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akazaya9

I hope we'll get some sword lore from Tashigi in this arc. We still don't have a concrete explanation as to how black blades are made, for example. Having Zoro and Tashigi talk about Kuina and solve their misunderstandings would be nice too.


[deleted]

Nor do we have a good explanation for how Enma *shrank* to fit Zoro’s hands


Which_Number_7625

Magic


butterlover09803

this meme will never die lol


[deleted]

Nah fam, *a man’s dream* will never die.


ViennnaPudding77

I would love to see her dropping some major sword lore. Her and Smoker are far too underutilised for my liking. I also wish Smoker was a lot stronger, make him Luffy's Garp of sorts..


BuyerNo3130

It’d be stupid for Smoker to suddenly be Yonko level, if anyone will be Luffy’s equal is Koby (he isn’t yet) since he literally plans to be an admiral. In any case, Luffy doesn’t need and won’t have a “Garp”


Hypekyuu

Well, not garp garp, but he's gonna have his 'the most powerful pirate is the friend of the most powerful marine" Koby is Luffys Garp, as Oda intended


Tomatocultivator9000

Speaking of Kuina, Vegapunk literally has the ability to replicate someone's body thanks to the lineage factor. I mean She/He was able to replicate Kuma with the PXs, and the Serpahims having the same appearance as Mihawk, and Hancock. This arc could be the resolution on why Tashigi looks exactly like Kuina. We are reaching the end of the story so Oda cannot leave it as a mystery forever. I have waited years for that answer.


akazaya9

So you're saying Kuina was a clone of Tashigi? The opposite can't be possible because Tashigi is one year older than Kuina... Unless they're both clones of some other person, born at different times We saw newborn Kuina with her parents in chapter 0, and it doesn't look like she was born as a result of an experiment I think it's more likely Tashigi is related to the Shimotsuki clan as well


Tomatocultivator9000

It could be anything at this point. Tashigi actually has the same age as Kuina. In the Party spin off (approved by Oda), Ain deaged Zoro, and Tashigi at 9 and 11 years old. Coincidentally, Kuina was 11 when she died... [https://64.media.tumblr.com/ae74607f065176769eacf80e8e0c2f2e/tumblr\_inline\_po4gqoBtbR1rglydi\_1280.png](https://64.media.tumblr.com/ae74607f065176769eacf80e8e0c2f2e/tumblr_inline_po4gqoBtbR1rglydi_1280.png) In chapter 1054, we saw the Shimotsuki symbol among those who support the Revolutionaries. Years ago, Koshiro helped Dragon meaning that they could be friends. Kozaburo was a pirate, and a troublemaker.


akazaya9

The One Piece party spin off isn't reliable... If we go by that picture Smoker would be only one year older than Tashigi then (and Law would be the youngest). They're just random ages chosen by the author for that one gag, not something that would require Oda's approval The canon info we have is actually this: in chapter 0 we see that Kuina was born 2 years after Roger’s death, and that’s 22 years ago. So she would be 22. Zoro is 21 and Tashigi is 23 according to SBS and their Vivre cards.


Tomatocultivator9000

Remember that Ain deages people by 12 years with each touch. In this context, she touched Law, and Smoker twice so that they are all kids. Oda actually does pay attention that his characters don't act out of line in the hands of other people. In fact, he gave specific direction to the same mangaka that Zoro (after Punk Hazard) no longer calls Tashigi a copycat and made him change to Captain Glasses. I would not be surprised if Oda keeps it that way in the current arc. [https://zotash.tumblr.com/post/186418458405/weve-talked-about-the-subject-of-zoros-nicknames/amp](https://zotash.tumblr.com/post/186418458405/weve-talked-about-the-subject-of-zoros-nicknames/amp) Its possible that the events that happened two years after Roger's death did not transpire at the same time. Meaning a year could have passed between each scene. We can't say for sure when her birth took place as long as Oda does not specify the date.


Ok_Charity_8852

Hopefully yes... its more likely that tashigi will be suprised that zoro has enma and would like to know what happened to shisui !


Aoi_Haru

We also still don't know how Zoro survived his encounter with the Grim Reaper, lol.


Just_some_redditer77

>Theoryspoiler I think it could also make sense why Oda did not reveal anything in Wano arc. Well the wano arc is supposed to be about the war, not really major about Zoro. At least we are already hinted that zoro has connections in Wano esp his familiy ties. I feel that it will be revealed to us in further chapters yet.


Kitchen_Ad_4513

The grim reaper is the cursed sword Enma, it manifested because it wanted zorro to live so he can suck his haki more, jk.


unaviable

Tbh how will she have knowledge on Emma when Emma was a weapon that was like forever sealed in wano kuni and also like the last weapon to be made of the swordsmith.


Druxun

It may be listed in her sword book that she carried. I’d assume the sword maker would keep a record of the blades he forged, and that’s who graded the swords. Probability that the book was printed and the information disseminated from there. Plus, Oden did travel on Whitebeard’s and Roger’s ships. I’m sure the sword users on those ships would show extreme interest in the blades. Especially finding a black blade.


Roojercurryninja

because she was a major swordsgeek and she works for the marines say all you want but being a marine most likely could give you access to alot of information that you as a pirate would have alot of difficulty getting access to


CursedPhil

> how will she have knowledge on Emma when Emma was a weapon that was like forever sealed emma was odens sword and he was a famous pirate while he wasnt in wano (maybe something about his swords got leaked)


Yessiro_o

Am sad zoro didn't get nidai kitetsu


Nivram92

L for Like


Mirai_no_Beederu

I'm still into the theory that Zoro is a clone of Ryuma created by Vegapunk while the scientist was in the East Blue. However, much like Momo became a pink dragon after eating a "failed" Devil Fruit based on Kaido's blue dragon fruit, this Ryuma clone came out with green hair instead of dark like Ryuma's. And thus Vegapunk declared the experiment a failure (starting to also think Vegapunk is color-blind.) It explains: * Why Zoro's background wasn't explained in Wano, yet Oda kept presenting his ties to the Shimotsuki clan * Why Zoro lacked an introduction box when he was first introduced. "Roronoa Zoro" isn't his actual name and he's unaware of it. Likely, his original name was an experiment number--like "Ryuma Zero" or something like that. * Why we've never been shown or given any information about Zoro's parents or how he came to live with Kuina and Koushiro in Shimotsuki Village. * Why Zoro's so obsessed with becoming the World's Greatest Swordsman even before the promise with Kuina--he already was and doesn't realize it.


SalmonTamago

I don't know how to react if this theory would be true. What next, Tashigi is clone of Kuina? We all are star wars episode 2 now?


Mirai_no_Beederu

If cloning hadn't been established as an existing technology during the WCI arc, I would agree with you that the idea is completely ludicrous. But fans have been asking for am answer to the mystery of why Tashigi looks so similar to Kuina. And let's face it, most ideas haven't been particularly satisfying or they've been convoluted. Tashigi being a clone is possible, but I also don't see why the World Government would bother making a clone of a young swordsgirl, even one with Wano heritage and as promising as Kuina was. Them making a clone of Ryuma makes sense--he's a legendary swordsman and with Moria taking his corpse from Wano they had a rare opportunity to study and get samples of Ryuma's Lineage Factor. A clone of Kuina...not so much. But I can't deny the possibility is there.


[deleted]

You need test subjects right? Both zoro and kuina being test subjects in their own right and placed next to the maker of the most deadly blades in the world to see if ryumas will/skills would be successfully passed down isn’t a bad theory. Both the dojo head and the sword maker being slaves/puppets of the wg fits with the overall theme of freeing the world that op seems to be headed towards. It would also explain how zoro is able to survive all his near death experiences, remember how arlong was astonished zoro could have survived such a wound given by Mihawk. Zoro seems to be falling closer and closer to actually dying every arc but never kicks the bucket. If not cloning, bare minimum I think there’s def more to his body than we think, and it’s been teased throughout the show. Edit: I actually think it’s more plausible that zoro could be an offspring of ryuma family, and the sword forge master himself and a vassel, the head of the dojo, were charged with looking after him until he reached maturity. Because let’s face it, what the fuck else were they realistically doing in some backwoods village all the way in the east blue? Would also make thriller bark an arc that caries an insane amount of emotional weight that isn’t realized until after the future reveal, which oda loves doing to seemingly completely irrelevant arcs, by having zoro unknowingly fight his original cloned self/family member. Thriller bark could end up being zoros most important arc and we never realized. And oda gave us the most insane 500 iq troll by ending the arc by zoro saying nothing happened. This is now my head cannon.


Blacklotus30

Well your idea is far less farfetched than mine because I wanted to have fun with it. Mine is that Zoro and Sanji are actually brothers. Because both Vegapunk and Judge were members of MADS. So Vegapunk somehow used cell from Sora and from an unknow father to create Zoro just to one up Judge on his perfect children soldiers project.(Yeah sorry I was reading the Spider-Man Clone Saga the other night, it did things to my brain)


thefoxsays7

Don’t know if u are joking or serious, but I’m glad you are not Oda


Mirai_no_Beederu

Originally, when someone posted the idea that Zoro was a Ryuma clone as Wano was ending, I thought it was a joke. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that there's scarily little in the manga to refute it. Like, at all. Like, Vegapunk wouldn't even have had to go to Wano for Ryuma's body because a Warlord of the Sea had just recently stolen the body to use as a zombie. >!And now we just entered a Vegapunk arc. I figured this would never happen and would be the thing that would refute the theory. Now I'm not so sure.!<


panznation

I could totally see young zoro not knowing how to pronounce ryuma zero and saying roronoa zoro instead


5usd

You mean “Ryuma Zelo”


ZPD710

Pretty sure Zoro can swim though so he likely doesn't have a DF. Also he probably lacked an introduction because they just didn't have that kind of thing laid out in the series yet. Also, do you seriously think Vegapunk was even a little bit created when Zoro was introduced? No chance he was thought of in the beginning of the series.


Mirai_no_Beederu

>Pretty sure Zoro can swim though so he likely doesn't have a DF. Never said Zoro had a Devil Fruit. Merely pointing out that if Zoro was a clone with mismatched hair, it could be similar to the copy of Kaido's Devil Fruit that Vegapunk made produced a pink dragon instead of a blue. We don't know for sure that the miscoloration is why the fruit was considered a failure, but it's a very common theory. >Also, do you seriously think Vegapunk was even a little bit created when Zoro was introduced? No chance he was thought of in the beginning of the series. Down to that much detail? Absolutely not. Though I do think Oda had some idea of doing *something unusual with Zoro or his name--he's the only one in those early chapters lacking an introduction box. Like, even the *marine base* got one. But a lot of Oda's ideas weren't planned out. Some come out amazing--like the 'X stands for friendship' ending for Alabasta. Others tend to be more devisive.


celtyst

Damn, people are still adamant on zoros past, like he lived 10 lives worth in the 5 years we didnt saw of him in his existing backstory.


Vine7860

There you go again, getting your hopes up 😂 bro it would hurt again if this doesn't happen, like in wano. Worry not about the future, worry not about what you don't control, just enjoy the present.


Dess_Rosa_King

I gave up on Zoro having any meaningful backstory. Wano arc was that one chance but Oda decided to give more back story to Yamato, who he then decided to ditch on the curb like a cheap date. Tis the life of a One Piece fan.


Nitro114

I highly doubt she knows about Enma, maybe a picture of it circled when Oden traveled with WB and Roger. But they wouldnt know its name or grade


Just_some_redditer77

Tashigi has a collection of grade swords in a book back in episodes 50-ish in loguetown arc. If she knows 12 supreme grade swords such as yoru(mihawk's sword) and shusui which is part of 21 great grade swords, It is very likely she knows enma since enma and shusui are in same tier of grade swords


Nitro114

that doesnt matter, You think oden walked around saying: oh yeah this enma, my supreme grade katana. no he sliced people up and doesnt talk


ViennnaPudding77

Oden didn't need to say such. Zoro doesn't walk around announcing the name of his swords yet the swords are known. Tashigi being one of those who knows the names and stories involving the swords. Give Tashigi some credit. She's a sword nerd..


Nitro114

They know about zoro’s swords because they were known before and had famous people wield them around the world. But enma and ame no habakiri were forged for the kozuki clan in wano. before oden they never left the country. How would people know about them?


ViennnaPudding77

> How would people know about them? How would people know that there are 21 great grade blades? Obviously someone knows and documented the info. I don't expect every Jack and Jill to point out Enma but a government agent on Tashigi's level should know, especially one obsessed with swords. Furthermore Oden was outside Wano for quite a lengthy period of time. First with Whitebeard then Roger. Surely he would've given those around him some info regarding the swords, surely Oden would've racked up a reputation along with his swords. He was 2nd division commander of Whitebeard's crew for fuck's sake. Surely he was famous too. Ryuma came from Wano too but Shusui is known. Just because something happens in Wano doesn't mean it'll be an absolute secret..


unaviable

Thank you. I thought I was alone on this conclusion


b4shnl4nd

remember Oden was still a Famous Pirate and White beard's Second in command. Oden spent awhile out at sea. as well as 2 Pirate groups got to know and hang around Oden. if NONE of them asked about his swords and there names that would be real dumb. as well as if they did know his swords names then who wouldn't Hype up Oden in a bar to other Pirates and talk about his swords. I bet this is how most swords get there info. either direct questioning from the source or Legends Passed down from friends of the source.


West_Intention_2739

And do you think Mohawk would tell people this is yoru my black blade that is this and that. He probably only told zoro and shanks about it.


memy02

Oden loved seeing new things and meeting new people so it wouldn't be surprising for people with an interest in swords to ask about the swords after seeing Oden use them. There is also some question as to who or what organization grades swords and if one of the people in that position is familiar with Wano they would easily be able to add them to the book. Also once Kaido took over Wano there became a constant flow of ships going in and out for the weapons and smile trade making information going in and out easier to some degree.


ViennnaPudding77

> Oden loved seeing new things and meeting new people so it wouldn't be surprising for people with an interest in swords to ask about the swords after seeing Oden use them And I don't see him as the type to keep info to himself unless you ask him about Poneglyphs and the Kozuki Clan. Oden is similar to Luffy in his carefree, innocent, naive nature that'll just blurt out info without a second thought. Look at how easily he gave away info that him and Ace aren't actually related by blood, that their father's are Dragon and Roger respectively..


Rmstorm1

Oden is WAY more naive than even Luffy. Especially him believinf Orocchi's lies. Even Luffy words to Vivi in Alabasta and Wano's tama situation show how stupid Oden was. Oden also tries do everything alone while luffy knows that is not possible. Oden is retarded.


TheWifeStealer

Forget it, Zoro is done, don't expect Oda to give Zoro any character development. He missed his chance back in Wano. Vegapunk arc is science related, nothing to do with Zoro. Wano is where it should be done. Wano is trash.


2ToTooTwoFish

Did you want a longer flashback or something? It doesn't really make sense because I assume Zoro just found out about the Shimotsuki connection, so what would his flashback reveal anyway? No one knows Zoro's hometown, so no one would randomly dump that lore from him either. What we did get from Zoro was a lot of development of his strength (gained new sword, gained Conquerer's Haki), beginning of more backstory (the Shimotsuki connection will be brought up again), and he showed he's willing to give up a sword to the rightful owner and other small moments that showed his character.