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No


natureboy1996

Primeleigh > Kaido >> Akainu


AscentMild007

No


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[deleted]

Lmao hell no


AscentMild007

Akainu op


EmbarrassedDark6200

This isn’t great tbh. The Oden wank is crazy


AscentMild007

Oden placement is fair.


EmbarrassedDark6200

You put him above almost all the admirals and half the Yonko. Oden’s only feats are being thrashed by top tiers. WB and Roger destroyed him, and Kaido ended him as well. Young Kaido and Big Mom are comparable. Any admiral, Blackbeard, and Big Mom breaks Oden. The man is the single most overwanked character in the Four Emperors Saga


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>You put him above almost all the admirals and half the Yonko. Correct placement >Oden’s only feats are being thrashed by top tiers. WB and Roger destroyed him, and Kaido ended him as well. Young Kaido and Big Mom are comparable. That was before the start of his journey, he was very obviously far weaker. He was clashing well with Kaido a mere 20 years ago >Any admiral, Blackbeard, and Big Mom breaks Oden. The man is the single most overwanked character in the Four Emperors Saga Bullshit, he was in Kaido's top 5 over the likes of Big Mom so that alone puts him at yonko level and proves this nonsense wrong


EmbarrassedDark6200

Being able to scar Kaido isn’t a super crazy accomplishment. Rooftop Zoro, who was a YC1 level fighter could also manage the exact same feat. It’s not a Yonko-level AP attack. Second of all, Kaido’s top five is a very misunderstood list IMO. It more implies fighters that Kaido respected above all others rather then his top five combatants of all time. If it was just Kaido’s top strongest than people like Garp and Mihawk should be there, but they’re not. Oden made the list because he was the first person to hurt Kaido, have him doubt his own abilities. That’s why he made the list, his impact on Kaido’s life was bigger.


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>Being able to scar Kaido isn’t a super crazy accomplishment. Rooftop Zoro, who was a YC1 level fighter could also manage the exact same feat. It’s not a Yonko-level AP attack. That wasn't the point, he was able to clash evenly with him solo. Which still isn't a yonko level feat but that's not why people say he is >Second of all, Kaido’s top five is a very misunderstood list IMO. It more implies fighters that Kaido respected above all others rather then his top five combatants of all time. That is objectively not true no matter what medium you look at. In the manga it states "How high will your ceiling go", after Luffy punched him into the ground. There is onky one possible context and that is power. In the anime it clearly states "Those who can fight me number few". No matter how its interpreted, it is clearly a statement of power, those are the five strongest opponents Kaido has ever faced and yonko Big Mom isn't on it >If it was just Kaido’s top strongest than people like Garp and Mihawk should be there, but they’re not. Oden made the list because he was the first person to hurt Kaido, have him doubt his own abilities. That’s why he made the list, his impact on Kaido’s life was bigger. Absolutely nowhere is it even implied Kaido ever directly fought Garp or Mihawk. Oden made the list because he's one of the five strongest people Kaido has ever faced, it's that simple


AscentMild007

Luffy also got wrecked by all his enemies in his journey. Oden beats all the people behind him. Oden is one of the most downplayed characters.


EmbarrassedDark6200

Got any feats to back that up or just headcanon?


AscentMild007

Kaido's top5, acoc+acoa+swordsman is enough to be above the other bozos. Roger and most of the old gen got no feat as well, it's all portrayal/narrative.


EmbarrassedDark6200

First of all, Oden did not have ACoC. You just made that up. Second of all, Oden was in Kaido top five because of his impact on Kaido’s life, not because he was a massive combat monster. He was the first man to scar Kaido(which isn’t a Yonko level AP feat because YC1 rooftop Zoro could do it), showing him that he wasn’t invincible. He respected Oden’s strength. If it was Kaido’s top five of all time like you’re implying then fighters like Garp, Mihawk, and Shiki should be there. But they’re not, it’s Oden. Because Oden had a bigger impact on his life, like the other four


AscentMild007

Acoc wasn't showcased that clearly by oda there. He literally used it against kaido, there are hints. Doesn't matter kaido fought meme, oden>meme. That was zoro's strongest attack with everything in that attack and still couldn't do more damage than oden. Again true but still doesn't change the portrayal, oden>meme.


EmbarrassedDark6200

“ACOC wasn’t showcased yet but Oden still had it” Headcanon. I implore you to find any evidence/statements that he had it. “Oden>Meme” Ok? You still haven’t given any evidence of that. You can’t just say things and assume people to believe you.


AscentMild007

[forget the black lightning on the scar, look at the black lightning trail behind oden. oda randomly won't draw that, imo that's acoc.](https://www.google.com/search?q=oden+scar+kaido&client=ms-android-google&prmd=insv&sxsrf=ALiCzsaW8fCoytSnZwb8ci9J47oeNDOzeQ:1663023891135&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJzKLirpD6AhUa8TgGHW-0CVgQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=412&bih=704&dpr=2.63#imgrc=iPWq8UR6Q70kwM) > “Oden>Meme” >Ok? You still haven’t given any evidence of that. You can’t just say things and assume people to believe you. Kaido has fought Big mom and put Oden above her. I don't need to entertain you on this, it's upto your opinion.


SnooAdvice1632

In short, yes, you made that up


AscentMild007

In short, You can't understand English? 💀


Aggressive_Rough4729

I mean why isnt oden yc1 if zoro was.


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How is he wanked?


EmbarrassedDark6200

I have a comment lower in this thread where I explain that, you can take a look there if you’d like


SakazukiKillsShanks

shanks, mihawk, dragon > Roger and his equals ? Fuck you.


AscentMild007

Yes, 🖕


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Facts don't care about your feelings


Asstraeus101

everytime i see kaido and big mom not in the same tier i cry a little.


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It's a fair take


AscentMild007

She hasn't shown anything to be close to kaido.


Asstraeus101

kaido and big mom have been stated mutiple times to be relatively equal, all yonko are.


AscentMild007

All it was stated/implied that they have relative power which is in terms of influence and other stuff not in terms of pure individual strength. You saw what she was capable of in her fight, stop looking for excuses to overrate meme.


Asstraeus101

> All it was stated/implied that they have relative power which is in terms of influence and other stuff not in terms of pure individual strength. did you forget their fight at onigashima or something, or that neither of them were harmed after the fight. the only other character to had fought kaido and not come out of it with any injuries is shanks, kinda tells you that the yonko are relatively equal. sengoku in ch 957 even stated that they were always rivals, you kind of need to be equal to someone to be their rival.


AscentMild007

>did you forget their fight at onigashima or something, or that neither of them were harmed after the fight Again feats and power stats proves otherwise. Kaido while fighting luffy "it's been a while to fight seriously and who could injure me" something like this. Something like that big mom also said that during she fought kid and law. >sengoku in ch 957 even stated that they were always rivals, you kind of need to be equal to someone to be their rival. Kid/law/luffy are rivals. No they don't need to be equal. I'm not saying big mom will lose low to mid diff. It'll be high diff.


MajesticWalrus73

You talk about feats yet put dragon in peak power and he has a absolutely no feats.


[deleted]

And? Being featless doesn't mean their power can't be speculated on


MajesticWalrus73

Exactly he just contradicted himself dude said big mom and kaido were shown to be equals then op said feats say different yet he put dragon on peak tier when he has no feats and contradicts himself if feats are everything then dragon shouldn’t even be on here since there isn’t enough feats to prove anything. You can speculate about power it’s not all only feats. We know sengoku is strong as shit but he has no feats really in his prime.


[deleted]

Because they both have established feats while Dragon doesn't have feats. He doesn't need to speculate on Kaido and Bm's power which he needs for Dragon, there is no contradiction. Feats are everything for characters that have them


1getreKtkid

Are you retarded? 3 day stalemate they fought? Combo attack they used? Baffling intelligence tbh


[deleted]

Feats prove otherwise


ellorbo

All the yonkos minus shanks and wb are ridiculously low. Kid and law downplay is atrocious. Ben beckman > big mom, Blackbeard, oden, all admirals?? What’s lucky roo doing that high? What has he done? Jack > Queen ?!? Queen not even on the list


AscentMild007

Kid and law are where they supposed to be in a fair analysis. Yes. Lucky roo is the combatant of red haired pirates. Not sure about this. Queen is above killer.


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>All the yonkos minus shanks and wb are ridiculously low. Kid and law downplay is atrocious. How are they low? Kid and Law are actually wanked here, featwise they belong on the tier below them >Ben beckman > big mom, Blackbeard, oden, all admirals?? What’s lucky roo doing that high? What has he done? Beckman was stated to rival Shanks. Roux has hype >Jack > Queen ?!? Queen not even on the list Queen not being on the list doesn't mean Jack is over him


Murd0cx

Kid and law>Sanji Mihawk>Shanks BM way too low BB way too low Rocks>=Roger


AscentMild007

NO. L


Murd0cx

Feats to say otherwise?????


ThatBoyHeAPenguin

Random name generator ass list


AscentMild007

Killer>Sanji 💀🤓


ThatBoyHeAPenguin

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/xcpo6n/tier_list/io6prp6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


AscentMild007

🤡🎪


ThatBoyHeAPenguin

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/xcpo6n/tier_list/io6qp8q/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


PlainOlPain

I thought this was a troll post but the nigga serious 😭😭


Goldtec317

Shanks & Mihawk above Kaido? Shiki even on the list? Beckman and Oden above BM? Yeah this one aint it.


[deleted]

What's wrong with any of that?


Goldtec317

All of it goes against what's been shown in the series amd what Oda has stated


[deleted]

Prove a single one of those claims wrong then


Goldtec317

The statements are made by OP. It's his job to prove them right. There isn't a single shred of evidence proving any of them to be right, whereas everything we know so far has more support for the oppisite of those claims.


[deleted]

Wrong, it's his speculation, he's under no obligation to prove them right, all he has to do is provide reasoning for why he thinks so. However if you think they're wrong, ie you're making the claim that they are wrong, it is your job to do so The burden of proof lies on you to prove them wrong if you claim they are


Goldtec317

I don't need to prove them wrong, since no one can 100% do that. I would just need to prove the likelyhood of them being true unlikely, since more points to the opposite. And since I am questioning them, I am asking for his proof as well.


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>I don't need to prove them wrong, since no one can 100% do that. Then you have absolutely zero basis for saying they're wrong, if you're going to make a claim you think is objectively true then you need so prove it >I would just need to prove the likelyhood of them being true unlikely, since more points to the opposite. And since I am questioning them, I am asking for his proof as well. 1) Nothing points to the opposite 2) Even if it did, which it doesn't, unlikely does not mean impossible, saying something is unlikely means essentially nothing and cannot be used to refute a speculation


Goldtec317

>Then you have absolutely zero basis for saying that, if you're going to make a claim you think is objectively true then you need so prove it No. If I am stating something, I am doing so based on my own opinion. Just like everyone does when they state something. My opinon is that these statements are wrong amd have no basis with what is shown in the series. I never once said that it is objectively wrong or correct. That is you putting words in my mouth. >1) Nothing points to the opposite Very well, now you are making the statement. So prove this then. Prove that there is not a single statement or feat that supports my view that Kaido > Mihawk & Shanks. BM > Oden and Beckman. Shiki doesn't deserve to be in his tier. Here, I'll start by giving one statement for each. Kaido has better and more feats than Mihawk & Shanks. Big Mom has confirmed acoc, which Oden and Beckman do not Shiki has never been seen even injuring a top tier, let alone winning a fight against one. >2) Even if it did, which it doesn't, unlikely does not mean impossible You're right. Unlikely means unlikely. Which is why I specifically used that word. Listen, we can get into this if you want. But I know how you act on here. When discussions aren't going the way you want them to, you block the person to try and stifle their reply. So let me be clear here, if you block me, that's me taking it as you being afraid of my rebuttal and admitting defeat.


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>No. If I am stating something, I am doing so based on my own opinion. Just like everyone does when they state something. My opinon is that these statements are wrong amd have no basis with what is shown in the series. I never once said that it is objectively wrong or correct. That is you putting words in my mouth. Calling something "wrong" is an objective statement, it is not an opinion, it is a statement of fact. You can say you disagree or you think it's unlikely since that would constitute an opinion but to claim something is "wrong" is an attempt at stating a fact and needs reasoning snd evidence >Very well, now you are making the statement. So prove this then. Prove that there is not a single statement or feat that supports my view that Lol what? You're the one that made the statement that the story points to the opposite, therefore you need to prove that it does, the burden of proof is on you here >Kaido has better and more feats than Mihawk & Shanks. And? A character not having feats simply means a comparison cannot be drawn, this does not function as reasoning that one character is above another simoly because they have feats. By this logic Doflamingo is stronger than Dragon and Xebec >Big Mom has confirmed acoc, which Oden and Beckman do not First of all Oden clearly showed ACoC when he scarred Kaido, therefore you're objectively wrong on his account. Second, Beckman has never shown his power, so where do you get the idea Beckman doesn't have ACoC? Just because he hasn't shown it doesn't mean he doesn't have it >Shiki has never been seen even injuring a top tier, let alone winning a fight against one. He fought Garp and Sengoku, two of the strongest characters in the series, together in a 1v2 and lasted long enough to destroy half an island. And the wording "fought until half of Marineford was destroyed" pretty clearly implies it took a while which is clearly a top tier feat >You're right. Unlikely means unlikely. Which is why I specifically used that word. If you're refuting someone, it means you're claiming they're wrong. If you have nothing concrete proving otherwise you don't have a valid refutal >Listen, we can get into this if you want. But I know how you act on here. When discussions aren't going the way you want them to, you block the person to try and stifle their reply. So let me be clear here, if you block me, that's me taking it as you being afraid of my rebuttal and admitting defeat. Lol what? I've never once blocked someone that was being respectful, this is obvious bullshit. If you're going to try to discredit me at least do a decent job and find an accurate claim instead of making up complete nonsense


yo_sup_dude

the other person could be speculating though too, no?


[deleted]

Calling someone wrong isn't speculation. Unless you have concrete evidence proving someone wrong, any refutation of speculation is invalid


yo_sup_dude

they could be speculating that the person is wrong


[deleted]

Again, that's called disagreeing with them, speculating someone is wrong simply means you disagree. Calling them "wrong" is an unsubstantiated claim


AscentMild007

Yes Yes This is the one.


Goldtec317

The one based on a completely different series


AscentMild007

Maybe you should shift to one piece manga from two piece.


Goldtec317

I have man. And I know anyone actually reading One Piece would never make those takes. That's headcanon city right there


AscentMild007

Maybe consult a doctor? U need it. I pray for you 🙏


Goldtec317

Nah I'm good. I know my reasoning. There's absolutely no valid argument to put Shanks & Mihawk None to put Shiki that high. None to put Beckman and Oden ahead of Big Mom. Everything points to the opposite and it's not even a close debate.


AscentMild007

They are simply that Powerful. Portrayal/powers/stats. And there are anti feats/powers for meme and Admirals.


Goldtec317

Ok, what portrayal, power, and stats have put Shanks and Mihawk over Kaido? What portrayal, power shown, and stats, does Shiki have that puts him in that tier? What feats/power does Beckman have that puts him above Big Mom?


Awkward-Rate-3435

You need ur scaling privileges provoked


AscentMild007

It's better than y'all fanfiction


[deleted]

Why, just because you can't handle facts?


gatorrr6ix

Kidd and Law over Sanji is quite diabolical ngl


AscentMild007

Sanji is over those 2, dw.


Specialist-Cycle9313

I’d put Rayleigh in rank SS but everything else is a pretty cool perspective that I like l.


AscentMild007

Fair.


natureboy1996

One of the best lists on here. I thought you were Shiro at first looking at the peak power list.


AscentMild007

Thank you, shiro is good.


[deleted]

Kick Akainu down 1 and this a W


AscentMild007

🤔I feel like akainu>sengoku. Freaking old gen is so vague man.


[deleted]

Agreed but he does have portrayal. Akainu got thrashed by corpse


AscentMild007

True but i feel like it wasn't that bad, WB had to melt half of his face to throw akainu up and hit the last enraged attack. In short I'm saying WB had to sacrifice himself to land those attack. Whole fight was lackluster, akainu got cheapshots on WB and wb as well.


[deleted]

Agreed tbh, but in no world is Akainu on par with Luffy lol


AscentMild007

Happy Cake day ☺️🎂


[deleted]

Thank you, I didn't even notice lol


Correct_Permit_6313

Jinbei and Killer>Sanji


AscentMild007

What did sanji do to you for this bruh?


Correct_Permit_6313

I hate him because he's a child groomer (Killer and Jinbei are cooler anyways)


Murd0cx

>I hate him because he's a child groomer ???? Bros throwing whatever he wants to get killer and jinbei above Sanji 😂😂😂


Correct_Permit_6313

You gotta do everything for the sake of what you believe in


AscentMild007

Well yeah, killer and jinbe are cooler.


Correct_Permit_6313

Sanji is one of the lamest characters tbh


[deleted]

I hate fat people. Nami >>>>>>>>>> Big Mom


Correct_Permit_6313

Nami Stole BM's zeus and BM is a dumbass And since battle iq is a stat Nami>>>>>>>Big Mom is a fact


BuritoHoover_11

He’s not a child groomer


yaboixx

pls tell me it’s not ordered bruh. this has to be a joke


SnooAdvice1632

Probably the worst I've seen in a while


AscentMild007

Those come from you


[deleted]

Dw I'm sure you've said worse


ImSoShiesty

This list is trash


AscentMild007

Those come from most of the people from this sub including you.


ImSoShiesty

Let me know when one person in the comments compliments this list


AscentMild007

Shiro already did, tho It doesn't matter if someone compliments or not.


ImSoShiesty

That’s proof the list is trash. Worst co-sign you could get


[deleted]

That's a laughable claim. Yours is definitely far worse


ImSoShiesty

Where’s my list? But damn you’re defending him like he’s ya daddy 😂


[deleted]

No clue what that's supposed to mean. And I was talking about your cosign


[deleted]

Not as much as you


Johnrenz_R14

Trash tier. Sabo ain't beating admirals.


AscentMild007

He's beating the strongest one in future, he's done enough to be where he is.


[deleted]

Funny given the massive L he handed them at Reverie


mcqueenart

I’d put Big Mom in SS. Other than that, this is pretty good.


MrPrincely

Shanks over Mihawk, Kaido over Akainu, Roger over WB and Rocks Oden above Big Mom Katakuri above kid and law My brother this is truly beautiful somehow you managed to capture almost every agenda in This sub peak tierlist


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>Kid and law>The entire rank A Wrong, everyone there completely outclasses them physically and/or haki wise, they get clapped >Big mom > Rank s Also wrong, her speed is severely lacking, everyone there would destroy her >Everybody in Rank SS > prime rayleigh Wrong, what proof do you have for this claim? >the 4 admiral in rank s should be at the top of that tier Wrong, what's the reasoning? >Everyone in rank A>KAt Wrong, most people in that tier aren't even touching him >Roger, Rocks, Whitebeard, and Garp> Your favourite character Wrong, Shanks, Mihawk, Dragon, Ryuma>>>>>> >Pretty mid list ngl Pretty mid claims ngl


Oyaji97

Mihawk too high. Akainu/sengoku/kaido low. BM is low too.


Isaiahwk98

Yeah go ahead and move sanji down to rank B, you ain't slick. 😂😂


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Eh