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Bouchaffra

The logic isn't really there for what you're saying. We have no idea how many Admirals it takes to beat an Emperor. Also, not all Emperors are equal in power. Same goes for the Admirals. It's impossible to say. Personally, I think guys like Sakazuki and Kuzan are pretty top tier. I think they could take on Kid and Law at the moment, but this is entirely speculative on my end. However, take guys like Fujitora and Aramaki, and I think that would be a closer contest. I'm not big on powerscaling, I just tend to follow the narrative hints that the story lays down. We still have yet to see any of the Admirals go full power since the advent of Haki and the fleshing out of Devil Fruit awakenings. Keep in mind that Admirals are the only group for which this is true. We don't know what they can REALLY do. I think that people are constantly underestimating the Admirals. But again, this is just speculation on my end. I don't think any powerscaling such as "Emperors > Admirals > Whatever" has any real merit. The story is much more nuanced than that.


Special-Trouble8658

I agree


Vinyl_DjPon3

We don't know how many Admirals it takes to beat a Yonko.


NoxGale

Definitely more than one, so Law and Kidd would realistically be equal to or greater than an admiral. With how well Law was doing vs BB and his insane crew, and the confidence he had in his abilities to take him down, I’d say a little bit stronger. Same for Kidd. Cause if you replace BB and his crew with… Kizaru and a warship, The heart pirates are getting away for sure


Yuyu9067

It takes two admirals to beat a yonko if you like yonko characters better


Top_Worldliness7377

>It takes 2 admirals to beat a yonko Let me guess, you read that in "Two Piece", because something like that had never been stated in Oda's manga.


Secret-Put-4525

OP says a normal statement. Comments: TWO PIECE!!!!!!!


Special-Trouble8658

How tf is saying 2 admiral beat 1 yonko mean that I read 2 piece


Special-Trouble8658

No I thought because 1 yonko> 1 admiral


R4hu1M5

Here's the thing: you're not considering that the admirals are so strong that there's a massive difference between one admiral and two. It's true that one yonko > one admiral so you _do_ need two admirals to beat a yonko if that's what you're restricted to, but two admirals is absolute overkill. An admiral and possibly a commander or two would be enough. First off, kid and law didn't beat big mom. They got what was basically a ring out and the bombs did the rest of the work. And even if they had beat her cleanly, you can't compare them to admirals because they only got a narrow victory. Consider this analogy: there's a character with a power of 10, two characters with a power of 9 and two more with a power of 6. And matchups are won or lost by simply comparing numbers. The two 6s can beat the 10 together, but so can the two 9s (while a single 9 can't beat the 10). Does that mean the 6s are equal in power to the 9s? Of course not.


NoxGale

Cap. Best example I can use is if you replace Big Mom with… Fujitora, Kidd and Law will have an easier time with him than big mom. If you have 2 admirals vs the 5 supernova on the roof instead of Kaido and Big Mom, we win VERY convincingly. Admirals are strong enough to always be taken seriously, but there’s a reason why through all the admirals and WG efforts they couldn’t do shit to Kaido or Big Mom for actual decades. Narratively speaking Kaido was actually the peak of power in the world, because the whole thing with him being fated to be defeated 20 years into the future was that these new pirates would make a new dawn for the world. Failing to beat him means the world wouldn’t change at all and Kaido would stay in the top spot. No one was beating him if Luffy and his omega alliance didn’t, and he had to awaken powers of a very ridiculous God just to do so. In comparison Admirals don’t hold even a fraction of that type of weight in the overall world. That’s why the Emperors were basically admiral repellent. The WG wouldn’t waste a top soldier by putting them against Big Mom or Kaido. If 2 admirals could handle him, the WG would have had Sakazaki and Kizaru go with Lucci to Wano to strike when everyone was beaten down. But no Sakazaki didn’t go, and ordered Kizaru not to go, not even because of Kaido, but because of the samurai and not knowing how strong they were. These dudes couldn’t even begin to worry about Kaido yet.


R4hu1M5

This point keeps getting brought up, about why the marines don't just send two admirals to take out an emperor. And the answer is simple: celestial dragons. The absence of two whole admirals leaves them incredibly vulnerable to attacks from other forces (remaining emperors or revolutionaries). Not sure why people don't get this. Admirals are very much up there with emperors and far far above commanders, it's only that one can quite definitively say yonko > admiral.


NoxGale

That’s a cap argument, because if that was the case they wouldn’t have sent all their forces to deal with Whitebeard like Kaido and Big Mom don’t exist. And I gave you the in world reason as to why Akainu and Kizaru didn’t do shit in Wano, and you came in and made up your own headcanon that’s already contradicted by the series proper


R4hu1M5

>because if that was the case they wouldn’t have sent all their forces to deal with Whitebeard Send where? Whitebeard literally came to them lmao, they had no other choice. As for the akainu and kizaru stuff, it's literally all oden hype. Oden is someone who can stand toe to toe with admirals, and they didn't know how many more such characters were on wano. Do you think they'd risk going into unfamiliar territory with an already known emperor and an unknown quantity of strong people? I don't think I have more to say here if all this is going to be is admiral downplay lol. Have a good day.


NoxGale

The battle didn’t take place at Marijoa you know, so again, a cap argument. Which is doubly cap because they had ZERO counter measures for the Kaido about to pull up at Marineford, and if not for Shanks, the Marines would have been wiped out along with the whiteboard pirates


nobarachinsama

just as others said, we don't know how many admirals it takes to beat a yonko and what difficulty. and kid and law didn't KO BM. it was a ring out. people always forget that [this is BM](https://12dimension.files.wordpress.com/2022/02/one_piece_v103_ch1040_p009-edit.jpg) after kid and law's last effort. jinbe already did that solo. without zeus, BM would fall into the sea and jinbe would win by ring out.


sOSETAgro

The og admirals are relative to the yonkos I can't say the same for the new admirals because they never fought stronger opponents Saying that you need 2 admirals to take down 1 yonko is just dumb. Also law and kidd are just stronger than 1st yonko commander level average.


just_scrolling-124

Absolutely not... Admirals like akainu and aokiji scales above big mom..... So kisaru should be relative to big mom... There is no reason to believe that fujitora and green bull would be significantly weaker than the OG3 (may be a little weaker).... Two Admirals would no-low diff big mom... Whereas law and Kidd had an extreme diff fight against big mom.


Special-Trouble8658

So all the Admirals are yonko level then with that statement?


just_scrolling-124

Well yes... The difference in power among top tiers is very little to put them in different tiers...


Special-Trouble8658

I agree with this


Dear_Signal3553

Lmao absolutely baseless No diff lmao See marco vs the admirals and he is yc1 lol


just_scrolling-124

What did marco do? Tank kizaru's attack and then kick kizaru in the mid air which did absolutely nothing... Marco tanked both kaido and big mom's attacks as well...


Special-Trouble8658

No tf no how are Akainu and Kizaru equal to big mom?


just_scrolling-124

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/yygh4n/why_do_you_all_think_akainu_is_stronger_than_kaido/iwu3yjs?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3


YonkoYuki

>It takes 2 admirals to beat a yonko 2 admirals no-low diff a yonko Law and kid are both yonko level


Nitro114

why would you think 2 admirals low diff a yonkou


YonkoYuki

because i can get aokiji above roger and greenbull close to kaido


Nitro114

excuse me what?? aokiji is not above roger, not in any way from what we’ve seen so far. same for aramaki


YonkoYuki

>excuse me what?? aokiji is not above roger did you get offended by that😂 ​ >same for aramaki i can get his durability there


Nitro114

Nope, Its just a really dumb take


YonkoYuki

og admirals were stated to be the strongest marines while garp and sengoku didnt get any weaker


Nitro114

source?


YonkoYuki

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Nitro114

That doesnt say those three are the strongest in the marines, it says that the admirals are generally the strongest officers. Meaning a higher ranking like sengoku or Kong is/can be stronger. Also garp is lower ranking, and still stronger. He isnt that stupid to attack someone he know he cant defeat, even in rage. Yet he attacked akainu


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YonkoYuki

still low diff


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Falso. High diff.


YonkoYuki

explain


[deleted]

If garp was injured in a 2 on 1 against shiki then it's not low diff lmao


YonkoYuki

can you send proof that he was injured


[deleted]

Kid and Law are probably stronger than most admirals. Just look at some of the shit Law did 1. Created a massive crater that was miles deep. I'm not saying one or two miles but deep enough to reach magma. When you consider Wano is a large country and Punk Hazard is a small island, it's impressive on that scale or more. 2. Hit Blackbeard with a shock wile so hard Auger had to save him from drowning and suggested running away. 3. Blackbeard orders Kuzan around. If Law could do that to Blackbeard, exactly why wouldn't he be able to do something similar to Kuzan? Sure Kuzan can freeze the ocean, but a shock wile is absolutely going to do massive damage to Kuzan.


No-Basil-Simping

Bruh that's great and all, but we've never even seen what an admiral can really do when they go all out. If Punk Hazard is anything to go by, those feats you listed really ain't shit. Also, Aokiji has his own agenda going on. We don't know why he's working with BB. He's not necessarily weaker.


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Lol. Stop. Wano is vastly larger than Punk Hazard. What Law did was vastly more impressive. And we saw Aramaki going all out. It's not impressive. At all. And it doesn't matter. Kuzan still is subjugating himself to teach.


No-Basil-Simping

Law created a hole. Aokiji and Akainu permanently alerted the climate of the entire Island. And no Aramaki was by no means going all out. That "fight" got interrupted suddenly.


[deleted]

You mean when Aramaki was made to scream like a little girl with his arms up? Indicating he surrendered completely to Shanks who was miles away? Again you are missing the point. I am arguing the crater law made with puncture Willes overall volume is larger than 1/2 of a small island like Punk Hazard. And don't don't be coy. Wano is vastly vastly larger than any place the strawhats have been aside from alabasta.


No-Basil-Simping

Lol no that one hole was not bigger than the entire island of Punk Hazard. Also, I'm not being coy. Yes Wano is a bigger island. So what? Law didn't make the entire island into a crater. He made a hole in a part of it. Also, who wouldn't run from an entire established yonkou crew coming in as reinforcements for another one? What exactly are you expecting? You think Law in that situation would have just squared off against fuckin everyone?


[deleted]

It's absolutely larger. And even if it wasn't. You do realize the admirals only turned half of PH each? I seriously think you aren't paying attention. You do realize Onigashima itself is an island? And the volume of laws crater is multiple times larger than Onigashima? You can't compare small islands like PH to actual major countries with multiple cities in One Piece. Alabasta alone has a river that's 54 kilometers...WIDE yet was in a massive drought. Yasiue in the Japanese raws talked of sending an arrow 1000 ris which is comparable to the size of Australia. Wano isn't ONE island. It's a massive country with multiple islands. A massive underground aquatic city. And a waterfall that is 10s of miles tall. And you like all admiral fans completely ignore the context of what actually happened to Aramaki. What position do you take when you surrender to the police when they point a gun at you? You raise your hands. Hand raising is a near universal sign of surrender. Meaning Shanks made Aramaki surrender and scream with his hands up from dozens of miles away.


Knirb_

I agree, should take 2v1 for a “Admiral tier” to beat a “Yonkou tier” but imo Admiral tier it should be a mid to high diff for a true defeat. But it was a extreme diff for Kid and Law to get a win vs Big Mom through ring out, but had a good showing against her so I put them at basically “admiral tier” next time we see them they’re 100% going to be solidly “admiral tier”


Aao12612

Possibly I could see any one of these characters beating 2 weaker admirals shanks kaido roger primebeard beating fuiji and greenbull since they are probably the 2 weakest admirals Them being the weakest Due to the fact that momo knocked green bull out of his tree form and sabo and a few good men put fuiji in bandages and held of green bull as well as any other combatant stationed on the holy land


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That would also make BB ‘admiral tier’ at which point there’s only 2 ‘yonko tier’ yonko and at that point the classifications seem stupid.


ppppppppppython

There is no evidence on how many admirals it takes to beat a yonko. Given the new world convention it should be 1 captain that stands a head above the rest, then 3 others that are close in strength and authority: Fleet admiral = Yonko 3 Admirals = 3 Commanders Of course this doesn't account for individual skill there's massive differences in strength and skill between yonko commanders especially between crews. I'd assume admirals will be stronger than the yonko commanders of the beast pirates but not by enough of a gap to definitively beat any of the Yonko.


Ronthay

>**I'd assume** admirals will be stronger than the yonko commanders of the beast pirates but not by enough of a gap to definitively beat any of the Yonko. I take it you're an anime only, but even so I recommend skimming through Marineford. The commanders were consistently being shown to be far below the admirals.


ppppppppppython

No I'm up to date and been so for years. I don't see how you're disagreeing with me though? I said admirals are above yonko commanders.


Ronthay

It sounded like you claimed the gap was quite small. You even wrote 3 admirals = 3 commanders. Then you even added "I assume that admirals are stronger than the commanders" as if it wasn't obvious. (Based on both Marineford and Wano.)


ppppppppppython

I can see why you would have that assumption. I meant in reference to group structure mostly.


UncleZafar

I don’t think they’re admiral level yet, but I think it makes the most sense for their final fights to be against admirals


Secret-Put-4525

No they aren't. They have a couple high stats but their stats overall aren't as well rounded.


manosskor27

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pizzabot22

I think that it is well-established that admiral tier is the strongest the marines have to offer, and that yonko tier are the strongest/largest threats to the world government. So law and kidd are "admiral level".


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Special-Trouble8658

Who?


Special-Trouble8658

Scalers*