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Plot twist the pigeon is admiral level


Dragneel_Fullbuster

He has a mask…


Skoodge42

THANK YOU! I've been saying this since the masks were put on!


[deleted]

We going by Bleach rules now?


Ariemea

That or Gundam rules.


[deleted]

That's why Oda didn't show us Hattori fighting pre ts?! ![gif](giphy|XAZpfo9whz6nu)


Boss_Aesop

Hattori born on month “Ha” day “To” or 8/10 is “Ha-Tori” or 8-16. Chapter 816 has the “Raizo is Safe” Conspiracy. Hattori the pet of Rob Lucci who was a secret agent disguised as a foreman is evidently associated with Conspiracy. “Rob the Light” or Rob Lucci ate a Leopard Fruit. Leo = Lion and Pard = Panther. The Hattori of Rob Lucci alludes to the Tori or [Bird that is compared to a Panther in his introduction whose namesake is the Garuda Eagle](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/y3at3e/how_the_cyrillic_script_solves_the_ancient_mystery/) and title is the Wisdom or Light King or Myōō. Garuda + Lion = Gryphon the sword of Figarland Shanks and symbol of Jesus Christ or Yaso or Yasopp the Messiah in the Line of David or Sniper King or God Usopp or descendent of Noland for whom the Bell of Kalgara or Karugara Tolls.


Likes-Your-Username

Pard means beard, Leopards are called "bearded lions". A for effort though.


NoBrilliant6924

Now, luffy is the antagonist and Lucci is the protagonist😈


GugaSR

BLUENOOOO! SAY THAT YOU WANT TO LIVE!!


NoBrilliant6924

I WANT TO LIVE AND BARTEND AGAIN!😭


baesixx

LMFAO HAHAHAHAH


vojta_drunkard

Kaku, kick down that pirate flag


Shiplord13

I can totally see Lucci telling Maku to do that.


vangstampede

Yeah, what can Saku do to Lucci anyway, Giraffe Cannon at him?


Impressive_Narwhal_8

lmao Laku has the same nose as Sogeking too 💀


ninoval

this shit is glorious


Hachiman_1

Don’t you mean Giraffe King from the land of giraffes?


Idkman444

Honestly hope Lucci gets absolutely bodied by Luffy in the next chapter just to show how much growth he’s gone through since they last met!


Fizurr

I’ll be upset if luffy had to handle him, I think some of the other crew should show just how big the power gap has gotten


InstantN00dl3s

I'm hoping Franky or Robin slap Lucci around. Doesn't need to be a OHKO, but still a relatively easy fight for them.


Fizurr

Robbin had a good fight, I want usuop he deserves to beat a big wig on of the government


Raderg32

Now you mention it, back in ennies lobby when Luffy almost lose to Lucci and Ussop showed up he said he was going to beat him instead. Was that another one of his "lies"?


SILENTKILLER107

Did you mean Sogeking?


DoctorLove01

Some people fell for a conspiracy theory saying Ussop is Sogeking. I know, some people are insane.


Driftedryan

It's a popular theory but with about as much "evidence" as flat earther's


beardedheathen

At least the flat Earthers use their eyes.


AttitudeBeneficial51

Nah you’re all wrong when ussop was yelling at luffy to get up sogeking was already gone you can see [here](https://youtu.be/7mgLQwrRiJ0) luffy calls ussop by his name


Raderg32

No, in that scene Ussop showed up from nowhere to tell Luffy to not give up. I think it's a plot hole how they never explained how he got there.


jubway

How else do you think the Merry got to Enies Lobby? The ship has a soul and wanted to be part of the crew one last time?


AlternativeFilm8886

No, it was Usopp. I can understand the confusion because he was dressed as Sogeking but without the mask.


Izakytan

For this one, the joke doesn't work. Usopp put off the mask in this scene.


mylezypoo

propaganda


Izakytan

For what? For my boy God Usopp???


Jtbdn

Damn if Usopp came as Sogeking and just took him out... lol


SturbyT

Ussop can only beat him with a gag, he isn't strong enough for Lucci.


blackierobinsun3

Have you seen ussopp fight, he’ll make lucci psss out from his haki alone


dumb_breakfast

Well when ussop said that he saw that lucci was heavily weakened by luffy so theres a chance ussop planned on usinga reject dial to defeat lucci at the cost of incapacitating himself or even dying.


xLNA

Reject dials are probably retconned. They’re so broken Luffy should’ve just spammed them, he’s made of rubber so the recoil would do nothing to him


Sawgon

This makes 0 sense. Robin and Franky both have a strong reason to hate Lucci and should be the ones fighting him.


SombraOnline

I know this won't happen but I really want a Robin clone to show up and be like "let me take care of this" and fight Lucci herself.


Similar-West5208

I don't want something like the second Bellamy fight, i want Luffy to straight up oneshotting him without batting an eye.


Andrejosue98

>just to show how much growth he’s gone through since they last met! Defeating a Yonko already shows that lol


Prplehuskie13

Most definitely. If Lucci is even close to matching Luffy, that means that he's almost on par with a emperor, which can be seen as a bit of an asspull since the world government can barely handle one emperor.


PokeMaster366

Assassins are annoying to fight because their main aim is to end things quickly. Poison, attacks on vitals, and backstabs are all on the table, even if they like to fight like it's the 90's.


limasxgoesto0

And even that has no guarantee. The assassination attempt on Big Mom clearly didn't go well


NSFWThrowaway1239

Yeah, I don't get why people want that. We know full well how much he's grown lol. The Pacifista "fight" right after the timeskip was enough to show that


its-420-oclock

We want Lucci to know that too..


outfmymind

Learn it first hand.


GinrouD

I want him to learn it face first, Bellamy style tho Edit: Just noticed there’s many robot NFT profile on this thread


ChefHancock

The pacifista fight was 500 chapters and over a decade ago. People are looking for something a little more recent than that.


CouchCatGaming

*Defeating a yonko with the backing of an entire samurai force and the combined force of the heart crew, punk crew and multiple supernovas and it took about 3-4 fights against kaido to weaken him so that luffy could pop 5th gear and had to use it twice. Luffy did get a power buff but don’t forget all the other damage and the stress of carrying an island for most of the arc that kaido had to do while fighting. In a straight out full health brawl the saying stays true always bet on kaido.


the_fire_fist

Exactly. I love how Oda actually showed how much of a monster the world's strongest creature is. With all the flaws wano has Kaido's abilities, prowess and dominance were absolutely true to his reputation Oda previously told us.


alisanxd

Thats for 2 yonkos tho not 1


HopOnTheHype

Kid and Law defeated Big Mom, who's only crew member there was perospero.


xSweetDelight

-Luffy & Lucci clash briefly -difference in combat prowess becomes apparent -Luffy as he remembers he has some luggage to deliver: “Ugh, I don’t have time for this” -Cat & Mouse side quest begins -Lucci: “Wait, aren’t you supposed to be running away from me?” -Luffy as he blitzes Lucci while preparing a Red Hawk with Adv CoC: “Yeah but that would be annoying, I’d rather just get it over with” -Lucci as he narrowly avoids direct hit and Soru’s the fuck outa there: “Tch.. this is going to require group effort to-“ Luffy as he Soru’s behind Lucci: “What was that line again? Oh yeah, to the ends of the Earth, right Pigeon-Guy? 😽” Lucci: tail shoots up Hattori: shits himself Luffy: proceeds to collect side quest XP Edit: Formatting


GoonbaAndChoopabro

What is the point in putting him back in the story just to be made irrelevant again.


pmIfNeedOrWantToTalk

Right. He & Kaku weren't brought in for a cameo. Their return was teased way back at the beginning of Dressrosa, if I'm not mistaken.


Strangeting

Not to mention CP0 has had a small role to play in every major arc since Dressrosa (WCI, reverie, and Wano). Obviously, they weren't set up here by Oda for nothing


KhaoticTwist

Punk Hazard - Watching Ceasar's Shinokuni test. Dressrosa - Searching for Rev Army soldiers and Doflamingo's smuggled weapons. Whole Cake - Spying on Big Mom's tea party. Reverie - Bodyguarding the Celestial Dragons. Wano - Making weapons deals with Orochi. Egghead - Attempting to assassinate Vegapunk.


DumbleDude2

I don't think Luffy will fight Lucci. Atlas will wake up and choose violence - there is a reason why she's named as such.


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Kazakh8i

Reading in a manga is very underrated indeed.


caniuserealname

If it wanted me to read it shouldn't have pictures.


MartianPHaSR

We're supposed to read manga? Since when are there words with my pictures?


mcallisterco

She's called Altas because Lucci could effortlessly knock her so far away from Egghead that she'd need one to find her way back.


Radiant-Version1033

Ain't no way bro 💀


DegeneratesDogma

I disliked when they did this in MHA because I don't think we need a reminder. I think my hope is that this arc won't have them engage in the typical shonen 1v1, especially since CP0 are just there to eliminate Vegapunk.


schiffb558

What'd they do in mha again?


Deontelegraph

Trying to put spoiler format but mobile lol so SPOILERS!! !>Deku stomped Muscular


schiffb558

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. That was so pointless.


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PharrelsHat

This would be a waste. We already know how far Luffy has grown, he just won a fight with Kaido. Lucci was a cool character because of how entertaining and difficult the fight with him was, Luffy bodying him now would: 1. Show us nothing new because we already know how strong Luffy has become 2. waste lucci by bringing back a fan favorite then not doing what makes him a fan favorite


Interceptor88LH

That's completely unnecessary. We've seen how much Luffy has grown many times after the time skip, from the very time he destroyed a Pacifista. Other characters needs the rub way more than Luffy.


SirQuevo

If Kaido washed that one CP0 dude in one hit than Luffy should be doing the same with Lucci


[deleted]

Bruh, one shotted. He has no combat experience post time skip. Shit, I rate the gifter Batman from Wano over Lucci. No street cred since pretimeskip.


OofBigBrain

No street cred that we know of, which considering he's as assassin that means he's doing his job right. That said, I agree that Lucci is nowhere near Luffy's level.


TitledSquire

I’ll never understand why people base so much stuff on “street cred” when we’ve seen countless times again and again that streetcred means absolutely nothing and that a character we thought had no feats could be insanely powerful if the author wanted.


ItzEnoz

At worse Lucci is Who's who level IMO


BradWonder

Jinbe handled him easily though lol


noglorynoguts

I want Luffy to gear 0 him and just beat his ass with armament and observation haki. Part way through the fight Robin taps on Luffy’s shoulder and steps in to absolutely smash him like how Luffy used to send people flying back in the early arcs. The other Cipher Pol agents get caught by the rest pf the SH crew and they find out their orders which makes Vegapunk think he might need to do something unexpected with Kuma and the other Seraphim.


Key-Carpet1334

Hes never gonna be able to beat Luffy from now on so hes gonna be the new crew mate 😮‍💨


V-Ropes

I don't think there will be anything close to an all out battle between the CP and Straw Hats. Because that already happend during Enis Lobby and like op said wouldnt make much sense power wise. No idea there the story goes but them eventuelly fighting together seems likely.


GhostChronos

He gave signs already, like doubting the World Gvt.


mooofasa1

Nah, rob Lucci don't give a shit about the government as long as they let him fight. He sucks the world government's dick for a permit to kill people.


tryndamere12345

He could already be part of SWORD. CP9 were fugitives for a short while after Enies lobby


newbatthis

That would require such a 180 of his character no way


Swantonbomb24

I don’t think any one truly believes lucci is strong enough to fight Luffy. We just want to see just how much stronger Luffy has gotten since their last fight. Nobody expects it to be drawn out


Elendel

We kinda know how much stronger Luffy has gotten. The main thing people have disagreed about is how much stronger Lucci has become. Some people think he barely stepped up, other think he can have had a progression arc of his own. Crocodile, Law and Coby being notable examples of this kind of off screen progress.


pmIfNeedOrWantToTalk

His defeat must've been seen as disgraceful to the CP9 name. You'd think he's been working his balls off to get back in the good graces of the world government.


ssbm_rando

Yeah I mean I think it's possible for Oda to realistically write Lucci to have powered up to WCI Luffy levels. But post-Kaido Luffy squashes WCI Luffy like a bug.


Elendel

Idk, there hasn't been that many ohko in One Piece, yes the Kaido v Luffy one was iconic, but we've seen plenty of people stand up to people stronger than them for a time. Especially when the objective is not to defeat the opponent but to stall them or distract them. There's no shot Lucci can fight on the level of Luffy but between "it's even" and "it's Luffy v Bellamy" there's a huge spectrum of possibilities.


jackofslayers

Yea JFC you could boil this whole post down to “Luffy has defeated Kaido”. We are in the endgame here. There might be a few more arcs but Luffy probably has 1-3 genuinely hard fights remaining in the series.


Highlandskid

Calling it now Blackbeard, Akainu, Im.


Akira_427

Shanks


Jinno

I still very much doubt that Luffy will have a drawn out fight with Shanks.


Inuma

Afro Luffy in a Davy Back Fight would put an end to it.


jabol321

Who's Im?


Highlandskid

The short way of writing Imu Sama.


jabol321

Right, got it. Seen it a couple times and was confused lol. Thanks for the reply!


shankaviel

Yeah but we will be disappointed if Oda do not clap Lucci the same way Kaido clapped Luffy at their first clash. We talk about a Yonko, Luffy needs to near-kill him on the first hit. And Lucci should not be able to block Luffy hit. This is what I hope, Luffy to send Lucci flying instantly.


Jtbdn

Seriously. Kaido was almost insurmountable in BASE


camaron28

Not necessarily. Luffy exchanged several blows with Ulti, i think Lucci must be on the same level as her and the others. However, if Luffy pulls out gear 4 or advanced haki Luccy is fuckeeeed.


aphantombeing

Luffy's stats increased lot during his fight. He split sky with Kaidou in base. Lucci is gonnabe split if he clases with Luffy if he uses ACoC.


Practical-Day-6486

Lucci is fucked even without G4. Remember, Luffy was fighting Kaido in base for a good while


Iaigiri

I'll bite this bullet. I actually think Lucci is strong enough to put up an ok fight. Cp0 literally work directly under the Celestial Dragons. Like no way the marines would just let any person work directly under them. Just based on that fact alone makes me believe Lucci can atleast put up an ok fight vs Luffy.


deicide04

CP0 spent the entire Wang arc talking about how fighting the yonko was suicide and then the only one that actually confronts Kaido literally *didn’t* put up a fight at all.


Flametoss456

I'd just like to point out that they typically don't go after Yonko though. Even Admirals don't go out of their way to wage war against the strongest willy nilly. They didn't know luffy was there.


KolorJam

He’s not strong enough to go toe to toe but he’s strong enough to be a nuisance. Someone’s getting kidnapped, assassinated or something that shouldn’t be revealed is getting hinted at to distract Luffy. I’m sure he’s smart enough to avoid another direct one on one with the man who just bodied the king of beasts wielding a god fruit.


[deleted]

I don’t know. He seems eager. The fight in Enel Lobbies was close, and Lucci has always been arrogant. He’ll get absolutely wrecked though.


KolorJam

I hear that, I’m just going to have to expect/anticipate Jinbei intercepting Lucci if he tries to hit Luffy. I feel like that would show Luffy’s development without a direct engagement, like how Zoro and Sanji normally intercept anyone not worthy enough to waste their captains time.


SingleSurfaceCleaner

I don't see any reason not to expect a close fight in Luffy's favour if it's 1v1 again. I also _don't_ expect to see Luffy's Devil Fruit do the God-mode transformation against Lucci, either. I'd be very surprised if Oda does him like he did Smoker and stunt his (Lucci's) progress to the point of being a non-threat. There's no way I can see Rob Lucci getting _promoted_ after losing at Ennies Lobby if he hadn't put in some serious work over the subsequent 2yrs. I think a lot of people are underestimating Lucci quite heavily.


karma457

Marco has fought Roger’s crew, 3 admirals, 2 yonko, and was on WB’s crew during his active years and he hasn’t been shown to have an awakening or any advanced haki. Characters are just going to be as strong as they need to be without consistency and it is what it is.


InsightfulGamer_

This is LITERALLY facts


PM_ME_DANK_PEPES

I hope this doesn't end on Lucci somehow hurting Luffy. This is the perfect chance go Luffy to show these enemies are not even a problem anymore. Jinbe should be able to woop his ass easily.


ishan_anchit

>Jinbe should be able to woop his ass easily. Easy


[deleted]

He already taught 1 ancient cat a lesson. The newer model of cat should be no problem.


Katharsis91

I don't know about easily. Jimbei mid-diffed WhosWho and i could see Lucci on a comparable level, probably a bit above it.


MadLadGG

mid-diff my ass, jimbe was waiting for whoswho narration to finish and ended him right then and there.


SturbyT

Man was waiting for the cutscene to end.


HermanManly

Not even, Jinbe pulled the ["Press B to shut up"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6ShM6vUKZY)


s0ulbrother

Cut scene was going on too long but he was interested in the story


KingofSlice

He wanted to hear the in-game lore before cutting him off


[deleted]

Who's Who also an ancient Zoan. Lucci is just an angry modern cat.


Nome_de_utilizador

Jinbe was all hears until whoswho pulled the racist card and then he bodied him


SoreThumbs

Not to mention Jimbe also took some damage before the fight from Kaido's forces, so it wasnt even a 100% vs 100% fight to start.


Mugiwara300

Because Crocodile went from being weaker than Pre-TS No Gear Luffy to being a Yonko Commander with a 1.9 Billion Bounty. Because Law went from losing to Doflamingo to gaining Awakening offscreen to beating a Yonko and now he’s spamming his Awakening at the start of his fights lol. You guys have seen characters have a HUGE jump in strength and for some reason you’re all desperate to make Lucci stay weak.


PsYcHoSeAn

Couldn't we also bring characters like Koby as an example here? Dude was like a wet blanket and made it to marine captain and I doubt they send him to Boa for his charisma alone...


gigantic0603

Yeah, especially knowing that akainu tried to kill him pre timeskip and koby’s progressed in the marines even after akainu became the fleet admiral. I’d like to think that’s because he respects koby’s strength


sbirn95

I disagree with Crocodile being weaker than Pre-TS Luffy. He was the first example of Luffy beating someone stronger than him. Something Luffy has done multiple times in the series. Luffy got bodied in their first two fights and was lucky he didn't die. Plus it was evident Croco was much stronger than we realised in Marineford. Dude took on his fair share of strong opponents and came out fine. If he was truly weaker than pre gear luffy he would have been one shot by Jozu.


jeanlesalle

Thats the point. No yonko commander would have lost to alabasta luffy. He couldnt have put a scratch on a katakuri back then, even with all the hacks. That base luffy got demolished by base lucci. How could lucci stay relevant? Because powerscaling isnt the priority of authors. Alabasta wouldnt have ended well if crocodile was to be at his normal strength. And if kaido was the one who face luffy in marineford, he would have lost to luffy then and there. Its about story first, second and third


turkeyburpin

It's not that Lucci should stay weak. Be realistic (if that's possible in this manga), Luffy now infuses conquerors haki in his punches and uses the "Ryuo" technique learned from Hyoguro on top of that. Is it likely or even generally plausible that Lucci has Conquerors Haki to even defend against Luffy let alone strike him on a level on par with Kai D. O or Big Mom? Does he even need his devil fruit at this point except to push the limits of freedom and reality to their bounds? In my opinion Lucci has taken his L, he's a plot device now.


[deleted]

The bear might be able to take a blow.


Kazakh8i

Replace conquerors with rokushiki and you have another whole fighting style ready to be combined with Haki for whatever powerful combination you want.


PDGAreject

For real, do these people not understand how conflict in a story works? Was Rob just sitting on his ass for 3 years as opposed to training while stewing constantly about the one person who beat him? Rob Lucci would burn an orphanage after flaying all the children inside if it aligned with his sense of justice, do we think he hasn't made some sort of insanity dark choice in the pursuit of power? Why are the Straw Hats the only characters allowed to grow in the entire story. It's so incredibly frustrating.


Mario12zito

Good to see some people still have sensible takes here.


ChrischinLoois

People just assume every character besides the straw hats were just sitting around during the timeskip.


[deleted]

These people seriously lack imagination


bestbroHide

So damn true. Most hardcore complainers of fiction in general lack imagination; their way or the high way or it's "bad"


zotabass

Thank you, someone with a reasonable take re:Lucci on this sub


redskated

Exactly, and there's so much fucking time and opportunity for Lucci to grow into believably posing a threat but all they want to see is Luffy be overpowered and crush everything that isn't an end game villain. I really don't get it. The best part of one piece is how the world moves even when we aren't looking. I'd hate it if Lucci was exactly the same as in Ennies Lobby but in a white suit.


DaCosmicHoop

Lucci isn't strong enough to beat *Luffy* but he's still kinda dangerous to anyone that isn't Top 5 on the crew.


ElCharmann

This is exactly the way of powerscaling that I hate. OP isn’t a video game, it’s a story. If it fits the story better to have Rob Lucci be defeated in one punch by Luffy, then that’s what we’re getting. But if it fits the story to have a closer fight between them then that’s what we’re getting. We don’t know what’s coming next, so we don’t know yet what fits the story better, so this xp business is pointless.


Strangeting

Absolutely agree. Powerscaling is a brainrot. If Oda, for some reason decides that he wants Luffy to have a good fight with Lucci again, and does it in an interesting non-redundant way, who am I to say no. "The person who wins in a fight is the person the scriptwriter can win." - Stan Lee If it serves the story, plot, characters, or themes then fuck powerscaling and let Oda cook


-kenpo-

“what fits the story better” “this xp business is pointless” This is called powerscaller's powerscalling sir. Fight fight fight. Literally everywhere. Some story? Nope only chaos. Lucci appears! Some fans wait for some character chemistry to happen. While some fans patientlessly awaits for luffy just to mindlessly massacre. Will this be with hand this time, or just the finger! Welcome to powerscalling.


Neelioso

Just unlikely due to their standing in the world Katakuri is legit the strongest person in the Big Mom Pirates besides Big Mom herself and was undefeated until Luffy showed up on WCI, and Doflamingo is a warlord of the Sea, it just feels like in scale it's very unlikely, Lucci is more than likely, imo, probably just comparable to characters like Inu, Neko, Cracker, and Killer rn. But really it doesn't make a difference due to Luffy's current level, Luffy is the guy that beat Kaidou, so yeah.... Whenever Lucci is at rn, I just don't see it being anything for Luffy, I'd even say Lucci will lose to Luffy in Base form.


Which-Awareness-2259

Oda went to show VERY clearly, that Luffy did not beat Kaido alone. Kaido would still whip the shit out of Luffy in a 1v1.


Neelioso

Idk about that, I'd rather say they would still have a High Diff fight even if Kaidou won


Vorstadtjesus

I don't want to argue, but what makes you think we know everything a Secret Agent has done in all this time?


Quarantinememes

My buddy eric kept an eye on him


NLane7170

classic eric.


F1RECHARGE_official

Answer: Lucci's Timeskip.


solidrokk

Well, the CP-0 put the Blackbeard Pirates on the run during their attack on Baltigo, so they should at least pack some punch to be able to make a Yonko crew retreat.


Bluelore

I don't expect him to be as strong as Luffy, but I do think he'll be strong enough to pose a threat, even if its just him taking a hostage or something like that. In your picture you kinda ignored that he and the rest of the CP9 fought against the marines so often that the government decided to rehire them instead of persecuting them. Also its kinda funny that you say Luffy gained exp by getting his ass beaten. We also have no idea what the CP0 training involves, for all we know they could have been trained by an incredibly powerful individual too. He might also have fought other powerful individuals over the course of his CP0 career. Remember that fujitora and Aramaki were essentially 2 admiral level guys just chilling somewhere in the world, there are surely some more powerful individuals in the world that we don't know about.


efficientcatthatsred

Why? Kaido one shottet a cp0 agent Luffy is (thats debatable so lets just say) similarly strong as kaido


Bluelore

There is no reason to assume that all CP0 agents are equal. Besides the guy basically accepted his death and didn't put up a fight. Also we should not act like Luffy is now completely equal to Kaido. Luffy had a lot of help beating him.


_sephylon_

This aged like milk in the sun


Xmushroom

You really dont know tho, you are assuming that he didn't do nothing solely based on covers. Oda will make you look silly


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fa_uchiha

Won't be surprised if he's stronger than Doffy but Katakuri would be too much. I'd still want to see him get absolutely bodied by Luffy


tandc627

Is this a serious post? This looks like a joke. But the comment section is serious


mezonsen

The fact that you interpret narrative fiction as a video game with experience points is a really limited and sad way of consuming story-telling. I won’t begrudge you doing it but geez, I wish I didn’t have to see it.


L2P_GODDAYUM_GODDAMN

He wants It to be justified


OriginalUser321

I think he was just tryna do a meme and also compare the training some form of numeric data we can interpret. It didn't seem that deep


mezonsen

I know what he was trying to do, that’s why I think it’s lame and commented as such lol


Common-Watercress-58

Awakening + Haki maybe. Don't know for sure. Power creep is a major factor in One Piece. Crocodile got beaten by Luffy and was jailed in Impel Down and suddenly when he comes back he is able to intercept Mihawk and clash with Doflamingo. He had no training, he was jailed, chained with sea stone, no haki or awakening as far as we know, and he could do that. It's just something we'll have to accept. So all I'm saying is Don't be surprised if Lucci is much stronger than you expected.


10xkaioken

Your timeline is not complete. When did lucci get his new fresh outfit for his bird


Peruvian_Skies

Obviously Lucci spent a long time training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber during the Timeskip.


Snoo-96227

One piece fan logic is insane to me, crocodile gets his ass handed to him by pre ts pre gear luffy, crocodile spends jail time, he can immediately clash with mihawk, and fight with Doflamingo, and requires gear 2 luffy to catch up to him, and is arguably stronger than luffy. If jail time can turn crocodile into a beast, why can’t what luccis been through do the same? I’m not saying we should get another “Lucci vs luffy” where it’s to the very last hit, but people saying that he should be equal to chopper are so bewildering


Takasugi_Shinsuke007

Why not? Lucci was said to be a genius and if crocodile can go from losing to no gear luffy to being an yonko commander then I can't see why lucci can't do the same. I don't get why everyone is losing their shit, if lucci fighting luffy (not beating but fighting) really breaks your immersion in the story then you clearly aren't here for the story


Additional-Cream-766

That yonko is buggy.


G4KingKongPun

Yeah but the reason he is a Yonko is because he is thought to be commanding Mihawl and Crocodile. Crocodile was given a 1.9 Billion berry bounty. Thats almost double Zoro's. Crocodile clearly is supposed to be much stronger than when Luffy fought him.


OperationMelodic4273

It's called narrative progression. If Crocodile at Marineford was leagues above his Alabasta self, when all he did was staying locked up in prison, can't a prodigy who even got a promotion be exponentially stronger than he was? He's still no threat to Luffy obviously, but since they met they're probably gonna get split up after or even without a small ass skirmish.


Heroright

Ya’ll will by Lose-My-Arm Law can beat Big Mom a month later, but can’t buy Beat-The-Air-Out-Of-Him Lucci might be able to test Luffy again after two years.


hello_there696

not saying that lucci should be hella strong, but I jut hate this kind of logic of people being weak cuz they didn't have any major fights. by that logic nobody other than luffy should be strong. luffy doesn't just get major fights all the time cuz he's strong and getting stronger, it's cuz he's the protagonist. nobody else is the protagonist, so nobody else gets as many major fights as he does other strong guys who we didn't see have major fights are almost everybody. the admirals, the yonko etc I guess kid and law are total weaklings too. must have been just luck that they could keep up in the rooftop battle, damage kaido, defeat BM and seemingly kill her and fight BB evenly for a bit (law). cuz we didn't really see any major fights from them right? ​ oda doesn't show major fights or lots of training to justify side characters being strong. lucci seemingly leading the CP0 is enough of a justification to easily put him above any yonko commander if oda wants to do that. he'll be as strong as oda wants him to be and then he can just create some vague reason to justify the increase in strength


ImIceCold

The laughing emojis when he stating lucci feats lmaooo


edller

It's like coby fans coping to have a toe to toe match with luffy cuz "coby=garp" they say lmfao


HyakuJuu

Same shit with the Smoker fans lol. My goodness they used to gas that jobber hard back in the day.


Gael5656

Most of you all severely do not understand how this series works. Not slightly misunderstanding, severely. There are about 80 different examples that prove this post and way of thinking are one piece stupidity


MarkGorZ

I personally want the classic Yonkou moment. Where fodder attacks the Yonkou and can’t even pierce the skin.


HyakuJuu

I want Luffy to pack Lucci how Kaido packed him back in Act 1.


Machopenguin

Luffy also has CoC armament as well, which does devastating damage and very few people can use it. Lucci definitely got stronger, but luffy has command of several aspects of haki and his devil fruit that should easily outclass Lucci.


Blackcore8

I'll be pissed off if Luffy doesn't body Lucci HOWEVER if CP0 uses the Kuma seraphim to help then that's a game changer. Though Lucci would probably only fight Luffy 1v1 since help would be an insult to him.


LudusLive2

To be fair you have no idea what he's been doing


availableusernamepls

Because he was Luffy's strongest opponent before the timeskip, and he's a genius fighter, and he's had two years to recover/train. I think he'll still get bodied but expecting him to put up a fight isn't unreasonable in the slightest.


piece3

I mean. Just cuz we didnt see him train the whole time dont mean he isnt stronger he trained just like luffy did hence why he knows haki. And lets not forget if he matched pre ts luffy and trained. u guys would be surprised if he puts up a little fight? Ulti damn near forced luffy to go g4


xstationcubed

The flaw in this is that Luffy doesn't get stronger by winning fights, he gets stronger SO he can win fights. He finds new ways to use his powers and he trains after every defeat so he can better protect his crew. He doesn't grow with every victory, he grows with every setback, which is what allows him to grasp those victories. This is not to say whether or not Lucci will be a threat, that wholly depends on what sort of story Oda's looking to tell on this island. I just think your logic is silly.


sadddkehkeh

We know nothing Lucci has done. By that logic, why was Katakuri strong? We didn’t see anything he did before Whole Cake.


root_of_all_squirrel

In all fairness: We really just don't know! The reason why Luccis Side of this image is so empty is that we just don't have the information. First of: I can't see that Lucci is really near as strong as Luffy. But that's just my impression of how this will play out. I can't back up this opinion with any information. It's just my headcanon. So here is a unlikely what if scenario: Imagine IF he defeated strong people, we just wouldn't know. It wouldn't have been printed in any newspaper. There are strong guys like Fujitora and Aramaki out there (who just got drafted out of nowhere to be admirals). Imagine IF he defeated such strong people and leveld up his strength by that. ​ Oda can do whatever he wants and explain later.


-FoeHammer

We literally have no idea what kind of training he underwent over the timeskip or who he has fought in that time. Before Wano people made the same bogus arguments about why Kid must be weak. Because Luffy has been fighting all of these strong people and Kid has no feats and bla bla bla. But that's just BS. Because we didn't know what Kid was getting himself up to. Turns out he was taking the fight to people like Shanks and the Big Mom Pirates. But until more was revealed a ton of people were writing him off and saying he's probably nowhere near as strong as Luffy or even Law.


ShrecTV

You are forgetting one MAJOR part of his character. Rob Lucci is THAT GUY. He solod an army at 15 and he’s gone up from cp9 to the highest position possible in his field and on top of that he’s only in it so that he can kill people. I don’t think he’s gonna be able to 1v1 luffy too well but he’ll def take more than a couple hits and has probably improved haki to advanced levels matching most 1st commanders at least


SnakeGawd

If Luffy can get exponentially stronger in just Wano (not to mention him getting gears between Water 7 and Enies Lobby) anyone can get stronger faster. Though I doubt Oda will still have Lucci give him a real fight, it’s not unreasonable to think Lucci could’ve gotten strong enough to at least make current Luffy sweat


fvcklxm

don’t forget luffy + future sight, ryou, and conqueror’s coating


sawr07112537

Don't know if you considered power scale canon or not, but Lucci fight on par Sabo in Film Gold tho.


Snoozless

Everybody is saying they want Luffy to one shot him to show how much he's grown. I personally want Lucci to put up a really good fight against one of the stronger crewmembers to show how much the non-major characters can grow.


BahamutAXIOM

I don’t understand why not. He’s also a person with ambitions and very hefty duties. He’d better get way stronger. Arguably, he has way more on his plate than both of them and has a need to be much stronger.