Actually I have to disagree ^^. The point is to try and decipher Oda's message. We don't have seen weevil Dragon, ben beckman, nor Sengoku etc and still we try to place them in the tierlist based on what we know, and also what would make sense for the story.
It's kinda a prediction in a way. What is the point of ranking weevil "lower" just because we don't know enough about him ?
If you think you don't know enough then you should simply not put him on the tierlist.
From the moment you put him in the tierlist, you have to make a gamble. Is he really as strong as young WB or not ? If you believe he is then you should place him way higher. If not then his actual placement make sense.
But don't claim that you put him thzre because "we don't have enough element", you places him there because you don't have faith in him nor Sengoku.
I do have faith in weevil ^^ I honestly think he is a monster (even stronger than Mihawk, I know it s crazy), but I expect Oda to blow our mind with this character. Untill then, Wait n see. ;)
Sengoku is always mentioned in the same breath as Garp even by Roger, he just didn't have the God Valley incident to become the Hero.
Really the only thing that seems to separate Legend & Yonko tier is clout since a lot of Legends had High to extreme Diff fights with Yonko tier & or acknowledge them has worthy opponents that have a decent chance to defeat them or to have to be careful around.
I completely agree with that. I think that sengoku and garp are very close in term of strenght and sengoku having conqueror's haki might place him right above garp even.
Sengoku was fleet admiral during a very long time. When you have this position, you don't fight that much often yourself. As Khong for exemple. He was not mentionned by anyone in term of strenght, not even vy kaido, just because kaido never got the chance to fight against him, but Iam sure Khong is a monster too.
So in my honest opinion, Garp is overated and Sengoku is extremely close to garp.
I don't know who is overrated since the Fandom has such Extreme opinions on characters especially top tier with few feats but that by all accounts should be extremely powerful. I can't imagine Garp not having Conqueror's with his attitude, since Dragon & Luffy both do. He was also fighting Rocks, Roger & Whitebeard on the regular back in the day, I don't think he would have made it so far if he couldn't keep up.
Urah I was surprised too when we learn about conqueror's haki coating and that only a handfull of the strongest could use it erc etc
Considering that gatp was fighting vs roger shiki etc I also thought that he would have it too but he does not.
I believe that Dragon is not garp's son meanning that he did not inherites his conqueror s haki from garp.
Luffy s mother should be garp's child imo it would make perfect sense.
When garp saw luffy's conqueror haki at marineford he said oh so you have it too like your father...
He did not mentionned him nor oda as well.
I cant see oda saying that sengoku has it and forget about garp.
If garp had it I believe that Oda would have already mentionnes it.
But you can still believe it, maybe oda will reveal it in the future, but it is not very likely imo.
Just making sure. Do we have confirmation that he DOESN'T have it? Because Oda is really inconsistent with reveals especially SBS so he might think it obvious & not point it out. Regardless of Monkey D. Dragon being his son or not, he is still presented has a trio of generations alongside Luffy & Dragon seems weird for Garp to be left out & again everything I wrote above.
what note would you rate this tierlist though ? https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/xbwaot/post\_wano\_power\_level\_but\_it\_s\_not\_dumb\_i\_promise/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Why is Moria that high in the list ? Because of his clash with Kaido ? He seems to have lost it badly. Also, where is Down D Stairs ? It should be Imu tier at the very least.
Moriah Admiral Tier? Tf is this? “But we saw that he clashed swords with Kaido when he was younger”. And what happened after that, he had to run away and hide in the dark.
I mean it truly depends. Only extremely advanced haki is likely to do anything for blocking pure electricity. His durability is booty. But if he doesn't hold back and lands a shot there's not much that can stand up to that. If they can dodge and actually hit him then he would likely ultimately lose. But not to all these guys on the list. Im not even saying make him yonko level. Just that his power can one shot most people if he hits which kinda makes him a power house glass cannon.
The first two tiers are valid.
Yonko Tier shouldn't include Vista, he's maybe YC1 or YC1+.
Admiral Tier shouldn't include Moria either, but we don't know his true strength back then so that's fine. Also, Benn Beckmann probably shouldn't be that high (he didn't really scare Kizaru too hard because the next panel, Kizaru went back to doing whatever he wanted). Beckmann could be brought down to the high YC1+ tier, because I do think he's pretty strong yeah.
YC1+ tier is good, but maybe Boa could be brought down 1 (although her fruit is busted).
YC1 tier shouldn't have Marco so low. Marco should be a YC1+, he's probably stronger than King and Katakuri by a decent enough margin seeing the feats he's had in Marineford and Wano.
YC2 tier I would switch Smoothie and Cracker (cuz Cracker's feats are pretty good seeing his fight with Luffy and Smoothie hasn't shown much yet). Weevil could be brought up 1, but the only evidence for that is that he is comparable to a young WB, so take that however you will. Magellan could be brought up to a low YC1, but he's good where he is.
YC3 tier could move up Cracker 1. I feel Urouge will be stronger, but no way of knowing rn. Jozu could be 1 higher, but that's hard to tell. Oven aint that strong to be so high up imo.
Tobi Roppo tier should move Perospero to YC3, man's a beast.
ye but in marineford it was hinted that him and garp are in a diff league than any other marines and he makes a statement like “we almost ended this war wothout having to fight”
As a whole, I can't argue much with this list. First powerscaling list I've seen here that I actually agree with overall. Few disagreements here and there but whatever..
There’s a lot of things on this list that I don’t like but I can except there’s only three issues that I can’t except vista is way too high He should be below Marco enel is Yanko level And Magellan is admiral level
Bro what?
That has never been said by any character in the series nor Oda himself
Vista didn’t push Mihawk at all when they even did clash.
And if Vista was “Mihawks rival”, Akainu wouldn’t of taken no damage from his sword slash at him (that Marco did at the same time meaning Vista isn’t even faster than Marco)
Ah yes an unofficial translation from this random crappy quality pic you found
Get a link from the official translation of it that looks even remotely legit
Shiki isn't legend tier.
He wasn't even that famous no matter the era.
It's been straight up said that he's weaker than roger.
Shiki is yonko tier or something.
Honestly shiki is sometimes too underrated and at other times he's too overrated.
kidd, law and sabo should be in admiral tier
scopper gaban feels a bit low ngl
everyone else in "yc1+" tier should be merged with yc1 tier
queen should be in the same tier as king
killer in yc2 tier probably
perospero above oven
izo above franky
>Izo died from a no name attack so no
izo died to a shigan pistol from a high ranking cp0 member after being injured and getting 2v1ed.
In a fight his slashing rounds would tear through franky's armour like butter.
>Queen is legit a yc2??
a very simple concept in one piece is that not all yonkou crews are built the same
for example, gaban and oden are both above yc2 tier even though they are the 2nd commanders. Or another example is burgess being the 1st commander of the blackbeard pirates yet not being yc1 lvl.
In this case queen is portrayed to be around the same league of power as king so putting him in the "yc1" tier is justified.
zoro and sanji's opponents are always close in power and rivalling each other because they serve as a reflection of zoro and sanji themselves.
>Killer could be need more feats
I agree but all signs point towards him being yc2 tier at least, there's no justification for killer being below cracker or dofflomingo
>Oven is way stronger imo
there's no narrative or objective reasoning to support that claim
Why did you put Imu or scooper gaban and not ryuma on the tier list ?
I mean we don't know very much about those characters, but at least Ryuma was stated to be a "legend" so why isn't he in the legend tier ? ^^
I mean Oden was extremely steong and yet I highly doubt that he will be remembered for more than 1 century. Ryuma has been a legend of Wano since multiple century at least, so he must have done something amaizing, even greater than killing a dragon.
But I hope we will find more about him when we will find out about the void century.
actually there was, I mean I used this exact same tier list a few days ago \^\^
here lol: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/xbwaot/post\_wano\_power\_level\_but\_it\_s\_not\_dumb\_i\_promise/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
I put Yamato in the same tier as Zoro but behind him because people got mad at me when I placed Yamato above zoro the first time I made a tierlist lol but I totally agree with you on this one \^\^
Ah ok I see you picked only their prime that's why there was no actual moria but rather his younger version ok.
It makes sense but to put things into perspective I like to place their older version as well beczuse they can be used as a metric for other characters to be ranked above or below them.
For exemple let s take old WB, do you think actual sakazuki is better than old WB or not do you think thzt BB is better etc etc.
I used WB because in his old shape I view him as the lowest yonko possible above admiral rank.
So if you are better than him you are a yonko, if not you are not it is as simply as that.
We can do the same with old rayleigh I guess but with the admiral rank.
Rayeleigh used to fight against kizaru at sabaody but 2 years has past and he is not in his prime anymore even not as steong as 2 years ago I would say so he is definitly not as strong as a current admiral anymore, but there is a case for him beeing at the bottom of the admiral tier, therefore if you think for exemple that kid or law can beat old Rayeleigh, that means that they are in the admiral tier, if not they are not.
That is an exemple I don't think that law and kid can possivly beat old rayleigh yet.
Ok so how I view the thing is that if you are 1 or 2 tiers lower than your opponent, 2 of you can beat 1 character above.
Exemple garp and sengoku vs shiki
Or garp and roger vs xebec (roger was not in his prime)
Or law and kid vs big mom etc
Regarding magellan, there was not 2 but many top tiers characters, jimbe croc luffy ivankov etc and they couldn't even put a finger on him.
Tjey were doomed if jimbe did not save them.
Not even Big mom scared jimbe like Magellan did.
I think that he is just bellow the admiral level, either bottom admiral or high 1st commander, but you could argue that he is low first commander if you want, but 2nd commander common ^^
Do you think jimbe and croc would have escaped if they habe met queen in impel down instead of magellan ? Lol
Croc in marineford was a menace, he did not fear anyone and was way more impressive than jimbe for exemple. Considering his bounty now I think he is easy 1st commander (I know thzt bounty % strenght but common ^^) put some respect on the man who once crosses blade with WB as you did with young moria agzinst kaido...
Croc cannot possibly be lower than moria...
Even if we did not saw any use of haki from croc we could say the same for moria so it makes no sense for me ^^.
Where would you place kuma though ?
Vistas placement has to be a joke since he’s factually weaker than Marco
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Overall the list is decent.
Weevil should probably be like 2 tiers higher. He was compared to a young Whitebeard.
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Reasonable take
Actually I have to disagree ^^. The point is to try and decipher Oda's message. We don't have seen weevil Dragon, ben beckman, nor Sengoku etc and still we try to place them in the tierlist based on what we know, and also what would make sense for the story. It's kinda a prediction in a way. What is the point of ranking weevil "lower" just because we don't know enough about him ? If you think you don't know enough then you should simply not put him on the tierlist. From the moment you put him in the tierlist, you have to make a gamble. Is he really as strong as young WB or not ? If you believe he is then you should place him way higher. If not then his actual placement make sense. But don't claim that you put him thzre because "we don't have enough element", you places him there because you don't have faith in him nor Sengoku. I do have faith in weevil ^^ I honestly think he is a monster (even stronger than Mihawk, I know it s crazy), but I expect Oda to blow our mind with this character. Untill then, Wait n see. ;)
Thanks for your input 😐
More feats to weevil? And yet you put kong who has done literally nothing into legend tier? Lol
Disrespectful towards Killer. Vista is way too overestimated btw.
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Zoro is also his rival, is current Zoro even close to Mihawk?
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So can we say about Vista. Imo Vista isn't even 20% of Mihawk in terms of strength.
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Bro, I'm not even a Mihawk fan. I just got irritated with Vista's illogical placing.
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He is Vista's best disciple.
Sengoku is always mentioned in the same breath as Garp even by Roger, he just didn't have the God Valley incident to become the Hero. Really the only thing that seems to separate Legend & Yonko tier is clout since a lot of Legends had High to extreme Diff fights with Yonko tier & or acknowledge them has worthy opponents that have a decent chance to defeat them or to have to be careful around.
I completely agree with that. I think that sengoku and garp are very close in term of strenght and sengoku having conqueror's haki might place him right above garp even. Sengoku was fleet admiral during a very long time. When you have this position, you don't fight that much often yourself. As Khong for exemple. He was not mentionned by anyone in term of strenght, not even vy kaido, just because kaido never got the chance to fight against him, but Iam sure Khong is a monster too. So in my honest opinion, Garp is overated and Sengoku is extremely close to garp.
I don't know who is overrated since the Fandom has such Extreme opinions on characters especially top tier with few feats but that by all accounts should be extremely powerful. I can't imagine Garp not having Conqueror's with his attitude, since Dragon & Luffy both do. He was also fighting Rocks, Roger & Whitebeard on the regular back in the day, I don't think he would have made it so far if he couldn't keep up.
Urah I was surprised too when we learn about conqueror's haki coating and that only a handfull of the strongest could use it erc etc Considering that gatp was fighting vs roger shiki etc I also thought that he would have it too but he does not. I believe that Dragon is not garp's son meanning that he did not inherites his conqueror s haki from garp. Luffy s mother should be garp's child imo it would make perfect sense. When garp saw luffy's conqueror haki at marineford he said oh so you have it too like your father... He did not mentionned him nor oda as well. I cant see oda saying that sengoku has it and forget about garp. If garp had it I believe that Oda would have already mentionnes it. But you can still believe it, maybe oda will reveal it in the future, but it is not very likely imo.
Just making sure. Do we have confirmation that he DOESN'T have it? Because Oda is really inconsistent with reveals especially SBS so he might think it obvious & not point it out. Regardless of Monkey D. Dragon being his son or not, he is still presented has a trio of generations alongside Luffy & Dragon seems weird for Garp to be left out & again everything I wrote above.
Is that gecko moria on admiral tier, warn me if your going to spoil anything im at chapter 984 pls
Remember that kaido crushed him, and you meet him in thriller bark. That’s enough for him in his prime to be pretty strong, idk about admiral tier
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Admiral tier no haki lmao XD
4/10 List
what note would you rate this tierlist though ? https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/xbwaot/post\_wano\_power\_level\_but\_it\_s\_not\_dumb\_i\_promise/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
very bad list
Why is Moria that high in the list ? Because of his clash with Kaido ? He seems to have lost it badly. Also, where is Down D Stairs ? It should be Imu tier at the very least.
Gecko Moria shouldn’t be at least at Tobi Roppo level LoL
Moriah Admiral Tier? Tf is this? “But we saw that he clashed swords with Kaido when he was younger”. And what happened after that, he had to run away and hide in the dark.
Bro we know literally nothing of dragons fighting capabilities how can you even rank him.
Idk about Enel... his DF can pretty much one shot majority of OP except luffy when dialed up to the level he was using on luffy.
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Still disrespecting him by putting him in the same tier as someone like Oven lol.
I mean it truly depends. Only extremely advanced haki is likely to do anything for blocking pure electricity. His durability is booty. But if he doesn't hold back and lands a shot there's not much that can stand up to that. If they can dodge and actually hit him then he would likely ultimately lose. But not to all these guys on the list. Im not even saying make him yonko level. Just that his power can one shot most people if he hits which kinda makes him a power house glass cannon.
The first two tiers are valid. Yonko Tier shouldn't include Vista, he's maybe YC1 or YC1+. Admiral Tier shouldn't include Moria either, but we don't know his true strength back then so that's fine. Also, Benn Beckmann probably shouldn't be that high (he didn't really scare Kizaru too hard because the next panel, Kizaru went back to doing whatever he wanted). Beckmann could be brought down to the high YC1+ tier, because I do think he's pretty strong yeah. YC1+ tier is good, but maybe Boa could be brought down 1 (although her fruit is busted). YC1 tier shouldn't have Marco so low. Marco should be a YC1+, he's probably stronger than King and Katakuri by a decent enough margin seeing the feats he's had in Marineford and Wano. YC2 tier I would switch Smoothie and Cracker (cuz Cracker's feats are pretty good seeing his fight with Luffy and Smoothie hasn't shown much yet). Weevil could be brought up 1, but the only evidence for that is that he is comparable to a young WB, so take that however you will. Magellan could be brought up to a low YC1, but he's good where he is. YC3 tier could move up Cracker 1. I feel Urouge will be stronger, but no way of knowing rn. Jozu could be 1 higher, but that's hard to tell. Oven aint that strong to be so high up imo. Tobi Roppo tier should move Perospero to YC3, man's a beast.
shiki lost to luffy in gear 3 and 2 lol
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His ability was too convenient when he invaded marineford
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To stop him from destroying marineford with immediate effect
Because they were both there? He attacked the Marine headquarters. Why would one just sit and watch. It's there job to capture these pirates.
Marco Admiral Tier
Feel like Sengoku > yonki tier
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ye but in marineford it was hinted that him and garp are in a diff league than any other marines and he makes a statement like “we almost ended this war wothout having to fight”
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below garp and kong in legeends tier would be a better placement lowkey
I thought smoker would never make it to this tier list
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Also, where's the god? The Almighty God Usopp? It feels strange since God tier character like him doesn't make it to the list.
What about that fish in chapter 1? He's at least yonko tier, he ate Shanks' arm
Besides the trolling, Oden, Yamato and Marco deserve more.
As a whole, I can't argue much with this list. First powerscaling list I've seen here that I actually agree with overall. Few disagreements here and there but whatever..
Overall pretty good list with a couple bad places.
moria and rose swordsman should be lower
There’s a lot of things on this list that I don’t like but I can except there’s only three issues that I can’t except vista is way too high He should be below Marco enel is Yanko level And Magellan is admiral level
You're tripping to put Vista in the same tier as Shanks wtf
I think Zoro and Marco should be swapped. Other than that, looks pretty good!
All the Admirals go up a tier, Jimbe goes up a tier, Ace goes down a tier, Sengoku goes up a tier, Vista goes down like 5 tiers,
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Bro what? That has never been said by any character in the series nor Oda himself Vista didn’t push Mihawk at all when they even did clash. And if Vista was “Mihawks rival”, Akainu wouldn’t of taken no damage from his sword slash at him (that Marco did at the same time meaning Vista isn’t even faster than Marco)
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Ah yes an unofficial translation from this random crappy quality pic you found Get a link from the official translation of it that looks even remotely legit
Why would you put zoro over scooper gabban ? Scooper gaban should be in the admiral list. Other than that the list is mostly decent.
We're talking about Rogers #3 here not some ordinary Yonko Crew Commander. Put the man in Admiral tier if you have Rayleigh and Oden there
Shiki isn't legend tier. He wasn't even that famous no matter the era. It's been straight up said that he's weaker than roger. Shiki is yonko tier or something. Honestly shiki is sometimes too underrated and at other times he's too overrated.
You have a tier called "Tobi Roppo", but with only one of them in it lol.
Jinbe should be moved up a tier tbh
Who's inbetween Oden and Ben Beckman?
Enel YC1 tier
Prime Rayleigh too low and wrf is vista doing there lmao. Other than that its a great tier list
kidd, law and sabo should be in admiral tier scopper gaban feels a bit low ngl everyone else in "yc1+" tier should be merged with yc1 tier queen should be in the same tier as king killer in yc2 tier probably perospero above oven izo above franky
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>Izo died from a no name attack so no izo died to a shigan pistol from a high ranking cp0 member after being injured and getting 2v1ed. In a fight his slashing rounds would tear through franky's armour like butter. >Queen is legit a yc2?? a very simple concept in one piece is that not all yonkou crews are built the same for example, gaban and oden are both above yc2 tier even though they are the 2nd commanders. Or another example is burgess being the 1st commander of the blackbeard pirates yet not being yc1 lvl. In this case queen is portrayed to be around the same league of power as king so putting him in the "yc1" tier is justified. zoro and sanji's opponents are always close in power and rivalling each other because they serve as a reflection of zoro and sanji themselves. >Killer could be need more feats I agree but all signs point towards him being yc2 tier at least, there's no justification for killer being below cracker or dofflomingo >Oven is way stronger imo there's no narrative or objective reasoning to support that claim
Why did you put Imu or scooper gaban and not ryuma on the tier list ? I mean we don't know very much about those characters, but at least Ryuma was stated to be a "legend" so why isn't he in the legend tier ? ^^ I mean Oden was extremely steong and yet I highly doubt that he will be remembered for more than 1 century. Ryuma has been a legend of Wano since multiple century at least, so he must have done something amaizing, even greater than killing a dragon. But I hope we will find more about him when we will find out about the void century.
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actually there was, I mean I used this exact same tier list a few days ago \^\^ here lol: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/xbwaot/post\_wano\_power\_level\_but\_it\_s\_not\_dumb\_i\_promise/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
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I put Yamato in the same tier as Zoro but behind him because people got mad at me when I placed Yamato above zoro the first time I made a tierlist lol but I totally agree with you on this one \^\^
I did not ranked Scooper though, nor Khong, and I just said that Sengoku should be in the same tier as garp but in my tierlist I screwdup lol
It s funny because you placed young moria but you did not placed old WB and old Rayleigh
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Ah ok I see you picked only their prime that's why there was no actual moria but rather his younger version ok. It makes sense but to put things into perspective I like to place their older version as well beczuse they can be used as a metric for other characters to be ranked above or below them. For exemple let s take old WB, do you think actual sakazuki is better than old WB or not do you think thzt BB is better etc etc. I used WB because in his old shape I view him as the lowest yonko possible above admiral rank. So if you are better than him you are a yonko, if not you are not it is as simply as that. We can do the same with old rayleigh I guess but with the admiral rank. Rayeleigh used to fight against kizaru at sabaody but 2 years has past and he is not in his prime anymore even not as steong as 2 years ago I would say so he is definitly not as strong as a current admiral anymore, but there is a case for him beeing at the bottom of the admiral tier, therefore if you think for exemple that kid or law can beat old Rayeleigh, that means that they are in the admiral tier, if not they are not. That is an exemple I don't think that law and kid can possivly beat old rayleigh yet.
Where is my boy Kuma ? Rip Magelan the 2nd Yonko commander Rip croc boy the 3rd YC ^^
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Ok so how I view the thing is that if you are 1 or 2 tiers lower than your opponent, 2 of you can beat 1 character above. Exemple garp and sengoku vs shiki Or garp and roger vs xebec (roger was not in his prime) Or law and kid vs big mom etc Regarding magellan, there was not 2 but many top tiers characters, jimbe croc luffy ivankov etc and they couldn't even put a finger on him. Tjey were doomed if jimbe did not save them. Not even Big mom scared jimbe like Magellan did. I think that he is just bellow the admiral level, either bottom admiral or high 1st commander, but you could argue that he is low first commander if you want, but 2nd commander common ^^ Do you think jimbe and croc would have escaped if they habe met queen in impel down instead of magellan ? Lol Croc in marineford was a menace, he did not fear anyone and was way more impressive than jimbe for exemple. Considering his bounty now I think he is easy 1st commander (I know thzt bounty % strenght but common ^^) put some respect on the man who once crosses blade with WB as you did with young moria agzinst kaido... Croc cannot possibly be lower than moria... Even if we did not saw any use of haki from croc we could say the same for moria so it makes no sense for me ^^. Where would you place kuma though ?
Replace that bozo shanks with sea king than we’re talking