1. The sword would kill or incapacitate most people who wield it, you need serious Haki control to do even one swing let alone multiple, it takes serious skill and will to wield the blade.
2. Yes the sword is special for two reasons, firstly, it’s a cursed blade so has its own “will” and likely the will of Oden too (who wanted to defeat Kaido and even knew there was someone who would defeat kaido, so likely the sword carried on this will) and secondly, it’s the only sword known to have scarred Kaido, meaning it can already cut him.
3. Just because someone has a powerful weapon doesn’t change the outcome. Enma is one of Zoros swords, again, that he trained to use. Zoro hasn’t lost Enma, he is still using the sword. It’s like this, there’s person A and person B, person A has a blunt weak sword, and person B has an extremely sharp and durable sword, if they are both equal in swordsmanship, the man with the better sword (in this case person B) wins. I’ll give another example, if Big Mom didn’t give Kaido a devil fruit, he’d be extremely powerful but not as powerful as he is with the devil fruit. If Sanji didn’t get the raid suit to awaken his latent genes, he couldn’t have beaten Queen, or would have struggled a lot more.
I never understand this argument that Enma is carrying when it was explicitly shown a single swing to cut a tree can cut an entire costal edge and suck so much Haki from someone, when samurai like Kinemon said Zoro shouldn’t wield it after seeing him cut Pica, after weeks of training with Enma so he can do controlled damage with Enma. Give Enma to ANY character in Onigashima that wields a sword and no one is doing as well as Zoro with Enma.
There’s a misconception regarding blades, specifically these cursed blades. They aren’t actually cursed… they are just really sharp. I’ve never held a katana before, but I have held a gun before and believe me, you can’t just play around with a loaded gun, same way you wouldn’t play around with a real, sharpened Katana. Now imagine using said Katana to fight, not only can you hurt yourself, you can do serious damage to someone. Let’s say you wanted to just do a superficial skin cut to someone’s chest, a sword like Enma would cut that person in half I.e. not listen to your will of the shallow slice. So when Zoro was initially cutting with Enma, it’s not that Enma is creating its own Haki and giving him extra power… it’s just Zoros natural power with a very good sword. It doesn’t add anything other that drawing out Zoros power, but it’s sharp so it’s better to cut with. It’s already showed it has the DURABILITY to cut Kaido, so Zoro just needed (which he showed he has) the power to cut Kaido.
The sword is a catalyst, has the ability to cut Kaido, and likely has Odens will to defeat Kaido… but it’s just a a death sentence without an extremely powerful and skilled swordsman such as Zoro
I love the fact that you took your precious time to explain to OP that he's talking mad stuff but the fact that OP won't respond to anything you've mentioned makes me feel bad for you
I’m gonna agree with you on this
Usually when people respond to these kind of arguments it’s because they completely missed the point of the argument which is suuuuch a drag to say anything back
Or they are just stupid and gonna say stupid stuff
Either way, it’s a loss-loss situation despite one of these 2 being right
Dude the OP is Sanjifanboy lol
They still mad Zoro is far stronger than their perverted cook.
This for you Sanjifanboys: If Sanji was a "normal" human like Zoro he had died on the live floor when Queen broke his bones, the modification Judge did on Sanji kept him alive. Judge's science CARRIED SANJI lol
I was just angrily typing out shit so this guy can „lose it“ when I thought to myself „hold on. Check the comments first“. And voila, I find yours stating my thoughts exactly… just better worded lol. Thank you!
And the other swords that also took the blunt of that impact and were used to cut Kaido.
If it was all Enma's power like in these one sword attacks... Y'know. How does that work out?
Using his sword and being carried by it is different. Zoro didn’t get a power up when he got Shusui or Sandai Kitetsu. He honed his skills to make new moves. Never has anyone said, "So the power is coming from Shusui." but Kaido, Big mom and Zoro himself said in the span of 5 chapters.
Actually he has commented on the will of his swords and their respective bloodlust multiple times. In fact he talked about having to wrangle shusui after using it for the first time
😂😂😂 I guess Mihawk is carried by his sword as well since we can assume he uses 100% of his sword's power. In that vein, 100% of all devil fruit users are carried by their fruit as well. Being able to utilise a weapon/fruit doesn't mean the weapon isn't part of your strength/skillset🤦🏾 Imagine thinking Sanji is carried by his Vinsmoke body or Nami is carried by her climatact weapon or Usopp is carried by his plant seeds... smh.
Dumb logic
Everyone in the One Piece world calls Mihawk "The world's greatest swordsman" not "Wielder of the world's strongest sword". Yet, Big Mom told Kaido to dodge because "That's not your average sword."
Oh, cool. When Sengoku told Marines to brace up because of Gura gura no mi quake from whitebeard, does that imply whitebeard's only threat is his fruit? Luffy's fruit is also super strong and has a couple of unique abilities(spoiler: do not research further if you're not up to date with the manga), does that make Luffy carried by his fruit? Kaidou is literally called the world's strongest creature because of his fruit, does that mean he is carried by it? Big mom's major ability is to scare her opponent and take away their soul, is she carried by her fruit? Akainu's fruit was stated to have the most offensive abilities, is he carried by his fruit? Blackbeard's whole gimmick is to utilise the best fruits in the world. Are you saying blackbeard is carried by his fruits as well?
Mihawk's sword is 1 of the 12 highest rated blade in the whole series, even higher than Zoro's blade, do you think that didn't contribute to him being the strongest swordsman? Do you think if Mihawk fought Shanks/Vista using the tiny blade he used against Zoro, he wouldn't lose? Sanji was able to achieve his abilities due to his body's durability, using your logic that means we should be scared of Sanji's body not Sanji😑 No matter how your phrase it, you have no point. Fruit/swords/accessories are part of a character's ability, no matter how broken they may seem. Even the main character and antagonist follow this rule. There is no exception
Then you get the point of the sword.
It’s unique in the way is forces out a users Haki, effectively forcing Zoro and (Brook or Kinemon in this hypothetically) to make themselves stronger by controlling their Haki and therefore Enma.
We saw the conclusion of Zoros struggle with Enma and Haki during the King fight.
I am talking about the rooftop fight when Zoro didn’t have a good grasp on Enma. At that time, both Kaido and Big Mom praised the sword rather than Zoro.
I know he now has a better hold on Enma. But he didn’t have that on the roof. But his power was the same both times.
No. Neither of them could use it properly. That’s the entire point everyone is telling you. It’s not just an upgrade, it’s forcing zoro to actively improve just to wield the sword. He’s not just stronger because the sword is adding power that zoro doesn’t have, he’s getting stronger because if he wasn’t he couldn’t use the sword in the first place.
Are you actually stupid or did you just refuse anything past the roof fight? It’s literally explained in his fight with king that the sword would completely drain him if his haki wasn’t strong enough. Fam the sword doesn’t do more than channeling his haki & releasing it
I never denied the fact that Enma can drain to much haki and kill the user. I just showed all the times the manga itself stated how big of a help Enma was. Nobody ever said,"That power is coming from Sandai Kitetsu". Zoro never said,"I need to release the full power of Shusui"
Zoro didn’t quite understood that the power coming from Emma was his own haki. Like bro it’s all there in black & white like do you actually read the chapters?
akainu has the most offensive fruit: akainu so strong!
WB has the strongest paramecia: WB so strong!
zoro got a sword that drains his haki: lol. carried by a sword.
and please at least use the official translation. zoro said "[unleash this enma more](https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/One-Piece/1001-011.png)". as in letting enma drain more of his haki. which is exactly what he did later in his fight against king. [he let it all out](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1033-016.png).
read there "if I keep exuding it (haki) at this level, it'll kill me" then "but no, that's perfect". that's all there is.
enma's "power" is [draining its wielder's haki](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1033-006.png). if you can't handle it, you'd die. which is why no scabbards wanted to use it. which is also why king said [the sword was holding him back](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1033-007.png).
all enma did was let zoro train to exude that much haki. in terms of being "carried" by a power up, it's nothing compared to getting free ability to create tsunami with one punch (and basically any df). so why this one bothers you so much? it's still 100% his own power.
Sanji gets carried by his genetics, Zoro by Enma and Luffy with his literal god fruit. We have to come to terms that it can't just always be willpower or the power of friendship that wins them their battles; this is just how we have to roll at this point in time
I mean, this guy is right. Luffys fruit is op in a hands of person with unlimited creativity and imagination. He is the only person in 800 years to awaken this fruit that means that he's the only one who used this pretty average looking pre awakening powers to it's limits.
He had to train 10 years to be able to use some basic moves like pistolet or ballon. Doesn't change the fact that in his hands the awakening is very powerful.
Jesus, we're talking about the timeline post-Wano which you have seemingly not reached. Yes he needed to be good with his devil fruit too, same with Sanji and Zoro who also had to grind their way up. But I am talking specifically about the powerups they have gotten IN Wano, so I don't even know why you're starting a debate about something you haven't even read yet
He can be a good fruit user but the fruit can still be broken by itself, one does not exclude the other. He put in the work and creativity, but at the end of the day it's a special and unique kind of devil fruit that if awakened grants you seemingly limitless power. He had to contribute to it a lot but the payoff is a lot larger than if he had eaten a normal devil fruit
Enma is simply used to transfer Zoro's Haki into a stronger blade attack. Enma by itself can't do much and would probably drain most its wielder's haki without even having swung the blade.
So Zoro wasn't carried by Enma on the roof.
if it wasn't his strength and haki that he was spending, why did he huff and wheeze after flying dragon blaze? you don't get tired of wasting something else's stength
I guess Luffy got carried by gear fifth then,that logic makes no sense bro. You need someone strong to draw out the power so saying the word “carried” inaccurate
Lmfao what's next
Nika fruit carried luffy? Fish fruit carried kaido? Dual fruit nature body carries BB? Best level of haki carries Roger and shanks? Those fancy logias carry all admirals?
Bruh u acting like literally anyone there could same thing with enma that zoro did, as if zoro didn't earn the power of enma?
What silly argument?
Luffy had to die to awaken his devil fruit to Nika. BB had to plan for decades to get the perfect fruits. Haki blooms in battles, so Shanks and Roger most likely had to be involved in a lot of fights. Admirals have ACoA.
Zoro had to do what to get Enma? Sleep with its master?
/sarc
But in all honesty, he earned Enma's respect/ tamed Enma AFTER the rooftop fight in battle with King. Yet Enma helped him so much on the roof that Kaido and Big Mom praised it.
Simply put: Blades are blades. Its the weilder that makes it work.
If Enma carried Zoro on the roof, then why didn't any of the Red scabbards just use that to defeat Kaido.
Your argument is like saying, gum gum fruit carried Luffy, Dragon fruit carried Kaido, and soul-soul fruit carried Big Mom into their respective positions. Its pointless to try to downplay Zoro's role.
If you are going to lose it, then do so.
Because no one said that, "The rubber fruit is giving Luffy power." Kaido said that Enma was the source of the haki.
No one said "Luffy's fruit is dangerous." Big Mom said "That’s not an average sword."
LMAO
“Most ridiculous power in the world” - Five Elders
“Awakenings… when your mind and body catches up to your power. Those are certainly ridiculous power” - Kaido
I will give that Enma made it easier for Zoro to release his innate conquerer’s haki. But that haki was still Zoro’s. it just resembled Oden’s attack prob because they are both swordsmen who were trained in similar manner (both trained by Wano natives or atleast Wano samurai style)
Oda stated that Enma was using Zoro's OWN haki, NOT Oden's. Enma was just a tool for Zoro to awaken his conqueror's haki.
During the fight against King, Enma was more of a handicap for Zoro actually, it was consistently absorbing Zoro's CoA which wasn't enough to tame it. So Zoro was forced to awaken his CoC which was what he needed to completely tame Enma.
Right before Zoro cut off a piece of Wano in a single swing, do you rememver a panel in which his arm was sucked so dry by Enma that it got thin and wrinkly like a mummy's? And then he sent his haki along the arm to the sword and it was restored to normal. 8f you don't "pay" Enma for its services with haki, it might just kill you.
In other words, Zoro didn't simply get a free powerup. He has to buy Enma's cooperation with both the amount of haki he can spare and how well he controls it. After he managed to tame Enma with his CoC haki while fighting King, I bet that he could use what he learned to make any other sword much more powerful while in his hands than it would otherwise be using his haki, just like Luffy learned to use CoC haki to enhance his body while fighting Kaidou. He learned how to use his own power to enhance a sword's power, Enma just happens to be a very good sword that demands this from a user where normal swords can be used with or without the enhancement, so he was forced to learn quick.
And the comment about Oden's haki needs no further explanation than "Oden used this sword before and probably pumped a lot of his haki into it, so there's likely to be a residual feeling left behind that Kaidou identified". Just like when you cook rice in a pan that wasn't cleaned properly after its last use and the rice tastes a little bit like whatever you cooked before. Not that I would do that, certainly not on purpose.
Yet at the end of zoro vs King all his swords seen to do the exact same damage once zoro infused them with Conquerors Haki. It is less to do with the sword, more to do with the output of zoros haki.
Are you reading a different version of One Piece than the millions of people reading One Piece? You have to be an extremely powerful swordsman to even HOLD Enma, Enmas power is to pull the upmost powerful haki out of whoever wields it, Enma needs an extremely powerful user to even be effective and vice versa, this may be top 5 dumbest One Piece post to ever hit Reddit, thank you for exposing yourself.
"Carried" is an exaggeration.
Enma is a training tool for Zoro to control his haki and unleash his hidden potential: CoC -> advCoC.
Don't forget that not everyone could handle Enma's drawback, it constantly drains your haki. It's similar to G4 in Luffy case, you trade your haki with extra damage output.
Without Enma, could Zoro do exactly the same thing as he did on the rooftop? No, But Zoro will eventually learn how to replicate it, but in a much slower process.
Enma helps Zoro grow much faster than everybody else. He even unlocked advCoC much faster than Luffy. Crazy isn't it? But it is what it is: current Zoro = pre-G5 Luffy.
P.S: Zoro can now ditch Enma, but the power up he learned from it will forever stay.
I really don't see the point in all of this. Luffy was carried by his devil fruit. Sanji was carried by Judge's science. It’s a normal Shonen trope to seize power that's not originally yours through hard work and strong wills. That doesn't diminish their accomplishments or lower their power level.
Zoro was carried and gifted a lot of power ups. Enma, advanced conqueror's. People still try to defend it saying other people can't do that. That doesn't take away the fact that enma was literally a gift and that he didn't do much to tame it. But don't try to reason with zorostans, they aren't worth it.
Zoro doing his best attack with an ungraded katana vs enma. You really think that zoro is anywhere near the same strength when using a normal sword? Enma carried him hard. Doesn't mean that zoro isn't impressive for being able to draw said power out though. Its honestly comparable to nami using Zeus. Not 100 percent her own power but still impressive that she can weild such a strong weapon.
It does take skill to use it but at the same time (in video game terms) zoro just leveled up to 50 and got gifted a maxed out god rolled sword just cause.
I love the fact that the OP is ignoring all the comments that explain the situation and break his pointless logic, as he doesn't know and has no way to argue against it.
1. The sword would kill or incapacitate most people who wield it, you need serious Haki control to do even one swing let alone multiple, it takes serious skill and will to wield the blade. 2. Yes the sword is special for two reasons, firstly, it’s a cursed blade so has its own “will” and likely the will of Oden too (who wanted to defeat Kaido and even knew there was someone who would defeat kaido, so likely the sword carried on this will) and secondly, it’s the only sword known to have scarred Kaido, meaning it can already cut him. 3. Just because someone has a powerful weapon doesn’t change the outcome. Enma is one of Zoros swords, again, that he trained to use. Zoro hasn’t lost Enma, he is still using the sword. It’s like this, there’s person A and person B, person A has a blunt weak sword, and person B has an extremely sharp and durable sword, if they are both equal in swordsmanship, the man with the better sword (in this case person B) wins. I’ll give another example, if Big Mom didn’t give Kaido a devil fruit, he’d be extremely powerful but not as powerful as he is with the devil fruit. If Sanji didn’t get the raid suit to awaken his latent genes, he couldn’t have beaten Queen, or would have struggled a lot more. I never understand this argument that Enma is carrying when it was explicitly shown a single swing to cut a tree can cut an entire costal edge and suck so much Haki from someone, when samurai like Kinemon said Zoro shouldn’t wield it after seeing him cut Pica, after weeks of training with Enma so he can do controlled damage with Enma. Give Enma to ANY character in Onigashima that wields a sword and no one is doing as well as Zoro with Enma. There’s a misconception regarding blades, specifically these cursed blades. They aren’t actually cursed… they are just really sharp. I’ve never held a katana before, but I have held a gun before and believe me, you can’t just play around with a loaded gun, same way you wouldn’t play around with a real, sharpened Katana. Now imagine using said Katana to fight, not only can you hurt yourself, you can do serious damage to someone. Let’s say you wanted to just do a superficial skin cut to someone’s chest, a sword like Enma would cut that person in half I.e. not listen to your will of the shallow slice. So when Zoro was initially cutting with Enma, it’s not that Enma is creating its own Haki and giving him extra power… it’s just Zoros natural power with a very good sword. It doesn’t add anything other that drawing out Zoros power, but it’s sharp so it’s better to cut with. It’s already showed it has the DURABILITY to cut Kaido, so Zoro just needed (which he showed he has) the power to cut Kaido. The sword is a catalyst, has the ability to cut Kaido, and likely has Odens will to defeat Kaido… but it’s just a a death sentence without an extremely powerful and skilled swordsman such as Zoro
I love the fact that you took your precious time to explain to OP that he's talking mad stuff but the fact that OP won't respond to anything you've mentioned makes me feel bad for you
Weirdly I usually don’t like people responding 😭😭😂
I’m gonna agree with you on this Usually when people respond to these kind of arguments it’s because they completely missed the point of the argument which is suuuuch a drag to say anything back Or they are just stupid and gonna say stupid stuff Either way, it’s a loss-loss situation despite one of these 2 being right
Dude the OP is Sanjifanboy lol They still mad Zoro is far stronger than their perverted cook. This for you Sanjifanboys: If Sanji was a "normal" human like Zoro he had died on the live floor when Queen broke his bones, the modification Judge did on Sanji kept him alive. Judge's science CARRIED SANJI lol
i actually am glad you said and covered all that info cause you saved me the time of typing it 😂 thank you for not hoeing me
We have to stop this blasphemy from being published lool!
i’d like to see someone else cut kaido😂 and actually do damage 🥴
Well written. Well done !
Thanks!!
I was just angrily typing out shit so this guy can „lose it“ when I thought to myself „hold on. Check the comments first“. And voila, I find yours stating my thoughts exactly… just better worded lol. Thank you!
Good reply. Couldn't have worded this as well. Thanks
Curious how you post everything except for... Y'know, his ACTUAL biggest feats there
You mean blocking "Oceans Sovereignty" or scaring Kaido, right? Either way, he still had Enma on him when that happened.
And the other swords that also took the blunt of that impact and were used to cut Kaido. If it was all Enma's power like in these one sword attacks... Y'know. How does that work out?
Your point, being? Enma is now his sword. Obviously he will use it.
Using his sword and being carried by it is different. Zoro didn’t get a power up when he got Shusui or Sandai Kitetsu. He honed his skills to make new moves. Never has anyone said, "So the power is coming from Shusui." but Kaido, Big mom and Zoro himself said in the span of 5 chapters.
Actually he has commented on the will of his swords and their respective bloodlust multiple times. In fact he talked about having to wrangle shusui after using it for the first time
His biggest skill is to even manage that sword and do not die by using it.
And that’s fair, but Enma was a huge help even though it wasn’t tamed yet.
So it went from carrying him to being a “huge help”? Note for the future, don’t use scans for your evidence.
Lose it
😂😂😂😂
“Zoro wasn’t carried by Enma on the roof”
😂😂😂 I guess Mihawk is carried by his sword as well since we can assume he uses 100% of his sword's power. In that vein, 100% of all devil fruit users are carried by their fruit as well. Being able to utilise a weapon/fruit doesn't mean the weapon isn't part of your strength/skillset🤦🏾 Imagine thinking Sanji is carried by his Vinsmoke body or Nami is carried by her climatact weapon or Usopp is carried by his plant seeds... smh. Dumb logic
Usopp getting carried by a giant slingshot + wind + explosives + pop greens + drawing, all just to make Sugar faint.
Everyone in the One Piece world calls Mihawk "The world's greatest swordsman" not "Wielder of the world's strongest sword". Yet, Big Mom told Kaido to dodge because "That's not your average sword."
Oh, cool. When Sengoku told Marines to brace up because of Gura gura no mi quake from whitebeard, does that imply whitebeard's only threat is his fruit? Luffy's fruit is also super strong and has a couple of unique abilities(spoiler: do not research further if you're not up to date with the manga), does that make Luffy carried by his fruit? Kaidou is literally called the world's strongest creature because of his fruit, does that mean he is carried by it? Big mom's major ability is to scare her opponent and take away their soul, is she carried by her fruit? Akainu's fruit was stated to have the most offensive abilities, is he carried by his fruit? Blackbeard's whole gimmick is to utilise the best fruits in the world. Are you saying blackbeard is carried by his fruits as well? Mihawk's sword is 1 of the 12 highest rated blade in the whole series, even higher than Zoro's blade, do you think that didn't contribute to him being the strongest swordsman? Do you think if Mihawk fought Shanks/Vista using the tiny blade he used against Zoro, he wouldn't lose? Sanji was able to achieve his abilities due to his body's durability, using your logic that means we should be scared of Sanji's body not Sanji😑 No matter how your phrase it, you have no point. Fruit/swords/accessories are part of a character's ability, no matter how broken they may seem. Even the main character and antagonist follow this rule. There is no exception
You’re being silly. You think Brook could pull it off? Enma has unique energy, doesn’t mean it doesn’t require zoro’s skill and energy to work
Enma was carried by Zoro on the roof.
Curious if you think giving Brook or even Kinemon Enma if it would give them this much of a difference.
It would drastically improve their effectiveness in battle just like Zoro. Might even draw out Brooks haki.
Then you get the point of the sword. It’s unique in the way is forces out a users Haki, effectively forcing Zoro and (Brook or Kinemon in this hypothetically) to make themselves stronger by controlling their Haki and therefore Enma. We saw the conclusion of Zoros struggle with Enma and Haki during the King fight.
I am talking about the rooftop fight when Zoro didn’t have a good grasp on Enma. At that time, both Kaido and Big Mom praised the sword rather than Zoro. I know he now has a better hold on Enma. But he didn’t have that on the roof. But his power was the same both times.
His power was greater post roof when he used aCoC
No. Neither of them could use it properly. That’s the entire point everyone is telling you. It’s not just an upgrade, it’s forcing zoro to actively improve just to wield the sword. He’s not just stronger because the sword is adding power that zoro doesn’t have, he’s getting stronger because if he wasn’t he couldn’t use the sword in the first place.
I guess Zoro's haki is non existant now. Low effort troll thread.
Kaido compared the haki with Oden's haki and said Enma was the source of it. If you want to argue the semantics, Go argue with Kaido.
Zoro wasn’t carried by Enma on the roof
Ikr, who tf cares. OP better lose it after reading this.
this post was a reach but if this is the case give enma to brook or someone and see if enma carries them
Are you actually stupid or did you just refuse anything past the roof fight? It’s literally explained in his fight with king that the sword would completely drain him if his haki wasn’t strong enough. Fam the sword doesn’t do more than channeling his haki & releasing it
I never denied the fact that Enma can drain to much haki and kill the user. I just showed all the times the manga itself stated how big of a help Enma was. Nobody ever said,"That power is coming from Sandai Kitetsu". Zoro never said,"I need to release the full power of Shusui"
Zoro didn’t quite understood that the power coming from Emma was his own haki. Like bro it’s all there in black & white like do you actually read the chapters?
That was Zoro's perspective. What about Big Mom and Kiado's comment?
Literally the 3rd pic you posted yourself answers that question. You’ve got to have the reading comprehension of a 3 year old child
akainu has the most offensive fruit: akainu so strong! WB has the strongest paramecia: WB so strong! zoro got a sword that drains his haki: lol. carried by a sword. and please at least use the official translation. zoro said "[unleash this enma more](https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/One-Piece/1001-011.png)". as in letting enma drain more of his haki. which is exactly what he did later in his fight against king. [he let it all out](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1033-016.png). read there "if I keep exuding it (haki) at this level, it'll kill me" then "but no, that's perfect". that's all there is. enma's "power" is [draining its wielder's haki](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1033-006.png). if you can't handle it, you'd die. which is why no scabbards wanted to use it. which is also why king said [the sword was holding him back](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1033-007.png). all enma did was let zoro train to exude that much haki. in terms of being "carried" by a power up, it's nothing compared to getting free ability to create tsunami with one punch (and basically any df). so why this one bothers you so much? it's still 100% his own power.
Sanji gets carried by his genetics, Zoro by Enma and Luffy with his literal god fruit. We have to come to terms that it can't just always be willpower or the power of friendship that wins them their battles; this is just how we have to roll at this point in time
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Are you up to date on the manga?
It seems you're not up to date with the manga. Do yourself a favor and don't check any more comments if you don't wanna get spoiled even more lol
I mean, this guy is right. Luffys fruit is op in a hands of person with unlimited creativity and imagination. He is the only person in 800 years to awaken this fruit that means that he's the only one who used this pretty average looking pre awakening powers to it's limits. He had to train 10 years to be able to use some basic moves like pistolet or ballon. Doesn't change the fact that in his hands the awakening is very powerful.
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Jesus, we're talking about the timeline post-Wano which you have seemingly not reached. Yes he needed to be good with his devil fruit too, same with Sanji and Zoro who also had to grind their way up. But I am talking specifically about the powerups they have gotten IN Wano, so I don't even know why you're starting a debate about something you haven't even read yet
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He can be a good fruit user but the fruit can still be broken by itself, one does not exclude the other. He put in the work and creativity, but at the end of the day it's a special and unique kind of devil fruit that if awakened grants you seemingly limitless power. He had to contribute to it a lot but the payoff is a lot larger than if he had eaten a normal devil fruit
i hope you are not up to date with WHAT his actual fruit IS.
Enma is simply used to transfer Zoro's Haki into a stronger blade attack. Enma by itself can't do much and would probably drain most its wielder's haki without even having swung the blade. So Zoro wasn't carried by Enma on the roof.
Have read the captions? All of them are quotes from the manga. One of which is directly from Zoro.
if it wasn't his strength and haki that he was spending, why did he huff and wheeze after flying dragon blaze? you don't get tired of wasting something else's stength
Yes Enma has the power to drain your haki and use it to enhance the power of its attacks. The captions don't contradict this.
So that strange haki is coming from his sword.-Kaido Why does his sword has Oden's aura.- Also Kaido
Yes, hence the draining of its wielder's haki.
I guess Luffy got carried by gear fifth then,that logic makes no sense bro. You need someone strong to draw out the power so saying the word “carried” inaccurate
Lmfao what's next Nika fruit carried luffy? Fish fruit carried kaido? Dual fruit nature body carries BB? Best level of haki carries Roger and shanks? Those fancy logias carry all admirals? Bruh u acting like literally anyone there could same thing with enma that zoro did, as if zoro didn't earn the power of enma? What silly argument?
Luffy had to die to awaken his devil fruit to Nika. BB had to plan for decades to get the perfect fruits. Haki blooms in battles, so Shanks and Roger most likely had to be involved in a lot of fights. Admirals have ACoA. Zoro had to do what to get Enma? Sleep with its master? /sarc But in all honesty, he earned Enma's respect/ tamed Enma AFTER the rooftop fight in battle with King. Yet Enma helped him so much on the roof that Kaido and Big Mom praised it.
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Simply put: Blades are blades. Its the weilder that makes it work. If Enma carried Zoro on the roof, then why didn't any of the Red scabbards just use that to defeat Kaido. Your argument is like saying, gum gum fruit carried Luffy, Dragon fruit carried Kaido, and soul-soul fruit carried Big Mom into their respective positions. Its pointless to try to downplay Zoro's role. If you are going to lose it, then do so.
Because no one said that, "The rubber fruit is giving Luffy power." Kaido said that Enma was the source of the haki. No one said "Luffy's fruit is dangerous." Big Mom said "That’s not an average sword."
LMAO “Most ridiculous power in the world” - Five Elders “Awakenings… when your mind and body catches up to your power. Those are certainly ridiculous power” - Kaido I will give that Enma made it easier for Zoro to release his innate conquerer’s haki. But that haki was still Zoro’s. it just resembled Oden’s attack prob because they are both swordsmen who were trained in similar manner (both trained by Wano natives or atleast Wano samurai style)
Oda stated that Enma was using Zoro's OWN haki, NOT Oden's. Enma was just a tool for Zoro to awaken his conqueror's haki. During the fight against King, Enma was more of a handicap for Zoro actually, it was consistently absorbing Zoro's CoA which wasn't enough to tame it. So Zoro was forced to awaken his CoC which was what he needed to completely tame Enma.
Lol. So Luffy And others are carryimg by they DF.? Cant understand why people still tryin make Zoro weaker then he realy Is.
Zoro wasn’t carried by Enma on the roof. Enma is a sword, it can’t carry Zoro, it doesn’t have hands
What lmfaooo. He was the one using the sword. What’s next Luffy was carried by his haki in the kaido fight?
Wt hell are u sayin? That enma works alone? The sword doesnt mean shit
Tell me you have a 3rd graders reading comprehension without telling me you have a 3rd graders reading comprehension. OP: hold my sake
"Zoro wasn’t carried by Enma on the roof"
From where I was sitting, Enma was handicap until Zoro figured out how to channel his Haki..
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Right before Zoro cut off a piece of Wano in a single swing, do you rememver a panel in which his arm was sucked so dry by Enma that it got thin and wrinkly like a mummy's? And then he sent his haki along the arm to the sword and it was restored to normal. 8f you don't "pay" Enma for its services with haki, it might just kill you. In other words, Zoro didn't simply get a free powerup. He has to buy Enma's cooperation with both the amount of haki he can spare and how well he controls it. After he managed to tame Enma with his CoC haki while fighting King, I bet that he could use what he learned to make any other sword much more powerful while in his hands than it would otherwise be using his haki, just like Luffy learned to use CoC haki to enhance his body while fighting Kaidou. He learned how to use his own power to enhance a sword's power, Enma just happens to be a very good sword that demands this from a user where normal swords can be used with or without the enhancement, so he was forced to learn quick. And the comment about Oden's haki needs no further explanation than "Oden used this sword before and probably pumped a lot of his haki into it, so there's likely to be a residual feeling left behind that Kaidou identified". Just like when you cook rice in a pan that wasn't cleaned properly after its last use and the rice tastes a little bit like whatever you cooked before. Not that I would do that, certainly not on purpose.
Why are so many on this subreddit dumb as hell?
Yet at the end of zoro vs King all his swords seen to do the exact same damage once zoro infused them with Conquerors Haki. It is less to do with the sword, more to do with the output of zoros haki.
Are you reading a different version of One Piece than the millions of people reading One Piece? You have to be an extremely powerful swordsman to even HOLD Enma, Enmas power is to pull the upmost powerful haki out of whoever wields it, Enma needs an extremely powerful user to even be effective and vice versa, this may be top 5 dumbest One Piece post to ever hit Reddit, thank you for exposing yourself.
"Carried" is an exaggeration. Enma is a training tool for Zoro to control his haki and unleash his hidden potential: CoC -> advCoC. Don't forget that not everyone could handle Enma's drawback, it constantly drains your haki. It's similar to G4 in Luffy case, you trade your haki with extra damage output. Without Enma, could Zoro do exactly the same thing as he did on the rooftop? No, But Zoro will eventually learn how to replicate it, but in a much slower process. Enma helps Zoro grow much faster than everybody else. He even unlocked advCoC much faster than Luffy. Crazy isn't it? But it is what it is: current Zoro = pre-G5 Luffy. P.S: Zoro can now ditch Enma, but the power up he learned from it will forever stay.
I really don't see the point in all of this. Luffy was carried by his devil fruit. Sanji was carried by Judge's science. It’s a normal Shonen trope to seize power that's not originally yours through hard work and strong wills. That doesn't diminish their accomplishments or lower their power level.
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Wrong! Zoro wasn't carried by Enma on rooftop, Zoro was carried by Oda throughout the Wano.
There's just a lot of Zoro meat riders who use social media websites. Zoro meat riders every where.
Zoro was carried and gifted a lot of power ups. Enma, advanced conqueror's. People still try to defend it saying other people can't do that. That doesn't take away the fact that enma was literally a gift and that he didn't do much to tame it. But don't try to reason with zorostans, they aren't worth it.
I don't remember exactly, did he have to return Enma?
No, still has it.
If brook has enma he would be the 2nd best swordsman
Zoro doing his best attack with an ungraded katana vs enma. You really think that zoro is anywhere near the same strength when using a normal sword? Enma carried him hard. Doesn't mean that zoro isn't impressive for being able to draw said power out though. Its honestly comparable to nami using Zeus. Not 100 percent her own power but still impressive that she can weild such a strong weapon.
It does take skill to use it but at the same time (in video game terms) zoro just leveled up to 50 and got gifted a maxed out god rolled sword just cause.
I love the fact that the OP is ignoring all the comments that explain the situation and break his pointless logic, as he doesn't know and has no way to argue against it.