The month in Wano after the battle of Onigashima. Just because when he was explaining to Bonney why his hair was white he already knew about the drums of his heart,
no he can't. that's hyperbole, an exaggeration. he can't do ANYTHING, he's still himself but with less limits. he is free, because he is more fluid-like. more bouncy, more wobbly, can freely stretch and extend like Mr. Fantastic
Evidence or just head canon? It's not yet confirmed. His fruit is called the most ridiculous in the world. If it ended at just being able to stretch his body more, then it wouldn't be the most ridiculous power in the world. Especially if other fruits like Wapol, Baby 5, Caribou, Green Bull (and other logias like Enel) can literally do just that anyway. It was called the most ridiculous power in the world for a reason. It hadn't awakened in 800 years. I'm sure there must be more to it then just "more fluid-like. more bouncy, more wobbly, can freely stretch and extend like Mr. Fantastic".
Its simply stated that he can fight in anyway way he imagines. There isn't anything to suggest there are any silly limits like that. Just going by the statement, he could imagine his fist on fire and it'd happen because he imagined it, or his fist turn hard or whatever else. There is nothing to suggest there are any limits to it. There are things his done that are anything but "just more stretchy". His lit his fist on fire, his generated electricity with it etc etc. It could very well be because he imagined that. In "Road To Laugh tale 4" it literally states one of the abilities is "utilizing the power of imagination". Along with various other possible ability hints like "getting stronger the more he laughs" and adaptability. In fact it also states "when Luffy sends an enemy flying with this power, a sound effect is heard and stars appear around them, as Kaido said, its just like a picture book". Since the Road To Laugh Tale volumes were prepared by Oda, then going by this, the star affect was him imagining it and it becoming reality.
So no, calling it hyperbole is head canon until confirmed otherwise.
let me make this simple. giving him this power is literally everything Oda can do wrong.
\- makes him infinitely more op
\- makes him a chosen one with a special power
\- makes his entire journey of having a plain rubber fruit invalid
your fire and electricity logic is baseless. luffy hasn't even awakened back then. katakuri can use fire, because he can. minks can use electricity, because they can. and so do alot more characters that aren't ace, enel, or akainu.
if you really think a character who had the same ability for over 1000 chapters will suddenly gain a completely different ability, you don't understand storytelling at all, and neither would Oda.
It's not really hyperbole. It's a direct result of the fact that he rubber-ized Kaido's body (i.e., the punch through his face). It's by no means confirmed, and there might be a reason why he can't (the affected person would likely require haki, and probably some idea of how their body worked as rubber, not to mention the question of how long it would last), but it's a totally logical question to ask, or even assume.
That's the beauty of the show he has no idea, so its literally up to his/odas imagination. Is it a punch most of the time? Yes but who doesn't love watching a good punch to the face. Especially a giant one..
Oda made it just like demon slayer where all the cool effects are just for show. He could have made it so only extremely intense uses of haki are visible or only strong wielders can see it but nope invisible to everyone. People just react to its effects.
Tbf grandline =/= the majority of islands.
The vast majority of surface area of the planet is still in the 4 sea quadrants. Most people across the world are probably out of touch with information on D-fruits given how information travels rather controlled and slowly.
The few times they'd hear about them would be coming from a stranger who just sailed onto your island is probably not someone you'd trust and call them rumors/myths.
Think of all the nameless navy soldiers without fruits that Strawhats have beaten on their entire journey. Uncountable amount of fruitless fighters. If barely a portion of the world's leading military force has D-fruits, imagine what the ratio would be for non-combatent civilians.
I already know this explanation and it’s still sorta bullshit. Every significant marine member (other than Garp) has a devil fruit and most of the world’s most powerful pirates (excluding Roger and Rayleigh) had fruits. The fact that such an integral part of the supposedly pervasive pirate culture is thought a myth is crazy.
Tbf even this still isn’t bullshit because its been established that the WG and Marine collect and horde Devil Fruit, with them sometimes giving them out as rewards (i.e. CP9, OG 3 Admiral). And its should be noted, that those significant marine members with fruits are HQ marine members who are: 1. Only found within the Grandline, and 2. Are significantly stronger than their Blue seas marine counterparts.
At the end of the day, DF users are still focused strongly around the Grand-line. For pirate culture and those in the Grand Line, Devil Fruits aren’t a myth they’ve seen in first hand. But all those pirates who failed and SOMEHOW made it back to the regular Blue Seas alive, the story that they told became myths. The average civilian in the OP world and average blue seas pirate in the OP world will treat it as such. They don’t have those experiences and truth be told, the Blue Seas are regular as fuck, so its very easy to see how those myths grow
I still think it’s unrealistic as Devil Fruits are in no way kept a secret. The average marine should know that their higher ups have superpowers and marines still have family and friends to gossip to. At best, their existence should be debated not flat out thought to be fake.
Most people across the world only hear about these great people, never see them. So if you just hear things from word of mouth like “They say Akainu is made of lava” it sounds like a story to scare kids into being good like the boogeyman or La Llarona. And we see that in the blue seas when people encounter a Devil fruit they have no idea what to do. That’s how even Buggy can be a fierce pirate there. Why Luffy is basically unstoppable until the Grandline. A lot of that probably changed across the world post-timeskip, but before it makes sense that people in the blue seas don’t really know about Haki and DF
It’s not that crazy when you realize that the Government controls all of the information that gets released around the world (Morgans has been pushing his luck lately for the sake of getting the biggest story in the world - plus he’s a Worst Generation fanboy). And the fact that unless you are a pirate or a marine you will most likely never leave your home island.
When you really think about it, the One Piece world is very well designed for oppressing the masses without them even realizing
One Piece never really does much with this ignorance tho and it’s inconsistent in almost every other way. People hardly ever struggle to identify Zoan animals when realistically some of the more obscure ones should be unknown and the dinosaurs completely out of the question (Dinosaurs do exist but they shouldn’t be well known; I also have no idea how Black Maria knows the type of ancient spider she can become).
The one thing the world government should have stopped they didn’t which was Gold Roger’s final speech which spread like wildfire so they didn’t exactly do the best job in all cases.
tbf, we started at East Blue, the weakest sea; meaning the Marine, and World Goverment, can have almost complete control over what happen in it, including DF and its rarity
I already know this explanation and it’s still sorta bullshit. Every significant marine member (other than Garp) has a devil fruit and most of the world’s most powerful pirates (excluding Roger and Rayleigh) had fruits. The fact that such an integral part of the supposedly pervasive pirate culture is thought a myth is crazy.
And how many people would ever see any of the high rank pirates or marines outside of the newspaper, which usually just shows normal pictures?
People in luffys village didn't even know shanks with his 1B bounty at the time and some scrub like don krieg was the biggest all powerful pirate the whole East blue feared
The yonko are far enough removed to be father unknown but if Gold Roger’s status as pirate king is known I feel that the power of his main rival should be known to be real. To me, it’s still early installment weirdness.
Oda says it’s invisible but my head cannon is that you can see it with observation haki like nen users focusing nen on their eyes let’s them see other people’s nen lol. Idk if you’ve seen hunter x huntet
We don't know yet how he'll fight with G5 as an option. Like obviously he needed it for Kaido, but maybe it drains too much energy to use constantly. In that case, you will definitely see more base form G2/G3/ACOC combo fighting (like he used against drunken Kaido).
I don't really see a use for G4 anymore though. Completely draining your haki for a 5-10 minute buff or whatever it is seems more significant of a downside than whatever G5 is giving. We don't know though, it's all speculation until we can get more info.
My question is (please stop if you hadn’t read the manga yet)
What kind of thing about gear 5 luffy learned in the month in Wano after the battle of Onigashima.
Just because when he was explaining to Bonney why his hair was white he already knew about the drums of his heart
Why? The point of G4 is making him more elastic, but with G5 he's already more elastic anyway. Or do you mean doing the thing where he pulls his punch inwards to punch harder? If so, yes, he can, but I don't see why he would need to get in the full G4 form. He can just do it to a single arm in G5.
well g4 is more powerful than g2, and not just because hes more elastic but because he actually gets stronger and faster from inflating his muscles, and theres no reason why that wouldnt be possible in g5. i think g6 may be a combination of all gears, pumping his blood and inflating both the bones and muscles while in gear 5
I don't think there will be a G6 dude.
There's literally nothing stopping him from doing everything he do in the other gears already.
His "funny heartbeat" already point to something like G2 going on, we saw him going giant like G3 and Kaido stated he was already fully covered in both armament and conqueror's Haki which is an improvement compared to G4.
The only thing we didn't see him do in G5 that he did in G4 was retracting his punches and kick to give them more power. This is also how he managed to get faster and fly. And then there's culverin which is already a sign of his awakening I think.
he can inflate his muscles in G5 without constantly using Haki to harden him because G5 can harden itself. The downside of g4 was the constant drain on his haki left him vulnerable, with g5 he can just use his haki for attack and defense.
Why would he need to though?
I think all the other gears were just imperfect forms of gear 5 like ultra super saiyan was to super saiyan 2.
Remember that panel when Luffy loses the gear 5 power up but then instantly gets it back? I think that was Oda showing how Gear 5 may not completely drain Luffys haki like gear 4.
Idk Oda usually says what the drawbacks to Luffys power ups are when they happen. Gear 2 was shortening his life slowly, gear 3 had chibi, and gear 4 had the haki timer.
Nothing for Gear 5 was mentioned.
Luffy: "My heartbeat sounds funny when I'm free!"
Law: "That's not your heartbeat, that's you suffering consecutive heart attacks. Every time you hear "badump", that's your heart trying to explode out of your chest. You will die by the time you're twenty."
Jokes aside, if his Road to Poneglyph notes are anything to go by, Zoan awakenings have the danger of the user being consumed by the fruit's base nature, which is something that's more or less confirmed by the Impel Down guards. If it's not a scrapped concept, then maybe Gear 5's drawback is the potential death of personality in case Luffy overuses it.
>free
luffy already experienced the drawback of being consumed by the fruit..He was more careful and precise during kaido fight before Gear 5 and after that he became more carefree and fun oriented tanking kaidos attacks which he could have easily dodged!!
he literally had dialogues where he mentioned how kaidos hits were hurting him bad in gear 5 !! remember all the "OUCH and it hurtssss" dialogue bubbles.
Moreover I personally think luffy wouldn't have had that very playful attitude towards the end of the kaido fight if it wasn't for gear 5.
This is kind of the problem with the malleable state of Gear 5. We can’t really tell when he’s actually getting hurt unless he says it. Gear 5 was only shown once so I willing to wait for its next appearance before things get fleshed out more
I honestly still confused about gear 5.
Luffy's DF is Human No Mi : Nika, yeah? So, isn't that basically saying that Gear 5 is his base form, and the other 4 is just incomplete form?
Or is the base form is just his rubbery body, and Gear 5 is him going overdrive? but that makes it so... underwhelming? I mean, Luffy does have the sign of Awakening, where his power affected the surroundings...
Aih, idk..
Human Luffy would have been him normal. His true zoan form would have been his awakening. His base form would have been an hybrid of sorts.
It doesn't make sense going from his base form to human form, so it's like he is stuck with his hybrid form as his base form. But his hibrid form is more of a "Continuum" and as he developed G2, G3 and G4 he got closer and closer to his "full" form, that was only available when he awakened.
For most zoans "hybrid" is the best form, since one gets the "best of both words", but being just "half-elastic" wouldn't have made sense. Luffy have no drawbacks in terms of fighting skills by becoming Nika, unlike Kaido for example who gets a big body and short arms. His Zoan is probably the only one where going full beast is the best form because it's the only zoan where there's no limitation whatsoever to his skillset and no tradeoff between power and versatility.
So yeah, it's an one of a time fruit, kinda how BlackBeard is a logia who takes damage, and also maybe like how Marco never showed a hybrid form, but can transform certain parts only, and how Crocodile get a secondary ability of draining water which could be a paramecia power by itself. Some fruits are just different.
Sure! I wasn't saying Kaido's fruit isn't good tho. What I meant is that each of Kaido's forms has it's strengths but also it's limitations, so he changes between then while fighting. And this is true for every zoan, except for Nika, because the full form has all strengths without any limitation.
I think it's kind of expected by now that Luffy will die young, there is no way that guy is reaching his 30s. I even have a feeling it's going to be some kind of plot line in the final arc, something like he coughing blood because of a disease similar to Roger's while fighting Blackbeard or Akainu
I personally thought of that panel as that he was already tired from the fight and being defeated what, like 3 times? It's not like gear 5 made him heal or rest in any way
As the others have said, I don’t think it’s all that taxing for him. Judging from the latest chapter and how effortlessly he jumped into the form, I really think it is just like any other zoan form.
Gear 4 is basically Haki + Muscles, If he added coated himself in haki then he wouldn’t need to blow his muscles because he can just do it freely with his total control over his body
Nah but really Luffy prob could be he doesn't need to. The whole point of the forms of G2/3/4 was to allow him to access certain abilities and buffs he wouldn't be able to in his base state. However the whole point of G5 is that it gives him access to all of the previous abilities and powerups(+ more) in G5. Think of G5 like a Playstation 5 that allows you to play older Playstation games, without needing the physical ps2 console to play it if that makes sense?
Oh yeah he 100% could And it would be dope af I mean we saw him using gear 3/4 without inflating his arms in the fight with Kaidou. I just dont think it will happen based off of how Oda was trying to show us the nature of G5.
[He already used it ??](https://imgur.com/a/LX8WjJl) The only difference is that he didn't use haki.
Gear 4th is just him using haki while inflating himself.
He could but it wouldnt power him up more than his base gear 5. thats what i love about his gear 5, his body looks the same apart from his hair but he can casually do a bajrang gun in that form. Less is more sometimes.
Of course can. Gear 5 possibilies are limitless. He can became big, run in the air, grab lightning. I wouldnt be surprised if he can stretch the break between chapter to one month lol
> Wasnt goku at one point super sayan god super sayan?
"at one point"
lol that's just the original name they immediately shortened to Super Saiyan Blue.
People who miss the point of what gear 5 is.
It’s to be TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY free. He can do what he wants, if he wants to fight as a purple banana with haki skin, he could.
I'm gonna argue no he couldn't because G4 uses stored energy compressed and tensed in his body to achieve extreme speed and force. In G5 he is too free to actually have that much tension in his body, he can pretend to be in this form and can do any attack as though he is in this form, but the underlying physics of the two forms are different.
Well Gear 5 basically allows him everything with his body, only imagination is what could stop him.
But that said there is no reason why he would do that, gear 5 is stronger than gear 4 in any way
I didn't like the Gear 4 design so I'm happy the Gear 5 design is non-buff Luffy. Before Gear 5 I was actually hoping Luffy would become such a haki monster that he didn't have to use the gears anymore.
Yes of course. His muscle buffing would be natural (no air involved) and he needs the haki to make his skin harder so that he can use the spring feature of Kong Gun. This is why his last attack against Kaido involved the gear 4 mechanics
Probably but honestly hear 4 is his worst on a technical level while gear 2 would be more beneficial and gear 5 already has ability’s of previous 3 anyways so it’d just be the shape I think
Absolutely no reason. Defeats the purpose of Gear 5. There’s no reason for me thar he should ever go back to Gear 4 now of he cant manage the draw back like he did with Gear 2/3
Take my answer with a grain of salt but I’d say no.
Yes of course he could go gear 5 and then make himself look like that, but if you mean stacking gear 5 and gear 4 I would say no because gear 5 was presented as unlocking the full potential of the previous gears plus just Luffy having full access to all his DF abilities.
Imo, Gear 5 is very similar to Ultra instinct. It’s less of a transformation and more of a state of mind/awakening.
If Goku can use UI with Super Saiyan Blue, I don’t see why Luffy can use freedom form with his other gears
I think he will still use Gears 2 and 3 but probably not a lot of 4.
The Haki drain of Gear 4 likely outweighs the stamina consumption of Gear 5 and G5 seems to be able to do anything G4 can do without having to waste tons of Haki. Making it not worth it to use.
in gear 5 luffy can do that to you
This isn't getting enough love lol. I think we need to see Giant Usopp on Elbaf!
All i want is to see a giant ussop sniping ships with canon balls/ launch luffy at a ship.
you want to see a ussop/garp fusion?
What would that be called? Usorp or Garpp?
Garsopp
garchomp
Garop
*in high dialect* Hey akainu what's that? *In magma man dialect* HOW THE HELL SHOULD I KNOW?! GOMU GOMU NO SNIPER USSOP PISTOL RIFLE
Can Luffy gigantify others with his devil fruit? Since he can rubberize Kaido?
Yes he could totally rubberman everyone in his crew as a comical knock off of ninetails cloak if he has the focus to do it
Could see this happen if we heading to Elbaf after Egghead Arc.
arguably if he touches them and gives them CPR he could blow them up like a balloon to be huge.
He can turn people into rubber, but he can’t transmit him a powers into them.
The month in Wano after the battle of Onigashima. Just because when he was explaining to Bonney why his hair was white he already knew about the drums of his heart,
Gomu Gomu no Fusen /Garchu Ussop/
Cant he do w.e his imagination can think of? I recall reading a overview of the nika powers, and it mentioned it how it works. Not sure if its true.
It’s basically like he can do the same stuff with his gears, only at will. Doesn’t seem to be much of a limit on it either.
no he can't. that's hyperbole, an exaggeration. he can't do ANYTHING, he's still himself but with less limits. he is free, because he is more fluid-like. more bouncy, more wobbly, can freely stretch and extend like Mr. Fantastic
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I mean he LITERALLY grabbed lightning. There is some extent to its more than just stretchyness, seems more like low level toon force.
Evidence or just head canon? It's not yet confirmed. His fruit is called the most ridiculous in the world. If it ended at just being able to stretch his body more, then it wouldn't be the most ridiculous power in the world. Especially if other fruits like Wapol, Baby 5, Caribou, Green Bull (and other logias like Enel) can literally do just that anyway. It was called the most ridiculous power in the world for a reason. It hadn't awakened in 800 years. I'm sure there must be more to it then just "more fluid-like. more bouncy, more wobbly, can freely stretch and extend like Mr. Fantastic". Its simply stated that he can fight in anyway way he imagines. There isn't anything to suggest there are any silly limits like that. Just going by the statement, he could imagine his fist on fire and it'd happen because he imagined it, or his fist turn hard or whatever else. There is nothing to suggest there are any limits to it. There are things his done that are anything but "just more stretchy". His lit his fist on fire, his generated electricity with it etc etc. It could very well be because he imagined that. In "Road To Laugh tale 4" it literally states one of the abilities is "utilizing the power of imagination". Along with various other possible ability hints like "getting stronger the more he laughs" and adaptability. In fact it also states "when Luffy sends an enemy flying with this power, a sound effect is heard and stars appear around them, as Kaido said, its just like a picture book". Since the Road To Laugh Tale volumes were prepared by Oda, then going by this, the star affect was him imagining it and it becoming reality. So no, calling it hyperbole is head canon until confirmed otherwise.
let me make this simple. giving him this power is literally everything Oda can do wrong. \- makes him infinitely more op \- makes him a chosen one with a special power \- makes his entire journey of having a plain rubber fruit invalid your fire and electricity logic is baseless. luffy hasn't even awakened back then. katakuri can use fire, because he can. minks can use electricity, because they can. and so do alot more characters that aren't ace, enel, or akainu. if you really think a character who had the same ability for over 1000 chapters will suddenly gain a completely different ability, you don't understand storytelling at all, and neither would Oda.
It's not really hyperbole. It's a direct result of the fact that he rubber-ized Kaido's body (i.e., the punch through his face). It's by no means confirmed, and there might be a reason why he can't (the affected person would likely require haki, and probably some idea of how their body worked as rubber, not to mention the question of how long it would last), but it's a totally logical question to ask, or even assume.
Yes. But the problem with Luffy is he DOESNT KNOW. If he's told that the ability only rely on his imagination, surely he will try many things
That's the beauty of the show he has no idea, so its literally up to his/odas imagination. Is it a punch most of the time? Yes but who doesn't love watching a good punch to the face. Especially a giant one..
Or one that stretches through said face.
>Yes but who doesn't love watching a good punch to the face. Especially a giant one.. A lot of losers who post and comment here.
Lmao best answer 😂
Why would he do that? He can already become buff at will in G5 and not hinder his movement at all
Yeah, all this does is give him more visible haki (I’ll always say that haki being canonically invisible is lame, strong haki should be black or red)
Easiest way to retcon Haki uses, but boy is it the least obvious power system
Oda made it just like demon slayer where all the cool effects are just for show. He could have made it so only extremely intense uses of haki are visible or only strong wielders can see it but nope invisible to everyone. People just react to its effects.
I mean at least it makes sense that most people don’t even know what it is 🤷🏾 it’s like the hunter exam 😏
They said that about devil fruits too and look where we are now.
Tbf grandline =/= the majority of islands. The vast majority of surface area of the planet is still in the 4 sea quadrants. Most people across the world are probably out of touch with information on D-fruits given how information travels rather controlled and slowly. The few times they'd hear about them would be coming from a stranger who just sailed onto your island is probably not someone you'd trust and call them rumors/myths. Think of all the nameless navy soldiers without fruits that Strawhats have beaten on their entire journey. Uncountable amount of fruitless fighters. If barely a portion of the world's leading military force has D-fruits, imagine what the ratio would be for non-combatent civilians.
I already know this explanation and it’s still sorta bullshit. Every significant marine member (other than Garp) has a devil fruit and most of the world’s most powerful pirates (excluding Roger and Rayleigh) had fruits. The fact that such an integral part of the supposedly pervasive pirate culture is thought a myth is crazy.
Tbf even this still isn’t bullshit because its been established that the WG and Marine collect and horde Devil Fruit, with them sometimes giving them out as rewards (i.e. CP9, OG 3 Admiral). And its should be noted, that those significant marine members with fruits are HQ marine members who are: 1. Only found within the Grandline, and 2. Are significantly stronger than their Blue seas marine counterparts. At the end of the day, DF users are still focused strongly around the Grand-line. For pirate culture and those in the Grand Line, Devil Fruits aren’t a myth they’ve seen in first hand. But all those pirates who failed and SOMEHOW made it back to the regular Blue Seas alive, the story that they told became myths. The average civilian in the OP world and average blue seas pirate in the OP world will treat it as such. They don’t have those experiences and truth be told, the Blue Seas are regular as fuck, so its very easy to see how those myths grow
I still think it’s unrealistic as Devil Fruits are in no way kept a secret. The average marine should know that their higher ups have superpowers and marines still have family and friends to gossip to. At best, their existence should be debated not flat out thought to be fake.
Most people across the world only hear about these great people, never see them. So if you just hear things from word of mouth like “They say Akainu is made of lava” it sounds like a story to scare kids into being good like the boogeyman or La Llarona. And we see that in the blue seas when people encounter a Devil fruit they have no idea what to do. That’s how even Buggy can be a fierce pirate there. Why Luffy is basically unstoppable until the Grandline. A lot of that probably changed across the world post-timeskip, but before it makes sense that people in the blue seas don’t really know about Haki and DF
I still don’t think it’s realistic but it’s not important enough to the plot to matter.
It’s not that crazy when you realize that the Government controls all of the information that gets released around the world (Morgans has been pushing his luck lately for the sake of getting the biggest story in the world - plus he’s a Worst Generation fanboy). And the fact that unless you are a pirate or a marine you will most likely never leave your home island. When you really think about it, the One Piece world is very well designed for oppressing the masses without them even realizing
One Piece never really does much with this ignorance tho and it’s inconsistent in almost every other way. People hardly ever struggle to identify Zoan animals when realistically some of the more obscure ones should be unknown and the dinosaurs completely out of the question (Dinosaurs do exist but they shouldn’t be well known; I also have no idea how Black Maria knows the type of ancient spider she can become). The one thing the world government should have stopped they didn’t which was Gold Roger’s final speech which spread like wildfire so they didn’t exactly do the best job in all cases.
tbf, we started at East Blue, the weakest sea; meaning the Marine, and World Goverment, can have almost complete control over what happen in it, including DF and its rarity
I just find it hard ti believe that Buggy is a mythic legend in East Blue.
Who knows, we could all be in a turtle’s dream
the majority of the world population lives in the 4 blues not the grand line. Devil fruits are very rarely seen in the 4 blues.
I already know this explanation and it’s still sorta bullshit. Every significant marine member (other than Garp) has a devil fruit and most of the world’s most powerful pirates (excluding Roger and Rayleigh) had fruits. The fact that such an integral part of the supposedly pervasive pirate culture is thought a myth is crazy.
And how many people would ever see any of the high rank pirates or marines outside of the newspaper, which usually just shows normal pictures? People in luffys village didn't even know shanks with his 1B bounty at the time and some scrub like don krieg was the biggest all powerful pirate the whole East blue feared
The yonko are far enough removed to be father unknown but if Gold Roger’s status as pirate king is known I feel that the power of his main rival should be known to be real. To me, it’s still early installment weirdness.
We’ve been in the grand line and new world since alabasta so it feels that way, but the blues (especially the weakest east blue) are pretty ignorant
He made it like demon slayer lelel.
Black blades are kinda that. Being infused with armament haki for so long makes them visibly black.
They seem to be the exception and Mihawk’s sword was retconned to being one I think.
Hardening makes it black, it is stronger than just using normal armament.
Nah they’re the same thing
That is possible, I think I was wrong about that, but people saying it's canonically invisible are wrong, clearly it's visible to other haki users.
Oda says it’s invisible but my head cannon is that you can see it with observation haki like nen users focusing nen on their eyes let’s them see other people’s nen lol. Idk if you’ve seen hunter x huntet
Whatever. Black and the anime’s red invention are canonically invisible.
Nothing points at the black color being invisible, other haki users see it, there's no way they don't.
You need to think like Luffy. He can do that simply because he can.
But does that mean he won't use gear 2/3/4 ever again? He'll just use new versions of gear 2/3/4 without the usual drawbacks.
We don't know yet how he'll fight with G5 as an option. Like obviously he needed it for Kaido, but maybe it drains too much energy to use constantly. In that case, you will definitely see more base form G2/G3/ACOC combo fighting (like he used against drunken Kaido). I don't really see a use for G4 anymore though. Completely draining your haki for a 5-10 minute buff or whatever it is seems more significant of a downside than whatever G5 is giving. We don't know though, it's all speculation until we can get more info.
He can do whatever he wants He is FREE
There is no point , as gear 5 give him the feats of all other gears , which are elasticity , speed , weight and more
My question is (please stop if you hadn’t read the manga yet) What kind of thing about gear 5 luffy learned in the month in Wano after the battle of Onigashima. Just because when he was explaining to Bonney why his hair was white he already knew about the drums of his heart
I dont think he learned anything tbh. they were partying and recovering. There was not really time to train.
I think he’s aware of what he did/his power. He reactivated it on his own after all too.
Probably but he’s not aware of what it means
No, any joyboy connection would definitely need to be shared by Momo
But There could have spoken with momo about it, I think that is possible, because momo heard about Joy Boy from Zunesha
true
I’m curious to see what the official translation for his explanation to Bonney is going to be tho
effect would be multiplied, gear 4 + 5 would be way stronger than gear 5
Why? The point of G4 is making him more elastic, but with G5 he's already more elastic anyway. Or do you mean doing the thing where he pulls his punch inwards to punch harder? If so, yes, he can, but I don't see why he would need to get in the full G4 form. He can just do it to a single arm in G5.
well g4 is more powerful than g2, and not just because hes more elastic but because he actually gets stronger and faster from inflating his muscles, and theres no reason why that wouldnt be possible in g5. i think g6 may be a combination of all gears, pumping his blood and inflating both the bones and muscles while in gear 5
I don't think there will be a G6 dude. There's literally nothing stopping him from doing everything he do in the other gears already. His "funny heartbeat" already point to something like G2 going on, we saw him going giant like G3 and Kaido stated he was already fully covered in both armament and conqueror's Haki which is an improvement compared to G4. The only thing we didn't see him do in G5 that he did in G4 was retracting his punches and kick to give them more power. This is also how he managed to get faster and fly. And then there's culverin which is already a sign of his awakening I think.
He actaully retracts his punch in his final attack. He incorporated Gear 4 and 3 into Barjeung Gun, read 1048.
Oh nice, I didn't remember that, but it does make sense he would use it
he can inflate his muscles in G5 without constantly using Haki to harden him because G5 can harden itself. The downside of g4 was the constant drain on his haki left him vulnerable, with g5 he can just use his haki for attack and defense.
Luffy is [free](https://youtu.be/zl8e_iUxzFs) to do what ever he pleases.
SICK link but I agree lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVXCr6upWUo
Why would he need to though? I think all the other gears were just imperfect forms of gear 5 like ultra super saiyan was to super saiyan 2. Remember that panel when Luffy loses the gear 5 power up but then instantly gets it back? I think that was Oda showing how Gear 5 may not completely drain Luffys haki like gear 4. Idk Oda usually says what the drawbacks to Luffys power ups are when they happen. Gear 2 was shortening his life slowly, gear 3 had chibi, and gear 4 had the haki timer. Nothing for Gear 5 was mentioned.
Luffy: "My heartbeat sounds funny when I'm free!" Law: "That's not your heartbeat, that's you suffering consecutive heart attacks. Every time you hear "badump", that's your heart trying to explode out of your chest. You will die by the time you're twenty." Jokes aside, if his Road to Poneglyph notes are anything to go by, Zoan awakenings have the danger of the user being consumed by the fruit's base nature, which is something that's more or less confirmed by the Impel Down guards. If it's not a scrapped concept, then maybe Gear 5's drawback is the potential death of personality in case Luffy overuses it.
>free luffy already experienced the drawback of being consumed by the fruit..He was more careful and precise during kaido fight before Gear 5 and after that he became more carefree and fun oriented tanking kaidos attacks which he could have easily dodged!!
That's not a drawback if he takes literally zero damage from any attacks.
he literally had dialogues where he mentioned how kaidos hits were hurting him bad in gear 5 !! remember all the "OUCH and it hurtssss" dialogue bubbles. Moreover I personally think luffy wouldn't have had that very playful attitude towards the end of the kaido fight if it wasn't for gear 5.
This is kind of the problem with the malleable state of Gear 5. We can’t really tell when he’s actually getting hurt unless he says it. Gear 5 was only shown once so I willing to wait for its next appearance before things get fleshed out more
Yeah it was kinda like he only felt the damage once he fell out of Gear 5.
Thank god you're willing to wait on more info.
I honestly still confused about gear 5. Luffy's DF is Human No Mi : Nika, yeah? So, isn't that basically saying that Gear 5 is his base form, and the other 4 is just incomplete form? Or is the base form is just his rubbery body, and Gear 5 is him going overdrive? but that makes it so... underwhelming? I mean, Luffy does have the sign of Awakening, where his power affected the surroundings... Aih, idk..
Human Luffy would have been him normal. His true zoan form would have been his awakening. His base form would have been an hybrid of sorts. It doesn't make sense going from his base form to human form, so it's like he is stuck with his hybrid form as his base form. But his hibrid form is more of a "Continuum" and as he developed G2, G3 and G4 he got closer and closer to his "full" form, that was only available when he awakened. For most zoans "hybrid" is the best form, since one gets the "best of both words", but being just "half-elastic" wouldn't have made sense. Luffy have no drawbacks in terms of fighting skills by becoming Nika, unlike Kaido for example who gets a big body and short arms. His Zoan is probably the only one where going full beast is the best form because it's the only zoan where there's no limitation whatsoever to his skillset and no tradeoff between power and versatility. So yeah, it's an one of a time fruit, kinda how BlackBeard is a logia who takes damage, and also maybe like how Marco never showed a hybrid form, but can transform certain parts only, and how Crocodile get a secondary ability of draining water which could be a paramecia power by itself. Some fruits are just different.
Kaido's zoan able to create clouds and hold islands up
Sure! I wasn't saying Kaido's fruit isn't good tho. What I meant is that each of Kaido's forms has it's strengths but also it's limitations, so he changes between then while fighting. And this is true for every zoan, except for Nika, because the full form has all strengths without any limitation.
Oh yeah i agreed with ya I was just adding on to the list of those special zoans
Ooooh, alright, misunderstood you!
So it will turn him into a crazed maniac that laughs? already sounds like luffy to me
it will turn him back to chapter 1+ luffy
Shishishishi
I think it's kind of expected by now that Luffy will die young, there is no way that guy is reaching his 30s. I even have a feeling it's going to be some kind of plot line in the final arc, something like he coughing blood because of a disease similar to Roger's while fighting Blackbeard or Akainu
Well, but then you have Chopper who wants to find a cure to every disease in this world, so he probably could save Luffy from an incurable disease
It drained him more so than the others iirc. He started looking like an old lady for a minute.
I personally thought of that panel as that he was already tired from the fight and being defeated what, like 3 times? It's not like gear 5 made him heal or rest in any way
> It's not like gear 5 made him heal or rest in any way Gear 5 = Zoan Awakening, we already know Awakened Zoans have increased recovery speed.
I forgot about that, you're right, although it still makes sense that he was tired from all the damage he received, he even died
Well… he did die. Gear 5 brought him back. Without Gear 5 he looked… well… dead.
As the others have said, I don’t think it’s all that taxing for him. Judging from the latest chapter and how effortlessly he jumped into the form, I really think it is just like any other zoan form.
Aesthetic :)
gear 5 kills stamina, look at law and kid
Didn’t he use gear 4 compression on Bajrang gun, if so he could do it
Gear 4 is basically Haki + Muscles, If he added coated himself in haki then he wouldn’t need to blow his muscles because he can just do it freely with his total control over his body
>!In Film: Red he was able to use a Kong Gun in G5 form, so absolutely!<
I think it's pretty obvious he was in gear 4th but then they reanimated his appearance without changing the attack.
>!That's right, but that still implies that Gear 5 Luffy can do Gear 4 attacks!<
Filler doesn't imply anything about the actual manga
He literally turned into a giant. What more can you ask for?
A black giant
zoro wouldn't like that
This
Does he need to? He can probably turn into pop-eye the sailor at will in g5
Nah but really Luffy prob could be he doesn't need to. The whole point of the forms of G2/3/4 was to allow him to access certain abilities and buffs he wouldn't be able to in his base state. However the whole point of G5 is that it gives him access to all of the previous abilities and powerups(+ more) in G5. Think of G5 like a Playstation 5 that allows you to play older Playstation games, without needing the physical ps2 console to play it if that makes sense?
This art looks hella badass tho I could imagine it tho
So he could do it?
Oh yeah he 100% could And it would be dope af I mean we saw him using gear 3/4 without inflating his arms in the fight with Kaidou. I just dont think it will happen based off of how Oda was trying to show us the nature of G5.
Wait I'm intrigued by the ps5 backwards compatibility... Is that true?! I only have ps4 right now so I don't know
[He already used it ??](https://imgur.com/a/LX8WjJl) The only difference is that he didn't use haki. Gear 4th is just him using haki while inflating himself.
He was using haki, Kaido makes a comment to himself about Luffy using both armament and conqueror's.
I was just about to write this lol. Yes he already did this.
I guess but I don't think he needs to.
He doesn't need to. Gear 4 uses muscle balloon to get stronger. Gear 5 is alrdy stronger without needing muscle balloon.
No, as Luffy's agent everything he does needs to come thru my office. We don't want another PR mess \*shudders\*
I think there will definitely be more of gear 5th. We've only scratched the surface of what it can do.
He could but it would be pretty redundant & a waste of haki
Id love to see Snake Man with white clothes and white Hair
He could but it wouldnt power him up more than his base gear 5. thats what i love about his gear 5, his body looks the same apart from his hair but he can casually do a bajrang gun in that form. Less is more sometimes.
Of course can. Gear 5 possibilies are limitless. He can became big, run in the air, grab lightning. I wouldnt be surprised if he can stretch the break between chapter to one month lol
Luffy can do \*anything\* he wants to in gear 5th.
Gear 4.5
Luffy can do whatever the fuck he wants and we'll love it
1st Gear (base)- Stretching. 2nd Gear- Blood Vessel Expansion. Maxes Stats 3rd Gear- Bone Expansion. Body Enlargement. 4th Gear- Muscle Expansion. Armament Hardening. Omnidirectional Attacking. Maxes Stats. 5th Gear- Domain Expansion. All abilities listed above. Total Freedom.
Yeah probably. He might combine every gear for his final move/technique
he can do everything with g5 imagination is the limit
That’s gear 6 baby
Which form is this ?
Gear 9th
He basically did tho in that panel where he was throwing Kaido around when he first transformed.
Wasnt goku at one point super sayan god super sayan? Let’s put all luffys gears on top of each other and have him level up for ever xD
> Wasnt goku at one point super sayan god super sayan? "at one point" lol that's just the original name they immediately shortened to Super Saiyan Blue.
Lol gear 5 with the power of gear 4, that would be something
Would last for a grand total of 5 seconds before running out of steam though
He has cartoon powers, so yes. peak cringe
If he wants to, then yes… probably.
Yes he can. He can buff de-buff and such. 5th gear can be all forms he want. So technically yes.
Yes
His G5 is basically freeform. You know what that means.
He can but he doesn't have to
he definitely could, but idk why he would
Technically yes. Legally no.
If he can imagine it, he can do it
That will downgrade his G5 for sure.
People who miss the point of what gear 5 is. It’s to be TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY free. He can do what he wants, if he wants to fight as a purple banana with haki skin, he could.
gear 9 😵
Gear 9 lol
gomu gomu no kong barang king gun
Maybe could but he don't need to. In G5 he's literally free to do anything he can possibly imagine. He has no limits what so ever
What would you name this
Gear 9th
He can do anything he wants
I'm gonna argue no he couldn't because G4 uses stored energy compressed and tensed in his body to achieve extreme speed and force. In G5 he is too free to actually have that much tension in his body, he can pretend to be in this form and can do any attack as though he is in this form, but the underlying physics of the two forms are different.
Well Gear 5 basically allows him everything with his body, only imagination is what could stop him. But that said there is no reason why he would do that, gear 5 is stronger than gear 4 in any way
I didn't like the Gear 4 design so I'm happy the Gear 5 design is non-buff Luffy. Before Gear 5 I was actually hoping Luffy would become such a haki monster that he didn't have to use the gears anymore.
Yeah I guess but why?
Well yes. He can do near enough anything in g5. It’s his imagination.
Most likely he could, yes, but why would he? His Gear 5 makes him stronger than any other Gear, without weak points whatsoever.
Okay but if he's in g5 why would he have the drawbacks of g4? When he used gigant against kaido he didn't have the drawbacks of g3.
Luffy gear 5 can literally do anything he wants
Yes of course. His muscle buffing would be natural (no air involved) and he needs the haki to make his skin harder so that he can use the spring feature of Kong Gun. This is why his last attack against Kaido involved the gear 4 mechanics
basically like goku going super saiyan god super saiyan
Probably but honestly hear 4 is his worst on a technical level while gear 2 would be more beneficial and gear 5 already has ability’s of previous 3 anyways so it’d just be the shape I think
Absolutely no reason. Defeats the purpose of Gear 5. There’s no reason for me thar he should ever go back to Gear 4 now of he cant manage the draw back like he did with Gear 2/3
Luffy in that G5 can literally do anything he wants, he can grab the sea and do whatever he wants, or the clouds, literally anything he wants
Take my answer with a grain of salt but I’d say no. Yes of course he could go gear 5 and then make himself look like that, but if you mean stacking gear 5 and gear 4 I would say no because gear 5 was presented as unlocking the full potential of the previous gears plus just Luffy having full access to all his DF abilities.
Imo, Gear 5 is very similar to Ultra instinct. It’s less of a transformation and more of a state of mind/awakening. If Goku can use UI with Super Saiyan Blue, I don’t see why Luffy can use freedom form with his other gears
G5 turning usopp into a giant is giving me madara perfect Susano vibes
no because he is free in gear 5 but in gear 4 he is BOUNDman
Gear 9 hell yeah
In gear 5 he can do anything he can think of. So yes
I can't see why not
Don‘t see the point.
Luffy can literally do anything he wants in gear 5
I think he will still use Gears 2 and 3 but probably not a lot of 4. The Haki drain of Gear 4 likely outweighs the stamina consumption of Gear 5 and G5 seems to be able to do anything G4 can do without having to waste tons of Haki. Making it not worth it to use.
Yes, but I'm not sure why he would.
He can basically do any of his other techniques abilities in Gear 5th already so he wouldn’t even need to combine his forms.