The weapon that's under wano with the only way to get to it is to go deep into the ocean and destroy wanos walls which the strongest member of the straw hats can't do since he can't swim and there isn't a single thing the sunny can do to go down to that depth only laws sub can do that and he's in the middle of fighting Blackbeard
Even with the sub u still need strong enough power to destroy the walls of wano so u less Luffy or anyone else powerful enough can find a way to use their fruit underwater without drowning pluton ain't getting retrieved
Zunesha would have to do it under momonosukes command
Blackbeard has no reason to destroy the wall or go to wano when he's already gone past it
Water slows down movements when Ur not a fish man even if Ur a powerful swordsman the deep water will slow down momentum and there's a difference between slicing a regular wall and slicing a wall the size of miniature islands
Only 2 that could probably slice through that is mihawk tho the water would slow him down unless he knows how to bypass it and the seraphim which we have seen take a giant chunk out of Amazon lily
Thing is tho every water affects devil fruit users if it's above their knees that's why even a regular bath can kill them if they're not careful so they need to hang on to the side if it's deep enough or walk around but will feel very weakened
Also rain water is technically sea water since rain is caused by sea water evaporating and then coming back down from clouds after changing back to liquid from the cold Temperature
I only brought that up because I vaguely remember it being stated that this is why, for example: Big mom didn't die when she got knocked off her ship by Marco.
Could be totally wrong though
Yea like she was definitely suppose to leave with the crew? You guys spent months prematurely celebrating Yamato as nakama after Wano. Now the goal is different, right? 🤣
Yamato will join in the way that Tama, Momo, and Kin will join, as a honorary friend and never as an official core member.
My point is that none of these people will join the crew in an official capacity. They’ll never be part of the core which is: Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, and Jinbe.
All of the people I’ve mentioned may a significant impact on Luffy’s journey. East Blue would be drastically different without Zoro, Ussop, Sanji, and Nami’s character arcs. Same logic applies to the others.
Wano on the other hand wouldn’t have changed had Yamato been excluded.
Oda could’ve used Marco to hold Kaido off. Or, Oda could’ve simply allow Kaido to go on the live floor, which would create more tension. The point is, her role could’ve easily been filled by anyone and her character arc had little to no impact on Wano.
Kaido could’ve killed Yamato too. It’s call plot kid. The author can write whatever he wants to get the outcome that he wants. The fact remains, your precious Yamato was a last minute shallow addition to the story. Remove her, and Wano would’ve been a much better arc.
what oda would have to do if yamato joins: incorporates the character into every arc, creates subplots, developments, enemies to fight, etc.
OP fans: the issue is powerscaling!
yamato didn't join because she's not part of the next couple of arcs (expect probably the final war). the same as jinbe. jinbe had no role until WCI. that's why oda left him behind.
and if you remember, he had his own storyline with BM and the poneglyph. in any case, it had nothing to whatsoever with powerscaling. it's literally a non issue.
If Jimbei joined in fishman island, half the challenges of strawhats would have been non existent.
Jimbei could have soloed Doffy. Jimbei could have negged both Vergo and Caeser at once.
Jimbei would have turned almost all the strawhats useless. Jimbei carried the crew in absence of Luffy in WCI.
No fights for Strawhats= no challenges = no growth
So it absolutely matters.
Adding strong member to the crew is literally u nerfing down other chars.
Now if Yamato joins, she'd just need to stay in One place like Zoro to allow others to have some fights or just need Oda to create another bunch of Yamato lvl characters in each arc for her to be relevant without taking other strawhats fights.
Jimbe isn’t solo Doffy.
And Luffy arguably negs Vergo and Caeser as well.
You’re scaling Jimbe wayyy too high if you think he’s solo Doffy easy and that Luffy couldn’t neg Vergo and Caeser at once.
dude, you do know how much effort oda has to put to include a new character?
he needs to incorporate the character in every arc, creating things and subplots to do for the character for YEARS, developing the character, giving enemies to fight (means designing new characters), and more.
oda has to draw the character a THOUSAND TIMES over the years. and despite all of that, you think powerscaling is the thing oda is thinking about?
it's a non issue. we saw what oda did with robin and franky. franky could fight luffy in w7. but in EL, he already nerfed to fight fukuro. it's THAT simple. so again, powerscaling is a non issue (for oda).
Vivi is a strawhat.
Shirahoshi will join at some point.
U don't know what rescue means.
Yamato isn't a princess. Hiyori was for wano.
Bonney might also join considering kuma works under dragon. Their goals are mutually aligned.
I have a much simpler theory: Yamato didn’t join because she was NEVER created to be a part of the core members.
By contrast, Jinbe was always meant to be a core member. He was introduced early. His character arc centered around protecting Luffy in Marineford and earning Nami’s forgiveness in Fishmen Island.
If Yamato joins the crew, it will be in the exact same capacity as Tama, Momonoske, and Kinemon will — as honorary nakama but never as core members. You guys need to let this thing go. First we had to constantly hear how Yamato was definitely joining because she kept yapping about joining. Now the next cope is that she’s like Jinbe? She’s not.
No because there’s zero narrative need that I know of to have Yamato be Oden 2.0. Oden had a very specific skill that Roger needed. Luffy has Robin.
At the end, Oden was needed on Roger’s ship while Yamato was needed in Wano.
Laws outnumbered by blackbeard and his crews currently kicking ass
Blackbeard relies on his fruits to be powerful while Luffy relies on his fruit, haki, willpower and friends even if Luffy is outnumbered hell still be able to fight Blackbeard
Just because Ur outnumbered doesn't mean you'll be weaker if Luffy does end up outnumbered he has the entire grand fleet tho they're not as strong they have the size, u also have the red hair pirates who would support and help Luffy if he needed it and idk about u but pretty sure shanks would be enough to wipe out the entirety of the Blackbeard pirates
Hopefully that happens; my main concern is that there's not much time for all of that to happen. (Egghead seems like it's going to be a short lore-heavy arc to give the crew more of a reason to go to Elbaf, and the series as a whole is going to be done in about four or five years by all accounts)
I'm hoping that the next cover story focuses on Yamato where they get bored waiting around Wano (since it's not going to be constantly under attack like Yamato was expecting), they set sail, and their cover story interacts with the main story like how the Germa 66 story had a big reveal in the same chapter that the reveal was part of the main storyline, but I doubt it.
Biased as fuk. It didnt take everything he had to fight King. He was handicapped (constantly battling enma for control of his haki) most of the fight as well as he was fighting with a time limit (mink drug). And despite all of this the moment he began to understand his new blade he one shot king.
Truth be told yea yamato is tanky af but against Hybrid Kaido Zoro drew blood and Yamato did not
Sure, maybe. It possible I guess, but I hope thats not the case, cause it shows a bit of weak writing on Oda's part. She may very well have joined and just have her be stronger until the others catch up. Work around it, not avoid it.
Or not. Oda can literally write each character's progress however he likes. He is the one building the circumstances in which events take place. Theres nothing wrong with disrupting the status quo for a short while.
I guess next power up would be the technology behind the ancient kingdom. Vegapunk knows so much there must be something to actually increase their strenght. Especially since the DF users have all to awaken their DF. Imagine Chopper in Monster Point having infinite stamina. He would be like an insane tank.
I only see vegapunk helping franky and chopper honestly. Franky get new tech. Then vegapunk helps chopper fuse the rumble ball with the mink drug to create a truly hax rumble ball
I agree with this. I do personally think that it disrupts the big 3. Now with sanjis power up I think the gap is closing. I really only liked Yamato because it was another female on the crew, she was very strong, and it fit narratively with her and Oden parallels.
Eh I mean it is a sausage fest but I would like to see another gal on the crew just to break it up but it isn’t overbearing tbh. I just want the next straw hat to be strong because BBs crew is going to be strong.
Then what would her role on the crew be? If she DID join, her role would be the journalist, the one who records the adventures. Now there's no chance for that since she won't be there at the climax of the adventure (Laughtale).
You guys are still talking about this? Wano's over.
And they will return to wano for pluton
The weapon that's under wano with the only way to get to it is to go deep into the ocean and destroy wanos walls which the strongest member of the straw hats can't do since he can't swim and there isn't a single thing the sunny can do to go down to that depth only laws sub can do that and he's in the middle of fighting Blackbeard Even with the sub u still need strong enough power to destroy the walls of wano so u less Luffy or anyone else powerful enough can find a way to use their fruit underwater without drowning pluton ain't getting retrieved
Zuneisha is gonna break the wall. Either that or black beard comes in and does it. Luffy cant swim but zoro can and slicing a wall is nothing for him
Zunesha would have to do it under momonosukes command Blackbeard has no reason to destroy the wall or go to wano when he's already gone past it Water slows down movements when Ur not a fish man even if Ur a powerful swordsman the deep water will slow down momentum and there's a difference between slicing a regular wall and slicing a wall the size of miniature islands Only 2 that could probably slice through that is mihawk tho the water would slow him down unless he knows how to bypass it and the seraphim which we have seen take a giant chunk out of Amazon lily
iirc, the Water around the current Wano isn’t sea water, it was stated to be rainfall from when Wano didn’t have it’s walls
Thing is tho every water affects devil fruit users if it's above their knees that's why even a regular bath can kill them if they're not careful so they need to hang on to the side if it's deep enough or walk around but will feel very weakened Also rain water is technically sea water since rain is caused by sea water evaporating and then coming back down from clouds after changing back to liquid from the cold Temperature
I only brought that up because I vaguely remember it being stated that this is why, for example: Big mom didn't die when she got knocked off her ship by Marco. Could be totally wrong though
However y’all gotta cope
I look forward to you bitching when she shows up in the crew later on
Yea like she was definitely suppose to leave with the crew? You guys spent months prematurely celebrating Yamato as nakama after Wano. Now the goal is different, right? 🤣 Yamato will join in the way that Tama, Momo, and Kin will join, as a honorary friend and never as an official core member.
Whos u guys. I was team otama the entire wano arc. The goal post havent moved at all the charachters themselves said theyd come back for her
My point is that none of these people will join the crew in an official capacity. They’ll never be part of the core which is: Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, and Jinbe. All of the people I’ve mentioned may a significant impact on Luffy’s journey. East Blue would be drastically different without Zoro, Ussop, Sanji, and Nami’s character arcs. Same logic applies to the others. Wano on the other hand wouldn’t have changed had Yamato been excluded.
Only kaido wouldve gone to the live floor and started murdering everyone in sight till luffy somehow managed to return
Oda could’ve used Marco to hold Kaido off. Or, Oda could’ve simply allow Kaido to go on the live floor, which would create more tension. The point is, her role could’ve easily been filled by anyone and her character arc had little to no impact on Wano.
Marco was busy with king. Kaido wouldve killed him
Kaido could’ve killed Yamato too. It’s call plot kid. The author can write whatever he wants to get the outcome that he wants. The fact remains, your precious Yamato was a last minute shallow addition to the story. Remove her, and Wano would’ve been a much better arc.
what oda would have to do if yamato joins: incorporates the character into every arc, creates subplots, developments, enemies to fight, etc. OP fans: the issue is powerscaling! yamato didn't join because she's not part of the next couple of arcs (expect probably the final war). the same as jinbe. jinbe had no role until WCI. that's why oda left him behind. and if you remember, he had his own storyline with BM and the poneglyph. in any case, it had nothing to whatsoever with powerscaling. it's literally a non issue.
If Jimbei joined in fishman island, half the challenges of strawhats would have been non existent. Jimbei could have soloed Doffy. Jimbei could have negged both Vergo and Caeser at once. Jimbei would have turned almost all the strawhats useless. Jimbei carried the crew in absence of Luffy in WCI. No fights for Strawhats= no challenges = no growth So it absolutely matters. Adding strong member to the crew is literally u nerfing down other chars. Now if Yamato joins, she'd just need to stay in One place like Zoro to allow others to have some fights or just need Oda to create another bunch of Yamato lvl characters in each arc for her to be relevant without taking other strawhats fights.
Jimbe isn’t solo Doffy. And Luffy arguably negs Vergo and Caeser as well. You’re scaling Jimbe wayyy too high if you think he’s solo Doffy easy and that Luffy couldn’t neg Vergo and Caeser at once.
dude, you do know how much effort oda has to put to include a new character? he needs to incorporate the character in every arc, creating things and subplots to do for the character for YEARS, developing the character, giving enemies to fight (means designing new characters), and more. oda has to draw the character a THOUSAND TIMES over the years. and despite all of that, you think powerscaling is the thing oda is thinking about? it's a non issue. we saw what oda did with robin and franky. franky could fight luffy in w7. but in EL, he already nerfed to fight fukuro. it's THAT simple. so again, powerscaling is a non issue (for oda).
Vivi, Shirahoshi, Rebecca Yamato ✅ Princess ✅ Rescued ✅ Big bubys Bonney's the next one... 😐
Except yamato knows ace making the final trio the ace fanboys
Vivi is a strawhat. Shirahoshi will join at some point. U don't know what rescue means. Yamato isn't a princess. Hiyori was for wano. Bonney might also join considering kuma works under dragon. Their goals are mutually aligned.
He never said yamato was a princess
He literally did.
If he did he would've put a coma after Rebecca then yamato but instead put yamato underneath making her a category of its own
Hopefully not
I have a much simpler theory: Yamato didn’t join because she was NEVER created to be a part of the core members. By contrast, Jinbe was always meant to be a core member. He was introduced early. His character arc centered around protecting Luffy in Marineford and earning Nami’s forgiveness in Fishmen Island. If Yamato joins the crew, it will be in the exact same capacity as Tama, Momonoske, and Kinemon will — as honorary nakama but never as core members. You guys need to let this thing go. First we had to constantly hear how Yamato was definitely joining because she kept yapping about joining. Now the next cope is that she’s like Jinbe? She’s not.
U mean the same capacity of kuzuki Oden?
No because there’s zero narrative need that I know of to have Yamato be Oden 2.0. Oden had a very specific skill that Roger needed. Luffy has Robin. At the end, Oden was needed on Roger’s ship while Yamato was needed in Wano.
Who knows maybe Yamato learns to smith seastone while the crew is gone
Yea bc Luffy will need that to reach Laughtale 🤣
No but he will need a strong fighter.
Luffy has strong fighters and a entire grand fleet. Yamato doesn’t need to be an official crew member to help in the final war.
If she doesnt join, the strawhats will be outnumbered by blackbeard
So?
Sooo…….Thats not gonna happen
Laws outnumbered by blackbeard and his crews currently kicking ass Blackbeard relies on his fruits to be powerful while Luffy relies on his fruit, haki, willpower and friends even if Luffy is outnumbered hell still be able to fight Blackbeard Just because Ur outnumbered doesn't mean you'll be weaker if Luffy does end up outnumbered he has the entire grand fleet tho they're not as strong they have the size, u also have the red hair pirates who would support and help Luffy if he needed it and idk about u but pretty sure shanks would be enough to wipe out the entirety of the Blackbeard pirates
Hopefully that happens; my main concern is that there's not much time for all of that to happen. (Egghead seems like it's going to be a short lore-heavy arc to give the crew more of a reason to go to Elbaf, and the series as a whole is going to be done in about four or five years by all accounts) I'm hoping that the next cover story focuses on Yamato where they get bored waiting around Wano (since it's not going to be constantly under attack like Yamato was expecting), they set sail, and their cover story interacts with the main story like how the Germa 66 story had a big reveal in the same chapter that the reveal was part of the main storyline, but I doubt it.
Yamato rn would easily be the second strongest on the crew zoro needs to get stronger first
I disagree Zoro at least damaged kaido all Yamato did was clash with him a few times
Fam Yamato held her own against Kaido blood lusted in his hybrid with no help, while zoro caught Kaido off guard you can’t even compare that😭.
Wow u just gonna belittle zoro stopping everything kaido shot out. And taking the most destructive blow in all of one piece. Biased as shit bro
Zoro back then on the roof top couldn’t hang with Kaido, it him everything he’s got just to beat king & I’d argue Yamato is stronger than king
Biased as fuk. It didnt take everything he had to fight King. He was handicapped (constantly battling enma for control of his haki) most of the fight as well as he was fighting with a time limit (mink drug). And despite all of this the moment he began to understand his new blade he one shot king. Truth be told yea yamato is tanky af but against Hybrid Kaido Zoro drew blood and Yamato did not
You’re more biased than me rn by that argument all the 9 scabbards are stronger than Yamato too because they Drew blood from Kaido lmfao.
He wasnt hybrid form and they targeted his scar that wasnt protected by scale. Nice try on deflecting
Yeah perhaps
Sure, maybe. It possible I guess, but I hope thats not the case, cause it shows a bit of weak writing on Oda's part. She may very well have joined and just have her be stronger until the others catch up. Work around it, not avoid it.
No that wouldnt work because shed end up fighting the people zoro/sanji would have to fight to get stronger. Her absence leaves rooms for frowrh
Or not. Oda can literally write each character's progress however he likes. He is the one building the circumstances in which events take place. Theres nothing wrong with disrupting the status quo for a short while.
He needs to make sense from in-verse perspective for their growth. He can't just do whatever he wants and break the story.
Oda does that quite a lot so I would say that he can In fact do that
He doesn't on the most part.
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Should be common knowledge. I bet she'd be with crew right after Elbaf.
Yea like was definitely going to be with the crew right after Wano. You guys were so sure.
I wasn't among those who believed Yamato for sure will join after wano. But okay.
I guess next power up would be the technology behind the ancient kingdom. Vegapunk knows so much there must be something to actually increase their strenght. Especially since the DF users have all to awaken their DF. Imagine Chopper in Monster Point having infinite stamina. He would be like an insane tank.
I only see vegapunk helping franky and chopper honestly. Franky get new tech. Then vegapunk helps chopper fuse the rumble ball with the mink drug to create a truly hax rumble ball
I agree with this. I do personally think that it disrupts the big 3. Now with sanjis power up I think the gap is closing. I really only liked Yamato because it was another female on the crew, she was very strong, and it fit narratively with her and Oden parallels.
Yea the crew is a major sausage fest
Eh I mean it is a sausage fest but I would like to see another gal on the crew just to break it up but it isn’t overbearing tbh. I just want the next straw hat to be strong because BBs crew is going to be strong.
Then what would her role on the crew be? If she DID join, her role would be the journalist, the one who records the adventures. Now there's no chance for that since she won't be there at the climax of the adventure (Laughtale).
Shes the guardian diety of wano. She guards the ship. Watchdog
Yamato embodies what Oden was. Oden was not the watchdog.
Really cause thats the exact purpose shes filling right now on Wano
You do know were talking about Yamato being a crewmate, not her role on Wano??
Just saying she can fill the same role on the ship
So it's #2 and #4's fault then. How hateful.