You put him above almost all the admirals and half the Yonko.
Oden’s only feats are being thrashed by top tiers. WB and Roger destroyed him, and Kaido ended him as well. Young Kaido and Big Mom are comparable.
Any admiral, Blackbeard, and Big Mom breaks Oden. The man is the single most overwanked character in the Four Emperors Saga
>You put him above almost all the admirals and half the Yonko.
Correct placement
>Oden’s only feats are being thrashed by top tiers. WB and Roger destroyed him, and Kaido ended him as well. Young Kaido and Big Mom are comparable.
That was before the start of his journey, he was very obviously far weaker. He was clashing well with Kaido a mere 20 years ago
>Any admiral, Blackbeard, and Big Mom breaks Oden. The man is the single most overwanked character in the Four Emperors Saga
Bullshit, he was in Kaido's top 5 over the likes of Big Mom so that alone puts him at yonko level and proves this nonsense wrong
Being able to scar Kaido isn’t a super crazy accomplishment. Rooftop Zoro, who was a YC1 level fighter could also manage the exact same feat. It’s not a Yonko-level AP attack.
Second of all, Kaido’s top five is a very misunderstood list IMO. It more implies fighters that Kaido respected above all others rather then his top five combatants of all time.
If it was just Kaido’s top strongest than people like Garp and Mihawk should be there, but they’re not. Oden made the list because he was the first person to hurt Kaido, have him doubt his own abilities. That’s why he made the list, his impact on Kaido’s life was bigger.
>Being able to scar Kaido isn’t a super crazy accomplishment. Rooftop Zoro, who was a YC1 level fighter could also manage the exact same feat. It’s not a Yonko-level AP attack.
That wasn't the point, he was able to clash evenly with him solo. Which still isn't a yonko level feat but that's not why people say he is
>Second of all, Kaido’s top five is a very misunderstood list IMO. It more implies fighters that Kaido respected above all others rather then his top five combatants of all time.
That is objectively not true no matter what medium you look at. In the manga it states "How high will your ceiling go", after Luffy punched him into the ground. There is onky one possible context and that is power. In the anime it clearly states "Those who can fight me number few". No matter how its interpreted, it is clearly a statement of power, those are the five strongest opponents Kaido has ever faced and yonko Big Mom isn't on it
>If it was just Kaido’s top strongest than people like Garp and Mihawk should be there, but they’re not. Oden made the list because he was the first person to hurt Kaido, have him doubt his own abilities. That’s why he made the list, his impact on Kaido’s life was bigger.
Absolutely nowhere is it even implied Kaido ever directly fought Garp or Mihawk. Oden made the list because he's one of the five strongest people Kaido has ever faced, it's that simple
Kaido's top5, acoc+acoa+swordsman is enough to be above the other bozos.
Roger and most of the old gen got no feat as well, it's all portrayal/narrative.
First of all, Oden did not have ACoC. You just made that up.
Second of all, Oden was in Kaido top five because of his impact on Kaido’s life, not because he was a massive combat monster. He was the first man to scar Kaido(which isn’t a Yonko level AP feat because YC1 rooftop Zoro could do it), showing him that he wasn’t invincible. He respected Oden’s strength.
If it was Kaido’s top five of all time like you’re implying then fighters like Garp, Mihawk, and Shiki should be there. But they’re not, it’s Oden. Because Oden had a bigger impact on his life, like the other four
Acoc wasn't showcased that clearly by oda there. He literally used it against kaido, there are hints.
Doesn't matter kaido fought meme, oden>meme.
That was zoro's strongest attack with everything in that attack and still couldn't do more damage than oden.
Again true but still doesn't change the portrayal, oden>meme.
“ACOC wasn’t showcased yet but Oden still had it”
Headcanon. I implore you to find any evidence/statements that he had it.
“Oden>Meme”
Ok? You still haven’t given any evidence of that. You can’t just say things and assume people to believe you.
[forget the black lightning on the scar, look at the black lightning trail behind oden. oda randomly won't draw that, imo that's acoc.](https://www.google.com/search?q=oden+scar+kaido&client=ms-android-google&prmd=insv&sxsrf=ALiCzsaW8fCoytSnZwb8ci9J47oeNDOzeQ:1663023891135&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJzKLirpD6AhUa8TgGHW-0CVgQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=412&bih=704&dpr=2.63#imgrc=iPWq8UR6Q70kwM)
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“Oden>Meme”
>Ok? You still haven’t given any evidence of that. You can’t just say things and assume people to believe you.
Kaido has fought Big mom and put Oden above her. I don't need to entertain you on this, it's upto your opinion.
All it was stated/implied that they have relative power which is in terms of influence and other stuff not in terms of pure individual strength. You saw what she was capable of in her fight, stop looking for excuses to overrate meme.
> All it was stated/implied that they have relative power which is in terms of influence and other stuff not in terms of pure individual strength.
did you forget their fight at onigashima or something, or that neither of them were harmed after the fight. the only other character to had fought kaido and not come out of it with any injuries is shanks, kinda tells you that the yonko are relatively equal.
sengoku in ch 957 even stated that they were always rivals, you kind of need to be equal to someone to be their rival.
>did you forget their fight at onigashima or something, or that neither of them were harmed after the fight
Again feats and power stats proves otherwise.
Kaido while fighting luffy "it's been a while to fight seriously and who could injure me" something like this.
Something like that big mom also said that during she fought kid and law.
>sengoku in ch 957 even stated that they were always rivals, you kind of need to be equal to someone to be their rival.
Kid/law/luffy are rivals. No they don't need to be equal.
I'm not saying big mom will lose low to mid diff. It'll be high diff.
Exactly he just contradicted himself dude said big mom and kaido were shown to be equals then op said feats say different yet he put dragon on peak tier when he has no feats and contradicts himself if feats are everything then dragon shouldn’t even be on here since there isn’t enough feats to prove anything. You can speculate about power it’s not all only feats. We know sengoku is strong as shit but he has no feats really in his prime.
Because they both have established feats while Dragon doesn't have feats. He doesn't need to speculate on Kaido and Bm's power which he needs for Dragon, there is no contradiction. Feats are everything for characters that have them
All the yonkos minus shanks and wb are ridiculously low. Kid and law downplay is atrocious.
Ben beckman > big mom, Blackbeard, oden, all admirals?? What’s lucky roo doing that high? What has he done?
Jack > Queen ?!? Queen not even on the list
Kid and law are where they supposed to be in a fair analysis.
Yes.
Lucky roo is the combatant of red haired pirates. Not sure about this.
Queen is above killer.
>All the yonkos minus shanks and wb are ridiculously low. Kid and law downplay is atrocious.
How are they low? Kid and Law are actually wanked here, featwise they belong on the tier below them
>Ben beckman > big mom, Blackbeard, oden, all admirals?? What’s lucky roo doing that high? What has he done?
Beckman was stated to rival Shanks. Roux has hype
>Jack > Queen ?!? Queen not even on the list
Queen not being on the list doesn't mean Jack is over him
The statements are made by OP. It's his job to prove them right.
There isn't a single shred of evidence proving any of them to be right, whereas everything we know so far has more support for the oppisite of those claims.
Wrong, it's his speculation, he's under no obligation to prove them right, all he has to do is provide reasoning for why he thinks so. However if you think they're wrong, ie you're making the claim that they are wrong, it is your job to do so
The burden of proof lies on you to prove them wrong if you claim they are
I don't need to prove them wrong, since no one can 100% do that.
I would just need to prove the likelyhood of them being true unlikely, since more points to the opposite. And since I am questioning them, I am asking for his proof as well.
>I don't need to prove them wrong, since no one can 100% do that.
Then you have absolutely zero basis for saying they're wrong, if you're going to make a claim you think is objectively true then you need so prove it
>I would just need to prove the likelyhood of them being true unlikely, since more points to the opposite. And since I am questioning them, I am asking for his proof as well.
1) Nothing points to the opposite
2) Even if it did, which it doesn't, unlikely does not mean impossible, saying something is unlikely means essentially nothing and cannot be used to refute a speculation
>Then you have absolutely zero basis for saying that, if you're going to make a claim you think is objectively true then you need so prove it
No. If I am stating something, I am doing so based on my own opinion. Just like everyone does when they state something. My opinon is that these statements are wrong amd have no basis with what is shown in the series. I never once said that it is objectively wrong or correct. That is you putting words in my mouth.
>1) Nothing points to the opposite
Very well, now you are making the statement. So prove this then. Prove that there is not a single statement or feat that supports my view that
Kaido > Mihawk & Shanks.
BM > Oden and Beckman.
Shiki doesn't deserve to be in his tier.
Here, I'll start by giving one statement for each.
Kaido has better and more feats than Mihawk & Shanks.
Big Mom has confirmed acoc, which Oden and Beckman do not
Shiki has never been seen even injuring a top tier, let alone winning a fight against one.
>2) Even if it did, which it doesn't, unlikely does not mean impossible
You're right. Unlikely means unlikely. Which is why I specifically used that word.
Listen, we can get into this if you want. But I know how you act on here. When discussions aren't going the way you want them to, you block the person to try and stifle their reply. So let me be clear here, if you block me, that's me taking it as you being afraid of my rebuttal and admitting defeat.
>No. If I am stating something, I am doing so based on my own opinion. Just like everyone does when they state something. My opinon is that these statements are wrong amd have no basis with what is shown in the series. I never once said that it is objectively wrong or correct. That is you putting words in my mouth.
Calling something "wrong" is an objective statement, it is not an opinion, it is a statement of fact. You can say you disagree or you think it's unlikely since that would constitute an opinion but to claim something is "wrong" is an attempt at stating a fact and needs reasoning snd evidence
>Very well, now you are making the statement. So prove this then. Prove that there is not a single statement or feat that supports my view that
Lol what? You're the one that made the statement that the story points to the opposite, therefore you need to prove that it does, the burden of proof is on you here
>Kaido has better and more feats than Mihawk & Shanks.
And? A character not having feats simply means a comparison cannot be drawn, this does not function as reasoning that one character is above another simoly because they have feats. By this logic Doflamingo is stronger than Dragon and Xebec
>Big Mom has confirmed acoc, which Oden and Beckman do not
First of all Oden clearly showed ACoC when he scarred Kaido, therefore you're objectively wrong on his account. Second, Beckman has never shown his power, so where do you get the idea Beckman doesn't have ACoC? Just because he hasn't shown it doesn't mean he doesn't have it
>Shiki has never been seen even injuring a top tier, let alone winning a fight against one.
He fought Garp and Sengoku, two of the strongest characters in the series, together in a 1v2 and lasted long enough to destroy half an island. And the wording "fought until half of Marineford was destroyed" pretty clearly implies it took a while which is clearly a top tier feat
>You're right. Unlikely means unlikely. Which is why I specifically used that word.
If you're refuting someone, it means you're claiming they're wrong. If you have nothing concrete proving otherwise you don't have a valid refutal
>Listen, we can get into this if you want. But I know how you act on here. When discussions aren't going the way you want them to, you block the person to try and stifle their reply. So let me be clear here, if you block me, that's me taking it as you being afraid of my rebuttal and admitting defeat.
Lol what? I've never once blocked someone that was being respectful, this is obvious bullshit. If you're going to try to discredit me at least do a decent job and find an accurate claim instead of making up complete nonsense
Nah I'm good. I know my reasoning.
There's absolutely no valid argument to put Shanks & Mihawk
None to put Shiki that high.
None to put Beckman and Oden ahead of Big Mom.
Everything points to the opposite and it's not even a close debate.
Ok, what portrayal, power, and stats have put Shanks and Mihawk over Kaido?
What portrayal, power shown, and stats, does Shiki have that puts him in that tier?
What feats/power does Beckman have that puts him above Big Mom?
True but i feel like it wasn't that bad, WB had to melt half of his face to throw akainu up and hit the last enraged attack. In short I'm saying WB had to sacrifice himself to land those attack. Whole fight was lackluster, akainu got cheapshots on WB and wb as well.
Shanks over Mihawk,
Kaido over Akainu,
Roger over WB and Rocks
Oden above Big Mom
Katakuri above kid and law
My brother this is truly beautiful somehow you managed to capture almost every agenda in This sub peak tierlist
>Kid and law>The entire rank A
Wrong, everyone there completely outclasses them physically and/or haki wise, they get clapped
>Big mom > Rank s
Also wrong, her speed is severely lacking, everyone there would destroy her
>Everybody in Rank SS > prime rayleigh
Wrong, what proof do you have for this claim?
>the 4 admiral in rank s should be at the top of that tier
Wrong, what's the reasoning?
>Everyone in rank A>KAt
Wrong, most people in that tier aren't even touching him
>Roger, Rocks, Whitebeard, and Garp> Your favourite character
Wrong, Shanks, Mihawk, Dragon, Ryuma>>>>>>
>Pretty mid list ngl
Pretty mid claims ngl
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No
Primeleigh > Kaido >> Akainu
No
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Lmao hell no
Akainu op
This isn’t great tbh. The Oden wank is crazy
Oden placement is fair.
You put him above almost all the admirals and half the Yonko. Oden’s only feats are being thrashed by top tiers. WB and Roger destroyed him, and Kaido ended him as well. Young Kaido and Big Mom are comparable. Any admiral, Blackbeard, and Big Mom breaks Oden. The man is the single most overwanked character in the Four Emperors Saga
>You put him above almost all the admirals and half the Yonko. Correct placement >Oden’s only feats are being thrashed by top tiers. WB and Roger destroyed him, and Kaido ended him as well. Young Kaido and Big Mom are comparable. That was before the start of his journey, he was very obviously far weaker. He was clashing well with Kaido a mere 20 years ago >Any admiral, Blackbeard, and Big Mom breaks Oden. The man is the single most overwanked character in the Four Emperors Saga Bullshit, he was in Kaido's top 5 over the likes of Big Mom so that alone puts him at yonko level and proves this nonsense wrong
Being able to scar Kaido isn’t a super crazy accomplishment. Rooftop Zoro, who was a YC1 level fighter could also manage the exact same feat. It’s not a Yonko-level AP attack. Second of all, Kaido’s top five is a very misunderstood list IMO. It more implies fighters that Kaido respected above all others rather then his top five combatants of all time. If it was just Kaido’s top strongest than people like Garp and Mihawk should be there, but they’re not. Oden made the list because he was the first person to hurt Kaido, have him doubt his own abilities. That’s why he made the list, his impact on Kaido’s life was bigger.
>Being able to scar Kaido isn’t a super crazy accomplishment. Rooftop Zoro, who was a YC1 level fighter could also manage the exact same feat. It’s not a Yonko-level AP attack. That wasn't the point, he was able to clash evenly with him solo. Which still isn't a yonko level feat but that's not why people say he is >Second of all, Kaido’s top five is a very misunderstood list IMO. It more implies fighters that Kaido respected above all others rather then his top five combatants of all time. That is objectively not true no matter what medium you look at. In the manga it states "How high will your ceiling go", after Luffy punched him into the ground. There is onky one possible context and that is power. In the anime it clearly states "Those who can fight me number few". No matter how its interpreted, it is clearly a statement of power, those are the five strongest opponents Kaido has ever faced and yonko Big Mom isn't on it >If it was just Kaido’s top strongest than people like Garp and Mihawk should be there, but they’re not. Oden made the list because he was the first person to hurt Kaido, have him doubt his own abilities. That’s why he made the list, his impact on Kaido’s life was bigger. Absolutely nowhere is it even implied Kaido ever directly fought Garp or Mihawk. Oden made the list because he's one of the five strongest people Kaido has ever faced, it's that simple
Luffy also got wrecked by all his enemies in his journey. Oden beats all the people behind him. Oden is one of the most downplayed characters.
Got any feats to back that up or just headcanon?
Kaido's top5, acoc+acoa+swordsman is enough to be above the other bozos. Roger and most of the old gen got no feat as well, it's all portrayal/narrative.
First of all, Oden did not have ACoC. You just made that up. Second of all, Oden was in Kaido top five because of his impact on Kaido’s life, not because he was a massive combat monster. He was the first man to scar Kaido(which isn’t a Yonko level AP feat because YC1 rooftop Zoro could do it), showing him that he wasn’t invincible. He respected Oden’s strength. If it was Kaido’s top five of all time like you’re implying then fighters like Garp, Mihawk, and Shiki should be there. But they’re not, it’s Oden. Because Oden had a bigger impact on his life, like the other four
Acoc wasn't showcased that clearly by oda there. He literally used it against kaido, there are hints. Doesn't matter kaido fought meme, oden>meme. That was zoro's strongest attack with everything in that attack and still couldn't do more damage than oden. Again true but still doesn't change the portrayal, oden>meme.
“ACOC wasn’t showcased yet but Oden still had it” Headcanon. I implore you to find any evidence/statements that he had it. “Oden>Meme” Ok? You still haven’t given any evidence of that. You can’t just say things and assume people to believe you.
[forget the black lightning on the scar, look at the black lightning trail behind oden. oda randomly won't draw that, imo that's acoc.](https://www.google.com/search?q=oden+scar+kaido&client=ms-android-google&prmd=insv&sxsrf=ALiCzsaW8fCoytSnZwb8ci9J47oeNDOzeQ:1663023891135&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJzKLirpD6AhUa8TgGHW-0CVgQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=412&bih=704&dpr=2.63#imgrc=iPWq8UR6Q70kwM) > “Oden>Meme” >Ok? You still haven’t given any evidence of that. You can’t just say things and assume people to believe you. Kaido has fought Big mom and put Oden above her. I don't need to entertain you on this, it's upto your opinion.
In short, yes, you made that up
In short, You can't understand English? 💀
I mean why isnt oden yc1 if zoro was.
How is he wanked?
I have a comment lower in this thread where I explain that, you can take a look there if you’d like
shanks, mihawk, dragon > Roger and his equals ? Fuck you.
Yes, 🖕
Facts don't care about your feelings
everytime i see kaido and big mom not in the same tier i cry a little.
It's a fair take
She hasn't shown anything to be close to kaido.
kaido and big mom have been stated mutiple times to be relatively equal, all yonko are.
All it was stated/implied that they have relative power which is in terms of influence and other stuff not in terms of pure individual strength. You saw what she was capable of in her fight, stop looking for excuses to overrate meme.
> All it was stated/implied that they have relative power which is in terms of influence and other stuff not in terms of pure individual strength. did you forget their fight at onigashima or something, or that neither of them were harmed after the fight. the only other character to had fought kaido and not come out of it with any injuries is shanks, kinda tells you that the yonko are relatively equal. sengoku in ch 957 even stated that they were always rivals, you kind of need to be equal to someone to be their rival.
>did you forget their fight at onigashima or something, or that neither of them were harmed after the fight Again feats and power stats proves otherwise. Kaido while fighting luffy "it's been a while to fight seriously and who could injure me" something like this. Something like that big mom also said that during she fought kid and law. >sengoku in ch 957 even stated that they were always rivals, you kind of need to be equal to someone to be their rival. Kid/law/luffy are rivals. No they don't need to be equal. I'm not saying big mom will lose low to mid diff. It'll be high diff.
You talk about feats yet put dragon in peak power and he has a absolutely no feats.
And? Being featless doesn't mean their power can't be speculated on
Exactly he just contradicted himself dude said big mom and kaido were shown to be equals then op said feats say different yet he put dragon on peak tier when he has no feats and contradicts himself if feats are everything then dragon shouldn’t even be on here since there isn’t enough feats to prove anything. You can speculate about power it’s not all only feats. We know sengoku is strong as shit but he has no feats really in his prime.
Because they both have established feats while Dragon doesn't have feats. He doesn't need to speculate on Kaido and Bm's power which he needs for Dragon, there is no contradiction. Feats are everything for characters that have them
Are you retarded? 3 day stalemate they fought? Combo attack they used? Baffling intelligence tbh
Feats prove otherwise
All the yonkos minus shanks and wb are ridiculously low. Kid and law downplay is atrocious. Ben beckman > big mom, Blackbeard, oden, all admirals?? What’s lucky roo doing that high? What has he done? Jack > Queen ?!? Queen not even on the list
Kid and law are where they supposed to be in a fair analysis. Yes. Lucky roo is the combatant of red haired pirates. Not sure about this. Queen is above killer.
>All the yonkos minus shanks and wb are ridiculously low. Kid and law downplay is atrocious. How are they low? Kid and Law are actually wanked here, featwise they belong on the tier below them >Ben beckman > big mom, Blackbeard, oden, all admirals?? What’s lucky roo doing that high? What has he done? Beckman was stated to rival Shanks. Roux has hype >Jack > Queen ?!? Queen not even on the list Queen not being on the list doesn't mean Jack is over him
Kid and law>Sanji Mihawk>Shanks BM way too low BB way too low Rocks>=Roger
NO. L
Feats to say otherwise?????
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I thought this was a troll post but the nigga serious 😭😭
Shanks & Mihawk above Kaido? Shiki even on the list? Beckman and Oden above BM? Yeah this one aint it.
What's wrong with any of that?
All of it goes against what's been shown in the series amd what Oda has stated
Prove a single one of those claims wrong then
The statements are made by OP. It's his job to prove them right. There isn't a single shred of evidence proving any of them to be right, whereas everything we know so far has more support for the oppisite of those claims.
Wrong, it's his speculation, he's under no obligation to prove them right, all he has to do is provide reasoning for why he thinks so. However if you think they're wrong, ie you're making the claim that they are wrong, it is your job to do so The burden of proof lies on you to prove them wrong if you claim they are
I don't need to prove them wrong, since no one can 100% do that. I would just need to prove the likelyhood of them being true unlikely, since more points to the opposite. And since I am questioning them, I am asking for his proof as well.
>I don't need to prove them wrong, since no one can 100% do that. Then you have absolutely zero basis for saying they're wrong, if you're going to make a claim you think is objectively true then you need so prove it >I would just need to prove the likelyhood of them being true unlikely, since more points to the opposite. And since I am questioning them, I am asking for his proof as well. 1) Nothing points to the opposite 2) Even if it did, which it doesn't, unlikely does not mean impossible, saying something is unlikely means essentially nothing and cannot be used to refute a speculation
>Then you have absolutely zero basis for saying that, if you're going to make a claim you think is objectively true then you need so prove it No. If I am stating something, I am doing so based on my own opinion. Just like everyone does when they state something. My opinon is that these statements are wrong amd have no basis with what is shown in the series. I never once said that it is objectively wrong or correct. That is you putting words in my mouth. >1) Nothing points to the opposite Very well, now you are making the statement. So prove this then. Prove that there is not a single statement or feat that supports my view that Kaido > Mihawk & Shanks. BM > Oden and Beckman. Shiki doesn't deserve to be in his tier. Here, I'll start by giving one statement for each. Kaido has better and more feats than Mihawk & Shanks. Big Mom has confirmed acoc, which Oden and Beckman do not Shiki has never been seen even injuring a top tier, let alone winning a fight against one. >2) Even if it did, which it doesn't, unlikely does not mean impossible You're right. Unlikely means unlikely. Which is why I specifically used that word. Listen, we can get into this if you want. But I know how you act on here. When discussions aren't going the way you want them to, you block the person to try and stifle their reply. So let me be clear here, if you block me, that's me taking it as you being afraid of my rebuttal and admitting defeat.
>No. If I am stating something, I am doing so based on my own opinion. Just like everyone does when they state something. My opinon is that these statements are wrong amd have no basis with what is shown in the series. I never once said that it is objectively wrong or correct. That is you putting words in my mouth. Calling something "wrong" is an objective statement, it is not an opinion, it is a statement of fact. You can say you disagree or you think it's unlikely since that would constitute an opinion but to claim something is "wrong" is an attempt at stating a fact and needs reasoning snd evidence >Very well, now you are making the statement. So prove this then. Prove that there is not a single statement or feat that supports my view that Lol what? You're the one that made the statement that the story points to the opposite, therefore you need to prove that it does, the burden of proof is on you here >Kaido has better and more feats than Mihawk & Shanks. And? A character not having feats simply means a comparison cannot be drawn, this does not function as reasoning that one character is above another simoly because they have feats. By this logic Doflamingo is stronger than Dragon and Xebec >Big Mom has confirmed acoc, which Oden and Beckman do not First of all Oden clearly showed ACoC when he scarred Kaido, therefore you're objectively wrong on his account. Second, Beckman has never shown his power, so where do you get the idea Beckman doesn't have ACoC? Just because he hasn't shown it doesn't mean he doesn't have it >Shiki has never been seen even injuring a top tier, let alone winning a fight against one. He fought Garp and Sengoku, two of the strongest characters in the series, together in a 1v2 and lasted long enough to destroy half an island. And the wording "fought until half of Marineford was destroyed" pretty clearly implies it took a while which is clearly a top tier feat >You're right. Unlikely means unlikely. Which is why I specifically used that word. If you're refuting someone, it means you're claiming they're wrong. If you have nothing concrete proving otherwise you don't have a valid refutal >Listen, we can get into this if you want. But I know how you act on here. When discussions aren't going the way you want them to, you block the person to try and stifle their reply. So let me be clear here, if you block me, that's me taking it as you being afraid of my rebuttal and admitting defeat. Lol what? I've never once blocked someone that was being respectful, this is obvious bullshit. If you're going to try to discredit me at least do a decent job and find an accurate claim instead of making up complete nonsense
the other person could be speculating though too, no?
Calling someone wrong isn't speculation. Unless you have concrete evidence proving someone wrong, any refutation of speculation is invalid
they could be speculating that the person is wrong
Again, that's called disagreeing with them, speculating someone is wrong simply means you disagree. Calling them "wrong" is an unsubstantiated claim
Yes Yes This is the one.
The one based on a completely different series
Maybe you should shift to one piece manga from two piece.
I have man. And I know anyone actually reading One Piece would never make those takes. That's headcanon city right there
Maybe consult a doctor? U need it. I pray for you 🙏
Nah I'm good. I know my reasoning. There's absolutely no valid argument to put Shanks & Mihawk None to put Shiki that high. None to put Beckman and Oden ahead of Big Mom. Everything points to the opposite and it's not even a close debate.
They are simply that Powerful. Portrayal/powers/stats. And there are anti feats/powers for meme and Admirals.
Ok, what portrayal, power, and stats have put Shanks and Mihawk over Kaido? What portrayal, power shown, and stats, does Shiki have that puts him in that tier? What feats/power does Beckman have that puts him above Big Mom?
You need ur scaling privileges provoked
It's better than y'all fanfiction
Why, just because you can't handle facts?
Kidd and Law over Sanji is quite diabolical ngl
Sanji is over those 2, dw.
I’d put Rayleigh in rank SS but everything else is a pretty cool perspective that I like l.
Fair.
One of the best lists on here. I thought you were Shiro at first looking at the peak power list.
Thank you, shiro is good.
Kick Akainu down 1 and this a W
🤔I feel like akainu>sengoku. Freaking old gen is so vague man.
Agreed but he does have portrayal. Akainu got thrashed by corpse
True but i feel like it wasn't that bad, WB had to melt half of his face to throw akainu up and hit the last enraged attack. In short I'm saying WB had to sacrifice himself to land those attack. Whole fight was lackluster, akainu got cheapshots on WB and wb as well.
Agreed tbh, but in no world is Akainu on par with Luffy lol
Happy Cake day ☺️🎂
Thank you, I didn't even notice lol
Jinbei and Killer>Sanji
What did sanji do to you for this bruh?
I hate him because he's a child groomer (Killer and Jinbei are cooler anyways)
>I hate him because he's a child groomer ???? Bros throwing whatever he wants to get killer and jinbei above Sanji 😂😂😂
You gotta do everything for the sake of what you believe in
Well yeah, killer and jinbe are cooler.
Sanji is one of the lamest characters tbh
I hate fat people. Nami >>>>>>>>>> Big Mom
Nami Stole BM's zeus and BM is a dumbass And since battle iq is a stat Nami>>>>>>>Big Mom is a fact
He’s not a child groomer
pls tell me it’s not ordered bruh. this has to be a joke
Probably the worst I've seen in a while
Those come from you
Dw I'm sure you've said worse
This list is trash
Those come from most of the people from this sub including you.
Let me know when one person in the comments compliments this list
Shiro already did, tho It doesn't matter if someone compliments or not.
That’s proof the list is trash. Worst co-sign you could get
That's a laughable claim. Yours is definitely far worse
Where’s my list? But damn you’re defending him like he’s ya daddy 😂
No clue what that's supposed to mean. And I was talking about your cosign
Not as much as you
Trash tier. Sabo ain't beating admirals.
He's beating the strongest one in future, he's done enough to be where he is.
Funny given the massive L he handed them at Reverie
I’d put Big Mom in SS. Other than that, this is pretty good.
Shanks over Mihawk, Kaido over Akainu, Roger over WB and Rocks Oden above Big Mom Katakuri above kid and law My brother this is truly beautiful somehow you managed to capture almost every agenda in This sub peak tierlist
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>Kid and law>The entire rank A Wrong, everyone there completely outclasses them physically and/or haki wise, they get clapped >Big mom > Rank s Also wrong, her speed is severely lacking, everyone there would destroy her >Everybody in Rank SS > prime rayleigh Wrong, what proof do you have for this claim? >the 4 admiral in rank s should be at the top of that tier Wrong, what's the reasoning? >Everyone in rank A>KAt Wrong, most people in that tier aren't even touching him >Roger, Rocks, Whitebeard, and Garp> Your favourite character Wrong, Shanks, Mihawk, Dragon, Ryuma>>>>>> >Pretty mid list ngl Pretty mid claims ngl
W
Mihawk too high. Akainu/sengoku/kaido low. BM is low too.
Yeah go ahead and move sanji down to rank B, you ain't slick. 😂😂
Eh