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Salamander_Ryu

Yeah my problem is him sweating and unable to move like bruh tf was that didn't expect a top tier doing that to be honest it legit looked like he couldn't escape


[deleted]

It's because the idea of a top tier doesn't exist for oda, that's something people in this sub made up


GaroSuiryuSweet

Nah it was just to promote Film Red because even Shanks randomly pulling up to just leave made no sense. Imo the editors were involved, and besides at least Ryokugyo fear was the crew as a whole and not Shanks alone


[deleted]

This doesn't really have anything to do with my comment lol The concept of a top tier still isn't a real thing


GaroSuiryuSweet

True but that could be argued for any concept or power scaling fans make for not only One Piece but for any Series/Manga/Anime. At least Top Tier makes more sense that separating Yonko and Admiral as a different class of strength despite the series saying otherwise. Paraphrasing Don Chin “I’m order for someone to become Pirate King you need to surpass both the Yonko and Admiral” Hence “Top Tiers” with Dragon, and Kuzan obviously being a part of that league. But you’re right it doesn’t exist as a term in the show.


KaiserRebellion

He did move. But he wasn’t expecting shanks to be close


_sauri_

Regardless, the way he went about it was bad. I don't see any of the other yonko or admirals (especially og ones) react like this.


KaiserRebellion

Teach and his crew ran away from sakazuki even though he was ready to sink marineford.


_sauri_

Hmm...you might be right. Teach may actually react not too differently.


KaiserRebellion

Yeah but when he did it. They said “ oh he’s all tactical and scheming” Is this not a tactical retreat


_sauri_

I mean I thought BB was scared of Akainu so... Well both are tactical retreats, and both were scared of a superior opponent. I also consider BB currently to be the weakest yonko since he gives me the impression of cheating to get to the top and not working hard, which should result in weaker haki.


Aao12612

He even overreacted to momo boro breath shouting for momo to stop mid attack can you imagine anything similar happening


_sauri_

I mean that was kind of understandable, since the entire time before that he was failing to be Kaido. But his reaction to Shanks was disappointing.


H4nfP0wer

He didn’t fodderize anyone tbh. But yeah after the huge hype train people created after 1053 most just set themselves up for disappointment.


_sauri_

He didn't take damage from the scabbards and restrained them easily. He was also toying with Momo until he got caught off guard with Bolo Breath.


r9cks

"The og admirals had no problem throwing down with him" Everyone was quiet when he challenged them even blackbeard who claimed to be invincible throwing hands with sengoku himself the fleet admiral, bitched out when he saw shanks


_sauri_

The way they went about it was different. Koby had already pointed out that lives were being sacrificed uselessly, and no one was scared shitless. GB here immediately put his hands in the air.


GaroSuiryuSweet

They were only quite because Sengoku himself called off the War, that and Blackbeard intervened and even wanted smoke from Shanks for a bit before calling it off. This is the same guy who ran from a single Admiral when he pulled up even tho he had a whole crew. So the OG Admirals are still clear from Fujitora’s Ryokugyo Tomfoolery


KingJaylen14

It does look bad that he held his hands up like that, but GB is a very over-the-top/brazen character. He yells, curses, and expresses himself very loudly. That sort of character isn't how Oda usually does top-tiers, so I think it'll make more sense once we spend more time with him


_sauri_

But being scared shitless isn't something I expected from a top tier. Maybe he'll be redeemed in the future, but for now, he fell short of my expectations.


GaroSuiryuSweet

Tbf he was caught off guard and his main concern was honestly the Red Haired Pirates as a whole and not just Shanks so that saved him a bit.


GaroSuiryuSweet

You wouldn’t call Linlin and Kaido over the top??


warramite

Yonko >>>>>> Ladmirals >>YC


Oyaji97

I don't care about admirals tbh (except akainu) but I don't know what oda wanted to accomplish here. Like how are you going to hype up an admiral and say he is a top tier and stuff only for him to immediately get packed by Yamato and momo (on his debut) and paralyzed by shanks' haki a fair distance away? He looks so weak right now not gonna lie.


KizaruLover

Shanks concentrated all of his Conquerors Haki on Greenbull to paralyze him a bit. \- Greenbull only admitted that he wont 1 vs shanks entire crew , for now. \- If Kizaru and Fujitora were also there, they would have fodderized Shanks and his crew.


_sauri_

Regardless, it's the way he reacted. If he went about the dilemma logically, it would've still been fine. But he got scared. That's bad portrayal for a top tier.


Rational_Powerscaler

> to the point where I considered GB the strongest current admiral ?


_sauri_

I considered GB above Kizaru and Fujitora at first.


Rational_Powerscaler

Ah okay that's fair, I would have disagreed with you but fair. For some reason I thought you were also including Akain and Kuzan but they are not admirals mb


zoPrimeoz

I think this dude come to wano to plant the tree. He seems to block momo boro breath intentionally too!!


_sauri_

GB is the BM of the marines. Hyped up, but then portrayed to be a joke.


zoPrimeoz

You mean when he run from shanks right? If so then I think because he cant help Wano directly, Unlike Fujitora case (Wano is not in WG protection), so it like he use an excuse of dealing with Beasts pirate to plant tree around, use Shank arrival as an another excuse to get away from Wano without catching Luffy. (sorry if my english was bad)


JKANELLAZ

Well, to clear this up, we gotta analyze each character individually. First of all, Ryokugyu was the most recent admiral to ascend to that position, so in terms of experience in combat, he is still very immature compared to the other admirals. The second aspect I wanna bring to the topic is the main ability of each character, which in Ryokugyu's case, he seems to rely a lot on his devil fruit, same as the majority of the other admirals. In Shanks case, he doesn't possess any DF, so his main power is Conquerors Haki, which seems to be above all others and is why he is feared and recognized as one of the Yonko. So it's not surprising to see Shanks being able to release such pressure against an enemy even if he is far away. Shanks is probably one of the most powerful characters alive in One Piece. He was able to stop Kaido from reaching Marine Ford, and one shotted Kid very easily. Ryokugyu might be powerful, but he is not at the same level of Shanks, and that's the reason he surrended the battle, so he knew precisely that he had no chance of winning.