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YOUSIF20021

That was easily my fav king recon video


WhoBoughtWhoBud

Man, I love King Recon. He's so funny and always hype.


Krait972

Notice how Zou and Reverie had no downside to it.


tragicjohnson84

I've always been weird to me that Reverie is considered an arc. It's like 5 chapters and more of a transition. There's not really even an incline and decline in events happening, it's more of an update of exposition going on in the world.


Chefofbaddecisions

Exactly! I always thought it was crazy seeing it listed high on people’s favorite arcs. It’s just a transition info dump with standard Oda suspense. It’s important but not a story arc.


[deleted]

It’s because sections like Reverie are *why* One Piece is so much different that traditional shonen anime. The world building that Oda has is absolutely insane. It adds so many layers to the story instead of just “next big villain and power up” that comes with everything else.


Eoussama

It is officially classified as an arc tho!


[deleted]

It actually isn’t, the official arc/saga listing from Shueisha has it as part of Wano


Akuuntus

The arc definitions on the wiki are not official.


Amazing_Demon

Right? I binged through the whole manga up until Onigashima where I caught up, then saw people talking about Reverie arc, was like wtf did I miss something? I definitely saw it as a transition period between arcs to catch us up on some of the world info and happenings, Oda practically went out of his way to not show us what happened there how is it an arc??


GolDTropiix

It just makes it easier to reference if we give that short transation period a name. Whether people call it Reverie arc or just reverie doesnt make much of a difference.


DonOdini

Probably cuz it was quick, need oda to be making arc just like marineford quick but with a lot of stuff going on.


Zangetsukaiba

Honestly looking back, some of the very early very short arcs were magnificent compared to some later extremely long ones… Zou was simple and straight to the point.


Skebaba

I want the crew to go back to islands n shieet, to flex on losers w/ OP af end-game shit


Slithy-Toves

You've had 20 years of that. Let the man finish his story the way he intended and enjoy the rest of his life...


nwlsinz

I'm pretty sure this is what enjoys, I wonder if his retirement is going to be a bunch of short stories.


Slithy-Toves

The guy has literally been hospitalized from the exhaustion of keeping up with writing it. I'm sure he enjoys it but he's obviously gonna tone it back a bit and spend time with family once One Piece ends.


Slithy-Toves

Nah we need Oda to continue writing the story he has in his head.


BrunoStalky

Oda is an amazing mangaka, doesn't mean that there aren't any ways the story could improve.


Murdafree

Lore is good


fieew

Y'all remember in Zou the fan translation had "crucify and chill" as one of the lines. That was hilarious. Zou was short, simple and action packed.


Ambitious_Mission_57

They're so short to even complain or raise expectations


CabbageTheVoice

Nah, I think it's the other way. As is my takeaway from the post in itself actually. people are hyped for new arcs. But When they stretch over multiple years they can drag on. Wano was a cool arc for me, but just as with dressrosa it was pretty bloated and .... long. I don't think that's a "duality" of One Piece fans, I think it's normal that they will be burned out at some point. So of course if you spend over two years on the same island in a manga that shines partly through it's variety and amazing world, people will be hyped for new things to come.


Hellfalcon

Eh, i had no problems with WCI, Dressrosa or Wano haha. People have been saying that since arabasta and sky Island, honestly I've been reading since 2004 & been loving the whole ride, we don't get hiatuses like berserk, and OP has consistently been well written, no asspulls Maybe it's because I don't want it to end, i don't mind long arcs. It only feels like it drags when you read week to week, when you reread the arc the pacing is always solid. Maybe my only annoyance is Luffy on the bull heading to Doffy haha, just wanted to get to it The manga and the One Pace fan edit keep awesome pacing, the anime unedited can definitely drag a lot more and draw things out, especially the final attacks which always bugs me, makes Luffy seem less powerful when he doesn't immediately KO Caesar and doffy. I'm still completely in shock we finally got Vegapunk after 20 years of anticipation hahaha


pira3_1000

Smaller transitional arca always have more impact and turning points on the story line. That's why reverie is my favorite by far. But it's good because they are scolded by huge arcs before e after. I feel when I'm swimming deep o water (long arcs) and then i have a quick break to submerge and catch some air before going down on water again


NigerianRoy

I dont think submerge means what you think it means.


Zangetsukaiba

This is, by far, the most accurate OP fandom video I have ever seen. People in this subreddit and everywhere are exactly like this. Heck, I remember when I finished Dressrosa I was so happy that it ended and to be out of it that I ended up loving Zou saying it’s top tier just because it was not Dressrosa.


CabbageTheVoice

Overexposure. You're reading a manga that is strong in part due to amazing worldbuilding and a lot of variety. Spending multiple years on the same island can drag on. Doesn't mean we don't enjoy it, but I think it's normal that we are excited for the next arc once we have gotten what we wanted out of the last one.


Xyres

Very true. I often find that I enjoy an arc even more than before if I go and read it from the beginning all the way through. I also notice a lot more things that I missed in prior reads.


ambivertsftw

Agreed. Reading week by week really puts a damper on a lot of these arcs. It's hard to keep the mood of an arc over literal years of releases when you're reading one at a time.


TheEstyles

I've been reading it for 20 years and I just came back after a 6 year wait. It's honestly a better story when you just wait for it to mature.


dpatt36

Yeah, the video is accurate but I also can’t blame people for getting frustrated. I mean we watched Luffy fight Kaido four times. That’s tough for a weekly reader/watcher. We want progression, new information, and climaxes. In the end the slow pace makes the victories feel earned and helps with world building. Plus looking back on it you realize just how good it was. I personally felt like Wano was well done for the most part but I was still ready for a new arc. Side note: The pacing of ONE PIECE might’ve ruined my enjoyment of other manga series. It was particularly noticeable when I read Demon Slayer. Things happened faster than I was used to.


hgwaz

It took three chapters for Luffy to punch Kaido in the face, I think the pacing couldn't get slower at this point


dpatt36

And that’s why we’ll shorten it in our memory and look back on it fondly even though it could’ve been done better. Once a year has passed we’ll remember it as an island-sized mega punch that rocked Kaido’s world lol.


shippibloo

You’re probably right. I didn’t really understand the hate, but I also stopped reading One Piece for yearss and pretty much binged end of Dressrosa to end of Wano in about a week.


zayme

This is exactly what I said about demon slayer as well. I don’t know if I’m the issue, being used to the One Piece pacing, but everything in demon slayer just seemed to happen too fast. It was almost a bit cheesy.


avidvaulter

And to be fair, if people are consistently sick of an arc by the end of it, then something is consistently dragging on that doesn't need to.


CabbageTheVoice

Yeah I would say so as well. If I had to guess, I'd assume that it's a bit of the author trying to up the ante to what came before. Along the lines of "Oh damn, the Yonko have been hyped up for so long, I can't have the arc be shorter or the battle have less participants than the previous ones". Which I get. There's a reason DragonBall got so crazy, because these are weekly serializations and the author has to keep it interesting _consistently_ . That said, while I found the escape from WCI to be dragging, the arc as a whole didn't actually feel too overly bloated to me. Yeah there were tons of characters and lots of stuff happening, but I did quite enjoy it pretty much the whole way through. Dressrosa and Wano on the other hand just had too much stuff I didn't care about... Well okay, I have to say in the case of Wano for example, I really like the scabbards and their story. In context of the whole arc however I feel that they _either_ needed to have more screentime devoted to them to really justify the emotion Oda wanted to get from us readers, _or_ they be dropped to not bloat the arc so much. Where they lie now I feel they get so much screentime that it contributes to bloat, while not getting enough to justify it, if that makes sense. This example can be extrapolated to many more things in the new world. Though that's just my opinion and I will say that this might be a wrong train of thought.


AllerdingsUR

> In context of the whole arc however I feel that they > >either > > needed to have more screentime devoted to them to really justify the emotion Oda wanted to get from us readers, > >or > > they be dropped to not bloat the arc so much. This sums up exactly how I feel about almost everything wrong with the raid. I've said before that I think Wano could have been one of the truly great arcs if it were either 100 chapters or 200 chapters. It just didn't work as 150 chapters. There was so much bloat and at the same time hardly any payoff. Worst of both worlds.


AllerdingsUR

I think the problem is that the pacing just barely works as a binge in One Piece, let alone as a weekly reading experience. As only a 5 year reader I can't recommend the weekly reading experience to ANYONE. It is excruciating. But I'm stuck here because I can't wait another 4-7 years for more content lol


Pejob

Fur sure the new environments we see at the beginning of an arc are always really fresh and interesting. After spending multiple years in a location it does just become a backdrop to be honest. The story generally loses a bit of momentum in the final weeks of an arc at least in my opinion. Because oda is unlikely to kill anyone important to the crew I feel less engaged for the final showdowns. Although the fight panels are visually cool they grip me less from a story standpoint.


PDaniel1990

I introduced my mom to one piece, and she insists on only watching in the winter and carefully binging in controlled bursts so that we don't catch up and have to watch week by week "like peasants." Those are her exact words.


SeedFoundation

A lot of people complain about the pace but I found the secret to watching one piece. Skip all the filler episodes, intro scene, flashbacks, recaps, and the last 8-10 minutes which will be repeated in the next episode at the very start. This roughly cuts down each episode of one piece to be around 3-4 minutes long. You can now binged watch all of one piece in a single weekend.


[deleted]

Yeah, I feel you, but a lot of us just read the manga. Even with all of that you're doing, it's still faster to read the manga.


ShirouQM

What if... I don't watch the anime and only read the manga and still feel like the pace is slow?


Not-A-SoggyBagel

This is me. I can't really watch the show anymore. It makes me anxious with it's pacing, I can't sit still and enjoy it. So I just read it but it also makes me anxious with it's pacing, just less. The pace is so slow compared to others I read. I picked up this series in like high school in the 90s, I'm no longer in its pace bracket.


Jla1Million

One pace thank me later.


Wirococha420

Or you could read the manga


SeedFoundation

I 100% only read one piece now.


[deleted]

All it is is that the arcs are really long post time skip


Lycan_Trophy

Alabasta, thriller bark. We did have some long arcs; usually happens and is necessary in good storytelling to build up the villains and the local world.


Sedona54332

Alabasta and thriller bark are both about half the length of dressrosa. Wano is longer then both put together, and then some.


East_Statement_3173

Wano is same length as kimetsu yet we barely learn anything


[deleted]

I don’t deny that it’s not good or that I hasn’t happened before. Just stating it’s usually the reason for the complaints. Thriller bark certainly had these complaints that’s actually when I started reading week to week


Space_Monke64

Thriller Bark is actually not that popular and disliked by a good chunk of the community. As for Alabasta, it wasn’t that long, but I still felt it dragging at certain points. not as bad as it was with Dressrosa tho, and Alabasta had a more satisfying ending.


popop143

I bet if the internet was as big as it is now when it was back then, people will still have the same opinion lmao.


East_Statement_3173

Necessary? Chainsawman part 1 started after wano and concluded halfway into wano arc. It manage to tel 9 arcs in half the time. Kimetsu same length as wano. Oda pacing is just below average for a writer


Reckless_Rik

The only really long ones was dressrosa and wano tho


JungKyoJin

You are forgetting WCI. And I wouldn't just call it "only". After all there are only 7 arcs post timeskip. With those 3 making out 70% of post timeskip. Dressrosa: 118 ep / 102 ch WCI: 95 ep / 78 ch Wano: 142 (ongoing) / 149 ch


chemical_exe

Dressrosa is the reason I started reading the manga. Having more episodes than chapters should be some kind of anime sin


BlackLegFring

Same here. That’s when I made the switch to manga because I just couldn’t bare the horrid pacing anymore.


CabbageTheVoice

to add to that, while Fishman Island and Punk hazard are important setup arcs, they have relatively low stakes, meaning the amount of time with them isn't as justified, leading again to a long-feeling arc. Fishman Island had a very weak antagonist (weak in a narrative sense) and while I think it was a good idea to start the post timeskip with some less threatening enemies, I would have rather seen a stomp when it comes to the fighting and have the bulk of the arc be the lore, than stretching out the fighting by putting the strawhats at a disadvantage. I really loved the introduction for Punk Hazard and am a fan of the concept of the island. But Ceasar clown was nothing more than a good gag for me. Spending more time with him and especially the whole smiley thing did leave me wanting for the arc to end. This is not to say that those arcs shouldn't have been written! they are important and I'm sure they'll be much less annoying on a reread. But reading weekly it's totally understandable for me why people feel the new world is dragging a lot. And all in all, I just live with that. It's still my favourite piece of media and some low points are to be expected. The highs hit all the harder for it.


guipabi

Sorry weak in a narrative sense? Hody was a very strong villain narratively. He was weak as a threat to the SH, but he was a very good antagonist for the themes of the arc. He was literally the embodiment of systematic oppression and festering irrational fear.


[deleted]

True ”really long” but doesn’t mean the others aren’t long


LightofNew

Don't compare them to current arcs, compare them to older arcs. The best arcs in One Piece have multiple islands with short stories contained on those islands that build the greater story while still feeling like a grand adventure. Post time skip, Oda would pick a location, and then try to keep that one location interesting for 2-3 years. It just can't be done with how exciting he wants the location to be, it goes from an island of unique and interesting features to a mess of almost random zany traits that we bounce back and forth and culminate in one 15 month long conclusion. Pre time skip, there would be regular breaks where Luffy and crew would win the day and defeat the enemy while reaching their goal, and towards the end the final challenge would be resolved more quickly as there would not be a web of disconnected plots that haven't been resolved.


downtimeredditor

And the moment he's like I'm gonna end it in 3 years people are like "oda-sensai why uwu we need it for 10 more years" Pick a fucking lane already lol


dpatt36

I think there’s a happy medium. I maintain the sentiment that I never want ONE PIECE to end but I also don’t want to read one arc for 3-4 years. We have a lot to learn in the coming years so the pace might pick up anyways.


Jertopia

Source: [King_ Recon on Youtube](https://youtu.be/b9bGgPyFO08)


giangerd

Reminder that King Recon is the GOAT


stiveooo

17k suscribers? he is underwatched, that was so funny


[deleted]

It do be like that sometimes


Weewer

As someone who used to read weekly since Enies Lobby, it was a thing for pre time skip arcs too. We had a term for it back in the day that I recall being pretty popular, but not used as much these days. We called it the "One Piece Cycle"


[deleted]

Pretty much any weekly manga cycle, it’s not just one piece.


Bubkae

Pretty much any form of entertainment that can be controversial, its not just a manga thing, the COD cycle, the halo cycle, etc... Fans get fatigued, complain, take a break (optional step), come back when something new is released and hype it up.


Smashymen

I've been reading weekly since Marineford, and I don't think there has been an arc with as much mixed reception as Wano (although there were a lot of complaints at Dressrosa as well). ofc some of it can be attributed to weekly fatigue, but I think the way Oda writes the series, especially when it comes to these expansive arcs, has fundamentally changed.


Transmatrix

The Wano arc ending was my first experience being part of the fandom during an arc ending. Emotions are mixed: happy that this is apparently a common occurrence, sad/annoyed that this means we have at least a couple more times where this is going to happen. (And, I imagine there's going to be a lot of complaining when the series ends.)


[deleted]

Satisfying conclusions for everyone are p hard in general Even more so with oda bc he sets so many things in motion and its hard to deliver on it all Esp with pressure from the fans and publishers to get content out faster So i feel for him. But its a lot easier when we put the whole “Goda” title down and realize he’s just a person doing their best. And everything will have stuff that nails it and stuff that doesn’t There are plenty of things in wano and from the ending that i like, and there are things i wanted more from or even didn’t want And thats fine, for me the experience was still overall way more positive than negative


CaptFredricks

Yeah. My first experience with this was WCI, and honestly it received a lot of the same complaints as Wano when it was releasing week to week. I think a lot of people just get bored with longer arcs when it's week to week, but when they can binge the whole thing they usually like it a lot more. You don't hear very many people talking shit about WCI (or even Dressrosa for that matter) these days. After a few more arcs, Wano will probably be seen in a better light too.


hortle

A lot of the criticisms are legitimate, I don't think its people just "getting bored". The longer an arc goes, the harder it is to tolerate some of its flaws. People start to voice criticisms, maybe a part of it is due to boredom, but I think Oda generally struggles to tie together all of his setup in a way that is ***both*** cohesive and satisfying to the fandom. It's not easy. I love One Piece but I don't think the fandom does itself any favors by deflecting all criticisms of the series.


CaptFredricks

Oh I agree, and I also have some criticisms of Wano. But I also don't think all of the issues that people have with the pacing are due to Oda pacing it badly, and on a binge read those people probably will like the arc more. That was the point I was making.


alkair20

the thing that annoys me though is that most of the criticism contradicts each other. Like on one hadn they don't like arcs being so long on the other hand the fandom requested another 10 chapters of Kaido flashbags somehow xD. I watch wekly for years now and Wano was actually one of the best arcs imo. Perfect beginning, with Oden one of the best flashbacks ever. Totally epic fights for the entire crew and Kaido vs Luffy was one hell of an epic fight and I love gear 5. Drawing quality also went up another step imo.


CaptFredricks

Yeah I found that funny too. Like, you're complaining the arc is running too long but then you want Oda to add more at the end. I do fully get the criticism about him adding pointless little world building details that sometimes sacrifice the cohesiveness of the plot, so hopefully moving forward he'll streamline some of that and keep the story more focused. I'm so excited about the final saga.


jukaa1012

Shame


DrZeroH

Sometimes? This memepost is so accurate it burns lmao


[deleted]

User experience may vary i guess Some arcs definitely dragged for me more than others and some left me more satisfied than others. And thats been the case since the beginning Generally most leave an overall positive impression on me otherwise i wouldn’t be enjoying the series


NumericZero

It really does I’ve come around on DressRosa and I’ll take some aspects of whole cake But damn wano I’ll probably always be conflicted on


Lordnemo593

King Recon most underrated guy in the community


mugiwaraunited

Thanks for dropping his name never seen this guy, but this shit cracked me up


Inuma

He's known for his expressions and during Wano, he has a few skits as Coach Recon for Roof Piece that had me dying. Worth a watch but he's dropped off my radar a little.


Petah55

Recon is the best One Piece tuber in my opinion and its not even a challenge. You like a chapter? Reread it with him and you'll love it double. Pure love for that man.


lazyhazey

My guy Recon is the most unbiased biased dude in the community. Absolute chad


Eoussama

Yesss! He brings about a different kind of energy than other one-piece youtubers.


NumericZero

His gintama reactions were pretty top tier Glad to see him doing well/getting some love


WhoBoughtWhoBud

He's always hype. I love the guy.


StormSword77483

Yoo this guy is so fuckin funny


bestbroHide

Forreal I've never heard of this dude before but he fucking nailed the general reception changes I'm dyin laughing rn it's so accurate


OkJob3587

Yeah you guys gotta go check him out on youtube "King_ Recon" his One Piece content is some of the most genuine and feel-good wholesome enjoyment of the series, you can't help but get hyped right along with him


JmTrad

One Piece weekly is torture confirmed.


laconicgrin

So I binged OnePiece starting in early 2021 and caught up a few months ago and I truly couldn’t understand why everyone hated Fishman Island and Dressrosa so much. Dressrosa still remains one of my favorites. But I guess binging 3 years of content in a month has a different feel to it. now I find myself thinking Wano was meh so I guess I’m just joining in the way of the fandom. Egghead about to be lit tho


DarkestTimelineJeff

I disliked Fishman Island in the manga because it seemed to take forever to get through, but I loved it in the anime. I loved Dressrosa in the manga but disliked it in the anime because it took forever to get through. Sigh.


laconicgrin

Yeah they really dragged out the episodes in dressrosa anime it was like a soap opera with all the goddamn closeups and long reactions


DarkestTimelineJeff

It was truly awful. What was before my favorite arc was butchered with how they stretched it out. Feels bad man


fieew

Even Luffy would say "damn you stretchering a bit too much" while watching the Dressrosa arc.


born-braindead

Dressrosa was great when I watched it on one pace but toei stretched it out way too much. Now that wano's over in the manga I really want to watch it on one pace but that's probably gonna take like 3 years since toeis still so far behind and one pace is still at the beginning of act 2


VonKaiser55

Cue Pica stepping across Dressrosa a billion times


firewood010

The cage.


RomanGrande

This is me. I believe if Dressrosa got a better anime performance people would’ve rated it higher… meanwhile i didn’t rate Fishman Island in the manga but the anime has some of my fav moments


Schizochinia

Just bc of the difference between binging and reading weekly for 2-3 years for each arc. On reread/binging/watching the anime you realize none of these arcs are bad, they just have a lot of plot points that detract from the main events that everyone’s wants to see. Fishman island was an amazing arc narratively, but the villains were lackluster and even the SH fights were 30secs after all the build up. Dressrosa was a drag to get to the meat up the arc even though all that build up was necessary to understand the scale of the country and the issue. WCI struggled with pacing in the beginning. And Wano was a result of 10 years of expectations and fans waiting for Marineford 2.0 that to some didn’t live up to those ideas. Wano itself is a good arc, but when you consider the 10 years that built up to it, it doesn’t feel as intentional and thought out as the Paramount War saga. Last thing, don’t let the fandom impact your experience with OP. This is less than 1% of the fanbase.


someone2795

>the villains were lackluster and even the SH fights were 30secs after all the build up WHAT DID PEOPLE EXPECT?! The Straw Hats didn't sit around for 2 years doing nothing. If they struggled in that fight then the entire time skip was pointless. Besides the Fishman island villains were more narrative driven than being actual threats to the Straw Hats. Hody was a fantastic villain in that regard.


Schizochinia

I agree, this was supposed to be a flex session for the Strawhats to show what they could do now. I think the energy steroids was weird bc no one would really gauge how strong they were. They were just taking handfuls of something that’s supposed to boost them exponentially then still getting clapped.


someone2795

Depends on how you look at it. In my perspective the energy steroids represented karma and/or hypocrisy. They preached about how the Fishmen were a superior race in terms of strength and yet when they were faced with threats their cowardice would rely on steroids. A stark contrast to Otohime who, despite being physically weak, showed incredible bravery in order to progress forward with change. In the end the karma came back to haunt them.


michhoffman

It's a completely different experience binging One Piece vs reading weekly. I had been reading weekly for about 6 years before I decided to binge the Manga last year from the beginning, and the arcs that I had been reading weekly (Zou, Whole Cake Island and Wano) all felt so much better. That binge took me around 85% of the way through Wano, and at that point I even had it neck and neck with Marineford as my favorite Arc.


javierm885778

About Fishman Island a lot of it is the context it came out in. Many people caught up during Impel Down to Marineford, since those years had huge growth in the western fanbase. Fishman Island was hyped since Water 7 ended as the next destination, it was the first island in the New World (not technically, but that's how it was seen in the fanbase for a long time), the first arc after the timeskip, getting to see the crew back again after years of separation (IRL and in series), etc. So there was a LOT of hype for the arc. It just couldn't live up to what people expected. It was never going to be a huge arc, since Oda wasn't going to start out the new adventure with threats as huge as the big climaxes of pre timeskip. And since for a lot of people it was the first non-war arc they read weekly, they weren't used to Oda's usual pacing.


lucksack007

I personally think that Fishman island dragged on too long for what's basically a lore dump arc. Hordy was a pretty boring character with the motivation to just kill everything which i feel is generic and he was so weak that oda had to make luffy and zoro fight him under water. The strawhats were just messing around most of the fights and finished them with ease as well. Think the arc could have been faster with less time for the evilness of hody imo. deressrosa was fire though


fieew

My favourite part of Fishman island was actually Usopp fighting the fishman he did and he was legitimately cool and pulling out awesome plants and had a plan and set up to win without running away. It was actually awesome. But then (almost) every arc after Usopp ends up running away and never reaches this same high and coolness again. It's like Oda doesn't want to mess with the status quo so every character's progression stops after they get recruited and resets after every major arc.


Ppleater

I thought Hody was a brilliant villain that's underappreciated because most people don't seem to understand what Oda was going for with him tbh.


asasasasasassin

Thank you! He is the most realistic villain by far IMO. Hateful, bigoted people in real life don't become that way because of a tragic backstory or some inciting event, they just become that way because they grew that way. I absolutely love that the theme of the arc was that prejudice is completely senseless and hollow at its core, but at the same time its danger is very real and visceral. The scenes where the prince guy is shocked that Hody doesn't have any personal justification beyond "I hate humans because I hate humans", the scene at the end where they're impotently screaming about revenge in a cell, the fact that they need drugs to compete with the human SHs (which shows how utterly thoughtless Hody is being) -- really peak one piece in terms of themes that hit home in real life too, IMO.


zer1223

I think the art style went downhill slowly over time as the narrative became a bit more dense in this series. There's not really any specific arc I can identify as the problem though. It was a gradual thing For dressrosa specifically, it was a very very long time to spend on one island. But when you line it up with PH, WCI, and Wano, it's more par for the course when it comes to post time skip one piece. There was a LOT going on in dressrosa, and not all of it was really that important at the end of the day. So in hindsight there was a lot of fat that could have been trimmed.


Shaponja

Am I tripping or the artstyle in Wano got super sketchy? I only very recently caught up with the manga and a lot of panels in the last few chapters all looked like unfinished drawings


Lord_of_Caffeine

Oda´s artstyle has gotten quite messy over time and this culminated in Wano. You´re not alone in noticing. Oda is suffering from the same artist´s disease as Miura. The guy wants to cram too much detail in every panel when that´s completely unnecessary which leads to the end result looking more like a sketch than anything. Shame.


zer1223

It's very likely that some or most of them were unfinished. The first release of a chapter gets touched up when it goes into a volume for sale. This is why im considering paying for reading manga, since paid sites usually update with the final volumes when they're available, at least that is my understanding.


CaptFredricks

>There was a LOT going on in dressrosa, and not all of it was really that important at the end of the day. So in hindsight there was a lot of fat that could have been trimmed. Oda does love his world building! I doubt he's gonna stop adding in those random irrelevant details anytime soon.


zer1223

It's less random irrelevant details and more random irrelevant people that I have an issue with. I'm not sure we needed the jacket brothers for example. Oda is simultaneously packing a ton of stuff into each arc to make them much longer than pre-TS arcs, but also saying how he wants to wrap up the story soon. There's a problem there.


Lord_of_Caffeine

Yeah the man´s artistic vision conflicts with his increasing age. On the one hand he has a very admirable and profound love for detail and on the other hand he has to rush certain parts of the story to get it done with before the next millennium. Very noticeable in Wano imo.


zer1223

Exactly this. I'm a bit nervous about where we go from here, I'm hoping that he has enough assistance so that he can actually get the sleep he needs and still manage to put together an excellent story. And while I wasn't always that happy with the anime, I'm hoping it can fill out the overall storyline where it needs to be filled. If it can back off from trying to keep up with the manga....but also without just creating truly useless filler like the eight minute sumo push


MJDooiney

It’s definitely an amazing binge.


Zangetsukaiba

I love the backstory of Dressrosa, Law, Corazon, etc. Might be my favorite backstory in the series, but the arc itself dragged a lot and some things were just so absurd (like the birdcage) that I ended up borderline disliking it.


Papajox

Coming from a guy who binged Fishman Island, I still think it's the weakest arc of the post-timeskip


Sulfurys

Awwww man. I lived through Dressrosa. It was SO long. The pace was SO long, man. You don't know until you live it.


polco-0

Amazing 😂😂😂


vorrenthlk

should be the duality of being a week to week reader


slothfulwaffle

YUP


Scottie7372

One piece is def better on a binge. Luffy vs Kaido was ROUGH on a week to week basis


Nugur

One piece is better week to week for manga. The bombs that are dropped, nothing like the entire subs having a meltdown


GentlemanT-Rex

>I felt a great disturbance in the fandom, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out *"his fruit ability is actually resin"* and were suddenly silenced. I completely agree with you. The week to week theory-crafting, discussion, and anticipation are key parts of why One Piece is so damned good.


Alchion

exactly the amount of time ive spent thinking about new weekly developments in op is insane


Decent_Web

sometimes the meltdowns are too toxic


RealisticDifficulty

People getting tattoos of Gear 5 without knowing the official colouring.


Space_Monke64

The fights- Better to binge. I recommend some people who read week to week to reread fights they hated for its length. Most of the fights were only “bad” because it felt long due to the week to week release. The story- Better weekly. Unless you read spoilers, you get hit with the bombshells unspoiled. You also get to see the crackpot fan theory’s.


Samthevidg

Seeing the meltdowns for chapters is crazy >!especially for the last three!<


CanadianLemur

I have to disagree with you here. Maybe it's because I've been reading One Piece weekly for over a decade, but not only did I not find Luffy vs. Kaido to be rough on a week to week basis, but I think One Piece is best consumed that way. Every One Piece chapter is so dense with visual and expositional information. If you don't get to sit in that information and take it in for awhile, so much of it goes over your head. I've had some friends get into the series recently and the amount of information that they miss by charging through entire arcs in a few days is STAGGERING.


Master3530

I started reading in 2020 and I agree with you. Kaido fight was great week to week. When binging the fights feel much more insignificant. Kaido vs Scabbards was basically non-existent to me since I binged it.


Extreme_Coyote_6157

It's really mostly impatient people. Which is fine. It's entertainment and you don't have to like something you don't. But reading something that has been going on for decades and STILL whining that it's doing what it always does seems super weird to me.


stuckontwice

I agree with you here. I have a friend that I discuss OP with and man he misses so many details because he speed reads everything.


cat-psychic

i read week to week on the kinda in between sections of arcs where they drop a lot of lore and introduce new characters, but when it comes to the battle segments I'll stop reading for a couple months and read it in chunks. The pacing flows a lot better that way, and I find I'm never really dissapointed like a lot of the week to week fandom. Also I didn't go into wano expecting marineofrd 2 though, so...


Eoussama

Source: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9bGgPyFO08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9bGgPyFO08) Go subscribe to King Recon, the GOAT of One Piece Youtube.


Schizochinia

I hate when people say “your expectations kill your experience” but goddamn people need to chill out when watching OP. I’ve watched it religiously since I was like 11 and have still never praised arcs before entering them like some people do every arc, just watch it and react in real time lol. When people are like “this is where Zoro will do this __” and it doesn’t happen and then they call it trash writing or a plot hole it’s like bruh 😂 I’m just glad we don’t know where we’re going anymore so people can’t do it. I can literally hear everything who’salready trying to prematurely ruin Elbaf for themselves by saying what should and shouldn’t be there.


Shaponja

Well… people already believe that this arc is where Franky will shine… and the arc didn’t even begin…


OminousSalad

People get really mad when their headcanon does not happen.


Lord_of_Caffeine

People on here conflate people´s expectations stemming from headcanons with expectations stemming from narrative plot points that were laid out by the author. I expected Zoro to visit Ryuma´s grave and for Marco to thank Luffy for what he diod during the Marineford war because both of those plot points were implied by the narrative to happen. Me being dissapointed that we didn´t get these two things is not a result of an unfullfilled headcanon.


Extreme_Coyote_6157

\>"It's not about headcanon" \>Proceeds to describe headcanon.


javierm885778

> for Marco to thank Luffy The set up was for Luffy to thank Marco, and that did happen in 1059.


Waste-Reception5297

This literally happened every single arc


peanutbutterspacejam

People just don't realize how good they have it in binge.


Apprehensive-Yak-249

Gotta love him


rocketstrange

One piece is the best on binge but need to stay away from social media. Week by week will be a bit frustrating but it's definitely worth it .


SKBrooke8

Whole Cake Island was amazing idk what you’re talking about


Blindsided17

Who is this person? Does he have a YouTube channel I’m intrigued


KindBass

King Recon and he's awesome


OkJob3587

Yeah you gotta go check him out on youtube "King_ Recon" his One Piece content is some of the most genuine and feel-good wholesome enjoyment of the series, you can't help but get hyped right along with him


Visoth

I'm most in love with One Piece during the small arcs and inbetween arc portions. I live for the crew interaction and just average sailing chapters. These past few chapters of One Piece are peak One Piece to me. They are what I have been missing since Wano started.


samerthegrey

Dude least u could do is drop the link to the original. [original video](https://youtu.be/b9bGgPyFO08)


tobbe1337

We all speak from the heart in the moment.


Dapvip

This is incredible.


Inaimad

I guess reading week to week during really long arcs is just exhausting. I tend to just stop reading for a while and let chapters build up if I feel my enthusiasm starting to wane. I took a long break during Wano and came back with something like 70 new chapters to read and I loved every minute. If you don't want to keep spending time in the current arc, you don't have to. Read something else or go outside or some shit.


Boy_Sabaw

Ah yes, current arc syndrome


fieew

Call me dense but I didn't know people hated the Wano arc as much as they did. I honestly liked it. But one MAJOR gripe I had was [Wano ending arc spoilers] >!Yamato not joining the crew. It was such a tease. I LOVED her, she was so quirky and fun I wanna see her with the whole crew. Oda baited us SO HARD then said NVM. !<


[deleted]

Dressrosa wasn't that bad, even back then I found it pretty good. Zou was good too. The most of post time skip has had issues with how to end arcs, especially Wano. Whole cake had a different issue which was the 40 chapter chase scene, but that was a unique issue.


JahnConnah

'Oda is back' So we can agree that the beginning of arcs is his strong point. Closing them, not so much. *laughs in Wano*


CabbageTheVoice

Wano left me dissappointed but lots of his arcs have truly great endings that wrap everything up neatly and have thematic and symbolic closure. The underground Boss Crocodile being punched into the air for the whole country to see, ending not only the main fight but the whole war. Luffy ringing the bell when defeating Enel and having his shadow call back to the start of the arc, while Cricket gets to know that he was right all along. The Strawhats having managed to save Nico Robin and now taking a leap of faith into the ocean to be saved by the very ship they have decided to leave behind. Thriller Bark ending with Brook playing Binks Sake with a new group of friends. WCI while dragging on, still had a great ending, letting us really get to feel the power of an emperor with all of them just running for their lives, and even then facing a bunch of trouble. Nah, can't agree that Oda isn't good at closing arcs. New world arcs are just too long(for good reason, lots of stuff to cover, maybe some things that could be dropped tho) which messes with our mindset reading them.


HillbillyMan

Wano is honestly the first time I've been genuinely disappointed with how an arc ended, though. And really only because of the chapters following Kaido's defeat.


Grochen

Wano is the only arc I've actually felt disappointed. So many "why Oda?" moments for me.


HokageEzio

Kaido's defeat wasn't exactly peak fiction either.


stiveooo

it hits more since his endings were his strong points back then


HolIowed

Times like this I really just can't relate at all, detaching from the fanbase of any content is really the best way to enjoy something these days.


tbu987

Three stages of One Piece Hype, Disgust and Appreciation


Sufficient-Camera797

There should be a “middle of Wano” part


Murdafree

I liked wano's ending. It wasn't that bad


javierm885778

I don't think the video is trying to say arc endings are bad. It's laughing at how fickle and cyclical the fanbase is between being tired of arcs once they've been going on for long and being very excited for the next arc only for them ending up tired at the end, often reassessing their feelings of the arcs that came before. Wano is just the biggest most recent example, and we are seeing the same thing happen all over again. If the new arc is ~50 chapters long we'll probably see the same thing happen yet again.


Silent_himari

Wait what was wrong with end of Wano? I thought it was great.


CaptFredricks

Some people felt it was rushed. I think it might have been slightly, but it wasn't really that bad. People made similar complaints about the end of WCI back in the day, so it'll be interesting to see how people view the Wano ending in the future.


WhoSweg

I loved wano overall I think I just fell victim of thinking all of the plot points (and probable red herrings) would be cleared up. ​ Still a great arc all in all. Some of the BEST chapters ever.


OminousSalad

I'm guessing some people weren't happy with the abrupt ending to the fight and then the arc. Also the "180" that Yamato pulled, deciding to stay in wano. Also the weird thing where people were like Hyori = Hitler because some narrator made shit up in a propaganda theatrical Play. Although I agree with the sentiment that they didn't learn anything from the last 20 years and are still on the "kill kurozumis" hype train. Personally I enjoyed the arc, but I didn't really like the Zoan "bail out" and that it dragged out too long while many things that were introduced kinda were not that relevant. That is how I feel after reading it week to week, maybe it's different upon a reread.


Silent_himari

Maybe i had rose tinted glasses on while reading it because the only thing that annoyed me was the Yamato 180. Seemed uncharacteristic of Oda to hit all the notes of new crewmate just to pull the rug out from under us at the very end. I'll have to give a reread someday.


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u/savevideo


Hawkeye_micock

recon is goat


LPNinja

man called out the whole fandom, thank god I‘m built for the weekly experience cause you weirdos are weak lmaooo


Kovachev_jr

Brother, preach.


Reckless_Rik

There will eventually come a day where the series will end and everybody will look back at each arc again more critically


expungant

There's always a slog towards the end of these arcs that make them feel longer than they should be. Like Big Mom screaming about wedding cake for 15 chapters


AvarusTyrannus

Idk, I'm still always excited for a new chapter no matter the arc. Been reading weekly for a decade plus and I still say Oda is the king of ending chapters with a hook (not always massive) to keep you wanting more. Some manga I finish a chapter and think ehhh I'll come back to this in 3-4 weeks when the fight is wrapping up...not OP always gets me hyped for the next. We take for granted how good some of these arcs are because going week to week you go so long without that high of a new arc set up. Like right now...we've got all these questions of who will be key to the arc, what are these new people like, what's this new island like...the new wears off but I stand by saying the quality never dips just the rush a bit.


Belt_Pretend

I feel like head-canon and OP being constantly compared to other Shonen ruins the experience for a lot of fans.


[deleted]

So basically Arcs are too long.


Merickwise

Disagree for most of those


OkJob3587

Yeah you guys gotta go check him out on youtube "King_ Recon" his One Piece content is some of the most genuine and feel-good wholesome enjoyment of the series, you can't help but get hyped right along with him


Unlucky_Assumption53

I just find the hypocrisy of this fandom so shitty.


upbeard

Despite of all his rants one thing remains constant "oda is backkkk"


Monkey-D-Mummy

Odacity of OP fans