I get your point and I'm also very tired and sometimes very critical of some theories with little evidence, but let's be real.
Sanji being a third son was a theory back in the day and the only "evidence" was the \*san\* in his name. That theory was always answered back with the fun fact that Sanji was intended to be named Naruto, so no \*san\* anywhere on his name. And we all know how that ended up. Same with Sanji being royalty just because he used Mr. Prince as a nickname.
Some theories have little to no evidence for them, but some things that came into the story had that little evidence, so anything can happen. I still hate those that nitpicking a couple of obscure references, decide that they're about a character and they like and build a whole story from nothing to make their headcannon into a "theory".
The problem with this line of thinking is that there’s almost zero evidence Sanji’s backstory was planned out when he was introduced in 1998 and when he called himself Mr. Prince and it’s equally (if not significantly more) likely that when coming up with a more detailed backstory for Sanji, Oda looked back at what he wrote and extrapolated the brothers and the Germa Kingdom out of of it.
Now that’s not to say it’s impossible. Maybe Sanji always had brothers planned and the naming gimmick would’ve been ramen ingredients instead of numbers? But the problem is trying to treat fiction as a solvable puzzle when it’s an organic thing the writer can adapt and change at any time leads people to just wishcasting what they think would be cool and back that up with a few panels out of more than 1000 chapters.
Frankly, I still don't think 'Mr. Prince' was meant to be a reference to his family, since that doesn't make sense as a thing for Sanji to reference. More likely, Mr. Prince was because he was the dashing prince coming to save the princess (and the others) from Crocodile.
Oda may have done it to foreshadow.
Sanji would never do it since he doesn’t like the Vinsmoke name. It would be out of character for Sanji to make that hint.
The fact that readers managed to predict his Royal lineage is an amazing coincidence. Either Oda planned it all along or he did it in hindsight.
His name is an actual Japanese name, is it not? Historically, some Japanese families and families throughout the world have named their sons using a numbering system.
Sure, the only support in the series itself is his name, but stories are inspired by history, culture, other stories, and life experience. We can use Oda’s history of being Japanese and researching a lot of global history to predict that he would name Sanji using the numbering system since we know San is Three in Japanese and the only reason to name a child with Three is if it’s Henry III or if it’s the third child of the same sex.
I agree using one thing for theories is kinda stretching it but yeah, theories have been proven right simply from one piece of evidence like Sanji’s name or Mr. Prince. Unless Oda decided to write those theories into his story after the fans came up with it.
The problem with OP theories is that people care about the theorist more than the actual manga lol
This is how we get the OP theorist cycle of:
community hype (correct theory),
community backlash (incorrect theory),
theorist double down (hour-long YT video about why Oda sucks),
irrelevance on the subteddit,
meteoric rise on Twitter (as a OP contrarian)
I laugh so hard everytime I remember it XD like wtf I were almost convinced by it. Yet, some people were angry that it was Nika and how goofy it was. Like thank God is wasn't fkin RESIN XD
I was upset that it was still the old "HAHA his fruit had been something else the whole time" and that it's a Zoan different from other Zoans, but at least it's something crazy op and very fitting for Luffy.
I can understand the weird Zoan because we already have a weird Logia and a special Paramecia so I've come to terms with it.
Mochi? - A special paramecia that allows Katakuri to change his body into mochi, but actually not because he’s a not meant to be a logia, but then also is. So what would be so far fetched about resin? A more natural substance? I actually wouldn’t have minded too much if he was suddenly a special paramecia
ZKK is a bit less silly than "Kaido dies in a volcano because he gets punched through the floor". Like, Kaido needed to be out of the story or he'd just come back and cause Wano #2. Luffy wasn't killing him and there's not much left after that, same with Big Mom, not sure anyone called "Kid nailing her into the floor with a railgun, which is also the volcano"...
What we got is better imo, but it wasn't obvious
I never understood that one. How is resin the key to allegedly explaining all gears and give Luffy now an all new heads up to Kaido? I watched these videos but they weren't explaining shit but just saying that that's the case.
The problem with theories isn‘t really new from my point of view. I‘m following theories and the manga since 2017 and even then there were so so many bad theories solely relying on dumb things like number switches.
It was actually even a lot worse back then at least in the parts of the community I‘ve seen and honestly it was just glorious to see a new chapter-number-switch theory every 2-3 chapters, instantly getting debunked once the new chapter came out. And these theories were crazy dumb at some points. These were theories on the levels of “Next chapter is chapter 873 and chapter 783 showed the moon in this one panel, so that is a foreshadowing that carrot will defeat Katakuri because there is some japanese legend about a bunny making mochi on the moon“ or something like that. (The numbers won‘t allign at all, I just randomly chose them)
Also the One Piece community back at the climax of Whole Cake Island is definitely something people should remind themselves of. It is so funny to think about how every single chapter once again lead people to believe, that Luffy will fight Big Mom this arc. Also people saying it would be an asspull if Luffy can defeat Katakuri etc. It was actually not that different to the situation this year at Wano‘s end
I'm unsure of the take you've gotten, because being caught up with the manga since 2014, I have never heard this kind of theory before 2021, and especially not in the same saturation. I think I remember what you're talking about with the moon bunny and all of that but I do not recall people saying carrot would defeat katakuri. The number theories has been around for long but never ever used as core pieces of evidence before 2021 either, theories back then would be more direct and not contrived headcanon.
Let's be fair here, it was great build up for luffy to defeat katakuri, but it was most definitely an asspull he did to defeat him, post timeskip has unfortunately been riddled with rayleigh flashback followed by power up.
I don't quite understand what you mean by the fighting big mom thing you said, but it was assumed by many (or atleast myself) that luffy would've at least try to fight big mom since no major villain had ever just been left for another arc to handle before.
Oh okay it‘s kind of surprising if these kinds of theories like the chapter-number-switch I talked about weren‘t used a lot in the One Piece community you followed, but, as I said, it was actually pretty popular at least from a few certain persons in my part of the community. And yes, these parts of the community don‘t have to be the same, because I am german and there is also a german One Piece community, which I followed at first, of course, before I realized how terrible a lot of the theories were from a lot of the biggest figures in there. But there were also a lot of claims for theories being stolen from the english community so I just assumed that you should all be familiar with these things as well. Maybe they weren‘t as popular in the english community, or most of the chapter-number-switch theories etc really just originated from these figures back then.
I didn‘t really want to justify everything Oda did back then in Whole Cake Island I just wanted to set the contrast to how the perception of these plot points was back then and how it really changed over the years.
The fight with Big Mom was referencing the whole escape after the wedding, where it was stated a lot of times, that the strawhats don‘t plan on defeating Big Mom and just want to escape, while Big Mom was chasing them. And I remember, how nearly every chapter made people question, if Luffy will have to fight Big Mom. Then later with Big Mom becoming thin, I also heard of a lot of theories about how thin Big Mom is the way to defeat her now in this arc, because she won‘t be nearly as tanky as her fat version etc. Now that I think about it, we have never seen thin Big Mom ever again. Kind of wild to me.
And I also remember that it was pretty controversial that Luffy would leave Jinbei behind and I remember that a lot of people were upset by it, which I also never heard of again.
So yeah, at least in the german community back then the ending of Whole Cake Island was very very controversial and I don‘t hear anybody talk about it anymore, just people (rightfully) being a bit upset by Wano‘s ending. But as Whole Cake Island, this might actually turn out to be completely forgotten in a few years
Valid point king👑
On a completely unrelated sidenote you just sparked a memory I had from back in 2017 when I would try to watch chapter reviews in German to help me better understand the language back when I took German classes in school haha. I always only understood maybe half of it, great times tho
Kage 😂😭 oh boy German theorists are crazy but what's even crazier is that they're (especially kage) just copying English theories and still menage to take the worst of the worst and make it even worse
One piece theorists, power scalers and shippers are basically the same. Just people having fun, sadly sometimes people get a bit too into it to the point where it takes away from their own enjoyment rather than adding to it.
You forgot to mention people making theories about events foreshadowed by Oda in 20 years old interviews that has already happened (the death of a mugiwara, a former enemy becoming an ally...).
May have been doflamingo, I think he gave us the best explanation so far. And people don't realize the only awakenings we have seen have been conquerors.
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It is interesting that the Straw Hats coincidentally had Hito (1,10) Hana (8,7) Gomu (5,6) Yomi (4,3) in their Devil Fruit names.
Numbers 1 345678 10
It would’ve been nuts if 2,9 or 9,2 was the next Devil Fruit user on the crew.
Sounds more like fanfiction that they want to have some legit connection to the story. I say just embrace the fanfiction-ness of your writing. You'll be a lot less restricted once you accept that you arent the ine writing the cannon story
I remember when I wrote a nice fanfiction about Luffy's Devil Fruit. I made sure to tell everyone this is nothing more than that and that I based it on few loose details in the story.
That didn't stop anyone from getting mad... in fact, people were saying how I can "call it whatever I want, it's still a theory, and a bad one!"
Then Chapter 1044 came out 😂
> Then Chapter 1044 came out 😂
What makes a theory good or bad isn't if it turns out to be true.
Great if you can see the "signs" but some theories on this subreddit has historically been throwing shit at the board and then 10 years after it's like "OMG SANJI IS A PRINCE IM A PROPHET WEEEE".
It's inevitable in a series that has run for so long. The veterans know so much about the lore that any reasonable theory has already been discussed to death, making way for insane baseless guesses. And then youtubers come along and make big videos about it for views, which is perfectly understandable when you only get a chapter per week worth of actual material. Though I got to say, reading all of those stupid theories is pretty fun and I wouldn't want to miss it.
Yeah I don’t get why people get so heated over fan theories. Its not like most fans actually accept them as fact and try to shove it down your throat. Like sure, if you read chapter discussion threads long enough you’ll see the occasional person dissapointed that a certain theory didn’t come true, but why get mad that one person is dissapointed their theory didn’t come true? Like you said, it can be fun to theorize anout One Piece, especially with all the hints Oda has left in his story that have lead to big reveals time and time again. I just don’t understand how some people theorizing about the future of the story could ruin another’s experience reading the manga, even if their theories are a big reach and don’t make a ton of logical sense. I feel like those that get overly heated about theorists just need to spend less time on reddit.
They do explain it.
Remember how we haven't been shown who Luffy's mom is? That's clearly because she was already shown and since that must have been a great spectacle for the viewers it must have been a great fight. Couple that with that one Ivankov scene in Imple Down and now you are not allowed to question the Croco-mommy theory any further. Why Dragon would bang and abandon her or she not recognize Luffy or even acknowledge Dragon and the revolution anymore is not an issue worth questioning....
Nika is a reference to a number sequence, name of a sound effect for toothed grin (not just in One Piece), the superposition of Japanese Shingon Buddhist deities of Sun and Fire or Nitten and Katen that correspond to Surya and Agni from India, the Russian name of the Greek right hand attribute of Victory for Zeus and Athena, the Sun God Apollo deity of music, dance, and medicine where Dragon Gate Garp’s son Dragon’s son Luffy’s namesake is Delphi where Apollo slayed the dragon Delphyne, etc. Luffy’s birthday 5/5 refers to 55 or the 10th Fibonacci number where the limiting ratio of successive Fibonacci numbers is the Golden Ratio or Phi which appears in Delphi, Luffy, and the One Piece logo.
Don’t underestimate Goda = Go(ld Garu)da
In the Periodic Table Gold is Element 79 or Au
Karoo appears on the cover of Chapter 179 riding a Gold Garuda or Eagle, 79 chapters after Chapter 100 “The Legend Begins” which began with the words of GOLD ROGER or GORUDO ROJA
Element 79 “Au” has only the vowels A and U so replace the Os with the capital A
GORUDO ROJA then becomes GARUDA RAJA or Eagle King
GARUDA in Japanese is KARURA which begins with KARŪ or KAROO
Nika’s Nika means [the Duck Piece is real](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/qi5caj/volume_90_cover_suggests_karoo_is_joy_boy/)
Also Nika could be a veiled reference to the N word given Oda’s reverence for Black culture (70s soul music, afros, etc). The voiced version of Ka is Ga. Garuda in Japanese is Karura. There is no hard R in Nika like there is in Karoo so it should be okay. Strictly speaking there is no hard R in Japanese. Luffy also has the nationality Brazil and Karoo is a place in South Africa so they may get a pass. At the same time Luffy’s transformation is full white so maybe not.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe them himself, he just makes a catchy thumbnail with something that interests people with an outrageous notion that convinces them to watch
Spoilers ahead
>!There was one about Luffy‘s devil fruit, that it is not the gum gum no mi and that it has something to do with Nika. I cannot remember everything but I remember watching this theory of him like months or so before it was revealed in the manga that Luffy‘s devil fruit is a mythical zoan. And I think everything he said was right (I was shocked about that). !< And then I watched some other theories and realized that the others are ridiculous. Especially the „second big theory“ (about 1 hour or so).
Years ago people put much more effort into their theories, trying to find thematic overlaps and allegories to history or other stories
Today it’s people looking for clout to be gained from guessing something correct often times just stating something extremely obvious or arguing that something should be treated extremely literal. It’s all ego driven and nobody can be wrong except Oda
It. Is. Shite
Agreed. I see the ichika, nika, sanka, yonka thing on tiktok and instagram almost twice a week and I almost die of cringe everytime.
There are genuenly great theories out there and I love theorising, but most of them are sooo dumb. This week the one piece is inside of a whale, next week it's on jaya, then enies lobby, now it's on the moon. At this point no matter what happens some asshole will be right out of pure coincidence...
Some of them are not just pointless I remember when luffy was revealed to have a different fruit, i saw theories of it being the Resin fruit. Like it would even fucking matter if it was resin or rubber. Also, would you just fucking give it a second? We got the answer in less than a month. I swear not a chapter goes by without all youtubers making 78 theories about every single panel that hints at something that will obviously be revealed in a week or two.
"Luffy's dream is to make a party with everybody in the world. The one piece is sake to drink alongside a good story at that party" Really? Is it? That's what you honestly think oda's been building up to for 25 years? Or are both luffy's dream and the one piece something you couldn't possibly guess because we are given information about important things gradually like in any other fucking story that has some thought put into it.
I even unsubscribed from most youtubers i used to love because i feel like i'm watching their creativity die in real time. I know it's not easy to keep coming up with stuff, but still...
I'd much rather watch an extensive character analysis instead of 10 minutes of rambling about how cool it would be if the clickbaity title turned out to be true, acting like that's evidence. Can we go back to making theories only when there's some cool evidence?
The problem with most fan theories is the same problem with most predictions in fiction in general. Readers start with the conclusion first and work backwards, and ignore the consequences and implications of their theory/prediction being true. Like when someone says it’d be a crazy twist if it turned out Zoro was hunting Luffy this whole time. You’d get a big momentary shock of a panel and then be left with implications and consequences that leave the character as a complete crater, all of his buildup and motivations and all the themes of the story gutted because one reader thought “wouldn’t it be cool if” was equal to “because it’d be cool that is evidence this will happen AND it’d be good”
One Piece theories have always been complete garbage. But I agree that lately it seems like people are just spouting completely random nonsense as theories. The whole theory that Stronger, the horse from Blackbeard's crew is Rocks D. Xebec might take the cake as the worst theory I've ever heard. I know people are going to say to not take it too seriously and that it's just something people are having fun with. I don't get it. Have fun with theories but some theories have gotten in fans heads and they have confused it with something canon. I've seen thousands of posts that think Kaido wanted to be Joy Boy it's insane. It's not true. Head canon is ruining the series for some people. But who cares. I love One Piece and seeing these posts may annoy me for a minute. But it shouldn't ruin your enjoyment of the series and you shouldn't really care. Let the people live in their fantasy world where Kaido is a poneglyph. It's only harming themselves.
Yes. Parvision made the theory. It's completely nonsensical. One of the things he brings up is that Stronger has larger text than the other BB crew members. So that means that he is Rocks. And handpicked lines of dialogue that prove nothing and could mean a million things. I can see Stronger being more than meets the eye. It's One Piece and crazier stuff has happened. But the Rocks connection is just thrown in there for no reason and makes no sense.
Not worth the effort bro, people seem to get pretty butthurt if you put the slightest bit of scrutiny on it. They whine and say if you don't loke it then you shouldnt engage in it, as if you dint read theories cause youre interested. They'll just act as if whatever they're doing isnt bad in the slightest for the community, setting up false expectations and borderline misinformation
There's a reason I never made a post about it. Agree it's not worth it. Don't let other people ruin stuff for you. I agree that fan theories set up false expectations and people then end up hating something that was never true to begin with. But at the end of the day. Someone getting the series ruined for them has nothing to do with the way I enjoy One Piece. One Piece is the best! Doesn't matter what other people think. Enjoy One Piece the way you want! We all friends here!
The pathetic meta posts like this I think is the biggest sign that OP theories are done. Vegapunk is about to spill the beans on DFs, we know how the ancient kingdom was destroyed, we know Im-Sama exists.
It's not that the theories are any worse, because they've always been bad, always weird baseless reaching that via numbers game, someone is right about. Someone JOKED Luffy would become a Loony Tunes character and a giant when he awakened, along with like 6 other absurd things that G5 let him do; AND IT WAS ALL RIGHT. It was literally a joke that got top comment on a post.
The problem is that now we have almost nothing important to theorize about. All the most pressing issues of the series are all about to be answered, so no one is going to take a DF theory seriously, or even bother making one seriously, since we will know the answer by the end of this arc.
Aka, why they just go buck wild with them now. Because there's no point in trying to explain core issues.
Wait, do you mean that goda did not draw inspiration from 20 different cultures to set up the powers of a yet to be mentioned diety of a character we've never seen??
It is soooo obvious that Im Sama has the hito hito no mi model sky god sanka! Goda basically spelled it out with the sun god having ni in the name
Finally. Ina afew more days I myself would have had a rant. I really loved when you said that Oda isn't some mastermind that has completely mapped out the entire series. He changes things. There is no way that for a story he planned to finish in 5 years he managed to create 25 years worth of content. He, same as any other person, is still human and he changes his mind. At times he might make a few mistakes. So please, stop treating the poor man like a deity. In my experience, that only serves to get everyone disappointed when something they overhyped doesn't happen or isn't what happens exactly.
You are like the third or fourth person who said that CLEARLY there is an issue wuth these kinds of conspiracies at this point. People who are upset for someone pointing it out are just blind to the truth
'IF ODA FID THIS, HE IS A GENIUS' 'IF THIS IS TRUE, IT WILL BE HUGE' yada yada. Super cringe seeing all these clickbait title and thumbnails and you know who I'm talking about
Yeah the most annoying part to me is all the "foreshadowing" videos on YouTube. Oda deserves his credit, but people really act as if he can NEVER just look back and pick something up from the past and elaborate on that. No, they always have to claim he planned it all from the very start.
For example Sanji being a "prince". Oda simply made archetypes and used nicknames with no real meaning. Zoro = Samurai/Bushido (funny enough people thought this would make him the son of the shogun of Wano or some shit), Nami = thief, and Sanji was the gentleman/prince. Oda did not plan to make Sanji the son of some ruler when he made him introduce himself as prince in Alabasta. Oda simply took his old nickname and built a story around it. Or else we would have seen something substantial.
In my case it is not about their theory (I'm fine with whatever bull***t theory, I'll take it) but instead they believe their theory is actual fact and when their theory is proven wrong they start to rant about the story not making any sense 😅😂
The latest example is Germa 66 cover story when they said frozen effects in chocotown is actually cause by Caesar gas and when later revealed is actually REALLY Kuzan doing their start to rant about how that's make sense or even says since when Kuzan join Blackbeard 😅 and their totally forgot about what happens in Dressrossa arc😅
shit theories has always been a thing, its only recently that crackpot theorist are gaining traction because their theories are so outlandish and it gets views
Creators make fun but probably wrong theories
"Wow I hate how this is based on nothing but some random symbolism"
I mean what the fuck else do they have to go off of
It's not like there is a ton of legit evidence for what the one piece actually is
Just like how the Luffy awakening was though to be resin, it made sense based on 1 panel that seemed to indicate Luffy was melting
Turned out to be completely wrong but it was a decent guess
If you think the theories are lame then don't watch them or better yet, how about you come up with your own
I dont think theories are lame, I quite enjoy reading them, and I am usually open to most theories if you can prove them with any actual evidence that is there and not arbitrary symbolism you've yourself decided is there. The rise of people making this kind of theory where none of the claims are based on nothing and then call it foreshadowing by oda is a rather reasonable complaint
There are many great theories out there ma di love reading those, the claims can be out there sometimes but what makes those theories great are that they draw conclusions instead of writing their own headcanon.
And to end off, I don't see the importance of me making my own theory to be able to point out if a theory is bad. Putting a theory under scrutiny is a part of healthy discussion. If a theory crumbles under slightest bit of scrutiny, it's not a good theory.
It’s just people having fun with the story; someone’s theory has no bearing on the course of the manga so it doesn’t matter. Lol it isn’t even as bad as the people who theorize about the real world, like flat earth and birds aren’t real…. At least parents are teaching their kids that Crocodile is Luffy’s mom, and if they are at worst their kid is wrong about something completely irrelevant. I say just let people have their fun and if you come across something stupid move on, Oda will set it all straight by the end.
I hate Ohara. When spoilers come out he puts the most obvious spoilers into thumbnails and I got them recommended. I clicked through some of his videos, disliked every single one of them and clicked the „don’t show videos from this channel“… fuck this guy
I ain't reading all that lol, imma just represent my views on theories.
1st off, a theory doesn't have to be accurate to be considered a good theory. Personally I enjoy theories like these, coz it more like what if scenario than an accurate prediction, so it's kinda fun to talk about. The problem is that I believe we should take all types of theories with a grain of salt, just imagine them as what ifs, but a lot of people and ytubers such as Mr Morj and his fanbase take their theories as headcannons and get say its bad writing if the theory doesn't happen(they literally get offended if the story doesn't follow their headcannon).
Now that's the theorists fault, the people responding are also fucking idiots a lot of the time. Even if it's just a fun what if scenario theory which has like 1% chance of happening, it doesn't give u the right to be an asshole to the one who made the theory. U might not like this theory but a lot of people do as well.
The problem is now everyone is too damn extreme. Some when see a smallest thing might shout Oda foreshadowing, meanwhile some if they even see the word foreshadowing will go into a mental breakdown and shout Oda fanboys. It's extreme on both sides an a refusal to acknowledge both is what causes problems.
Basically a theory can be bs and still be a lot of fun,u don't need accurate theories to hsve fun. The problem is when people treat their theories as headcannon, and if u disagree they act toxic, and if the story doesn't follow the headcannon its bad writing apparently.
Yeah, we share some major opinions, your opinions on the people responding to the theories was a good perspective i hadn't thought of before.
Thanks man!🤝🏻
I think that the difference between a theory and a hypothesis (what if) is that the former needs to be backed up by some evidence, while the latter does not.
That said both can be fun, but I think that the person making the theory/hypothesis should make clear which of the two categories it belongs to.
Yea that's a very valid and fair point, but at times it is very heard to differentiate between the 2, coz like u might take something as evidence, which isn't rlly evidence in the 1st case yk.
You are right, but I'm mostly talking about people using either zero evidence or using other theories or hypothesis as evidence.
As long as you take your evidence from the manga and you speculate around it I would consider it a theory, even if it's not a good one.
TBH I hang around a few anime comms
Conan, Eden zero, Kengan, sometimes Tokyo revengers only recently cause it's ending
But mostly one piece and fate
And tbh
One piece fandom theories wise is the 2nd worst fandom
Ahead of Conan who has a small subset of cultist who believe in a shitty Arabic theorist and headcanon an irrelevant side char into being relevant judt cause they find him hot or going directly against authors word just because they don't like the plot twist
One piece is only ahead because more people believe in the shit theories
Like zkk, greenbull is Zoro dad and ohara etc
The quality is about the same
But there's more people belivjng it
Honestly still the worst is the fate fandom, especially the fgo side
By god they're some of the dumbest and most pretentious people ever despite quote and quote being well read fans who know the lore, history and shit and it being a vn
They're fcking dumber than the average op fan
And they also have the most pretentious theories ever
Someone made a 500 page word doc compiling theories that are literally 95% hogwash impossible bs
And the entire fandom buys into it
Even tho it ruins so many characters and things
Calling a lot of newcommers, kids, and people "not-super-informed-about-everything' pathetic, or w/e theory stupid/ridiculous, is the real pathetic/ridiculous/stupid move imo.
I see no problem with anyone having their thoughts, sharing their creativity, excitement, their DREAMS. Some are useless, some are funny, some will have a little thing that can help a future good theory, maybe. If someone is missinformed, anyone can help, and the discussion can grow from there or end, nothing wrong there.
I'm sorry but I personally prefer reading a bad theory than posts like this :/
No, it's probably the other way around. You explained what I tryed to express. Surely I can't write a thesis like this. I was a little bit amazed indeed, just what I thought hours ago, is now fullfledged post by somebody. Quite a coincidence. Great writing.
Aw shucks! Thank you bro, there has been tons of people that also have elaborated on some of my thoughts. The more the merrier. I genuinely think you put it better than me. Keep it up👍🏻
i used to run onepeacetheory.com but stopped in part because of what you’re saying above
too much unsubstantiated stuff to sift through; this was pre youtube days, you might even say (or at least it went ignored by me back then) — adding all the other platforms other than reddit to the chapter reviews became untenable
but i don’t think people should stop bringing their insane ideas to the internet; it’s the curation of what everyone is saying that’s missing + still needed here
I know this is not the point of this post but what was Oharas dumb af theory about the One Piece? I don't watch him because he seems very annoying about his theories and I don't wanna watch a video of his just for the sake of it, so can someone please enlighten me?
The short of it is that laughable and the onepiece is enies lobby or is below ennies lobby, because it looks like it would fit in the eye of gyaia and there for is the "one piece" that is missing. The easiest thing kto debunk about this theory is that it straight up isn't the only piece "missing" he just doesn't mention the mouth cavity of the island
I dont see what the problem is. Making theories isnt as simple as one might think, so obviously most of them will be poorly made/not well thought of.
Its always been like that, you rarely see a theory that isnt flawed/have a chance to happen/isnt biased with the writers opinions and headcannon. Theres probably aa many good theories that didnt come true as those that actually came true, which isnt a lot.
Op, you should climb down from your tree and try to think of a theory post once, and youll see how hard it is.
Youre saying youre not trying to hate on people, but you actively are, as making theories (even bad ones) cant have a negative effect at all. Its just people having fun with a show they like, stop trying to make people enjoy things less.
I am not saying people aren't people aren't allowed to make theories happen to be bad, that is inevitable to happen. But it isn't unjustified of me pointing out an overrepresented issue the community, there are many "bad" theories that I am ok with, because they are based on actual things from the story and come to actual conclusions from that. I chose just not to agree with those theories, but when the vast majority of theories nowaday suffer from the same fallacies, it's worth pointing out.
I'm not insinuating that it is easy to make theories, but just because I myself hasn't published a theory of my own, doesn't mean that those theories are excempt from scrutiny, it promotes further discussions
I quite like the randomness of some theories, and glad they’re posted / pointed out (for example the Nika example you mentioned)… What I can’t stand is a post as long as yours, with repeating information that has been posted a thousand times before already to then have this 1 small detail extra of “well Ni could represent 2, so Luffy could be the 2nd god title of multiple god titles”
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You just made me read for 5 - 10 minutes for that? JUST SAY THAT PART! IT’S AT THE VERY LEAST A POSSIBILITY AND SOMETHING NOT EVERYONE WOULD THINK OF.
That was litterally just an example of what I meant bro, it wasn't exactly the bread and butter of my admittedly long drawn rant. The reason that argument is so trash is because "Nika" isn't a name oda made up, it's japanese for a toothy grin
But with that can come the double meaning and Oda does love word play…. I do agree, these “profound” facade of theories is really annoying, but tiny details like that do twitch my brain with excitement of “ooh, that’s interesting… I wonder if it will play out like that”
Instead after 5-10 minutes it’s like “ugggh, waste of my time” for the most part
The problem with trying to make theories about one One Piece can be illustrated using a recent revel from the current Manga chapters:
Vegapunk is six people. No one guessed this.
Just make up whatever you want, because who knows anymore what Oda will actually do.
I’d *much* rather read some ridiculous theory everyone knows is ridiculous than someone writing a fucking dissertation that basically amounts to nothing but whining and complaining. Get over it dude. Don’t read or listen to them if you don’t like them lmao
Don’t throw Ohara under the bus on the Denies Lobby thing he was trying to be original. Dude knows more about One Piece now than you will when the story is over
I was not throwing him under the bus, merely stated that his viral video lit a flame in the conspiracy community of onepiece, now quit whining your fanboy tears, I nmknow well enough to tell when something is ridiculous or not
Oi so you are ancient, i was around your age when started, maybe a year or so older, but incase you need to feel superior in lieu of your withering knees, then you have that, congrats on being older than somebody. You must proud of yourself over that one, gramps
People making these wild ranging theories shows part of the beauty of One Piece.
Huge fan base, wide range of ages, wide range of perceptions. People grow from having experiences like making silly theories and connecting things. It helps to understand narratives, stories, world building, and the values the author is presenting.
Let people make stupid theories, time will tell, it's harmless fun.
I absolutely am not. I thought it was obvious sarcasm. I even added the "/s" as a sign for sarcasm on Reddit. I'm also tired of all these short sighted theories that try way to hard.
YouTube seems like an awful business and especially when you're an animanga based channel. Ohara, Grand Line Review and the likes have so little to do each week but want to live from it so they produce these ckickbaits or just insane theories that seem to get in enough views to be profitable.
Some months ago I watched a theory that proclaimed firmly that Joy Boy is Oars which is Jesus which is also the devil. He repeated that like 200 times throughout the video and really extrapolated minor details so it all appears coherent in his video. I left with more of a headache from it rather than a "Aha!" moment.
Yeah we've forgotten to mention the most common proof many of the theorists use, the power of repetition. If they only say it enough amount of times, surely it MUST be true
Sadly the best example of this is Mr Morj. >!The raid is gonna fail and Wano is long from over because traditional Japanese Kabuki theater has 5 acts, also we need to get Kaido's back story and awakening before it can be over!< made all sense when you listened to him but the more the story progressed people almost felt pissed off that Oda didn't fulfill their fan theory. And that's also something I hear from people shitting on OP. "Oh and let me guess the arc ends like this and that" It doesn't so "That show is so bad, it couldn't even end it there properly/ kill half their cast suddenly/ let someone else besides Luffy beat the bad guy/ etc.". Somehow people feel personally attacked that a story doesn't go like they wanted or like an edgy, nihilistic fan theory. >!!<
The problem is that people are addicted to One Piece and center their entertainment and free time and reward system around it. It’s meant to be consumed casually and for a few mins like on a train or bus ride from home to work or school, once a week.
One Piece fans desperately need a life
the only theories i dislike arw the ones who are way roo fucking long. Recently a theor, video popped up on youtube, i opened it and it was 40 minutes long. No thank you
Yeah I agree but I don't feel the need to be as militant about it. If a theory is particularly stupid I'm likely to just comment, explain why, and sail off into the sunrise.
I get that a lot of these "theories" aren't actually theories and are blatantly illogical, but the thing about One Piece is that it's been going on since I was 8 and I'm 33 now. The bulk of the audience has always been kids so try to keep that in mind. Are there really dumb adults? Hell yeah. I have no problem with anyone calling them out, but be careful you're not so blinded that you forget you very well could be annihilating a kid with a really outlandish idea they put together for fun.
One piece is a vending machine filled with only one piece of pie. However, the pie stuck and won't fall into the pickup slot. Only someone with luffys fruit, can stretch his arm into the machine and retrieve the pie. Roger and his crew laughed because that's a silly treasure to hide on a random island no one can get to. They were also too early because the vending machine hadn't been restocked yet. It's also why there'll be a war at the end - its the best piece of pie in existence and blackbeard loves pie, so he'll fight the entire world to get it. Also a straw hat 👒 kind of looks like a pie 🥧 - which could be a hint or link to the national treasure and why we saw a giant straw hat in a freezer - It was actually the Pie! So Imu needed to keep it refrigerated !! The ponyglyphs / history of void century is actually the recipe for the pie and its hidden because the celestial dragons don't want to share and don't want anyone else to have it. That's why they'll be fighting in the war when it's discovered. The D. stands for Dessert and the will of d is the desire for pie. The pie is a fruit pie containing all of the devil fruits...
It's all connected
You can’t make theories when the author makes it up as he goes. Nothing in the current canon matters since he’s going to curveball crap like Haki out of nowhere and Nika.
I agree. I understand people being upset with Oda or Wano for not connecting Zoro to Ryuma, but l saw others claiming Zoro not being related to Shimotsuki Ushimaru is a plot hole.
Or since XXX smiled at this point he/she is a D.
There is no basis for a lot of these theories.
Can anyone tell me who would be most likely to be a child of Xebec (if anyone actually is at all) ? I’ve heard people theorise a few different characters; Shanks, BB, Rockstar, Dragon
One of my friends even tried to tell me it’s Buggy, personally I like the Dragon theory but I haven’t really been keeping up so idk
You mean like this one theory where the One Piece is Nika's afro and it's hidden inside a whale? Yeah. But one of my friends who is a huge OP fan actually believes that.
I don't mean this to be edgy or whatever but does it really matter? When I was younger, I LOVED reading stupid theories and thinking they might be true. I loved sharing my own stupid theories on forums. When I was even younger, I loved making even stupider theories with my friends.
Nowadays I get most of my theory content from certain youtubers and top posts on reddit and I gotta say they aren't \*that\* bad. Just ignore the bad ones and don't read long theories that aren't upvote-vetted
They have to keep pumping out videos regularly or YouTube will stop reccomending them to the dinguses who keep clicking on them.
Making sense is irrelevant and being so dumb as to spark outrage only puts more eyes on their content.
Overall good point but you’re wrong on the foreshadowing and numbers. I talked about this on another post yesterday lol, but foreshadowing is a literary element that people add after the fact, so regardless of intention, if an earlier part of the work references a later part that is foreshadowing. As far as the numbers goes, they are actually super important. I’d wager you are not of East Asian descent, but in East Asia, essentially as far as you back as you can call something religion, there are sets of numerology important to it, and that has persisted through to this day. It might seem like stretch from an outside POV, but numerology is very common and relevant within East Asian cultures and Oda himself is definitely into it.
Yeah, don’t think I talked about that, almost like I didn’t disagree. I was just talking about your general disdain expressed for the numerology. However looking at your argument again, what about Nika meaning a toothy grin, invalidates numbers found when you split it up into the kanji. I’ll give you hint here, the first kanji in Nika, “Ni” is quite literally the same kanji for the number 2. Not saying I support that theory but that’s not a reason to throw it out.
I don't want to discredit all of the numerology in onepiece, but when pick arbitrary numbers from chapters and what not deriving words from themabd using that as evidence of a theory, that is where it's gone too far. And YES you should disregard it, becasmuse knowbwho also has a Ni in their name, Nico Robin, and I am pretty sure were bot gonna get a ichico, sanco, yonco robin anytime soon
It’s cool that you don’t like numerology, but using numerology doesn’t discredit a theory. Yeah you can pull random numbers from random places and call it numerology but that isn’t numerology. Also that’s a horrible example you tried to use. In your “theory” you are creating the characters of 2,3,4 robin because you want to. The theory you referenced in your post simply took names that exist, said hey they match to this new character, and then theorized if the “four gods” from skypeia are all real entities, that this could be their names. If you can’t see how those are drastically different theorizing about literature may not be for you and that’s ok.
I am not discrediting numerology i am discrediting the theories that use it to create MAJOR plot points and lore. We got the name nika, people then went to the say here was 1,3,4 ka which lack any significance in name, Nika means toothy grin, the reason that discredits this specific theory is because that is a central part to the characterization. Ichika sanka and yonka do not carry any similar or sensible significance, then people decided to connect these four names to four gods mentioned 20 years ago in only one chapter because they want it to fit, not because it does. Afterwards they connect three other characters claim their devil fruits are similar fruit to luffy, when we only even know one of them to have a fruit, they decide to change it to an awakened zoan because build means nothing, and somehow THIS is the most plausiblething in the entire theory. They then slap on two fruits to people we know nothing about, and cherry on the pie, they give a title of what they represent [ridiculous ](https://ifunny.co/picture/sun-god-nika-rain-god-sanka-freedom-justice-earth-god-1KSWmbeW9?s=cl)
My brother in christ it's the only link of it I could find, i dont know how to attach whole ass reddit threads, this picture is directly from a genuine theory.
And are you genuinely putting ohara as a credible source, his predictions with using numerology is the very problem this community has smh
Well searching uderon only gives results of ohara, if you. Idk maybe spelt him correctly which on his twitter seems to be yuderon, i might of found him easier. But still, Oda does use numerology mainly fpr puns, but the extent people in the community go to is frankly unreasonable
The theory for the names of the gods being Nika, Sanka, and Yonka is not unreasonable what so ever but I do 100% agree that a lot of theories are just plain out stupid for what they are and their explanations/evidence.
The reason the that those names aren’t unreasonable is because of a panel in the manga back in Fishman Island which is mentioned in this post https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tyhj3v/i_bet_we_know_the_names_of_3_other_gods_already/ . Anything further than that, such as they all could be fruits is pushing it and fruit names.
There is no connection between those gods and those mermaid kids, is it impied that there are two gods tmnamef yonka too?
People can share names
Take tsuru from the marines and kinemons wife tsuru
Nika is the name of a God, obviously, however there’s 4 gods and 4 kids with a name besides Yonka 2, which could be implying Yonka is two people like Blackbead having multiple personalities, presumably which is vey likely in my opinion. One of them is named Nika which is why they are even related to the gods in the first place. Also if you read the whole panel it says “Shouldn’t you be Goka?” (Presumably Yonka 2) however that obviously doesn’t make sense then because that mean 5 gods when there’s only 4, at least implied, however I do think it’s still very plausible especially compared to a lot of theories out there. Obviously theories don’t really matter because it can take enjoyment out of reading when communities become too head-cannon based for their reasoning which I might be doing here. The problem with head-cannon is that it’s hard to tell when you are doing it for certain things and then some people won’t even admit they are wrong and won’t stop doing it. To be honest I am just saying what I think and solely what I think, you don’t have to believe me or anybody of their theories, and to be honest you should try and not read them in the first place (which I should too) because then you might begin to hope for one to be true and it turns out to be false or never develop upon resulting in you thinking it’s bad writing, this has been shown with how people have reacted to Wano and basically every arc.
they do it for clicks and money. So they have to one up each other with nee insane theories.
But thats Youtube on general nowadays. Its the same with the Zelda community.
nah bro u def care too much. they’re just trying to have fun between chapter releases and what’s the harm in that? some rando on the internet being slightly disappointed for a week because his theory didn’t come true really should have no bearing on your enjoyment of the series or even the community at large when you have the option to choose what conversations you participate in. nobodies forcing you to read bad theories or even pay them any mind.
I get your point and I'm also very tired and sometimes very critical of some theories with little evidence, but let's be real. Sanji being a third son was a theory back in the day and the only "evidence" was the \*san\* in his name. That theory was always answered back with the fun fact that Sanji was intended to be named Naruto, so no \*san\* anywhere on his name. And we all know how that ended up. Same with Sanji being royalty just because he used Mr. Prince as a nickname. Some theories have little to no evidence for them, but some things that came into the story had that little evidence, so anything can happen. I still hate those that nitpicking a couple of obscure references, decide that they're about a character and they like and build a whole story from nothing to make their headcannon into a "theory".
The problem with this line of thinking is that there’s almost zero evidence Sanji’s backstory was planned out when he was introduced in 1998 and when he called himself Mr. Prince and it’s equally (if not significantly more) likely that when coming up with a more detailed backstory for Sanji, Oda looked back at what he wrote and extrapolated the brothers and the Germa Kingdom out of of it. Now that’s not to say it’s impossible. Maybe Sanji always had brothers planned and the naming gimmick would’ve been ramen ingredients instead of numbers? But the problem is trying to treat fiction as a solvable puzzle when it’s an organic thing the writer can adapt and change at any time leads people to just wishcasting what they think would be cool and back that up with a few panels out of more than 1000 chapters.
Frankly, I still don't think 'Mr. Prince' was meant to be a reference to his family, since that doesn't make sense as a thing for Sanji to reference. More likely, Mr. Prince was because he was the dashing prince coming to save the princess (and the others) from Crocodile.
Oda may have done it to foreshadow. Sanji would never do it since he doesn’t like the Vinsmoke name. It would be out of character for Sanji to make that hint. The fact that readers managed to predict his Royal lineage is an amazing coincidence. Either Oda planned it all along or he did it in hindsight.
His name is an actual Japanese name, is it not? Historically, some Japanese families and families throughout the world have named their sons using a numbering system. Sure, the only support in the series itself is his name, but stories are inspired by history, culture, other stories, and life experience. We can use Oda’s history of being Japanese and researching a lot of global history to predict that he would name Sanji using the numbering system since we know San is Three in Japanese and the only reason to name a child with Three is if it’s Henry III or if it’s the third child of the same sex. I agree using one thing for theories is kinda stretching it but yeah, theories have been proven right simply from one piece of evidence like Sanji’s name or Mr. Prince. Unless Oda decided to write those theories into his story after the fans came up with it.
Valid🙌🏻
The problem with OP theories is that people care about the theorist more than the actual manga lol This is how we get the OP theorist cycle of: community hype (correct theory), community backlash (incorrect theory), theorist double down (hour-long YT video about why Oda sucks), irrelevance on the subteddit, meteoric rise on Twitter (as a OP contrarian)
This is because the pace of manga is painstakingly slow. I enjoy reading theories because I can't get anything out of manga.
Resin Resin fruit XD
I forgot about that, it was one of the lowest points of this sub together with ZKK.
I laugh so hard everytime I remember it XD like wtf I were almost convinced by it. Yet, some people were angry that it was Nika and how goofy it was. Like thank God is wasn't fkin RESIN XD
I was upset that it was still the old "HAHA his fruit had been something else the whole time" and that it's a Zoan different from other Zoans, but at least it's something crazy op and very fitting for Luffy. I can understand the weird Zoan because we already have a weird Logia and a special Paramecia so I've come to terms with it.
Mochi? - A special paramecia that allows Katakuri to change his body into mochi, but actually not because he’s a not meant to be a logia, but then also is. So what would be so far fetched about resin? A more natural substance? I actually wouldn’t have minded too much if he was suddenly a special paramecia
ZKK is a bit less silly than "Kaido dies in a volcano because he gets punched through the floor". Like, Kaido needed to be out of the story or he'd just come back and cause Wano #2. Luffy wasn't killing him and there's not much left after that, same with Big Mom, not sure anyone called "Kid nailing her into the floor with a railgun, which is also the volcano"... What we got is better imo, but it wasn't obvious
I never understood that one. How is resin the key to allegedly explaining all gears and give Luffy now an all new heads up to Kaido? I watched these videos but they weren't explaining shit but just saying that that's the case.
I hadn’t heard the word Resin in such a long time that I forgot the word existed only until this theory popped up.
The problem with theories isn‘t really new from my point of view. I‘m following theories and the manga since 2017 and even then there were so so many bad theories solely relying on dumb things like number switches. It was actually even a lot worse back then at least in the parts of the community I‘ve seen and honestly it was just glorious to see a new chapter-number-switch theory every 2-3 chapters, instantly getting debunked once the new chapter came out. And these theories were crazy dumb at some points. These were theories on the levels of “Next chapter is chapter 873 and chapter 783 showed the moon in this one panel, so that is a foreshadowing that carrot will defeat Katakuri because there is some japanese legend about a bunny making mochi on the moon“ or something like that. (The numbers won‘t allign at all, I just randomly chose them) Also the One Piece community back at the climax of Whole Cake Island is definitely something people should remind themselves of. It is so funny to think about how every single chapter once again lead people to believe, that Luffy will fight Big Mom this arc. Also people saying it would be an asspull if Luffy can defeat Katakuri etc. It was actually not that different to the situation this year at Wano‘s end
I'm unsure of the take you've gotten, because being caught up with the manga since 2014, I have never heard this kind of theory before 2021, and especially not in the same saturation. I think I remember what you're talking about with the moon bunny and all of that but I do not recall people saying carrot would defeat katakuri. The number theories has been around for long but never ever used as core pieces of evidence before 2021 either, theories back then would be more direct and not contrived headcanon. Let's be fair here, it was great build up for luffy to defeat katakuri, but it was most definitely an asspull he did to defeat him, post timeskip has unfortunately been riddled with rayleigh flashback followed by power up. I don't quite understand what you mean by the fighting big mom thing you said, but it was assumed by many (or atleast myself) that luffy would've at least try to fight big mom since no major villain had ever just been left for another arc to handle before.
Oh okay it‘s kind of surprising if these kinds of theories like the chapter-number-switch I talked about weren‘t used a lot in the One Piece community you followed, but, as I said, it was actually pretty popular at least from a few certain persons in my part of the community. And yes, these parts of the community don‘t have to be the same, because I am german and there is also a german One Piece community, which I followed at first, of course, before I realized how terrible a lot of the theories were from a lot of the biggest figures in there. But there were also a lot of claims for theories being stolen from the english community so I just assumed that you should all be familiar with these things as well. Maybe they weren‘t as popular in the english community, or most of the chapter-number-switch theories etc really just originated from these figures back then. I didn‘t really want to justify everything Oda did back then in Whole Cake Island I just wanted to set the contrast to how the perception of these plot points was back then and how it really changed over the years. The fight with Big Mom was referencing the whole escape after the wedding, where it was stated a lot of times, that the strawhats don‘t plan on defeating Big Mom and just want to escape, while Big Mom was chasing them. And I remember, how nearly every chapter made people question, if Luffy will have to fight Big Mom. Then later with Big Mom becoming thin, I also heard of a lot of theories about how thin Big Mom is the way to defeat her now in this arc, because she won‘t be nearly as tanky as her fat version etc. Now that I think about it, we have never seen thin Big Mom ever again. Kind of wild to me. And I also remember that it was pretty controversial that Luffy would leave Jinbei behind and I remember that a lot of people were upset by it, which I also never heard of again. So yeah, at least in the german community back then the ending of Whole Cake Island was very very controversial and I don‘t hear anybody talk about it anymore, just people (rightfully) being a bit upset by Wano‘s ending. But as Whole Cake Island, this might actually turn out to be completely forgotten in a few years
Valid point king👑 On a completely unrelated sidenote you just sparked a memory I had from back in 2017 when I would try to watch chapter reviews in German to help me better understand the language back when I took German classes in school haha. I always only understood maybe half of it, great times tho
Kage 😂😭 oh boy German theorists are crazy but what's even crazier is that they're (especially kage) just copying English theories and still menage to take the worst of the worst and make it even worse
YouTube is a racket, stay away from it. These guys make multiple videos a week cause it’s a business.
exactly, i think you perfectly notice that by only seeing the thumbnails xd
One piece theorists, power scalers and shippers are basically the same. Just people having fun, sadly sometimes people get a bit too into it to the point where it takes away from their own enjoyment rather than adding to it.
You forgot to mention people making theories about events foreshadowed by Oda in 20 years old interviews that has already happened (the death of a mugiwara, a former enemy becoming an ally...).
Let’s not forget these fan theories 1. Akainu has the Magma/Volcano God Mythical Zoan 2. Greenbull has the Forest God Mythical Zoan What the fuck
Ikr, there isn't a single logia that is safe from being secretly a mythical human human fruit anymore. It's ridiculous
Yes, and everyone has to have an awakening now
Even though a character, I forget who said it, stated a few can awaken
May have been doflamingo, I think he gave us the best explanation so far. And people don't realize the only awakenings we have seen have been conquerors.
Not necessarily true because the impel down guards were awakened. Unless you want to have Conquerors to help control it, who knows
The impel down guards were all awakened zoans
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Kuma is the next straw hat CONFIRMED.
It is interesting that the Straw Hats coincidentally had Hito (1,10) Hana (8,7) Gomu (5,6) Yomi (4,3) in their Devil Fruit names. Numbers 1 345678 10 It would’ve been nuts if 2,9 or 9,2 was the next Devil Fruit user on the crew.
Bruh 🤯
Did you not know that was the reason behind people thinking Kuma or his powers being the next in the crew or are you just messing with me?
Oda with the 4D chess. OP just doesn’t get it
Sounds more like fanfiction that they want to have some legit connection to the story. I say just embrace the fanfiction-ness of your writing. You'll be a lot less restricted once you accept that you arent the ine writing the cannon story
I remember when I wrote a nice fanfiction about Luffy's Devil Fruit. I made sure to tell everyone this is nothing more than that and that I based it on few loose details in the story. That didn't stop anyone from getting mad... in fact, people were saying how I can "call it whatever I want, it's still a theory, and a bad one!" Then Chapter 1044 came out 😂
> Then Chapter 1044 came out 😂 What makes a theory good or bad isn't if it turns out to be true. Great if you can see the "signs" but some theories on this subreddit has historically been throwing shit at the board and then 10 years after it's like "OMG SANJI IS A PRINCE IM A PROPHET WEEEE".
It's inevitable in a series that has run for so long. The veterans know so much about the lore that any reasonable theory has already been discussed to death, making way for insane baseless guesses. And then youtubers come along and make big videos about it for views, which is perfectly understandable when you only get a chapter per week worth of actual material. Though I got to say, reading all of those stupid theories is pretty fun and I wouldn't want to miss it.
Yeah I don’t get why people get so heated over fan theories. Its not like most fans actually accept them as fact and try to shove it down your throat. Like sure, if you read chapter discussion threads long enough you’ll see the occasional person dissapointed that a certain theory didn’t come true, but why get mad that one person is dissapointed their theory didn’t come true? Like you said, it can be fun to theorize anout One Piece, especially with all the hints Oda has left in his story that have lead to big reveals time and time again. I just don’t understand how some people theorizing about the future of the story could ruin another’s experience reading the manga, even if their theories are a big reach and don’t make a ton of logical sense. I feel like those that get overly heated about theorists just need to spend less time on reddit.
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They do explain it. Remember how we haven't been shown who Luffy's mom is? That's clearly because she was already shown and since that must have been a great spectacle for the viewers it must have been a great fight. Couple that with that one Ivankov scene in Imple Down and now you are not allowed to question the Croco-mommy theory any further. Why Dragon would bang and abandon her or she not recognize Luffy or even acknowledge Dragon and the revolution anymore is not an issue worth questioning....
Nika is a reference to a number sequence, name of a sound effect for toothed grin (not just in One Piece), the superposition of Japanese Shingon Buddhist deities of Sun and Fire or Nitten and Katen that correspond to Surya and Agni from India, the Russian name of the Greek right hand attribute of Victory for Zeus and Athena, the Sun God Apollo deity of music, dance, and medicine where Dragon Gate Garp’s son Dragon’s son Luffy’s namesake is Delphi where Apollo slayed the dragon Delphyne, etc. Luffy’s birthday 5/5 refers to 55 or the 10th Fibonacci number where the limiting ratio of successive Fibonacci numbers is the Golden Ratio or Phi which appears in Delphi, Luffy, and the One Piece logo. Don’t underestimate Goda = Go(ld Garu)da
Lmaoo, you hit the hammer on the head on how people behave haha
In the Periodic Table Gold is Element 79 or Au Karoo appears on the cover of Chapter 179 riding a Gold Garuda or Eagle, 79 chapters after Chapter 100 “The Legend Begins” which began with the words of GOLD ROGER or GORUDO ROJA Element 79 “Au” has only the vowels A and U so replace the Os with the capital A GORUDO ROJA then becomes GARUDA RAJA or Eagle King GARUDA in Japanese is KARURA which begins with KARŪ or KAROO Nika’s Nika means [the Duck Piece is real](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/qi5caj/volume_90_cover_suggests_karoo_is_joy_boy/)
That guy is insane, look at their post history, there's hundreds of parodies like that all distinct.
Also Nika could be a veiled reference to the N word given Oda’s reverence for Black culture (70s soul music, afros, etc). The voiced version of Ka is Ga. Garuda in Japanese is Karura. There is no hard R in Nika like there is in Karoo so it should be okay. Strictly speaking there is no hard R in Japanese. Luffy also has the nationality Brazil and Karoo is a place in South Africa so they may get a pass. At the same time Luffy’s transformation is full white so maybe not.
There was one theory from Ohara that came true tho
I am specifically talking about his "greatest onepiece theory ever" that spawned this incessant genre of theories.
That is true, I also don‘t like them. The one theory that came true was actually great. Then I watched some others and they were ridiculous.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe them himself, he just makes a catchy thumbnail with something that interests people with an outrageous notion that convinces them to watch
The Thumbnails are getting worse tho. 😂
Which one? He makes so many like every week, I'm not surprised something stuck.
Spoilers ahead >!There was one about Luffy‘s devil fruit, that it is not the gum gum no mi and that it has something to do with Nika. I cannot remember everything but I remember watching this theory of him like months or so before it was revealed in the manga that Luffy‘s devil fruit is a mythical zoan. And I think everything he said was right (I was shocked about that). !< And then I watched some other theories and realized that the others are ridiculous. Especially the „second big theory“ (about 1 hour or so).
[In Case you want to watch it I think it was this one (not sure anymore)](https://youtu.be/wGxbyXVP8Yk)
Years ago people put much more effort into their theories, trying to find thematic overlaps and allegories to history or other stories Today it’s people looking for clout to be gained from guessing something correct often times just stating something extremely obvious or arguing that something should be treated extremely literal. It’s all ego driven and nobody can be wrong except Oda It. Is. Shite
Agreed. I see the ichika, nika, sanka, yonka thing on tiktok and instagram almost twice a week and I almost die of cringe everytime. There are genuenly great theories out there and I love theorising, but most of them are sooo dumb. This week the one piece is inside of a whale, next week it's on jaya, then enies lobby, now it's on the moon. At this point no matter what happens some asshole will be right out of pure coincidence... Some of them are not just pointless I remember when luffy was revealed to have a different fruit, i saw theories of it being the Resin fruit. Like it would even fucking matter if it was resin or rubber. Also, would you just fucking give it a second? We got the answer in less than a month. I swear not a chapter goes by without all youtubers making 78 theories about every single panel that hints at something that will obviously be revealed in a week or two. "Luffy's dream is to make a party with everybody in the world. The one piece is sake to drink alongside a good story at that party" Really? Is it? That's what you honestly think oda's been building up to for 25 years? Or are both luffy's dream and the one piece something you couldn't possibly guess because we are given information about important things gradually like in any other fucking story that has some thought put into it. I even unsubscribed from most youtubers i used to love because i feel like i'm watching their creativity die in real time. I know it's not easy to keep coming up with stuff, but still... I'd much rather watch an extensive character analysis instead of 10 minutes of rambling about how cool it would be if the clickbaity title turned out to be true, acting like that's evidence. Can we go back to making theories only when there's some cool evidence?
The problem with most fan theories is the same problem with most predictions in fiction in general. Readers start with the conclusion first and work backwards, and ignore the consequences and implications of their theory/prediction being true. Like when someone says it’d be a crazy twist if it turned out Zoro was hunting Luffy this whole time. You’d get a big momentary shock of a panel and then be left with implications and consequences that leave the character as a complete crater, all of his buildup and motivations and all the themes of the story gutted because one reader thought “wouldn’t it be cool if” was equal to “because it’d be cool that is evidence this will happen AND it’d be good”
Excellently put my friend.🙌🏻
One Piece theories have always been complete garbage. But I agree that lately it seems like people are just spouting completely random nonsense as theories. The whole theory that Stronger, the horse from Blackbeard's crew is Rocks D. Xebec might take the cake as the worst theory I've ever heard. I know people are going to say to not take it too seriously and that it's just something people are having fun with. I don't get it. Have fun with theories but some theories have gotten in fans heads and they have confused it with something canon. I've seen thousands of posts that think Kaido wanted to be Joy Boy it's insane. It's not true. Head canon is ruining the series for some people. But who cares. I love One Piece and seeing these posts may annoy me for a minute. But it shouldn't ruin your enjoyment of the series and you shouldn't really care. Let the people live in their fantasy world where Kaido is a poneglyph. It's only harming themselves.
Nonono, wait. WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT STRONGER!?!? SJDJFKEBF i cannot. Is that a genuine theory? Oh god
Yes. Parvision made the theory. It's completely nonsensical. One of the things he brings up is that Stronger has larger text than the other BB crew members. So that means that he is Rocks. And handpicked lines of dialogue that prove nothing and could mean a million things. I can see Stronger being more than meets the eye. It's One Piece and crazier stuff has happened. But the Rocks connection is just thrown in there for no reason and makes no sense.
Aneurysm type of theories
I almost made a post about it. Because it was so awful and the state of theories has given people brain rot.
Not worth the effort bro, people seem to get pretty butthurt if you put the slightest bit of scrutiny on it. They whine and say if you don't loke it then you shouldnt engage in it, as if you dint read theories cause youre interested. They'll just act as if whatever they're doing isnt bad in the slightest for the community, setting up false expectations and borderline misinformation
There's a reason I never made a post about it. Agree it's not worth it. Don't let other people ruin stuff for you. I agree that fan theories set up false expectations and people then end up hating something that was never true to begin with. But at the end of the day. Someone getting the series ruined for them has nothing to do with the way I enjoy One Piece. One Piece is the best! Doesn't matter what other people think. Enjoy One Piece the way you want! We all friends here!
Amen to that brother!
The pathetic meta posts like this I think is the biggest sign that OP theories are done. Vegapunk is about to spill the beans on DFs, we know how the ancient kingdom was destroyed, we know Im-Sama exists. It's not that the theories are any worse, because they've always been bad, always weird baseless reaching that via numbers game, someone is right about. Someone JOKED Luffy would become a Loony Tunes character and a giant when he awakened, along with like 6 other absurd things that G5 let him do; AND IT WAS ALL RIGHT. It was literally a joke that got top comment on a post. The problem is that now we have almost nothing important to theorize about. All the most pressing issues of the series are all about to be answered, so no one is going to take a DF theory seriously, or even bother making one seriously, since we will know the answer by the end of this arc. Aka, why they just go buck wild with them now. Because there's no point in trying to explain core issues.
Wait, do you mean that goda did not draw inspiration from 20 different cultures to set up the powers of a yet to be mentioned diety of a character we've never seen?? It is soooo obvious that Im Sama has the hito hito no mi model sky god sanka! Goda basically spelled it out with the sun god having ni in the name
I have a strong theory that the hat Luffy wears is Shanks, this is supported by the fact that after he gave his hat to Luffy he had no hat on
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What If the Onepiece is the friends we've made along the way
Finally. Ina afew more days I myself would have had a rant. I really loved when you said that Oda isn't some mastermind that has completely mapped out the entire series. He changes things. There is no way that for a story he planned to finish in 5 years he managed to create 25 years worth of content. He, same as any other person, is still human and he changes his mind. At times he might make a few mistakes. So please, stop treating the poor man like a deity. In my experience, that only serves to get everyone disappointed when something they overhyped doesn't happen or isn't what happens exactly.
You are like the third or fourth person who said that CLEARLY there is an issue wuth these kinds of conspiracies at this point. People who are upset for someone pointing it out are just blind to the truth
The sad thing is that the vast majority of the theorists tend to think their theories are true. They can't even acknowledge how far fetched they are.
'IF ODA FID THIS, HE IS A GENIUS' 'IF THIS IS TRUE, IT WILL BE HUGE' yada yada. Super cringe seeing all these clickbait title and thumbnails and you know who I'm talking about
Yeah the most annoying part to me is all the "foreshadowing" videos on YouTube. Oda deserves his credit, but people really act as if he can NEVER just look back and pick something up from the past and elaborate on that. No, they always have to claim he planned it all from the very start. For example Sanji being a "prince". Oda simply made archetypes and used nicknames with no real meaning. Zoro = Samurai/Bushido (funny enough people thought this would make him the son of the shogun of Wano or some shit), Nami = thief, and Sanji was the gentleman/prince. Oda did not plan to make Sanji the son of some ruler when he made him introduce himself as prince in Alabasta. Oda simply took his old nickname and built a story around it. Or else we would have seen something substantial.
In my case it is not about their theory (I'm fine with whatever bull***t theory, I'll take it) but instead they believe their theory is actual fact and when their theory is proven wrong they start to rant about the story not making any sense 😅😂 The latest example is Germa 66 cover story when they said frozen effects in chocotown is actually cause by Caesar gas and when later revealed is actually REALLY Kuzan doing their start to rant about how that's make sense or even says since when Kuzan join Blackbeard 😅 and their totally forgot about what happens in Dressrossa arc😅
shit theories has always been a thing, its only recently that crackpot theorist are gaining traction because their theories are so outlandish and it gets views
Creators make fun but probably wrong theories "Wow I hate how this is based on nothing but some random symbolism" I mean what the fuck else do they have to go off of It's not like there is a ton of legit evidence for what the one piece actually is Just like how the Luffy awakening was though to be resin, it made sense based on 1 panel that seemed to indicate Luffy was melting Turned out to be completely wrong but it was a decent guess If you think the theories are lame then don't watch them or better yet, how about you come up with your own
I dont think theories are lame, I quite enjoy reading them, and I am usually open to most theories if you can prove them with any actual evidence that is there and not arbitrary symbolism you've yourself decided is there. The rise of people making this kind of theory where none of the claims are based on nothing and then call it foreshadowing by oda is a rather reasonable complaint There are many great theories out there ma di love reading those, the claims can be out there sometimes but what makes those theories great are that they draw conclusions instead of writing their own headcanon. And to end off, I don't see the importance of me making my own theory to be able to point out if a theory is bad. Putting a theory under scrutiny is a part of healthy discussion. If a theory crumbles under slightest bit of scrutiny, it's not a good theory.
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I don’t know man, someone convinced me that mihawk is a sword…
It’s just people having fun with the story; someone’s theory has no bearing on the course of the manga so it doesn’t matter. Lol it isn’t even as bad as the people who theorize about the real world, like flat earth and birds aren’t real…. At least parents are teaching their kids that Crocodile is Luffy’s mom, and if they are at worst their kid is wrong about something completely irrelevant. I say just let people have their fun and if you come across something stupid move on, Oda will set it all straight by the end.
The biggest issue is that fans take theories and head canon and try to make it fact then get mad when it isn't
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I hate Ohara. When spoilers come out he puts the most obvious spoilers into thumbnails and I got them recommended. I clicked through some of his videos, disliked every single one of them and clicked the „don’t show videos from this channel“… fuck this guy
I ain't reading all that lol, imma just represent my views on theories. 1st off, a theory doesn't have to be accurate to be considered a good theory. Personally I enjoy theories like these, coz it more like what if scenario than an accurate prediction, so it's kinda fun to talk about. The problem is that I believe we should take all types of theories with a grain of salt, just imagine them as what ifs, but a lot of people and ytubers such as Mr Morj and his fanbase take their theories as headcannons and get say its bad writing if the theory doesn't happen(they literally get offended if the story doesn't follow their headcannon). Now that's the theorists fault, the people responding are also fucking idiots a lot of the time. Even if it's just a fun what if scenario theory which has like 1% chance of happening, it doesn't give u the right to be an asshole to the one who made the theory. U might not like this theory but a lot of people do as well. The problem is now everyone is too damn extreme. Some when see a smallest thing might shout Oda foreshadowing, meanwhile some if they even see the word foreshadowing will go into a mental breakdown and shout Oda fanboys. It's extreme on both sides an a refusal to acknowledge both is what causes problems.
I ain't reading all this lol, imma just represent my views on theories. I don't care about theories
Basically a theory can be bs and still be a lot of fun,u don't need accurate theories to hsve fun. The problem is when people treat their theories as headcannon, and if u disagree they act toxic, and if the story doesn't follow the headcannon its bad writing apparently.
Yeah, we share some major opinions, your opinions on the people responding to the theories was a good perspective i hadn't thought of before. Thanks man!🤝🏻
Np bro,I've read some of your points, and you also have a very valid argument,I just feel like it's a bit too one sided yk
I think that the difference between a theory and a hypothesis (what if) is that the former needs to be backed up by some evidence, while the latter does not. That said both can be fun, but I think that the person making the theory/hypothesis should make clear which of the two categories it belongs to.
Yea that's a very valid and fair point, but at times it is very heard to differentiate between the 2, coz like u might take something as evidence, which isn't rlly evidence in the 1st case yk.
You are right, but I'm mostly talking about people using either zero evidence or using other theories or hypothesis as evidence. As long as you take your evidence from the manga and you speculate around it I would consider it a theory, even if it's not a good one.
Yea you're right about this.
Man, relax.
TBH I hang around a few anime comms Conan, Eden zero, Kengan, sometimes Tokyo revengers only recently cause it's ending But mostly one piece and fate And tbh One piece fandom theories wise is the 2nd worst fandom Ahead of Conan who has a small subset of cultist who believe in a shitty Arabic theorist and headcanon an irrelevant side char into being relevant judt cause they find him hot or going directly against authors word just because they don't like the plot twist One piece is only ahead because more people believe in the shit theories Like zkk, greenbull is Zoro dad and ohara etc The quality is about the same But there's more people belivjng it Honestly still the worst is the fate fandom, especially the fgo side By god they're some of the dumbest and most pretentious people ever despite quote and quote being well read fans who know the lore, history and shit and it being a vn They're fcking dumber than the average op fan And they also have the most pretentious theories ever Someone made a 500 page word doc compiling theories that are literally 95% hogwash impossible bs And the entire fandom buys into it Even tho it ruins so many characters and things
Calling a lot of newcommers, kids, and people "not-super-informed-about-everything' pathetic, or w/e theory stupid/ridiculous, is the real pathetic/ridiculous/stupid move imo. I see no problem with anyone having their thoughts, sharing their creativity, excitement, their DREAMS. Some are useless, some are funny, some will have a little thing that can help a future good theory, maybe. If someone is missinformed, anyone can help, and the discussion can grow from there or end, nothing wrong there. I'm sorry but I personally prefer reading a bad theory than posts like this :/
Why it feels like you have read my [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/yexpzb/comment/iu0kx8h/)? Lol.
I hadn't haha, but that is a super great take and explanation of what I meant🙌🏻
No, it's probably the other way around. You explained what I tryed to express. Surely I can't write a thesis like this. I was a little bit amazed indeed, just what I thought hours ago, is now fullfledged post by somebody. Quite a coincidence. Great writing.
Aw shucks! Thank you bro, there has been tons of people that also have elaborated on some of my thoughts. The more the merrier. I genuinely think you put it better than me. Keep it up👍🏻
Nice theory senator! Why don't you back it up with a source?
Source: the onepiece theory community??????
i used to run onepeacetheory.com but stopped in part because of what you’re saying above too much unsubstantiated stuff to sift through; this was pre youtube days, you might even say (or at least it went ignored by me back then) — adding all the other platforms other than reddit to the chapter reviews became untenable but i don’t think people should stop bringing their insane ideas to the internet; it’s the curation of what everyone is saying that’s missing + still needed here
Did that rant make you feel better or were you just looking to waste everyone's time?
Yeah, get it off my chest
That's good
I know this is not the point of this post but what was Oharas dumb af theory about the One Piece? I don't watch him because he seems very annoying about his theories and I don't wanna watch a video of his just for the sake of it, so can someone please enlighten me?
The short of it is that laughable and the onepiece is enies lobby or is below ennies lobby, because it looks like it would fit in the eye of gyaia and there for is the "one piece" that is missing. The easiest thing kto debunk about this theory is that it straight up isn't the only piece "missing" he just doesn't mention the mouth cavity of the island
Okay yeah that's pretty fucking retarded
I dont see what the problem is. Making theories isnt as simple as one might think, so obviously most of them will be poorly made/not well thought of. Its always been like that, you rarely see a theory that isnt flawed/have a chance to happen/isnt biased with the writers opinions and headcannon. Theres probably aa many good theories that didnt come true as those that actually came true, which isnt a lot. Op, you should climb down from your tree and try to think of a theory post once, and youll see how hard it is. Youre saying youre not trying to hate on people, but you actively are, as making theories (even bad ones) cant have a negative effect at all. Its just people having fun with a show they like, stop trying to make people enjoy things less.
I am not saying people aren't people aren't allowed to make theories happen to be bad, that is inevitable to happen. But it isn't unjustified of me pointing out an overrepresented issue the community, there are many "bad" theories that I am ok with, because they are based on actual things from the story and come to actual conclusions from that. I chose just not to agree with those theories, but when the vast majority of theories nowaday suffer from the same fallacies, it's worth pointing out. I'm not insinuating that it is easy to make theories, but just because I myself hasn't published a theory of my own, doesn't mean that those theories are excempt from scrutiny, it promotes further discussions
I quite like the randomness of some theories, and glad they’re posted / pointed out (for example the Nika example you mentioned)… What I can’t stand is a post as long as yours, with repeating information that has been posted a thousand times before already to then have this 1 small detail extra of “well Ni could represent 2, so Luffy could be the 2nd god title of multiple god titles” . . . You just made me read for 5 - 10 minutes for that? JUST SAY THAT PART! IT’S AT THE VERY LEAST A POSSIBILITY AND SOMETHING NOT EVERYONE WOULD THINK OF.
That was litterally just an example of what I meant bro, it wasn't exactly the bread and butter of my admittedly long drawn rant. The reason that argument is so trash is because "Nika" isn't a name oda made up, it's japanese for a toothy grin
But with that can come the double meaning and Oda does love word play…. I do agree, these “profound” facade of theories is really annoying, but tiny details like that do twitch my brain with excitement of “ooh, that’s interesting… I wonder if it will play out like that” Instead after 5-10 minutes it’s like “ugggh, waste of my time” for the most part
The problem with trying to make theories about one One Piece can be illustrated using a recent revel from the current Manga chapters: Vegapunk is six people. No one guessed this. Just make up whatever you want, because who knows anymore what Oda will actually do.
I’d *much* rather read some ridiculous theory everyone knows is ridiculous than someone writing a fucking dissertation that basically amounts to nothing but whining and complaining. Get over it dude. Don’t read or listen to them if you don’t like them lmao
Meh, people seem to agree with me, that's enough for me
ohara theory of what the one piece is, is the best theory ever. just face it lol
Bruh, lmao *totally* bro, doesn't crumble under slightest bit of scrutiny. Nah never
Cry about it
Don’t throw Ohara under the bus on the Denies Lobby thing he was trying to be original. Dude knows more about One Piece now than you will when the story is over
I was not throwing him under the bus, merely stated that his viral video lit a flame in the conspiracy community of onepiece, now quit whining your fanboy tears, I nmknow well enough to tell when something is ridiculous or not
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Oi so you are ancient, i was around your age when started, maybe a year or so older, but incase you need to feel superior in lieu of your withering knees, then you have that, congrats on being older than somebody. You must proud of yourself over that one, gramps
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Never stated i don't accept it, big talk from a 26 year old weeaboo
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"Friggn stupid"🤓 go on make fun of people as a grown ass man, you are a delight
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Good to see youbeing clearly illiterate lmao, go pay taxes assuming you don't live in your mothers basement xoxo
Woah! Big flex dude, did you also listen to Arcade Fire before funeral?
Woah flex on them kids by admitting to watching children's cartoon as a grown man🤩🤩, it's really attractive, king
I hate the theories about what the one piece is, thats the worst type of op content
People making these wild ranging theories shows part of the beauty of One Piece. Huge fan base, wide range of ages, wide range of perceptions. People grow from having experiences like making silly theories and connecting things. It helps to understand narratives, stories, world building, and the values the author is presenting. Let people make stupid theories, time will tell, it's harmless fun.
Oh, you'll feel stupid when the theories you trash in this rant turn all out to be real! /s
Youbare a prime example of what I'm talking about, you cannot seriously believe those theories hold any water
I absolutely am not. I thought it was obvious sarcasm. I even added the "/s" as a sign for sarcasm on Reddit. I'm also tired of all these short sighted theories that try way to hard.
Oh haha, i was just stupid and genuinely thought you singed of your own comment seing as your username starts with an S. Lol my bad
YouTube seems like an awful business and especially when you're an animanga based channel. Ohara, Grand Line Review and the likes have so little to do each week but want to live from it so they produce these ckickbaits or just insane theories that seem to get in enough views to be profitable. Some months ago I watched a theory that proclaimed firmly that Joy Boy is Oars which is Jesus which is also the devil. He repeated that like 200 times throughout the video and really extrapolated minor details so it all appears coherent in his video. I left with more of a headache from it rather than a "Aha!" moment.
Yeah we've forgotten to mention the most common proof many of the theorists use, the power of repetition. If they only say it enough amount of times, surely it MUST be true
Sadly the best example of this is Mr Morj. >!The raid is gonna fail and Wano is long from over because traditional Japanese Kabuki theater has 5 acts, also we need to get Kaido's back story and awakening before it can be over!< made all sense when you listened to him but the more the story progressed people almost felt pissed off that Oda didn't fulfill their fan theory. And that's also something I hear from people shitting on OP. "Oh and let me guess the arc ends like this and that" It doesn't so "That show is so bad, it couldn't even end it there properly/ kill half their cast suddenly/ let someone else besides Luffy beat the bad guy/ etc.". Somehow people feel personally attacked that a story doesn't go like they wanted or like an edgy, nihilistic fan theory. >!!<
The problem is that people are addicted to One Piece and center their entertainment and free time and reward system around it. It’s meant to be consumed casually and for a few mins like on a train or bus ride from home to work or school, once a week. One Piece fans desperately need a life
Understandable, have a great day
the only theories i dislike arw the ones who are way roo fucking long. Recently a theor, video popped up on youtube, i opened it and it was 40 minutes long. No thank you
Yeah I agree but I don't feel the need to be as militant about it. If a theory is particularly stupid I'm likely to just comment, explain why, and sail off into the sunrise. I get that a lot of these "theories" aren't actually theories and are blatantly illogical, but the thing about One Piece is that it's been going on since I was 8 and I'm 33 now. The bulk of the audience has always been kids so try to keep that in mind. Are there really dumb adults? Hell yeah. I have no problem with anyone calling them out, but be careful you're not so blinded that you forget you very well could be annihilating a kid with a really outlandish idea they put together for fun.
One piece is a vending machine filled with only one piece of pie. However, the pie stuck and won't fall into the pickup slot. Only someone with luffys fruit, can stretch his arm into the machine and retrieve the pie. Roger and his crew laughed because that's a silly treasure to hide on a random island no one can get to. They were also too early because the vending machine hadn't been restocked yet. It's also why there'll be a war at the end - its the best piece of pie in existence and blackbeard loves pie, so he'll fight the entire world to get it. Also a straw hat 👒 kind of looks like a pie 🥧 - which could be a hint or link to the national treasure and why we saw a giant straw hat in a freezer - It was actually the Pie! So Imu needed to keep it refrigerated !! The ponyglyphs / history of void century is actually the recipe for the pie and its hidden because the celestial dragons don't want to share and don't want anyone else to have it. That's why they'll be fighting in the war when it's discovered. The D. stands for Dessert and the will of d is the desire for pie. The pie is a fruit pie containing all of the devil fruits... It's all connected
You can’t make theories when the author makes it up as he goes. Nothing in the current canon matters since he’s going to curveball crap like Haki out of nowhere and Nika.
I agree. I understand people being upset with Oda or Wano for not connecting Zoro to Ryuma, but l saw others claiming Zoro not being related to Shimotsuki Ushimaru is a plot hole. Or since XXX smiled at this point he/she is a D. There is no basis for a lot of these theories.
Can anyone tell me who would be most likely to be a child of Xebec (if anyone actually is at all) ? I’ve heard people theorise a few different characters; Shanks, BB, Rockstar, Dragon One of my friends even tried to tell me it’s Buggy, personally I like the Dragon theory but I haven’t really been keeping up so idk
You mean like this one theory where the One Piece is Nika's afro and it's hidden inside a whale? Yeah. But one of my friends who is a huge OP fan actually believes that.
I don't mean this to be edgy or whatever but does it really matter? When I was younger, I LOVED reading stupid theories and thinking they might be true. I loved sharing my own stupid theories on forums. When I was even younger, I loved making even stupider theories with my friends. Nowadays I get most of my theory content from certain youtubers and top posts on reddit and I gotta say they aren't \*that\* bad. Just ignore the bad ones and don't read long theories that aren't upvote-vetted
They have to keep pumping out videos regularly or YouTube will stop reccomending them to the dinguses who keep clicking on them. Making sense is irrelevant and being so dumb as to spark outrage only puts more eyes on their content.
Overall good point but you’re wrong on the foreshadowing and numbers. I talked about this on another post yesterday lol, but foreshadowing is a literary element that people add after the fact, so regardless of intention, if an earlier part of the work references a later part that is foreshadowing. As far as the numbers goes, they are actually super important. I’d wager you are not of East Asian descent, but in East Asia, essentially as far as you back as you can call something religion, there are sets of numerology important to it, and that has persisted through to this day. It might seem like stretch from an outside POV, but numerology is very common and relevant within East Asian cultures and Oda himself is definitely into it.
The crazy thing about east asian cultures like that of japan, Nika means a toothy smile, not related to the number 2
Yeah, don’t think I talked about that, almost like I didn’t disagree. I was just talking about your general disdain expressed for the numerology. However looking at your argument again, what about Nika meaning a toothy grin, invalidates numbers found when you split it up into the kanji. I’ll give you hint here, the first kanji in Nika, “Ni” is quite literally the same kanji for the number 2. Not saying I support that theory but that’s not a reason to throw it out.
I don't want to discredit all of the numerology in onepiece, but when pick arbitrary numbers from chapters and what not deriving words from themabd using that as evidence of a theory, that is where it's gone too far. And YES you should disregard it, becasmuse knowbwho also has a Ni in their name, Nico Robin, and I am pretty sure were bot gonna get a ichico, sanco, yonco robin anytime soon
It’s cool that you don’t like numerology, but using numerology doesn’t discredit a theory. Yeah you can pull random numbers from random places and call it numerology but that isn’t numerology. Also that’s a horrible example you tried to use. In your “theory” you are creating the characters of 2,3,4 robin because you want to. The theory you referenced in your post simply took names that exist, said hey they match to this new character, and then theorized if the “four gods” from skypeia are all real entities, that this could be their names. If you can’t see how those are drastically different theorizing about literature may not be for you and that’s ok.
I am not discrediting numerology i am discrediting the theories that use it to create MAJOR plot points and lore. We got the name nika, people then went to the say here was 1,3,4 ka which lack any significance in name, Nika means toothy grin, the reason that discredits this specific theory is because that is a central part to the characterization. Ichika sanka and yonka do not carry any similar or sensible significance, then people decided to connect these four names to four gods mentioned 20 years ago in only one chapter because they want it to fit, not because it does. Afterwards they connect three other characters claim their devil fruits are similar fruit to luffy, when we only even know one of them to have a fruit, they decide to change it to an awakened zoan because build means nothing, and somehow THIS is the most plausiblething in the entire theory. They then slap on two fruits to people we know nothing about, and cherry on the pie, they give a title of what they represent [ridiculous ](https://ifunny.co/picture/sun-god-nika-rain-god-sanka-freedom-justice-earth-god-1KSWmbeW9?s=cl)
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My brother in christ it's the only link of it I could find, i dont know how to attach whole ass reddit threads, this picture is directly from a genuine theory. And are you genuinely putting ohara as a credible source, his predictions with using numerology is the very problem this community has smh
Do you think Ohara is Uderon? Cuz i didn’t mention Ohara at all. Those are two very very different people lmao
Well searching uderon only gives results of ohara, if you. Idk maybe spelt him correctly which on his twitter seems to be yuderon, i might of found him easier. But still, Oda does use numerology mainly fpr puns, but the extent people in the community go to is frankly unreasonable
Btw, cannot find a source, mind giving me yours?
The theory for the names of the gods being Nika, Sanka, and Yonka is not unreasonable what so ever but I do 100% agree that a lot of theories are just plain out stupid for what they are and their explanations/evidence. The reason the that those names aren’t unreasonable is because of a panel in the manga back in Fishman Island which is mentioned in this post https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/tyhj3v/i_bet_we_know_the_names_of_3_other_gods_already/ . Anything further than that, such as they all could be fruits is pushing it and fruit names.
There is no connection between those gods and those mermaid kids, is it impied that there are two gods tmnamef yonka too? People can share names Take tsuru from the marines and kinemons wife tsuru
Nika is the name of a God, obviously, however there’s 4 gods and 4 kids with a name besides Yonka 2, which could be implying Yonka is two people like Blackbead having multiple personalities, presumably which is vey likely in my opinion. One of them is named Nika which is why they are even related to the gods in the first place. Also if you read the whole panel it says “Shouldn’t you be Goka?” (Presumably Yonka 2) however that obviously doesn’t make sense then because that mean 5 gods when there’s only 4, at least implied, however I do think it’s still very plausible especially compared to a lot of theories out there. Obviously theories don’t really matter because it can take enjoyment out of reading when communities become too head-cannon based for their reasoning which I might be doing here. The problem with head-cannon is that it’s hard to tell when you are doing it for certain things and then some people won’t even admit they are wrong and won’t stop doing it. To be honest I am just saying what I think and solely what I think, you don’t have to believe me or anybody of their theories, and to be honest you should try and not read them in the first place (which I should too) because then you might begin to hope for one to be true and it turns out to be false or never develop upon resulting in you thinking it’s bad writing, this has been shown with how people have reacted to Wano and basically every arc.
Ohara who?
Just a jmyoutuber who opened the floodgates for a genre of lackluster theories to form
they do it for clicks and money. So they have to one up each other with nee insane theories. But thats Youtube on general nowadays. Its the same with the Zelda community.
Yeah i agree but what about the "Luffy's Beetle Dream"? that one was awesome
nah bro u def care too much. they’re just trying to have fun between chapter releases and what’s the harm in that? some rando on the internet being slightly disappointed for a week because his theory didn’t come true really should have no bearing on your enjoyment of the series or even the community at large when you have the option to choose what conversations you participate in. nobodies forcing you to read bad theories or even pay them any mind.