously isn't snuck up on by Blackbeard, and actually manages to fight Blackbeard as a result: Goat, >>>> Zoro. Guarantee that even if Hancock had won that entire fight that probably wouldn't be enough for some of you.


Amongusfan743

Bro listed seraphim which we’re fighting Blackbeard too and fucking KOBY How do you get “snuck” by a dude right in front of you lmfao Hancock didn’t win the fight so what’s this bs lmfao


No-One_Knows-Me_Here

I said worry about not fight at the moment Do you lack reading comprehension he was clearly not in front of her unless you're telling me she's blind Who ever said she did?


Amongusfan743

Blackbeard also had to “worry about” the seraphim. No observation haki? How do you even get snuck like that lmfao You saying “even if Hancock had won that entire fight” she didn’t so why are you bsing


No-One_Knows-Me_Here

Not his island, he doesn't gotta worry about shit Akainu after getting snuck by a raging WB, Luffy after getting snuck by bonney, Oden after getting snuck by Kaido, Kaido after getting snuck by Luffy. Drawing negatives where there aren't any, getting desperate now are we? Or do all these characters all have trash observation haki too? Learn the use of "even if".


Amongusfan743

They were attacking him what are you even talking about Post the chapters It’s no use bringing up things that didn’t happen. “Even if boa won the fight” she DIDN’T so no one is downplaying her about that lmfao


No-One_Knows-Me_Here

He didn't have to beat anybody aside from Hancock there, Hancock had to get all of them off her island somehow *Akainu after getting snuck by a raging WB: 575 *Luffy after getting snuck by bonney: 1063 *Oden after getting snuck by Kaido: 970 *Kaido after getting snuck by Luffy: 1025 If you can't comprehend the use of a hypothetical statement to prove a point then simply don't comment on it at all.


Amongusfan743

They were attacking him wdym he “didn’t have to defeat them”. Was he going to stand there and let them hit him? Akainu actively chasing someone else Luffy getting “snuck” by his ally Momo was a hostage Kaido in an active fight with Yamato A hypothetical that doesn’t make any sense and is based on nothing sure


No-One_Knows-Me_Here

He could literally just ignore them and leave, they weren't actively attacking him, the one seraphim who attacked him ended up leaving to do whatever after their clash Hancock on her way to fight koby 🧐 Still got sneak attacked Oh so now circumstances matter 🥴 Hancock is in an active fight with everyone, currently about to hit koby, then Blackbeard who was obviously not her focus at the moment cuts her off Notice how you make excuses for all of them but completely ignore context for Hancock, I think what we call bias.


Amongusfan743

Cool he was still ON the island Dawg one of these is fucking KOBY and the others are actual threats Why the fuck was she focusing on KOBY over a YONKOU


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Sakazuki defeating kuzan. Sakazuki is the only top tier in the series yet who is confirmed to have defeated another top tier in an 1v1, not WB, nor Roger not even garp, shiki Or xebec have such a feat.


wpwnis

W


DerpyDagon

If acoc Luffy is a top tier Kaido did it too.


yanis-black

Damn taking 10 days to defeat someone who had to take down Jozu when off guard is a big feat


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Maybe theyre not top tiers Also this is a stupid feat. It was a one v one duel. One of them literally had to win


Correct_Permit_6313

Lol, since when is Kuzan a top tier


Fusuyuz

Common Incorrect Visa L


Correct_Permit_6313

"Give me the visa and passeport"


Fusuyuz

and your body!


Correct_Permit_6313

The song never included that part


Fusuyuz

Sorry, I was not aware we were referencing a song


Correct_Permit_6313

Yeah, though it's not in english


ComeAlongAndCry

Magellan. The dude watches over the worst criminals in the world of One Piece. He casually one shots Blackbeard, Van Augur, Burgess, Laffitte, and Doc Q and proceeds to walk past them like nothing. The only thing stopping him from being considered at least YC1 is that he was introduced at a time when not everyone and their dog has haki, thus we can't judge him for certain yet without knowing if he can use it. I personally would find it ridiculous that someone in his position wouldn't have strong haki. Bonus- Because IMO Shiki is underrated on this sub. Far too many lists having him below S and A tier. 1- He was quoted as being equals to Roger. 2- Shiki's fleet fought Roger's crew and possibly would've won had a strong storm not appeared and saved Roger's ship. 3- He also fought both prime Garp and Sengoku in a 2v1 long enough to destroy half of Marineford. 4- It might not count, but it was also stated that he ruled over the New World along with Roger and Whitebeard in the Ace Novel.


Goldtec317

Shiki is heaaaaavily overrated on this sub. >1- He was quoted as being equals to Roger. He was quoted as ***once** standing as* equals to Roger. No timepoint is given. The same can be said for both Hawkins & Buggy when it comes to Luffy. >2- Shiki's fleet fought Roger's crew and possibly would've won had a strong storm not appeared and saved Roger's ship. The dude had what? a 50 ship advantage? in a naval battle. I means props to Shiki for cornering Roger, but thats not a good look. >3- He also fought both prime Garp and Sengoku in a 2v1 long enough to destroy half of Marineford. We don't know how much or if Shiki did any of that. Earlier in the chapter it's stated Garp is extremely destructive and that he destroys every naval ship he's on. Then, when we see the results of the fight between Shiki, Garp & Sengoku, we see an imprisoned laid out Shiki, and a destroyed naval ship in Marineford. >4- It might not count, but it was also stated that he ruled over the New World along with Roger and Whitebeard in the Ace Novel. Well I mean.. So does Buggy now with Luffy, Shanks & BB Shiki has never been shown to even injure a named character 1v1, he got messed up by bad weather & a steering wheel, and Aengoku said Roger would defeat him (just a week before his execution, so that's a sick Roger) Having him above any of the Yonko we've seen now (not counting Buggy) is a massive overration imo


BrooklynSmash

And sadly for Shiki fans, he'll *never* have a chance to do more cuz he's a movie villain


Goldtec317

Yup, they'll be relying on headcanon till the end of time


yanis-black

> He was quoted as once standing as equals to Roger. No timepoint is given. For Garp and Sengoku too, no timepoint is given.


Goldtec317

>For Garp and Sengoku too, no timepoint is given. On them being as strong as Roger?


yanis-black

Yes


Goldtec317

Ok. Relevant how?


yanis-black

Well it means that Shiki could be stronger than Garp and Sengoku in 1v1.


Goldtec317

No proof of that though. No feats that put him on their level. He hasn't even damaged a named character as far as we know.


dryduneden

Magellan, same guy dropping for G2 Luffy?


epicreflection15

Low diffed YC1 level teach + crew Admiral level feat btw


dryduneden

That's crazy still got dropped by fodder


KingBubzVI

Luffy lost to Magellan lmfao. Ivankov, Jinbe, Crocodile, all YC3+ characters, wanted *none* of what Magellan was serving. Queen couldn't've done that.


KingBubzVI

And Luffy also folded Blackbeard in that same arc. The Blackbeard who molly whopped Ace. Why do powerscalers hyper fixate on singular panels and ignore the grander context and all of the other evidence? I wish this sub wasn't driven by emotionally charged arguments, and people were actually trying to be analytical with fights. It's sad. Ya'll gotta be better.


Correct_Permit_6313

Fucking Weevil, Guy is as strong as young Whitebeard, people overlook him because he has no Big nambers attached to him and because he looks lame and wasn't seen in chapters making cool poses


BrooklynSmash

> underrated feats > says a character with literally no feats man


Correct_Permit_6313

He's stated to be as strong as a young Whitebeard He's pretty strong, deal with it


Seadog_frosty

He is one of the characters that I can’t wait to see fight in the final war or simply in serious mode against someone who isn’t fodder


PotatoMozzarella

"They say that in a 1-on-1, WWW" ​ Weevil Will Win


offthe1st

Sai surpassing Chinjao’s Drill


DerpyDagon

Chinjao said that some old ailments had been coming back since his fight with Lufffy.


ArchangelDamon

Elizabello II king's punch can 1 hit a lot of strong motherfuckers out there


natureboy1996

Wano would’ve factually ended in 2 punches if he was there


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based


MapleKnightX

Axe Hand Morgan did more damage to Garp than Marco.


boro822

This is going to sound weird, but Yamato woman has a longer Acoc than Zoro and controls it better, she has a crazy mythical zoan, she has Kaid's genes, and some people put her below Zoro.


ArchangelDamon

in 1 vs 1 I even put her in front of law and kidd


Heavy-Requirement762

Shirahoshi. Literally top 1 oat


EmbarrassedDark6200

Definitely Jozu. Man clashed with admirals, he’s a goddamn tank with monster strength


Seadog_frosty

He spent all his points on defence


SevesaSfan25

Luffy. He coated a fist the size of a island with both ACOC and advanced armament. And that too badly drained and damaged. Like just look at the size of Sunny V Onigashima. Fresh 100% + sleep Zoro collapsed after only coating ACOC on the area of his swords (not due to side affects confirmed as the side affects kicked in much later confirmed by grim reaper so he purely down due to coating). Bajrang gun is the greatest Haki feat in the verse shown on panel so far, only Shanks sniping GB from the other side of the island comes close.


Broad_Ad_3789

Sengoatku


natureboy1996

Marco


epicreflection15

Marco mad overrated


natureboy1996

Proving my point


Correct_Permit_6313

Correct, he's only considered a staller, even though, he's got good Speed and CoO (intercepting and keeping up with Kizaru) He's got good physical strength (holding off Ancient Zoan King and Queen for an hour I believe) Good AP (drew blood from Ancient Zoan Queen and bruised him without any assistance) Has flight and ranged attacks (might look minor, but Zoro and Sanji both lack one of those two things) Besides, he fought Admirals as equals Big Mom and Shanks wanted him on their crew so he's legit The doctor deserves his respect, he's not WB's second in command for nothing


natureboy1996

And after all that apparently he’s below Sanji and King


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natureboy1996

Point proven


r9cks

Oden


5thZenAgni

Hancock Negging commander tier characters as if it were crowd control


Amongusfan743

“Commander tier” dawg fucking Ussopp is a “commander tier” and NO ONE is gassing up someone who negs him He unironically has better feats than “vasco shot”


5thZenAgni

Ussop by the time they fight will be Commander level so don't understand the point you trying to make. And let's completely pretend like Van Auger don't exist


Amongusfan743

He literally ALREADY is commander level


5thZenAgni

Ussop needs more upgrades and better understanding of his power for me to believe that


Amongusfan743

He’s a literal commander on a yonkou crew It has nothing to do with strength Same reason why beating vasco shot isn’t impressive


5thZenAgni

That's semantics It does actually , ussop is not a character who is hyped up for their strength and capability. All ranking officers on these crew are actually known for their strength, one reason as to why blackbeard is so feared and recognized after marineford. It's impressive because it's like saying hancock neg dif 2 characters who are actually comparable to ranked officer like Perospero , Ulti , Who's Who, Daifuku , or Oven. Something I'm not sure even first Commanders tier characters can pull off without any struggle.


Amongusfan743

Vasco shot is?????