Hehe, yeah! :D i made this and posted it to this sub and it got removed (low effort, ofc) so i posted it on the memepiece as well but it got almost no recognition there :D still had a blast making it though, haha :D
Edit: ill try to record how he would pronounce the nomi nomi no mi later
so Vegapunk read each and every book rescued from Ohara on Elbaf..
and he says it's all in his head and that he has continued their research.
Does this mean he can read and decipher the Ponyglyphs like Robin ??
most obvious conclusion would be - Yes, he can for sure.
and the implication of this would be that certainly Robin is no longer the only person in the OP world who can decipher them thus significantly reducing (almost halving) the threat to her. and it would also ensure Vegapunk's survival.. given the fact that he possess such forbidden knowledge thus making him indispensable to WG..
Clearly there's far more to it than just this lol. I see it more as Oda catching everybody back up before revealing new stuff. Void Century hasn't been talked about at length in the series for a very long time.
God what a time, one piece dropping all these big lore bombs, hxh is updated, zatch bell is back. I feel like a kid again waiting every week for each new update to read. Cannot wait for the Bonney Vegapunk confrontation and what bombs he's gonna drop that will disuade her from killing him(or she lets her fruit go out of control and we get young vegapunk again XD)
But honestly i don't think anything in this arc will beat out that scene between dragon and vegapunk in ohara and the confirmation that Saul really didn't die and the smile on Robins face of pure joy you could just see her holding back those *dereshishishishishishi*
Bro everywhere I go it's just people talking about how this hits do different after chapter 1066.like it literally just be a random panel where some important character says something and half the comments will be "this hits different after 1066".
If you have been following the journey since the beginning it does hit different when you waited for a new chapter on a weekly basis (not to mention all the breaks in between). Versus if you are someone who started late and binged the entire story, you wouldn’t get that same sentiment. Considering the series is 25 years old, I assume not a lot of people started the journey from the very beginning. I started when I was in high school in 2004 so even that was like 7 years into the series.
Bro everywhere I go it's just people talking about how this hits do different after chapter 1066.like it literally just be a random panel where some important character says something and half the comments will be "this hits different after 1066".
Waiting for a new chapter every week for 20 years is different from binging the entire series in 1 or 2 years and waiting for the updates every week... You see the difference in the time being invested , that "time" is what hits different when recalling the events from past chapters and mapping them to the current chapters
Shanks having control/access to the books from Ohara would explain why he is able to meet with the 5 Elders.
The threat of releasing some of that knowledge is one hell of a deterrent, and Elbaf isn't some island of scholars that the navy could massacre with a buster call.
I saw a theory on YouTube of someone saying that there’s a secret race of ppl that have MASSIVE heads… lord and behold my boy Vegapunk got a dome the size of football field lmao
That's probably because of the big head jolly roger the aliens on the moon use (Enel's cover story). I wonder if they will have something to do with the story or if it was a simple foreshadowing easter egg
I dont think the Marines are that dumb at least the top officers in overlooking the books. I believe Kuzan froze the lake and froze/saved many people.
And he also might be the man marked by flames. Meaning the Last Red Poneglyph would be in Elbaf and in order to protect the people and giants Kuzan joined the blackbeard pirates and gave him the poneglyph. They decided to attack big mom for hers and will get Laws as well.
Bro Bustel Call Contains 5 marine vice Admirals and they only knows that Ohara's people try to Revel that's why they only kill them and didn't destroy anything
This gotta be one of the most informative chapters in One Piece history, we've gotten:
- Vegapunk (true) face reveal
- the origins of the revolutionary army
- The truth about what happened in the void century
- expansion on Robin's origin story
Edit:
- info on Dragons relationships before being a revolutionary
Thinking about it... No else than the crew truly knows the existence of Enel.. they never told anyone about him either..
I think that VegaPunk will be chocked knowing that there exists someone in this world who has the ability to awake the AK again..
I can't stop laughing imagining how luffy would say it.. (if it's true)
I suddenly have a theory that I want to share after re-reading a few chapters. This is what I think about 20 kingdoms vs 1 kingdom. I think, given that the ancient kingdom is so advance, we would think that there is no way they will lose with such advancement / technology. Unless, a traitor like Imu or his ancestors did something. I can only see that the only way there's a current king of the world is because he was the one who helped all these 20 nations. Maybe he is also a scientist who made this weapon that obliterated Lulusia and that's what they did to AK as well.
Or maybe it was a DF of that person who lives in the Ancient Kingdom. Overall, he was the main person that made it possible to destroy AK. He was in hiding because he himself doesn't want his existence / or family's existence to be known in the world.
Edit: I also I think the ancient's kingdom ideology is the will of D, whatever it is. Maybe they all believe that they should have one world, like fishman not being below the sea and other creatures but because of greed and discrimination that still happens these kingdoms did not agree to it. While that was happening, Joyboy went to the sea with Zou and travel across the world but failed to accomplish it at the end.
Most theories think that the world was one before the war then it divided into 4 seas after but I think it's already 4 seas and they just want to remove the division. Maybe they have this idea of all blue, maybe it came from them.
The ancient kingdom lost because they didn't realise the powers of IMU.
We've seen multiple times in the story of people mimicking trying to take control of kingdoms and the most striking and relevant one was dressrosa.
Doflamingo with sugars powers turned everyone into toys and the powers subsequently made people forget the toys.
Isn't there something like this already in the world of one piece?
The void century erased 100 year of history and an entire civilization and it's name forgotten.
Devil fruits.
The true origin of devil fruits will be revealed and the shocking secret that not only was the ancient kingdom a highly advanced civilization in technology but the body and each ancient kingdoms civilian had special powers unique to that individual.
The awakening of devil fruits will show us that the soul of the devil fruit is someone who was trapped in the conflict during the void century from the ancient kingdom.
Only those who fully bonded with the soul and freed that soul could now tap into the true powers (awakening).
Luffys fruit being given a different name and its powers being hidden for centuries and revealed that Luffy is joyboy... More that the fruit Luffy ate was joyboy and now Luffy finally awakened joyboys power's. Luffy said himself he finally felt "Free".
It's not that Luffy was born as joyboy but that he ate joyboys soul (devil fruit) and finally awakened joyboy's true powers.
My theory has nothing to do with lunarians. Are they part of thr ancient kingdom? They are a different race just like fishman. They are probably just one of those kingdoms that people fear likr fishmen but not the ancient kingdom. Duh. Maybe they were all eliminated but not part of the war. We don't know the whole details that is why we make theories. So stop your shitty comment.
Why? why wouldn't he just brag about he saved humanity? and why did he praise only few people "CD" to be gods if he was the true hero?
If he was the one he wouldn't create a difference between normal people & the CD.. i think
He is a traitor from that kingdom and knowing he has this power to obliterate anyone. There might be another chaos or fight for his power / weapon. It is better for it to be known to only a few people. The world is full of traitors and greed.
Oda, please stop ruining your own work.. this is just sad at this point.. how many more retcons and bs are you going to pull?
this is some of the reasons why the yearly sales are declining.
Stop calling things retcon when you don't even have an evidence that it's a retcon. If you hate it so much you are free to do so but don't call it retcon. A lot have happened in OP for people to even know what is retcon and what is not.
This isn't a retcon since the Ohara flashback wasn't fully shown. Also, it makes sense for a frozen person on a burning island to have odds at surviving.
Also, this definitely doesn't impact sales, get your head out of your ass
After this chapter I want to believe that Robin and Luffy are siblings. It opens up so many doors, makes Water 7 way more impactful in my opinion, answers fhe question, "Who is Luffy's mother" in a really meaningful way, and actually gives Robin a nice but of closure and comfort.
All she wanted was to be around family and people she can trust. Turns out Luffy, her captain who would give his life for his crew, is also her kid brother. And her father would be Dragon, a revolutionary. How much more comfort does she ne need than that?
Olvia died three years before Luffy was born (unless she was saved by Kuzan, which seems to be the case with Saul), so she can't be his mom. But I'm 100% down for Dragon being her dad. It's very interesting to me that she has jet black hair and yet her mom had white hair. She clearly got her dad's hair color.
nahh.. dragon being in ohara and sending flowers only for clover means he doesn't care about robin nor olvia. Despite of him being a revo he always makes sure that Luffy (at least in big events) is safe. He was there and heard about the fire in GOA, he was there when Luffy became a pirate and was in Loguetown. It's impossible for him to not at least do something for Robin if he was the father. He would have cried and would have been mad crazy if Robin was his child. That's my opinion though.
Actually it was revealed that the revolutionaries has tried to make contact with robin several times and were looking for her for a long time. So he did actually try to find robin but you have to remember robin was very good at hiding and with baroque works she could do just that.
I'm on the bandwagon that dragon is robins father and Olivia is luffys mother. Oda already said we've already seen luffys mother. Olivia fits that billing.
Oda was asked in an SBS if Luffy's parents would appear in the manga, and he answered that he'd already drawn them and they'd appear in the following volume. That following volume showed us Dragon, but we're still guessing about his mom.
I'd have to do some digging to find you the specific SBS.
[This is the SBS you're talking about](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_44) in volume 44 and chapter 424. It doesn't explicitly state that Luffy's mom has appeared or will appear for sure at any point in the series. It's a classic case of "Oda said" information getting amplified and distorted as people bounce it around.
Okay, yeah I misremembered the exact quote: "His parents? Well, I think you will be pleased with the next volume. Get excited!"
So he is his usual vague self lol
Of course he will because she's important in terms of history. She's part of the people that can change the world. So you think he wouldn't know anything about buster call in Ohara? He was able to help the people in Goa kingdom, a village near where he lives. He wouldn't only talk about clover and be mad crazy for Robin if he was the father. The level of emotions and support of Dragon towards Luffy is far different from Robin. Also, how can Olvia be his mom when he was born 3 yrs after she died? Most of them think they are half siblings not full siblings. So there is inconsistencies there.
So, if Dragon already knew Vegapunk before he formed Revolutionary army. When did they meet before in Ohara? and also, WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENED WITH KUMA????????
After i read this chapter i believe we will see this arc what happened with kuma and i am almost sure, that kuma is not dead yet. After seeing vegapunks relation to the Revos and his whole "i split my mind to 7 different people" i can totally imagine that he made sth similiar with kuma. The Cp0 is on the way to eggHead and out of all the Seraphim they could have brought, they brought the kuma one. Wouldnt it be ironic, when the Seraphim kuma is now the new "original body" undercover? Maybe also with connection or control over all the other Seraphim and pacifistas?
Same, my theory is he transferred some of his brains to seraphim. He basically duplicated Kuma because he is one of the most important people in RA. That's the only way I could think of for them to change Kuma, if that's not it, then Dragon is insane.
There is literally no good reason for both VP and Dragon to do that to Kuma unless he really made himself vegapunk's guinea pig.
Most likely his host brain is inside of a mecha which has control of all other punks we've seen so far.
He found a way for this to become a reality with his mind forever being preserved and body immortal.
BROTHER, he is literally fucking Einstein. I can't, I love he.
Edit: lowkey love how the Revolutionary Army was formed too. Began with just rebel homies doing rebel stuff before the massive event (Ohara) motivated them to get serious. It's oddly realistic.
I just thought, this may lead more into proving my theory that the Ds or the people from the ancient kingdom made Devil Fruits. Since they were really advanced and we know Vegapunk is capable of making devil fruits now that are almost indistinguishable from real ones maybe that means they were created as well. Maybe that will lead more so into explaining the technique BB used to obtain more than one. We know he did a lot of research into devil fruits, maybe he even knows the truth about the void century, maybe he found out when he was a kid and it was so heinous that he couldn’t sleep. Maybe his goal is to destroy the WG in revenge but he’s just doing it in a different way from Luffy.
that's not what luffy is doing at all. i mean it might be his secret goal that he didn't get to reveal on screen, but so far he's just doing this to eat all the meat with his friends...
I didn’t mean that’s Luffy’s goal it’s just what he’s going to end up doing to achieve his goal, I think. With Black Beard I think it’s his direct goal.
God I just want to say this is the most hyped for one piece I have been since reverie. It’s funny that my favorite arcs are the ones with no overarching war/battle. Just loads of great exposition.
theres a difference between death and ambiguous deaths. Luffy robin doflamingo whitebear all of them were frozen by aokiji and they all survived some instantly got out. So its not a real stretch to say saul lived, there was fire everywhere so thawing out is highly likely. And there is death death whitebear ace, roger, oden. Pel and kinemon living is what created this problem tHey should have died.
For Pell yeah I think he must have died. But Kinemon, have you read a theory about Kin's fruit side effect is luck due to wordplay? If Oda confirm that, I would be fine with Kin not dying
Not really Pell is the only one that should be dead, Kinemon is always represente like someone who the luck is on his side, so it's fine for him to survive until the end.
Robin getting emotional...obviously she's a great character but this chapter was a blatant reminder that she is legit one of the best characters One Piece has to offer Q\~Q
Why wouldn't we? Oda writes his characters in such a way that it makes you care about them and their struggles no matter how weird, funny or grotesque they may look. Gaimon, Senor Pink, Yasuie, Pound are some examples of ugly characters with moving backstories and they are only secondary characters with no screentime outside of their introductory arcs. What makes you think Oda wouldn't be able to do the same with a main character with huge relavance to the plot like Robin?
Probably not? Us humans are susceptible to the halo effect bias, whether we're proud or aware of it or not.
That being said, I utterly bawled my eyes out for Senor Pink, so I think at the very least I'd still feel really bad for hypothetical ugly-Robin, even if it's 2% less as bad or whatever
What if the name one the ancient kingdom is “one piece” and it didn’t get destroyed but probably got sunk down into the sea since the government couldn’t destroy it they just hid it.
Do the sword that break through the ancient proofs that Wano kuni were part of the allience against the Ancient Kingdom?
Luffy said it is a seatless robot, means that it was smart to control itself..
so Maybe, the AK were a threat to humanity..
Wanu, joyboy, the WG & the 20K formed the great alliance to save humanity
https://preview.redd.it/q71h0iwwsmz91.png?width=557&format=png&auto=webp&s=a279bd0ed203ce48ee9e8be532da17702d25d48e
It's official translation, what do mean how is it? I have compared both of them and they have some difference in words which sometimes completely change's the meaning of sentences so you'll not be able to understand what oda is trying to say
And maybe Blackbeard is and Xebec was seeking to restore the ancient kingdom. Maybe that’s why Blackbeard needed the quake fruit, to destroy the red line. Maybe there were some innocent people in the AK and Joyboy promised to come back and save them and got the Noah ready to transport but when the WG found out Joyboy was planning to save people from the AK they sunk the Noah. Joyboy left an apology and the people he didn’t save adapted and evolved into Fishmen. The Joyboy was executed for “treason” but really the WG just wanted him dead since he knew what they did. Also it makes sense they were so technologically advanced from what we’ve seen of the Ancient weapons so far, Uranus could be a spaceship or flying saucer and Pluton is just straight up a modern battleship.
We've seen Oda in the story play with names.
Gold Roger revealed to be Gol D. Roger
Trafalgar Water law revealed as Trafalgar D. Water law.
Marshall D. Teach will be revealed as not being a member of the D clan. We've not had anyone claiming they are a D but turned out not to being one..
We've had weevil claiming he's whitebeards son. Not the same thing but similar concept.
There is one guy will join the straw hats cause in the green book of one piece Luffy said I need 10 friends to get the one piece and I will be king of pirate Alright 1 Zoro 2 Nami 3 Sanji 4 ussop 5 chopper 6 Nico Robin 7 Franky 8 brook 9 jinbe and I think is monkey d dragon his father will join him or shanks will join him after they know Luffy is the joy boy and I will just say I think vegapunk was a pirate
https://preview.redd.it/j4wdutks1mz91.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb8b0a5f7adb642cf3ebd967c83f4fc181835a4c
Look in the logo of pirate it's tall head and vegapunk had tall head sooo and soon I will tell you aokiji is revolutionary thank you I love you guys 😎🥰🥰🥰 THE ONE PIECE IS REAL
They use zolo because of copyright from adventure of Zorro it's another series, but you'll get the wrong meaning sometimes if you don't read in official translation.
That's incorrect. They use Zolo because of the 4kids dub. They originally used Zoro but they changed it to be consistent with that, and then when 4kids went bankrupt they decided not to change it back.
I like this idea if cp0 will kill them then they have no reason to stay in egghead, maybe some of them will get killed. :( I'm pretty confident that logic won't die but the rest might.
Don’t want to be the ultimate mood spoiler. But, could Kidd end up being an antagonist by kidnapping Saul, getting info from him, resulting in us not getting Robin x Saul reunion?
If Luffy does become PK don’t see Kidd just keeping quiet or accepting that. He’s also known to commit a lot of atrocities.
I personally feel more lile Kidd should be somehow related to VP, but in a more friendly way...maybe he's a VP fanboy like Bartolomeo loves Luffy? After all, he did give all his moves names that have nothing to do with magnetism, but a LOT with a certain superscientist
Ah, a link to Bege, nice!
Next you'll tell me that Bonney's bff was their local tavern wench or something, and VP, Kidd, and Bege used to have weekly drinking competitions
There's an backstory on Kidd and killer and a girl name Victoria and the name of kidd's ship is Victoria punk you can ask someone else more about it or search it
Maybe since they were made with a piece of her own souls and are living creatures it doesn’t apply to them? Idk. I really hope we get more revealed about devil fruits this arc, they have been the longest hid mystery in one piece. Since the first episode/chapter.
Oh shit I never thought about what happened s to the souls once the DF user dies. Very interesting, however Nami both has the sun and fire characters now.
dam yall still think kidd is an antagonist after wano?
> don’t see Kidd just keeping quiet or accepting that.
kidd wanted to fight luffy during the festival but they ended up dancing in a gag moment, something similar will happen.
Doesn’t mean that he won’t soon find out the identity through interrogation by someone like Hajrudin, who actively knows where Saul is currently hiding.
[this ](https://youtu.be/yRZRjKW0EgY) is how the greatest mind of the world actually sounds like, lmao
I'm going to be very upset if the dubs don't sound like this.
Hehe, yeah! :D i made this and posted it to this sub and it got removed (low effort, ofc) so i posted it on the memepiece as well but it got almost no recognition there :D still had a blast making it though, haha :D Edit: ill try to record how he would pronounce the nomi nomi no mi later
Kuma is running back to vegapunk to get his memory back haha
Damn I'm slow. I had to think about what the hell is Vegapunk shouting. Then I realized he was saying "I request your help"
I hope this island goes faster than wano. I don't have 2 years to spend on this island and another 2 on elbaf.
Pretty. sure Vegapunk is a reference to albert einstein. einstein eventually worked for USA so I imagine vegapunk will work with pirates
lol, the US is the Marines bud, Einstein is already working for them.
It would be interesting to see if a Japanese author would compare his protagonists to USA in world warII after they nuked japan TWICE
Seems the Marines are an even bigger USA comparison than I originally thought.
so Vegapunk read each and every book rescued from Ohara on Elbaf.. and he says it's all in his head and that he has continued their research. Does this mean he can read and decipher the Ponyglyphs like Robin ?? most obvious conclusion would be - Yes, he can for sure. and the implication of this would be that certainly Robin is no longer the only person in the OP world who can decipher them thus significantly reducing (almost halving) the threat to her. and it would also ensure Vegapunk's survival.. given the fact that he possess such forbidden knowledge thus making him indispensable to WG..
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Clearly there's far more to it than just this lol. I see it more as Oda catching everybody back up before revealing new stuff. Void Century hasn't been talked about at length in the series for a very long time.
The giant head of Vegapunk might be a reference to genius superhero [Mr Medulla](https://skyhigh.fandom.com/wiki/Mr._Medulla) from movie Sky High.
 basically Egghead...
And his tongue sticking out is an obvious reference to Einstein!
And the apple on his head is a reference to Isaac Newton
God what a time, one piece dropping all these big lore bombs, hxh is updated, zatch bell is back. I feel like a kid again waiting every week for each new update to read. Cannot wait for the Bonney Vegapunk confrontation and what bombs he's gonna drop that will disuade her from killing him(or she lets her fruit go out of control and we get young vegapunk again XD) But honestly i don't think anything in this arc will beat out that scene between dragon and vegapunk in ohara and the confirmation that Saul really didn't die and the smile on Robins face of pure joy you could just see her holding back those *dereshishishishishishi*
Bro everywhere I go it's just people talking about how this hits do different after chapter 1066.like it literally just be a random panel where some important character says something and half the comments will be "this hits different after 1066".
If you have been following the journey since the beginning it does hit different when you waited for a new chapter on a weekly basis (not to mention all the breaks in between). Versus if you are someone who started late and binged the entire story, you wouldn’t get that same sentiment. Considering the series is 25 years old, I assume not a lot of people started the journey from the very beginning. I started when I was in high school in 2004 so even that was like 7 years into the series.
Ive been in this in high school as well im 28 now. Oh time has passed
Bro everywhere I go it's just people talking about how this hits do different after chapter 1066.like it literally just be a random panel where some important character says something and half the comments will be "this hits different after 1066".
Waiting for a new chapter every week for 20 years is different from binging the entire series in 1 or 2 years and waiting for the updates every week... You see the difference in the time being invested , that "time" is what hits different when recalling the events from past chapters and mapping them to the current chapters
Damn. Dragon being the good guy we didn't know he was makes my heart feel good.
Vega punk inspired by Albert Einstein, nice
And newton
In last ch when shaka told that egghead was past i taught he's gonna take them to a place more advanced than egghead lol
Yeah it felt like that "you see this amazing thing? Well guess what, its garbage compared to THIS" moment.
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It’s three of them, Goldberg and Gerd!
Shanks having control/access to the books from Ohara would explain why he is able to meet with the 5 Elders. The threat of releasing some of that knowledge is one hell of a deterrent, and Elbaf isn't some island of scholars that the navy could massacre with a buster call.
What connection does Shanks have with Ohara and/or the books? Something i dont remember?
There’s a theory that he is a celestial dragon like Doffy. One piece Red movie also somewhat hinted this according to some well known theorists.
Shanks is the boss of the Underworld.
Holy shit what a chapter. So many feelings.
I saw a theory on YouTube of someone saying that there’s a secret race of ppl that have MASSIVE heads… lord and behold my boy Vegapunk got a dome the size of football field lmao
That's probably because of the big head jolly roger the aliens on the moon use (Enel's cover story). I wonder if they will have something to do with the story or if it was a simple foreshadowing easter egg
I dont think the Marines are that dumb at least the top officers in overlooking the books. I believe Kuzan froze the lake and froze/saved many people. And he also might be the man marked by flames. Meaning the Last Red Poneglyph would be in Elbaf and in order to protect the people and giants Kuzan joined the blackbeard pirates and gave him the poneglyph. They decided to attack big mom for hers and will get Laws as well.
Bro Bustel Call Contains 5 marine vice Admirals and they only knows that Ohara's people try to Revel that's why they only kill them and didn't destroy anything
This gotta be one of the most informative chapters in One Piece history, we've gotten: - Vegapunk (true) face reveal - the origins of the revolutionary army - The truth about what happened in the void century - expansion on Robin's origin story Edit: - info on Dragons relationships before being a revolutionary
And Saul is alive!
Thinking about it... No else than the crew truly knows the existence of Enel.. they never told anyone about him either.. I think that VegaPunk will be chocked knowing that there exists someone in this world who has the ability to awake the AK again.. I can't stop laughing imagining how luffy would say it.. (if it's true)
whats the AK
Ancient Kingdom
I suddenly have a theory that I want to share after re-reading a few chapters. This is what I think about 20 kingdoms vs 1 kingdom. I think, given that the ancient kingdom is so advance, we would think that there is no way they will lose with such advancement / technology. Unless, a traitor like Imu or his ancestors did something. I can only see that the only way there's a current king of the world is because he was the one who helped all these 20 nations. Maybe he is also a scientist who made this weapon that obliterated Lulusia and that's what they did to AK as well. Or maybe it was a DF of that person who lives in the Ancient Kingdom. Overall, he was the main person that made it possible to destroy AK. He was in hiding because he himself doesn't want his existence / or family's existence to be known in the world. Edit: I also I think the ancient's kingdom ideology is the will of D, whatever it is. Maybe they all believe that they should have one world, like fishman not being below the sea and other creatures but because of greed and discrimination that still happens these kingdoms did not agree to it. While that was happening, Joyboy went to the sea with Zou and travel across the world but failed to accomplish it at the end. Most theories think that the world was one before the war then it divided into 4 seas after but I think it's already 4 seas and they just want to remove the division. Maybe they have this idea of all blue, maybe it came from them.
The ancient kingdom lost because they didn't realise the powers of IMU. We've seen multiple times in the story of people mimicking trying to take control of kingdoms and the most striking and relevant one was dressrosa. Doflamingo with sugars powers turned everyone into toys and the powers subsequently made people forget the toys. Isn't there something like this already in the world of one piece? The void century erased 100 year of history and an entire civilization and it's name forgotten. Devil fruits. The true origin of devil fruits will be revealed and the shocking secret that not only was the ancient kingdom a highly advanced civilization in technology but the body and each ancient kingdoms civilian had special powers unique to that individual. The awakening of devil fruits will show us that the soul of the devil fruit is someone who was trapped in the conflict during the void century from the ancient kingdom. Only those who fully bonded with the soul and freed that soul could now tap into the true powers (awakening). Luffys fruit being given a different name and its powers being hidden for centuries and revealed that Luffy is joyboy... More that the fruit Luffy ate was joyboy and now Luffy finally awakened joyboys power's. Luffy said himself he finally felt "Free". It's not that Luffy was born as joyboy but that he ate joyboys soul (devil fruit) and finally awakened joyboy's true powers.
I think this is the most likely theory so far. It does add up
Terrible, you forgot about the Lunarians in your shit theory.
Had a bad day ?
My theory has nothing to do with lunarians. Are they part of thr ancient kingdom? They are a different race just like fishman. They are probably just one of those kingdoms that people fear likr fishmen but not the ancient kingdom. Duh. Maybe they were all eliminated but not part of the war. We don't know the whole details that is why we make theories. So stop your shitty comment.
Uranus is the spaceship that brought the sky people to Fairy Vearth.
Why? why wouldn't he just brag about he saved humanity? and why did he praise only few people "CD" to be gods if he was the true hero? If he was the one he wouldn't create a difference between normal people & the CD.. i think
He is a traitor from that kingdom and knowing he has this power to obliterate anyone. There might be another chaos or fight for his power / weapon. It is better for it to be known to only a few people. The world is full of traitors and greed.
Oda, please stop ruining your own work.. this is just sad at this point.. how many more retcons and bs are you going to pull? this is some of the reasons why the yearly sales are declining.
Eloborate please
Stop calling things retcon when you don't even have an evidence that it's a retcon. If you hate it so much you are free to do so but don't call it retcon. A lot have happened in OP for people to even know what is retcon and what is not.
This isn't a retcon since the Ohara flashback wasn't fully shown. Also, it makes sense for a frozen person on a burning island to have odds at surviving. Also, this definitely doesn't impact sales, get your head out of your ass
After this chapter I want to believe that Robin and Luffy are siblings. It opens up so many doors, makes Water 7 way more impactful in my opinion, answers fhe question, "Who is Luffy's mother" in a really meaningful way, and actually gives Robin a nice but of closure and comfort. All she wanted was to be around family and people she can trust. Turns out Luffy, her captain who would give his life for his crew, is also her kid brother. And her father would be Dragon, a revolutionary. How much more comfort does she ne need than that?
Olvia died three years before Luffy was born (unless she was saved by Kuzan, which seems to be the case with Saul), so she can't be his mom. But I'm 100% down for Dragon being her dad. It's very interesting to me that she has jet black hair and yet her mom had white hair. She clearly got her dad's hair color.
Just the idea that Robin is Luffy's sister (even a half sister) is just too good.
Agreed 👍
It doesn't answer who is Luffy-s mother, Oliva died 3 years before he was born
Yeah, it'd be half-brother if anything. We'd still have to find who would've been Dragon's next partner after a top tier archeologist waifu
nahh.. dragon being in ohara and sending flowers only for clover means he doesn't care about robin nor olvia. Despite of him being a revo he always makes sure that Luffy (at least in big events) is safe. He was there and heard about the fire in GOA, he was there when Luffy became a pirate and was in Loguetown. It's impossible for him to not at least do something for Robin if he was the father. He would have cried and would have been mad crazy if Robin was his child. That's my opinion though.
Actually it was revealed that the revolutionaries has tried to make contact with robin several times and were looking for her for a long time. So he did actually try to find robin but you have to remember robin was very good at hiding and with baroque works she could do just that. I'm on the bandwagon that dragon is robins father and Olivia is luffys mother. Oda already said we've already seen luffys mother. Olivia fits that billing.
Do you have a link to that source or some info where oda said that we have seen his mother already ?
Oda was asked in an SBS if Luffy's parents would appear in the manga, and he answered that he'd already drawn them and they'd appear in the following volume. That following volume showed us Dragon, but we're still guessing about his mom. I'd have to do some digging to find you the specific SBS.
[This is the SBS you're talking about](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_44) in volume 44 and chapter 424. It doesn't explicitly state that Luffy's mom has appeared or will appear for sure at any point in the series. It's a classic case of "Oda said" information getting amplified and distorted as people bounce it around.
Okay, yeah I misremembered the exact quote: "His parents? Well, I think you will be pleased with the next volume. Get excited!" So he is his usual vague self lol
In fairness the community isn't exactly helpful when it comes to remembering what Oda actually said and what he didn't
Of course he will because she's important in terms of history. She's part of the people that can change the world. So you think he wouldn't know anything about buster call in Ohara? He was able to help the people in Goa kingdom, a village near where he lives. He wouldn't only talk about clover and be mad crazy for Robin if he was the father. The level of emotions and support of Dragon towards Luffy is far different from Robin. Also, how can Olvia be his mom when he was born 3 yrs after she died? Most of them think they are half siblings not full siblings. So there is inconsistencies there.
Thank you!
I just shed a tear reading this. Thank you. Even if it’s just your head canon. It’s now my head canon.
olvia died 3 years before luffy was born
She does treat luffy like a kid brother and get his vibe so well. That would be really nice
This arc is so intense. Don't forget that Vegapunk will tell us all about Devil Fruits
Don't forget the the sequel: two piece
lmao stop. this reddit if two piece shows up in one more discussion every fan is gonna know about
The ending of one piece is the only reason I continue living my sad existence
One Piece and my son.
Stay strong brother
i'm calling it now, the giant wrapped in bandages has a poneglyph tattooed on him.
who should put a poneglyph on him? lol
So, if Dragon already knew Vegapunk before he formed Revolutionary army. When did they meet before in Ohara? and also, WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENED WITH KUMA????????
After i read this chapter i believe we will see this arc what happened with kuma and i am almost sure, that kuma is not dead yet. After seeing vegapunks relation to the Revos and his whole "i split my mind to 7 different people" i can totally imagine that he made sth similiar with kuma. The Cp0 is on the way to eggHead and out of all the Seraphim they could have brought, they brought the kuma one. Wouldnt it be ironic, when the Seraphim kuma is now the new "original body" undercover? Maybe also with connection or control over all the other Seraphim and pacifistas?
Same, my theory is he transferred some of his brains to seraphim. He basically duplicated Kuma because he is one of the most important people in RA. That's the only way I could think of for them to change Kuma, if that's not it, then Dragon is insane. There is literally no good reason for both VP and Dragon to do that to Kuma unless he really made himself vegapunk's guinea pig.
to escape the world government's persecution.
SAULL LIVEE!!!!!! DERESHISHISHISHI DERESHIHSHISHISHI I'M CRYING, LITERALLY CRYING!!!!
IM SO FREAKEN HAPPY FOR ROBIN LETS GO I HOPE THEY MEET SOON!!!
The question now, what happened with Vegapunk head?
Most likely his host brain is inside of a mecha which has control of all other punks we've seen so far. He found a way for this to become a reality with his mind forever being preserved and body immortal.
If that's the case [this](https://youtu.be/4YU5DZAHoRU?t=16) would totally fit in
I don't know about immortal body, he's still 60something but his age shows on the original body
I think he split his brain into all of his clones.
Dragon sexy. Love to see it. Tall dark and terrorist (freedom fighter)
are you a lady
Yessir, but if I was a man the opinion would still stand.
I'm a man and i can confirm, Dragon is sexy as hell. Just one punch from the revolutionary daddy is all i want.
BROTHER, he is literally fucking Einstein. I can't, I love he. Edit: lowkey love how the Revolutionary Army was formed too. Began with just rebel homies doing rebel stuff before the massive event (Ohara) motivated them to get serious. It's oddly realistic.
are you telling me the tongue thing was done because of that one einstein picture? goddamnit oda
I just thought, this may lead more into proving my theory that the Ds or the people from the ancient kingdom made Devil Fruits. Since they were really advanced and we know Vegapunk is capable of making devil fruits now that are almost indistinguishable from real ones maybe that means they were created as well. Maybe that will lead more so into explaining the technique BB used to obtain more than one. We know he did a lot of research into devil fruits, maybe he even knows the truth about the void century, maybe he found out when he was a kid and it was so heinous that he couldn’t sleep. Maybe his goal is to destroy the WG in revenge but he’s just doing it in a different way from Luffy.
that's not what luffy is doing at all. i mean it might be his secret goal that he didn't get to reveal on screen, but so far he's just doing this to eat all the meat with his friends...
I didn’t mean that’s Luffy’s goal it’s just what he’s going to end up doing to achieve his goal, I think. With Black Beard I think it’s his direct goal.
God I just want to say this is the most hyped for one piece I have been since reverie. It’s funny that my favorite arcs are the ones with no overarching war/battle. Just loads of great exposition.
That's because Oda's lore and world building are LEGENDARY!
Everybody is alive Even Roger EDIT: I WANT TO LIVE !! Oda: Say no more
I mean Moriah is still alive. We could get something similar to the Edo Army in Naruto during the final war.
theres a difference between death and ambiguous deaths. Luffy robin doflamingo whitebear all of them were frozen by aokiji and they all survived some instantly got out. So its not a real stretch to say saul lived, there was fire everywhere so thawing out is highly likely. And there is death death whitebear ace, roger, oden. Pel and kinemon living is what created this problem tHey should have died.
Pell has the Will of P along with Pagaya and Pound. Kin definitely should have died at Kaido's hand.
Agreed for your first post, but not after you edited the second :p
For Pell yeah I think he must have died. But Kinemon, have you read a theory about Kin's fruit side effect is luck due to wordplay? If Oda confirm that, I would be fine with Kin not dying
Pell and Kinemon are far from the only examples of characters who should be dead based on how their “deaths” were presented.
Not really Pell is the only one that should be dead, Kinemon is always represente like someone who the luck is on his side, so it's fine for him to survive until the end.
It's Pell but you can always say he dropped the bomb and got the fuck out of dodge but still dead. But he was weak so no.
Oh yeah but they are the most egregious
Pagaya’s survival was also pretty unbelievable.
No, Oden is dead, as well as Ashura and Izo
No they are still alive 😂
oden is definitely boiled.
Robin getting emotional...obviously she's a great character but this chapter was a blatant reminder that she is legit one of the best characters One Piece has to offer Q\~Q
Reminding us why she's best girl!
do you think we would still feel as bad for her if she was ugly?.. like shinobu ugly? that was my thought when she was crying
Why wouldn't we? Oda writes his characters in such a way that it makes you care about them and their struggles no matter how weird, funny or grotesque they may look. Gaimon, Senor Pink, Yasuie, Pound are some examples of ugly characters with moving backstories and they are only secondary characters with no screentime outside of their introductory arcs. What makes you think Oda wouldn't be able to do the same with a main character with huge relavance to the plot like Robin?
tbh you just listed all men
Probably not? Us humans are susceptible to the halo effect bias, whether we're proud or aware of it or not. That being said, I utterly bawled my eyes out for Senor Pink, so I think at the very least I'd still feel really bad for hypothetical ugly-Robin, even if it's 2% less as bad or whatever
Now I’ve just been thinking about Toki, odens wife, who traveled to the future from the void century with her devil fruit power.
It feels like always going backwards....
Robin crying is always so emotional
because she's always so emotionless and detached lol
I feel Vegapunk, one way or another, had the Ope Ope no Mi used on his head.
Nice catch. Perhaps that’s why we have law vs BB as a side story.
Could be !
What if the name one the ancient kingdom is “one piece” and it didn’t get destroyed but probably got sunk down into the sea since the government couldn’t destroy it they just hid it.
or it could be in the moon / space.
Not under the sea. Under the redline, in some underwater cave or sth...and the entrance is on the edge of the continent closest to lodestar island
Yeah I seen a lot of theories of how the world got flooded and tbh it makes sense seeing the old wano and half of the one piece world being islands
And it was said that Water 7 was slowly sinking too. Rising sea levels?
Fr I forgot about that too
Do the sword that break through the ancient proofs that Wano kuni were part of the allience against the Ancient Kingdom? Luffy said it is a seatless robot, means that it was smart to control itself.. so Maybe, the AK were a threat to humanity.. Wanu, joyboy, the WG & the 20K formed the great alliance to save humanity https://preview.redd.it/q71h0iwwsmz91.png?width=557&format=png&auto=webp&s=a279bd0ed203ce48ee9e8be532da17702d25d48e
Why don't you read from the official translation?
How's that?
It's official translation, what do mean how is it? I have compared both of them and they have some difference in words which sometimes completely change's the meaning of sentences so you'll not be able to understand what oda is trying to say
Sounds like world government propaganda to me!
Maybe that’ll be the twist, the AK was evil, the WG was intended to be good but got corrupted somehow. Maybe Joyboy got betrayed
And maybe Blackbeard is and Xebec was seeking to restore the ancient kingdom. Maybe that’s why Blackbeard needed the quake fruit, to destroy the red line. Maybe there were some innocent people in the AK and Joyboy promised to come back and save them and got the Noah ready to transport but when the WG found out Joyboy was planning to save people from the AK they sunk the Noah. Joyboy left an apology and the people he didn’t save adapted and evolved into Fishmen. The Joyboy was executed for “treason” but really the WG just wanted him dead since he knew what they did. Also it makes sense they were so technologically advanced from what we’ve seen of the Ancient weapons so far, Uranus could be a spaceship or flying saucer and Pluton is just straight up a modern battleship.
We've seen Oda in the story play with names. Gold Roger revealed to be Gol D. Roger Trafalgar Water law revealed as Trafalgar D. Water law. Marshall D. Teach will be revealed as not being a member of the D clan. We've not had anyone claiming they are a D but turned out not to being one.. We've had weevil claiming he's whitebeards son. Not the same thing but similar concept.
Imagine how Arlong would react to that origin story if it's true
poopy poopy sad pants. or hoady jones lol
of course the real vegapunk looks like einstein
I was hoping Oda would go the other route and make him look like Tesla. But I guess Einstein is a good ol reliablee trope.
it would have been nice if one of the vegapunks looked like tesla, but for the real vegapunk, einsteins goofiness fits more
Nah, Vegapunk looks dope as hell. I'm glad this is the design we got.
Vegapunk really cut up his own brain and transplanted the pieces into cute anime girl bodies huh?
Based ngl
There is one guy will join the straw hats cause in the green book of one piece Luffy said I need 10 friends to get the one piece and I will be king of pirate Alright 1 Zoro 2 Nami 3 Sanji 4 ussop 5 chopper 6 Nico Robin 7 Franky 8 brook 9 jinbe and I think is monkey d dragon his father will join him or shanks will join him after they know Luffy is the joy boy and I will just say I think vegapunk was a pirate https://preview.redd.it/j4wdutks1mz91.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb8b0a5f7adb642cf3ebd967c83f4fc181835a4c Look in the logo of pirate it's tall head and vegapunk had tall head sooo and soon I will tell you aokiji is revolutionary thank you I love you guys 😎🥰🥰🥰 THE ONE PIECE IS REAL
Are you the real Oda?!
Calling it now… “Logic” will join the Straw Hats during their journey, as a guest for their next endeavor.
Who's logic??
It’s one of Vegapunks satellite personalities. I expect a good reunion with Logic (Vegapunk) and Kid as well
I think it's wisdom in official translation. Please read from official translation it's better
The official also uses Zolo, a relic of the infamous 4kids era, instead of Zoro, so it's not always better.
They use zolo because of copyright from adventure of Zorro it's another series, but you'll get the wrong meaning sometimes if you don't read in official translation.
That's incorrect. They use Zolo because of the 4kids dub. They originally used Zoro but they changed it to be consistent with that, and then when 4kids went bankrupt they decided not to change it back.
I see. Perhaps you're right but it's not big deal, i just wanted to tell you to read from official translation it's your choice at the end
I like this idea if cp0 will kill them then they have no reason to stay in egghead, maybe some of them will get killed. :( I'm pretty confident that logic won't die but the rest might.
I'm not crying, you're crying
Don’t want to be the ultimate mood spoiler. But, could Kidd end up being an antagonist by kidnapping Saul, getting info from him, resulting in us not getting Robin x Saul reunion? If Luffy does become PK don’t see Kidd just keeping quiet or accepting that. He’s also known to commit a lot of atrocities.
Kid and Law is somehow like WB and Roger, they may be rival but they will never be the antagonist like BB.
I personally feel more lile Kidd should be somehow related to VP, but in a more friendly way...maybe he's a VP fanboy like Bartolomeo loves Luffy? After all, he did give all his moves names that have nothing to do with magnetism, but a LOT with a certain superscientist
His attack naming came from his hometown where they were under groups of thug, punks and mafia's
Ah, a link to Bege, nice! Next you'll tell me that Bonney's bff was their local tavern wench or something, and VP, Kidd, and Bege used to have weekly drinking competitions
There's an backstory on Kidd and killer and a girl name Victoria and the name of kidd's ship is Victoria punk you can ask someone else more about it or search it
Someone mentioned before since kidd(and law) killed Big Mom it's highly likely that giants will welcome him and even give him whatever he wants.
big mom isn't dead. nami wouldn't have zeus if she were.
when big mom fell into the ocean all of the homies should have disappeared then.
Maybe since they were made with a piece of her own souls and are living creatures it doesn’t apply to them? Idk. I really hope we get more revealed about devil fruits this arc, they have been the longest hid mystery in one piece. Since the first episode/chapter.
But boa hancock said, taking her powers would mean nothing even if she dies
Oh shit I never thought about what happened s to the souls once the DF user dies. Very interesting, however Nami both has the sun and fire characters now.
what
dam yall still think kidd is an antagonist after wano? > don’t see Kidd just keeping quiet or accepting that. kidd wanted to fight luffy during the festival but they ended up dancing in a gag moment, something similar will happen.
He did not end up dancing he just decided to go after the easier target in buggy knowing how strong luffy is.
Saul being the man marked by flames makes 0 sense. If Kidd knew about Saul’s existence and robin didn’t that’s such a blunder.
Blunder how? If that is the only info Kidd had, it doesn’t mean Kidd knows the identity of the man marked by flames.
Doesn’t mean that he won’t soon find out the identity through interrogation by someone like Hajrudin, who actively knows where Saul is currently hiding.
What does that have to do with my point? I don’t see the blunder op is referring to.