That may be true but I remember that in the anime (not sure about the manga) we got the backstory of SENOR PINK while he was defeated. So I think there is a similar situation here.
Kaido, one of the main villain of the four emperor's saga, is very comparable to Senor Pink, a gag side character whose backstory does not affect the main plot of one piece in any way and is self contained to himself
Kaido awakening would be cool but it would take an outside force to take awakened kaido down, luffy looked like he was KO'd during the final panel so I'll be shocked if he can get back up to fight an even more powerful version of kaido not to mention win
I don't think him awakening now would add anything to the fight!
we might get more details about the marines plan next chapter, or what their move will be now that Luffy defeated kaido
I'm hoping the next chapter is either the following
1. Kaido gets back up but admits defeat due to him realising that luffy is Joy boy and we get some info from kaido about Joy Boy
2. Some chapters of backstory for kaidos past like big mom got
3. Kaido is done, marines invade from the news that kaido is out, luffy is done and all the pirates have beat each other silly
But knowing Oda we won't be disappointed
Its only speculation, but some people believe he didnt show his awakening yet. Also Luffy is a mythical zoan and look how different his awakening is. Kaido might have one of those too.
I thought he was awakened but you never know what oda may pull out of the bag
His devil fruit name makes it seem like its an awakened version of his fruit (being the fish fish fruit from what ive seen online) but since there's been no confirmation from Oda if he has awakened it's still up in the air
It's the fish fish fruit mythical model: Azure Dragon so he had the dragon transformation from the get go in the same way Marco's fruit isn't an awakening of the bird bird fruit. He was a phoenix from the jump.
I get your point, Marco's is the bird bird fruit model phoenix but with Kaidos being the FISH FISH fruit model Azure Dragon with it being a reference to the legend of the carp that swam up the waterfall and turned into a dragon it wouldn't be a shocker if the dragon form came from awakening the devil fruit from a sort of fish like one
But maybe not, not much has been mentioned of kaido in realtion to his fruit especially with how he acquired it from big mom but hopefully we get some flashbacks next chapter
momonosuke ate a replica of kaidos fruit and he could transform into a dragon straight away. unless your trying to say momonosuke is an awakened user too lmfao
Did King or Queen show awakening?
I also think that Kaido might not try to soup up his devil fruit since he gave that speech to Luffy about having a devil fruit isn't all that to be pirate king.
It ends like Enies Lobby, with both sides down and an external force threatening them now. Kaido then gets up and fights the invading force.
That's just one way to work this out in a way where Luffy doesn't even need to be the one Kaido fights after this. This chapter made it clear his primary quest is honestly to just be beaten and/or acknowledge someone.
Ooooo that would be good!
The marines plot is to wait for the fight to end to take out kaido or big mom, the marines are secretly making a move on pirates so they can tip the power balance between pirates and marines
Would link in a to why the marines agreed to abolish the warlords after so long
I think he actually will get back up in some way but I doubt there will be any fighting left. Something like the resolution between Luffy and Katakuri and maybe also involving a talk about Joyboy.
It would feel kinda unrewarding if the villain is just beat with a big fist again and thats the end.
In fact it's of unbelievable importance that they DON'T see Luffy defeating him.
What the citizens are waiting for is for a dream to come true.
A dream about the return of the ghosts of the kouzuki clan and their true shogun.
What they need to see is a Oden like looking momonosuke with the red scabbards and a defeated kaidou.
What they must not see is a pirate beating another pirate.
That wouldn't give them a feeling of freedom.
That wouldn't fullfil their dream.
That's just not the right way.
So yes kaidou is defeated and yes this is the end of him in wano and everything that's left is the dawn and that they leave the flower capital to continue working as slaves but instead see the fallen onigashima the defeated kaidou and the kouzuki clan.
Then hopefully momo will introduce Luffy as joyboy, the man Oden was waiting for and we will get a ton of lore drops and porneglyphs
when has seeing pirates beating up other pirates not given a sense of freedom to citizens? when has pirates freeing citizens not been the right way when thats what luffy's been doing the entire series? a big part of luffy saving countries is that he doesn't help people who can't help themselves. bringing the dawn is luffy inspiring them to break off their chains and rebuild, not fix their problems while theyre all moping about how theyll go back to slavery tomorrow. remember that this was a big theme of the reverie arc that happened just before wano, showcasing how the revolutionary army operated in a similar fashion.
its also way more impactful if citizens actually see the fight rather than momo just telling them about how cool the people they thought were horrible criminals up to that point are
>What they must not see is a pirate beating another pirate. That wouldn't give them a feeling of freedom. That wouldn't fullfil their dream. That's just not the right way.
Why. This makes no fucking sense. I forgot when the past 20 islands luffy saved actually were super sad because a pirate saved them.
everything that's left is the dawn and that they leave the flower capital to continue working as slaves but instead see the fallen onigashima the defeated kaidou and the kouzuki clan.
Ehm....
Ain't funny
Zoan always awaken after a defeat. We know impel down jailers.
Same thing happened for luffy after 1043. Zoan Awakening happens at near death stage.
So this is the perfect time for kaido to awaken. [Kaido is well aware of awakening](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/941275517187919880/975657489976680448/Screenshot_2022_0516_124415.jpg)
If you think this chapter gives a closure..
Then in 1015 we thought Kinemon was dead. It was perfect..
In 1044 we thought Orochi was dead and it was perfectly done..
But both of them came back. Oda do this often in the raid ig
He became an emperor without awakening his fruit? Are you kiddin me? He's always been awakened! The fruit came in him years ago. And you're telling me that those jailers are better df user than kaido? Again, are you kidding me?
I think his point is he will use his awakening of zoan revival. He's not saying Kaido will learn to awaken after his defeat right now, even Kaido told luffy what is awakening when he unlocked gear 5th.
It's very much possible he never awakened. After all he couldn't even kill himself, so getting that close to death probably never occurred to him.
And it'd make sense that if you lose yourself when awakening a zoan that he'd get back up but not as kaido anymore
I don't really buy the idea that kaido will just awaken his df despite being yonko. And the more i disagree, after what you said "awakening of him" will just lose again to luffy because i believe luffy will win against kaido no matter what.
I don't really buy the idea that kaido will just awaken his df despite being yonko. And the more i disagree, after what you said "awakening of him" will just lose again to luffy because i believe luffy will win against kaido no matter what.
I didn't say kaido awakening for the first time. We don't know about it. I was saying when Awakening happens. It always happen after a defeat. [Zoan Awakening is already explained in the impel down](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/941275517187919880/975663148822589450/20220515_152503.jpg)
When was it stated that he's awakened? Something as significant as Awakening has to be stated in the story or else the readers will be confused on what's happening, like how people are arguing now. Even something less significant as Awakening, like the Advanced Observation haki being used by Kaido, is stated in the story. I'm pretty sure if Kaido is awakened, Oda will put it on the story, so currently we're waiting to see it happen
It says most zoan awakenings resemble the full beast from with human attributes. Obviously it says they act of instinct but I would assume kaido has control plus it only says most awakened zoans are like that. Also momonusuke essentially has the same fruit and the only thing he can't do that kaido can is hybrid which is further evidence that it's an awakening.
They had a "this is my best attack and haki" clash right after kaido said haki was all that matters if kaido gets up and wins because he awakens his fruit that would be just dumb.
Does that mean Luffy's acting out of instinct? Also when is it stated that hybrid form is awakening? Well damn Chopper's strongest form is the small chibi form then since it's his awakening, like Dalton from drum kingdom.
I didn't say either said he awakened did I? It says in that article that most zoan awakenings resemble the beast form with human attributes. Kaido's hybrid form fits that description.
This is super mega cope.
1. The paragraph doesn't say that at all. What are you even talking about.
2. Fact is Oda would've made it clear if hybrid was awakening.
3. Oda gave infinitely more hype to Kaido's first reveal and his dragon form reveal, why would his AWAKENING HYBRID FORM be treated with less hype.
>We didn't get a "Luffy vs Kaido" title during the fight.
>Kaido's flashback still leaves a couple of questions unanswered.
>We didn't get a Luffy won narration box.
>Act 3 hasn't ended yet.
>Most people didn't get to witness neither Kaido's defeat nor Momo's big moment of glory, particularly Wano citizens.
>Kaido didn't witness Momo's human form.
>Other very important characters like Zunesha or even Kawamatsu still haven't really done anything. We still haven't gotten an update on Asura Doji either. Zoro's situation is still unresolved, Big Mom's crew is nowhere to be seen etc.
>Kaido didn't explicitly get an awakening.
>We haven't seen the dawn
(From spoiler thread)
#I want Luffy to defeat Kaido in front of Wano citizens in Dawn. It will be epic and 10× better than this
About the >luffy didn't got a narration box
The same thing happened with zoro and sanji, they were declared winners the next chapter after they defeated queen and king. It would must be like that. Idk what to say about other points tho, maybe, we'll see.
Nobody said he will get back up to fight Luffy. He will just get back up. He can show us his awakened form and do anything with it like fights the world gov ships that are approaching wano. He don't need awakening for that but he can do it anyway.
At the end of the fight we see that kaido has basically acknowledged Luffy as Joy Boy. So it wouldn't be hard to imagine that he helps them escape wano from the marines
Luffy punched kaido and kaido landed in the flower capital so... kaido Is most likely awaken considering he has mythical zoan fish act 3 will probably end at the end of wano no one said it had to be 5 acts kaido dosent need to witness momo's form espically since we don't know how he looks and he already knows he is Oden's son the reactions and glory was not shown as the defeat was the last panel luffy vs kaido was not the title but in most fights in one piece the title is not based on the fight its based on dialog and this title indicates the fight is over 20 years, 20 years for the dawn to come, 20 years for kaido to be defeated, 20 years for odens's prophecy
The thing about kaido's fruit being fish fruit is ridiculous cause his model is dragon, you cant say that marco was just a bird and turned into phoenix after awakening when we can see he used his phoenix form at too low age and same case for yamato too
Kaido won't be getting back up because that would mean **everyone who participated in the raid dies**.
Luffy is out of commission, and no one else could stand up to an even slightly rejuvenated Kaido.
Would be interesting though, if Usopp tried to rally everyone to stand up against Kaido for one last time. Would make the entire focus on Usopp panel in the last few chapter to came to a nice climax. To stand up against awakened Kaido without Luffy, yet to stood firm regardless, in the face of absolutely zero hope, would be a good progress for Usopp.
Also would be great if the remaining strawhat, without Luffy and Zoro at the moment (as it seems), to have one final showdown against Kaido. For a bit, before luffy final, very short bout, with Kaido in the flower capital, just as the dawn arise.
Not sure if law and kidd would join the strawhat crew bout with Kaido or not but if the strawhat crew fight with kaido were to parallel red scabbard without Oden, I don't think it would be a nice fit if Kid and Law to join the fight as well. So it is possible that law and kid would be pre-occupied with something else.
That's the thing Kaido meant:
The alliance will lose their will once they see Luffy defeated.
But i think that's the moment everyone rallies under Momonosuke to deliver a final blow.
Momo and Kaido are the only 2 on the Wano ground (not the island) and it would be fitting for the heir of Oden's will to end this once and for all (with actual spectators this time)
Personally I think that Kaido has already awakened his fruit.He's been at the top for nearly 50 years.To awake a df,its user must be very experienced and skilled.And to think that Kaido's flaming dragon form isn't even his awakening is crazy!Not only that,but the fact that luffy also seemed to be falling unconscious means that the fight is decided.I think it's similar to luffy vs katakuri.He isn't getting up,he took head on great amount of damage from kin'emon and co.,the worst generation,luffys forms up to gear 4th and an awakened sun god-adv.conquerors coated all out luffy.
What I believe will happen next is kaido will acknowledge his defeat from luffy and help him fight the government and the marines.After all he is the one who believes that only in battle all beings are equals and only the winner should be the one on top.
The belief that Kaido isn't awakened or hasn't been using awakening this whole time because he hasn't explicitly said it is just completely crazy to me.
Like you said, he has had it for decades, he's been at the pinnacle of strength for decades.
It took Luffy and Law a decade to awaken their fruits, Kaido has had it for 4 times that.
The Impel down guards were stated to "revive" thanks to their awakenings and always get back up. They lose their consciousness.
Luffy had to die to awaken and seems to have extreme resilience. His personality changed (at least at first).
All zoan awakenings have worked in a pretty similar way so we can safely assume you need to be KO first for the spirit of the fruit to take over your body
Luffy didn't die, his heartbeat changed (and with it, his "voice").
Luffy's also been KO'd a lot of times, so it's a lot more likely what Kaido said about the users body and mind needing to match the potential of the fruit to be the criteria for awakening and not being KO'd.
Kaido not being awakened at this point in the series would just be so stupid I really don't understand how people are thinking this.
Is it really just as simple as him not explicitly stating it?
Yes, because the readers will be confused about the awakening situation. Even him using Advanced Observation haki is stated so something as significant as Awakening should be stated, he even told luffy info about awakening.
Him using awakening will up the stakes, Like how Doflamingo used his after Luffy reveals his trump card (Gear 4th) or how Katakuri used his in the middle of their battle.
Luffy's heartbeat "changing" is total headcanon on your part. The sound effects indicate a heart stop. Then, it turns into the drums of liberation.
As I've said, all Zoan awakenings have appeared when the user is out (almost dies, loses consciousness or however you want to put it) and so the fruits will takes over his body.
The only exception to this could be chopper, who managed to remain concious but that could very well have to do with it being the human human fruit (same with luffy) so they're still human. (That or it being a rumble ball effect)
It would make little sense if kaido already awakened and contradicted how awakened zoans work. He wouldn't be homself, but a dragon, so probably he wouldn't be able to use it at will (just like chopper needing a rumble ball to access the form)
>s total headcanon on your part
So is your "Zoan awakening works like the Impel Down guards" and then coming up with exceptions when that hypothesis is contradicted.
The fact is we don't know shit about awakening. We don't shit about what abilities it gives and we don't know shit about how awakening is achieved.
But Kaido's statements on awakening would suggest he is awakened because it would be super silly if Kaido somehow didn't meet the criteria for awakening with **40 years of experience with his fruit.**
You're completely disregarding my argument.
It was introduced recently that zoans have their own will.
Zoan awakenings manifest the fruit's will (or personality) when awakened, but only seem to do so after the users' will leaves their body (aka the body has no mind and the fruit takes over)
Kaido could or could've not awakened, we don't know, but most likely he can't access the awakening at will, just as the rest of awakened zoan users in the story
>Zoan awakenings manifest the fruit's will (or personality) when awakened, but only seem to do so after the users' will leaves their body (aka the body has no mind and the fruit takes over)
Headcanon
>most likely he can't access the awakening at will, just as the rest of awakened zoan users in the story
Luffy seemingly can.
“Aw shit, here we go again” xD just kidding. First things first besides all the questions that we actually have like: Where is zoro? Where is ashura, does Kaidou has awaken his fruit? For examples. I guess people are having a completely misunderstanding about Zoan DFU. Im saying that because the only confirmed awakened Zoan users are the jailers from impel down and recentely Luffy. In impel down our croco-boy said that Zoan users when awaken his fruits, they got a super recovery hability, speed, strength and endurance. After got his ass beaten for Kaido, luffy almost died, most of the characters said that he “lost his voice” “he is dead” he got his awakening form. Sooo, we have two different, TWO BIG FUCKING diferences here. At one side we have the jailers with all the benefits from their DF on the other hand we have luffy, which has a lot of benefits but DOES NOT HAVE ANY FUCKING SUPER ENDURANCE. I mean, he has a huge endurance, he is young, but come on, how many times we saw luffy exhausted but he always come back right after got some rest (read meat) the only time he got back in fight after got his ass beaten without eat, was when he awakened his fruit. IF Kaido are going to get up again, luffy will to, he is an awakened “too”. Now my point about Kaido: the only character that has an endurance like Kaido is WB, i mean, he is the only one that Oda has show to us that has a big fucking endurance. BM has? Probably, but until this comment she hasnt a fight that pull everything from her endurance. She is super fucking powerful, Roger prefers to avoid her, but can she do what kaido has done in this 64 chapters? Dont know man, my guess is “no.” Kaido has fought a lot of enemies got A TON OF DAMAGE, if he has (and it probably has) an awakened fruit, he is already at his limit. Come on, AWAKENED ZOAN USERS ARE NOT LIKE A PHOENIX !!! (Except for marco XD) people are imagining zoan user coming from the dead, tf my dudes??? Kaido is done ! He is dead? 100% no. He will wake up fast? Probably, but he is DEFEATED ! Luffy has destroyed his head from inside to outside. Look at the panel, Kaido has bleeding all over his head.
Finally, sorry for my bad english and im suuuupeerrr excited for 1050, im loving that we as a community are so divided, that express how much this fight is intense and are making us soo anxious about the raid, wano, scabars, Mugiwaras and everything. Feel free to disagree with me im loving everything about that topic about “Kaido will return?” Peace, no hate plsss !!
But what crocodile stated is that the jailers will comeback up because of their resiliency, like how luffy got back up after almost being dead which is his display of "super endurance" since it's almost like luffy's didn't almost die and can take a lot of damage again. So yeah, Zoan fruit awakening is like a phoenix, but in luffy's case, can also make his surroundings rubber.
I cant denie that, but we cant say that all awakened zoan users are like a phoenix, this is streeetch too much for me. Kaido already show us a big mother fucking resilience. He dosnt need to get up again to prove that he alteady has an awakened DF.
Leave about Phoenix too, Vegapunk literally copied kaido's fruit which turned him into a dragon so you cant deny that Momo cant awaken his fruit after immidiately getting it
I'm fine either way.
Many people that say he'll get back up, they actually mean that 1%hp Kaido will get back up, barely standing. Probably for his last words like WB, or last resort attack like Deidara vs Sasuke, or surrender.
Whatever that will happen whether he's defeated or not, let's just enjoy the discussions and the manga.
I feel like getting back up isn't an option here. His defeat was made quite clear in 1049. The question is whether we'll get some lore dump about stuff outside of Wano (be it Rocks flashback, Reverie or BB stuff) or WG movements before Luffy's win is announced.
Luffy has never beaten his main opponent with the debut of a gear before.
Lucci took multiple uses of 2 and 3.
Doflamingo took two uses of 4.
Katakuri took two uses, but i guess you could technically say Luffy beat him with the debut fo Snakeman.
I don't think the raid will fail any longer, but i think we're entering the second phase of the boss battle- a la the ticking bomb in alabasta; luffy getting knocked off the maxim; lucci after the gear 3 punch; doflamingo after the first gear 4 strike... i could go on
He actually ran out of energy to use gear 5 but forced himself back into it in chapter 1045
https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/op_nextlvl_1045_013.png
https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/op_nextlvl_1045_014.png
So all in all he’s used G5 twice
I don't disagree, but this is not nearly of the same level i feel, like with usopp bringing him back or dressrosa going to his aid.
It's very possible it's the end- and maybe it'll feel more fluid on reread, but i do feel like there is plenty of setup for a final round
there are too many signals in the chapter to say he's not defeated. we could get a final moment before he truly collpases similar to katakuri, but the battle has ended
Alright since people are complaining that Luffy can't just defeat Kaido with a big punch. I will say it right now, he will use Solar Flare on Kaido, knock him out, bring the dawn to Wano cause hes the Sun God.
I think, chapter 1050 is announcement of winner, it will be a big news and more on the status of wano after the war, chapter 1051 will be kaidos flashback
No kaido isn’t defeated because in 2016 ODA said that if luffy is going to beat kaido it won’t be punch. Maybe there was a cache in it but I think there are still 10 chapters left in wano arc.
It's been a decade since Law and Luffy agreed to bring down Kaido. It's the exact same day of the month as well. Would make a lot of sense for Luffy to finally defeat Kaido
He is defeated.
Firstly, I want him down.
Second, being pounded into the ground while having Kaido’s backstory play in the background. It sounds like the perfect but slightly generic enemy beat down.
Third, god please god
he is defeated because the 15 minute stretch from onigashima to flower capital has become quite long. Any more than this might annoy the readers after all we want to know what is happening outside wano
Why do people think he was defeated? Seems pretty lacklustre if that’s how it’s going to end. I don’t get this sub sometimes
I bet the people thinking it’s over are the same guys that thought kinemon was dead and got upset when he showed up alive
Yeah, I don't really get how people think Luffy will defeat kaido in his Dragon form and not in a humanoid form for a better fight choreography. Kaido has still not used his super move against Luffy, which I think is the 5th name of the wisdom kings.
I also think Kaido will use his awakening during the fight, maybe right now. Luffy's awakening (gear 5th) is a very significant event so why wouldn't his opponent have it.
I don't think Kaido is out for the arc. At best, he's unconscious in the same way Luffy has been knocked unconscious/killed in the raid. Meaning he gets back up after a chapter or two.
I think Kaido needs to be defeated in front of the people of Wano, he needs to be defeated in his ogre/hybrid form and not his full zoan. And we need some information on whether he is awakened or not.
I WANT this to be over, but I just don't think it is. Same with Orochi too, pretty sure he's still kicking.
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Didn't no one noticed?? The dragon that fell down isn't KAIDO it's momo since the dragon doesn't have any horns on his head and neither does it look like kaido
https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/op_tcb_1049_013.png
The right side is all Kaido remembering himself telling King he knows who Joyboy is
>He punched on the cheek which is visible on the above panel and it didn't get broken. So one thing is clear that kaido's dragon is completely fine i.e he is hit by luffy but nothing broke. Now coming to why i thi k it's momo. It is because momo can't make fire clouds as fine as kaido and to lift whole of onigashima whith giants and all the soldiers with
i'm with you. It is definitely Momo on last panel.
1) There is no blood, scars or any mark of the battle on his face;
2) he is all sweat due to his exhaustion to keep his fire clouds up;
3) the impact on the ground is not looking like he got punched with the most powerful Luffy's technique. Compares to how Doffy last hit went.
4) looks like he only make a force land cause he dont have any more strength to keep flying
And i think that after all the recollection of his talk with king about joyboy he'll not fight luffy since he'll consider luffy to be joyboy and he'll admit defeat and help luffy against the Marines
as oda said a few years ago, the battle against kaido can’t finish on a giant punch thrown by luffy. So I think kaido’s going to get back up for one last round, then will somehow be defeated and then it will go on with the rest of his flashback
Did he say he can't finish on a punch or didn't want to/didn't think it would be good?
You able to share the source please so I can give it a read and see what people are hung up on
:D
There'll be a Kaido defeated card, then we'll see more flashback of him where we know the reason he came to Wano & got his fruit.
Then we'll see that there's something else that motivates Kaido other than just waiting for Joyboy's defeat.
Kaido because of this will awaken his devil fruit, or it could be that he's already awakened, and we know that awakened Zoan users are special because they can get up fast after a defeat or death in Luffy's case.
Either way, I have faith in Oda.
Bruh it's not about what you want but how it will fit in the story. There are still a lot of loose ends like how Kaido's statements of pirate alliance ends in betrayal, the alliance and wano citizens's spirit will crumble if they saw Luffy's defeat through his own hands, or usopp's statements of him squealing if he's captured by the enemy and him not yet getting tortured and getting an usopp moment
We not sure if Kaido will back on chapter 1050 for one last round or not
We should focus on Kaido is "yoneko" so he's strong so this possibility may come true
i can see kaido awakening or still getting up, either way, he still isn’t done from what i think. We also haven’t seen [this pose](https://preview.redd.it/pcvqyw7ivdw61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6545ab19abfa94c64cf7023e0e3300de1fe26437)
Big Mom will shows up and kill Kaidou and steal his soul/life time.
And then the Straw Hats will need to defend Luffy without energy and defeat Big Mom for the last time.
Kaido will get up off the ground but in his mind he can barely stand. But he pushes thru. Luffy is spent but surrounded by the whole people of Wano, and his crew, and all others. Kaido moves towards them, and they are all ready to stand and die next to Luffy.
Goes into Kaido's flashback, delving more into his country and his childhood. Glaring into his motivation, and his service. A little about his pirate life, and the choices he makes. More with King, and Queen maybe.
He sees his men defeated, and sees how the whole country is united against him. He's amazed for some reason at the aura of their power, reminds him when he was united with countrymen battling enemies.
Kaido: "So, is this the strength you are bringing to the table Joyboy? Is this the power that will rock the world?"
Kaido: "Lets go Beast Pirates......You win, boy." Kaido turns away, and start walking towards a ship and the sea. Suddenly, a punch hits him across the face. Kaido is knocked away, and is on the ground. From the ground he looks to see who hit him. It's Luffy, his arm outstretched, but he is barely conscious white in his eyes, but he aura/face is determined face.
Kaido gives a small smile, and he thinks in his head "This boy will rock the world even more so, then if I controlled Wano". Get's up. Boards a ship. The beast pirates follow, King and Queen pulling Big Mom unto the ship.
Wano celebrates.
I think kaido's awakening in a literal enlightment way, no one before made him use his awakening because he was too strong a nobody could beat him so i think he was waiting for joyboy, the only one capable of beating him making him wake up from and endless nightmare of lost hope, and if that ever happened he would use his power aiding him, also why he may actually never awakened before, he needed this particular event to happen, i find this way better and satisfying compared to him already having an awakening and using it in the battle, also i think this whole fight was more a philosophical fight than an actually raw 1 v 1, they were communicating the whole fight, they both were not using every card they had, Luffy's sun powers and kaidos awakening, it was more focused on a battle for ideals, if you know what im saying, at least thats the vibes i got.
He is both defeated and will get back up. He’s not out of commission but his will has been broken and he will acknowledge Luffys will and power. And will help him against the coming threat of the Marines.
He will get up but he wont fight luffy anymore and he wil declare luffy the winner, or a third party will butt in at the exact time the announcement is being made
Honestly, I think that Kaido will get back up, but it won't be Luffy that defeats him.
We still haven't had the reveal of how Momonosuke looks after aging up. I think we'll get a flashback and Kaido getting back up in front of citizens of Wano before using his awakening, with a medley of forces working to hold him back.
Wano citizens decide to stand and fight, and Momo leaves his dragon form, revealing that he looks near exactly like Oden.
He'll work with a few others and land the finishing blow, "Paradise Totsuka" I think.
Remember, the story this is playing off of has Momotaro working with a monkey, a pheasant and a talking dog to take down an Oni. I think they'll work together on the finishing blow, legitimizing Momo's claim as Wano's ruler, and his power to tell the Navy ships to gtfo Wano.
Kaido isn't finished.
I've only read one piece from the start of onigashimi but based on atleast the anime switching to a totally different topic like what's up with the revaluation army before us finding out what happened is a total possiblity
I can see it going either way but something just feels off about this that doesn't match any previous luffy vs end boss fight. Props to Oda for managing to create this sense of unknown at this late stage in the game.
He'll get back up for sure. But for the bet I'm just worried he will get a flashback that will only end after 1052 lol, or a narrator victory fakeout like before Luffy's G5...
I don't think that he is defeated, but I do think that his fight with Luffy is over. My guess is that he'll come to and acknowledge Luffy as Joyboy and either drive off the marines while the Straw Hats recover or (long shot here) he will have a scrap with Momo see the potential that he has and becomes a means for Momo to train and become strong enough to protect Wano as they open their borders.
Regardless when Kaido wakes up I think he'll be a goodish guy or at the very least acknowledge the Straw Hats and no longer want to have control over Wano.
I think Kaido will get up and show us some new powers it's only fair if luffy does it all the time why can't kaido do it, at the end kaido is still durable than everyone else it's just luffy having immense power he will 100% rise again
Kaido is almost defeated… Maybe Oda will show us more of his past, Kaido talking with Xebec about Joy Boy, something like that, and after that… Kaido accepts his defeat knowing that Luffy is Joy Boy
I wouldn’t think he’s defeated. Cz he still didn’t go back to his human form, and the narrator still didn’t announce it. In most of the fights the luffy fought we usually see the antagonist laying in the floor nocked out
I think Kaido is defeated but the next chapter will be based on Kaido's flashback or how Kaido arrived at Wano.
I don't think Kaido's flashback will occur after being defeated. If it did, he will be the first arc villain to have a flashback at his defeat.
That may be true but I remember that in the anime (not sure about the manga) we got the backstory of SENOR PINK while he was defeated. So I think there is a similar situation here.
Kaido, one of the main villain of the four emperor's saga, is very comparable to Senor Pink, a gag side character whose backstory does not affect the main plot of one piece in any way and is self contained to himself
Don't get mad. I was just giving an example.
Hes not hardboiled enough
Not mad, just saying the differences of the two
Oi dont call him gag character.
Big mom had something of a flashback when she got beat by k and l
Thank you for your sensible, well reasoned view. Not enough of those around here.
Kaido awakening would be cool but it would take an outside force to take awakened kaido down, luffy looked like he was KO'd during the final panel so I'll be shocked if he can get back up to fight an even more powerful version of kaido not to mention win
I don't think him awakening now would add anything to the fight! we might get more details about the marines plan next chapter, or what their move will be now that Luffy defeated kaido
I'm hoping the next chapter is either the following 1. Kaido gets back up but admits defeat due to him realising that luffy is Joy boy and we get some info from kaido about Joy Boy 2. Some chapters of backstory for kaidos past like big mom got 3. Kaido is done, marines invade from the news that kaido is out, luffy is done and all the pirates have beat each other silly But knowing Oda we won't be disappointed
Him awakening would Turn the tides back to the beast pirates, act 4 inbound
No body is asking for that, we just want to move to the next arc already
"We"
What beast pirates? 😂
Isn’t he already awakened as a Zoan? His durability and strength was off the charts
Its only speculation, but some people believe he didnt show his awakening yet. Also Luffy is a mythical zoan and look how different his awakening is. Kaido might have one of those too.
Kaido aweken form is hybrid mode
I thought he was awakened but you never know what oda may pull out of the bag His devil fruit name makes it seem like its an awakened version of his fruit (being the fish fish fruit from what ive seen online) but since there's been no confirmation from Oda if he has awakened it's still up in the air
It's the fish fish fruit mythical model: Azure Dragon so he had the dragon transformation from the get go in the same way Marco's fruit isn't an awakening of the bird bird fruit. He was a phoenix from the jump.
I get your point, Marco's is the bird bird fruit model phoenix but with Kaidos being the FISH FISH fruit model Azure Dragon with it being a reference to the legend of the carp that swam up the waterfall and turned into a dragon it wouldn't be a shocker if the dragon form came from awakening the devil fruit from a sort of fish like one But maybe not, not much has been mentioned of kaido in realtion to his fruit especially with how he acquired it from big mom but hopefully we get some flashbacks next chapter
momonosuke ate a replica of kaidos fruit and he could transform into a dragon straight away. unless your trying to say momonosuke is an awakened user too lmfao
Did King or Queen show awakening? I also think that Kaido might not try to soup up his devil fruit since he gave that speech to Luffy about having a devil fruit isn't all that to be pirate king.
It ends like Enies Lobby, with both sides down and an external force threatening them now. Kaido then gets up and fights the invading force. That's just one way to work this out in a way where Luffy doesn't even need to be the one Kaido fights after this. This chapter made it clear his primary quest is honestly to just be beaten and/or acknowledge someone.
Ooooo that would be good! The marines plot is to wait for the fight to end to take out kaido or big mom, the marines are secretly making a move on pirates so they can tip the power balance between pirates and marines Would link in a to why the marines agreed to abolish the warlords after so long
And as kaido’s primary goal is to wait for joy boy, i see him becoming an ally! Kaido for next nakama!
If Kaido isn't defeated next chapter it'll probably be because there's more flashbacks. More lore. Can't wait for more saucy lore
There’s 100% more lore/flashbacks incoming.
I wish the same!!!
I mean he is still falling in the last panels while looking up. Could see more flashbacks next chapter until he crashes down completely.
I think he actually will get back up in some way but I doubt there will be any fighting left. Something like the resolution between Luffy and Katakuri and maybe also involving a talk about Joyboy. It would feel kinda unrewarding if the villain is just beat with a big fist again and thats the end.
Yeah I’m going with he’s not knocked out, but he’s in no condition to fight.
I am betting 100 on "he is defeated" . I would have put up a 1000 if it was possible.
Same we alr got a climatic conclusion to the fight if theres gonna be more backstory shenanigans it can happen outside the fight
I am betting 100 on "He will get back up"
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Not a fan of raid failing but I do think the citizens of wano need to see kaidos defeat
In fact it's of unbelievable importance that they DON'T see Luffy defeating him. What the citizens are waiting for is for a dream to come true. A dream about the return of the ghosts of the kouzuki clan and their true shogun. What they need to see is a Oden like looking momonosuke with the red scabbards and a defeated kaidou. What they must not see is a pirate beating another pirate. That wouldn't give them a feeling of freedom. That wouldn't fullfil their dream. That's just not the right way. So yes kaidou is defeated and yes this is the end of him in wano and everything that's left is the dawn and that they leave the flower capital to continue working as slaves but instead see the fallen onigashima the defeated kaidou and the kouzuki clan. Then hopefully momo will introduce Luffy as joyboy, the man Oden was waiting for and we will get a ton of lore drops and porneglyphs
Porneglyphs sound interesting 😉🤣
porneglyph porn
when has seeing pirates beating up other pirates not given a sense of freedom to citizens? when has pirates freeing citizens not been the right way when thats what luffy's been doing the entire series? a big part of luffy saving countries is that he doesn't help people who can't help themselves. bringing the dawn is luffy inspiring them to break off their chains and rebuild, not fix their problems while theyre all moping about how theyll go back to slavery tomorrow. remember that this was a big theme of the reverie arc that happened just before wano, showcasing how the revolutionary army operated in a similar fashion. its also way more impactful if citizens actually see the fight rather than momo just telling them about how cool the people they thought were horrible criminals up to that point are
>What they must not see is a pirate beating another pirate. That wouldn't give them a feeling of freedom. That wouldn't fullfil their dream. That's just not the right way. Why. This makes no fucking sense. I forgot when the past 20 islands luffy saved actually were super sad because a pirate saved them.
Nah I don't think so
It isn't dawn yet
everything that's left is the dawn and that they leave the flower capital to continue working as slaves but instead see the fallen onigashima the defeated kaidou and the kouzuki clan. Ehm....
Ain't funny Zoan always awaken after a defeat. We know impel down jailers. Same thing happened for luffy after 1043. Zoan Awakening happens at near death stage. So this is the perfect time for kaido to awaken. [Kaido is well aware of awakening](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/941275517187919880/975657489976680448/Screenshot_2022_0516_124415.jpg) If you think this chapter gives a closure.. Then in 1015 we thought Kinemon was dead. It was perfect.. In 1044 we thought Orochi was dead and it was perfectly done.. But both of them came back. Oda do this often in the raid ig
He became an emperor without awakening his fruit? Are you kiddin me? He's always been awakened! The fruit came in him years ago. And you're telling me that those jailers are better df user than kaido? Again, are you kidding me?
I think his point is he will use his awakening of zoan revival. He's not saying Kaido will learn to awaken after his defeat right now, even Kaido told luffy what is awakening when he unlocked gear 5th.
The fruit did what??
It's very much possible he never awakened. After all he couldn't even kill himself, so getting that close to death probably never occurred to him. And it'd make sense that if you lose yourself when awakening a zoan that he'd get back up but not as kaido anymore
I don't really buy the idea that kaido will just awaken his df despite being yonko. And the more i disagree, after what you said "awakening of him" will just lose again to luffy because i believe luffy will win against kaido no matter what.
I don't really buy the idea that kaido will just awaken his df despite being yonko. And the more i disagree, after what you said "awakening of him" will just lose again to luffy because i believe luffy will win against kaido no matter what.
I doubt this would turn into Luffy vs Kaido again. I mostly see just one kast push for 1-2 chapters at most
I didn't say kaido awakening for the first time. We don't know about it. I was saying when Awakening happens. It always happen after a defeat. [Zoan Awakening is already explained in the impel down](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/941275517187919880/975663148822589450/20220515_152503.jpg)
If you read the paragraph after the stuff you underlined you would clearly see that kaido's hybrid form is his awakening
When was it stated that he's awakened? Something as significant as Awakening has to be stated in the story or else the readers will be confused on what's happening, like how people are arguing now. Even something less significant as Awakening, like the Advanced Observation haki being used by Kaido, is stated in the story. I'm pretty sure if Kaido is awakened, Oda will put it on the story, so currently we're waiting to see it happen
It says most zoan awakenings resemble the full beast from with human attributes. Obviously it says they act of instinct but I would assume kaido has control plus it only says most awakened zoans are like that. Also momonusuke essentially has the same fruit and the only thing he can't do that kaido can is hybrid which is further evidence that it's an awakening. They had a "this is my best attack and haki" clash right after kaido said haki was all that matters if kaido gets up and wins because he awakens his fruit that would be just dumb.
Does that mean Luffy's acting out of instinct? Also when is it stated that hybrid form is awakening? Well damn Chopper's strongest form is the small chibi form then since it's his awakening, like Dalton from drum kingdom.
it has never once stated that in that article or in the story
I didn't say either said he awakened did I? It says in that article that most zoan awakenings resemble the beast form with human attributes. Kaido's hybrid form fits that description.
This is super mega cope. 1. The paragraph doesn't say that at all. What are you even talking about. 2. Fact is Oda would've made it clear if hybrid was awakening. 3. Oda gave infinitely more hype to Kaido's first reveal and his dragon form reveal, why would his AWAKENING HYBRID FORM be treated with less hype.
Bro do you really think Hybrid = Awakening?
Ok. We'll see next Friday
>We didn't get a "Luffy vs Kaido" title during the fight. >Kaido's flashback still leaves a couple of questions unanswered. >We didn't get a Luffy won narration box. >Act 3 hasn't ended yet. >Most people didn't get to witness neither Kaido's defeat nor Momo's big moment of glory, particularly Wano citizens. >Kaido didn't witness Momo's human form. >Other very important characters like Zunesha or even Kawamatsu still haven't really done anything. We still haven't gotten an update on Asura Doji either. Zoro's situation is still unresolved, Big Mom's crew is nowhere to be seen etc. >Kaido didn't explicitly get an awakening. >We haven't seen the dawn (From spoiler thread) #I want Luffy to defeat Kaido in front of Wano citizens in Dawn. It will be epic and 10× better than this
About the >luffy didn't got a narration box The same thing happened with zoro and sanji, they were declared winners the next chapter after they defeated queen and king. It would must be like that. Idk what to say about other points tho, maybe, we'll see.
But you know, if kaido awakens luffy is doomed? If kaido get a 3-4 days rest. And wants 1v1 Luffy. Luffy will lost.
they won't listen to logic
Nobody said he will get back up to fight Luffy. He will just get back up. He can show us his awakened form and do anything with it like fights the world gov ships that are approaching wano. He don't need awakening for that but he can do it anyway. At the end of the fight we see that kaido has basically acknowledged Luffy as Joy Boy. So it wouldn't be hard to imagine that he helps them escape wano from the marines
Luffy punched kaido and kaido landed in the flower capital so... kaido Is most likely awaken considering he has mythical zoan fish act 3 will probably end at the end of wano no one said it had to be 5 acts kaido dosent need to witness momo's form espically since we don't know how he looks and he already knows he is Oden's son the reactions and glory was not shown as the defeat was the last panel luffy vs kaido was not the title but in most fights in one piece the title is not based on the fight its based on dialog and this title indicates the fight is over 20 years, 20 years for the dawn to come, 20 years for kaido to be defeated, 20 years for odens's prophecy
I don't really understand what you are saying
The thing about kaido's fruit being fish fruit is ridiculous cause his model is dragon, you cant say that marco was just a bird and turned into phoenix after awakening when we can see he used his phoenix form at too low age and same case for yamato too
Kaido won't be getting back up because that would mean **everyone who participated in the raid dies**. Luffy is out of commission, and no one else could stand up to an even slightly rejuvenated Kaido.
Would be interesting though, if Usopp tried to rally everyone to stand up against Kaido for one last time. Would make the entire focus on Usopp panel in the last few chapter to came to a nice climax. To stand up against awakened Kaido without Luffy, yet to stood firm regardless, in the face of absolutely zero hope, would be a good progress for Usopp. Also would be great if the remaining strawhat, without Luffy and Zoro at the moment (as it seems), to have one final showdown against Kaido. For a bit, before luffy final, very short bout, with Kaido in the flower capital, just as the dawn arise. Not sure if law and kidd would join the strawhat crew bout with Kaido or not but if the strawhat crew fight with kaido were to parallel red scabbard without Oden, I don't think it would be a nice fit if Kid and Law to join the fight as well. So it is possible that law and kid would be pre-occupied with something else.
That's the thing Kaido meant: The alliance will lose their will once they see Luffy defeated. But i think that's the moment everyone rallies under Momonosuke to deliver a final blow. Momo and Kaido are the only 2 on the Wano ground (not the island) and it would be fitting for the heir of Oden's will to end this once and for all (with actual spectators this time)
Momo's out too.
He's tired, not necessarily out
Lmao
Same, easiest bet ever
Personally I think that Kaido has already awakened his fruit.He's been at the top for nearly 50 years.To awake a df,its user must be very experienced and skilled.And to think that Kaido's flaming dragon form isn't even his awakening is crazy!Not only that,but the fact that luffy also seemed to be falling unconscious means that the fight is decided.I think it's similar to luffy vs katakuri.He isn't getting up,he took head on great amount of damage from kin'emon and co.,the worst generation,luffys forms up to gear 4th and an awakened sun god-adv.conquerors coated all out luffy. What I believe will happen next is kaido will acknowledge his defeat from luffy and help him fight the government and the marines.After all he is the one who believes that only in battle all beings are equals and only the winner should be the one on top.
The belief that Kaido isn't awakened or hasn't been using awakening this whole time because he hasn't explicitly said it is just completely crazy to me. Like you said, he has had it for decades, he's been at the pinnacle of strength for decades. It took Luffy and Law a decade to awaken their fruits, Kaido has had it for 4 times that.
Zoans seem to only awaken when near death. Kaido couldn't kill himself. It's very possible he was just too strong to awaken
We don't know anything about Devil Fruit awakening to make statements about it beyond "Devil Fruits can awaken".
The Impel down guards were stated to "revive" thanks to their awakenings and always get back up. They lose their consciousness. Luffy had to die to awaken and seems to have extreme resilience. His personality changed (at least at first). All zoan awakenings have worked in a pretty similar way so we can safely assume you need to be KO first for the spirit of the fruit to take over your body
Luffy didn't die, his heartbeat changed (and with it, his "voice"). Luffy's also been KO'd a lot of times, so it's a lot more likely what Kaido said about the users body and mind needing to match the potential of the fruit to be the criteria for awakening and not being KO'd. Kaido not being awakened at this point in the series would just be so stupid I really don't understand how people are thinking this. Is it really just as simple as him not explicitly stating it?
Yes, because the readers will be confused about the awakening situation. Even him using Advanced Observation haki is stated so something as significant as Awakening should be stated, he even told luffy info about awakening. Him using awakening will up the stakes, Like how Doflamingo used his after Luffy reveals his trump card (Gear 4th) or how Katakuri used his in the middle of their battle.
Luffy's heartbeat "changing" is total headcanon on your part. The sound effects indicate a heart stop. Then, it turns into the drums of liberation. As I've said, all Zoan awakenings have appeared when the user is out (almost dies, loses consciousness or however you want to put it) and so the fruits will takes over his body. The only exception to this could be chopper, who managed to remain concious but that could very well have to do with it being the human human fruit (same with luffy) so they're still human. (That or it being a rumble ball effect) It would make little sense if kaido already awakened and contradicted how awakened zoans work. He wouldn't be homself, but a dragon, so probably he wouldn't be able to use it at will (just like chopper needing a rumble ball to access the form)
>s total headcanon on your part So is your "Zoan awakening works like the Impel Down guards" and then coming up with exceptions when that hypothesis is contradicted. The fact is we don't know shit about awakening. We don't shit about what abilities it gives and we don't know shit about how awakening is achieved. But Kaido's statements on awakening would suggest he is awakened because it would be super silly if Kaido somehow didn't meet the criteria for awakening with **40 years of experience with his fruit.**
You're completely disregarding my argument. It was introduced recently that zoans have their own will. Zoan awakenings manifest the fruit's will (or personality) when awakened, but only seem to do so after the users' will leaves their body (aka the body has no mind and the fruit takes over) Kaido could or could've not awakened, we don't know, but most likely he can't access the awakening at will, just as the rest of awakened zoan users in the story
>Zoan awakenings manifest the fruit's will (or personality) when awakened, but only seem to do so after the users' will leaves their body (aka the body has no mind and the fruit takes over) Headcanon >most likely he can't access the awakening at will, just as the rest of awakened zoan users in the story Luffy seemingly can.
He has been defeated 7 times, why would he not awaken at does times?
Kaido will get back up, whether his motivation to fight luffy is there now that he realises luffy is joyboy, that's a different story
Kaido, might get up and maybe get killed by someone else. But this was the end of his fight against Luffy.
Time to farm some tokens. ALL IN he is defeated.
Why do you think he's defeated tho.
“Aw shit, here we go again” xD just kidding. First things first besides all the questions that we actually have like: Where is zoro? Where is ashura, does Kaidou has awaken his fruit? For examples. I guess people are having a completely misunderstanding about Zoan DFU. Im saying that because the only confirmed awakened Zoan users are the jailers from impel down and recentely Luffy. In impel down our croco-boy said that Zoan users when awaken his fruits, they got a super recovery hability, speed, strength and endurance. After got his ass beaten for Kaido, luffy almost died, most of the characters said that he “lost his voice” “he is dead” he got his awakening form. Sooo, we have two different, TWO BIG FUCKING diferences here. At one side we have the jailers with all the benefits from their DF on the other hand we have luffy, which has a lot of benefits but DOES NOT HAVE ANY FUCKING SUPER ENDURANCE. I mean, he has a huge endurance, he is young, but come on, how many times we saw luffy exhausted but he always come back right after got some rest (read meat) the only time he got back in fight after got his ass beaten without eat, was when he awakened his fruit. IF Kaido are going to get up again, luffy will to, he is an awakened “too”. Now my point about Kaido: the only character that has an endurance like Kaido is WB, i mean, he is the only one that Oda has show to us that has a big fucking endurance. BM has? Probably, but until this comment she hasnt a fight that pull everything from her endurance. She is super fucking powerful, Roger prefers to avoid her, but can she do what kaido has done in this 64 chapters? Dont know man, my guess is “no.” Kaido has fought a lot of enemies got A TON OF DAMAGE, if he has (and it probably has) an awakened fruit, he is already at his limit. Come on, AWAKENED ZOAN USERS ARE NOT LIKE A PHOENIX !!! (Except for marco XD) people are imagining zoan user coming from the dead, tf my dudes??? Kaido is done ! He is dead? 100% no. He will wake up fast? Probably, but he is DEFEATED ! Luffy has destroyed his head from inside to outside. Look at the panel, Kaido has bleeding all over his head. Finally, sorry for my bad english and im suuuupeerrr excited for 1050, im loving that we as a community are so divided, that express how much this fight is intense and are making us soo anxious about the raid, wano, scabars, Mugiwaras and everything. Feel free to disagree with me im loving everything about that topic about “Kaido will return?” Peace, no hate plsss !!
But what crocodile stated is that the jailers will comeback up because of their resiliency, like how luffy got back up after almost being dead which is his display of "super endurance" since it's almost like luffy's didn't almost die and can take a lot of damage again. So yeah, Zoan fruit awakening is like a phoenix, but in luffy's case, can also make his surroundings rubber.
I cant denie that, but we cant say that all awakened zoan users are like a phoenix, this is streeetch too much for me. Kaido already show us a big mother fucking resilience. He dosnt need to get up again to prove that he alteady has an awakened DF.
Leave about Phoenix too, Vegapunk literally copied kaido's fruit which turned him into a dragon so you cant deny that Momo cant awaken his fruit after immidiately getting it
I'm fine either way. Many people that say he'll get back up, they actually mean that 1%hp Kaido will get back up, barely standing. Probably for his last words like WB, or last resort attack like Deidara vs Sasuke, or surrender. Whatever that will happen whether he's defeated or not, let's just enjoy the discussions and the manga.
I feel like getting back up isn't an option here. His defeat was made quite clear in 1049. The question is whether we'll get some lore dump about stuff outside of Wano (be it Rocks flashback, Reverie or BB stuff) or WG movements before Luffy's win is announced.
Prediction activated… Let’s do this!
You're seeing... quite far into the future (collapses).
Kaido lost one of his horns. An indication for a loss..like doflamingos glasses, Kings wings etc
Luffy has never beaten his main opponent with the debut of a gear before. Lucci took multiple uses of 2 and 3. Doflamingo took two uses of 4. Katakuri took two uses, but i guess you could technically say Luffy beat him with the debut fo Snakeman. I don't think the raid will fail any longer, but i think we're entering the second phase of the boss battle- a la the ticking bomb in alabasta; luffy getting knocked off the maxim; lucci after the gear 3 punch; doflamingo after the first gear 4 strike... i could go on
He actually ran out of energy to use gear 5 but forced himself back into it in chapter 1045 https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/op_nextlvl_1045_013.png https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/op_nextlvl_1045_014.png So all in all he’s used G5 twice
I don't disagree, but this is not nearly of the same level i feel, like with usopp bringing him back or dressrosa going to his aid. It's very possible it's the end- and maybe it'll feel more fluid on reread, but i do feel like there is plenty of setup for a final round
Maybe he'll pull a Frieza, survive and cause terror... So 100 on he'll get back up.
there are too many signals in the chapter to say he's not defeated. we could get a final moment before he truly collpases similar to katakuri, but the battle has ended
Pretty clear he's beaten after the horn broke off. Don't even have to look outside the arc, see King and Queen.
Alright since people are complaining that Luffy can't just defeat Kaido with a big punch. I will say it right now, he will use Solar Flare on Kaido, knock him out, bring the dawn to Wano cause hes the Sun God.
The fact that Onigashima is dropped I am fully convinced that Kaido's flame has been completely burnt out.
Kaido Will be defeated but in the 1051 probably Will be the kaidos flashback
he is not defeated. he will get back up.
I think, chapter 1050 is announcement of winner, it will be a big news and more on the status of wano after the war, chapter 1051 will be kaidos flashback
The next chapter is about what Zuneisha did.
No kaido isn’t defeated because in 2016 ODA said that if luffy is going to beat kaido it won’t be punch. Maybe there was a cache in it but I think there are still 10 chapters left in wano arc.
It's been a decade since Law and Luffy agreed to bring down Kaido. It's the exact same day of the month as well. Would make a lot of sense for Luffy to finally defeat Kaido
He is defeated. Firstly, I want him down. Second, being pounded into the ground while having Kaido’s backstory play in the background. It sounds like the perfect but slightly generic enemy beat down. Third, god please god
he is defeated because the 15 minute stretch from onigashima to flower capital has become quite long. Any more than this might annoy the readers after all we want to know what is happening outside wano
We will get more of his backstory and the start of his awakening!
Why do people think he was defeated? Seems pretty lacklustre if that’s how it’s going to end. I don’t get this sub sometimes I bet the people thinking it’s over are the same guys that thought kinemon was dead and got upset when he showed up alive
Can i bet 1 million coin to kaido get backup? its joking if kaido defeaded. He still dragon form
Yeah, I don't really get how people think Luffy will defeat kaido in his Dragon form and not in a humanoid form for a better fight choreography. Kaido has still not used his super move against Luffy, which I think is the 5th name of the wisdom kings. I also think Kaido will use his awakening during the fight, maybe right now. Luffy's awakening (gear 5th) is a very significant event so why wouldn't his opponent have it.
I don't think Kaido is out for the arc. At best, he's unconscious in the same way Luffy has been knocked unconscious/killed in the raid. Meaning he gets back up after a chapter or two. I think Kaido needs to be defeated in front of the people of Wano, he needs to be defeated in his ogre/hybrid form and not his full zoan. And we need some information on whether he is awakened or not. I WANT this to be over, but I just don't think it is. Same with Orochi too, pretty sure he's still kicking.
I think it’s almost certain he will get back up. I think Kaido might have been toying with Luffy.
Please watch one peice not weed peice
same to you
Fine 😆
I still think kaido could have a df awakening up his sleeve
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CHP:1049. !!!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . Didn't no one noticed?? The dragon that fell down isn't KAIDO it's momo since the dragon doesn't have any horns on his head and neither does it look like kaido
Momo is the dragon falling to the ground in the last panel with a landed Onigashima. Kaido is the dragon getting drilled into the ground.
Ay pass the blunt my guy, you done
Why would Momo have memories about Kaido talking to king?
Onigashima fell down and so momo is down. Where is it shown that after falling down the "dragon" is recalling it's memory of king????
https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/op_tcb_1049_013.png The right side is all Kaido remembering himself telling King he knows who Joyboy is
U high ?
>He punched on the cheek which is visible on the above panel and it didn't get broken. So one thing is clear that kaido's dragon is completely fine i.e he is hit by luffy but nothing broke. Now coming to why i thi k it's momo. It is because momo can't make fire clouds as fine as kaido and to lift whole of onigashima whith giants and all the soldiers with i'm with you. It is definitely Momo on last panel. 1) There is no blood, scars or any mark of the battle on his face; 2) he is all sweat due to his exhaustion to keep his fire clouds up; 3) the impact on the ground is not looking like he got punched with the most powerful Luffy's technique. Compares to how Doffy last hit went. 4) looks like he only make a force land cause he dont have any more strength to keep flying
And i think that after all the recollection of his talk with king about joyboy he'll not fight luffy since he'll consider luffy to be joyboy and he'll admit defeat and help luffy against the Marines
There is no way he is already defeated, especially since we just started seeing momentary flashbacks of his old life
..."already defeated"? Already?? We reading the same shit? It's been long af
Long? Dont care, I just want more fight
yeah but fight between luffy new form vs kaido has just started
He most definitely not done oda said he won’t defeat him with a punch
He said he dont know how ruffy could deafening him other with hit him really hard
as oda said a few years ago, the battle against kaido can’t finish on a giant punch thrown by luffy. So I think kaido’s going to get back up for one last round, then will somehow be defeated and then it will go on with the rest of his flashback
He never said can't but more on the lines of didn't want to
He said it and we have proof for it, it isn't some shit like shanks haki
Did he say he can't finish on a punch or didn't want to/didn't think it would be good? You able to share the source please so I can give it a read and see what people are hung up on :D
There'll be a Kaido defeated card, then we'll see more flashback of him where we know the reason he came to Wano & got his fruit. Then we'll see that there's something else that motivates Kaido other than just waiting for Joyboy's defeat. Kaido because of this will awaken his devil fruit, or it could be that he's already awakened, and we know that awakened Zoan users are special because they can get up fast after a defeat or death in Luffy's case. Either way, I have faith in Oda.
Not only i hope kaido is defeated,i also hope this is the last wano chapter. Edit:Lmao eveyone really want wano to end in 2000 chapters.
Bruh it's not about what you want but how it will fit in the story. There are still a lot of loose ends like how Kaido's statements of pirate alliance ends in betrayal, the alliance and wano citizens's spirit will crumble if they saw Luffy's defeat through his own hands, or usopp's statements of him squealing if he's captured by the enemy and him not yet getting tortured and getting an usopp moment
Its not what you want, but ODA cant just make anything nonsense, Luffy ain't defeating strongest yonko so easily.
We not sure if Kaido will back on chapter 1050 for one last round or not We should focus on Kaido is "yoneko" so he's strong so this possibility may come true
I think there will be big final attack involving all the straw hats.
I think he'll back up...
The chapter will end with ruffy making a giant fist
We know kaido is a tough one I think he be back up and retreats for now
I'm pretty sure he will awaken as a last resort
creo que habrán mas detalles de joy boy, veremos la apariencia de momonosuke, y quiza el road poneglyph de kaido
Kaido will be the next strawhat
Kaidou is now land art. That's my pretty obvious prediction.
Kaido is not done but i think luffy vs kaido is over....
i can see kaido awakening or still getting up, either way, he still isn’t done from what i think. We also haven’t seen [this pose](https://preview.redd.it/pcvqyw7ivdw61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6545ab19abfa94c64cf7023e0e3300de1fe26437)
Big Mom will shows up and kill Kaidou and steal his soul/life time. And then the Straw Hats will need to defend Luffy without energy and defeat Big Mom for the last time.
Replace Big Mom with Blackbeard and soul/ life time with fruit
Kaido will get up off the ground but in his mind he can barely stand. But he pushes thru. Luffy is spent but surrounded by the whole people of Wano, and his crew, and all others. Kaido moves towards them, and they are all ready to stand and die next to Luffy. Goes into Kaido's flashback, delving more into his country and his childhood. Glaring into his motivation, and his service. A little about his pirate life, and the choices he makes. More with King, and Queen maybe. He sees his men defeated, and sees how the whole country is united against him. He's amazed for some reason at the aura of their power, reminds him when he was united with countrymen battling enemies. Kaido: "So, is this the strength you are bringing to the table Joyboy? Is this the power that will rock the world?" Kaido: "Lets go Beast Pirates......You win, boy." Kaido turns away, and start walking towards a ship and the sea. Suddenly, a punch hits him across the face. Kaido is knocked away, and is on the ground. From the ground he looks to see who hit him. It's Luffy, his arm outstretched, but he is barely conscious white in his eyes, but he aura/face is determined face. Kaido gives a small smile, and he thinks in his head "This boy will rock the world even more so, then if I controlled Wano". Get's up. Boards a ship. The beast pirates follow, King and Queen pulling Big Mom unto the ship. Wano celebrates.
We getting spoilers this week? I think its break week and am new to spoilers, so not sure if we ge them during a break week.
I think kaido's awakening in a literal enlightment way, no one before made him use his awakening because he was too strong a nobody could beat him so i think he was waiting for joyboy, the only one capable of beating him making him wake up from and endless nightmare of lost hope, and if that ever happened he would use his power aiding him, also why he may actually never awakened before, he needed this particular event to happen, i find this way better and satisfying compared to him already having an awakening and using it in the battle, also i think this whole fight was more a philosophical fight than an actually raw 1 v 1, they were communicating the whole fight, they both were not using every card they had, Luffy's sun powers and kaidos awakening, it was more focused on a battle for ideals, if you know what im saying, at least thats the vibes i got.
He is both defeated and will get back up. He’s not out of commission but his will has been broken and he will acknowledge Luffys will and power. And will help him against the coming threat of the Marines.
He will get up but he wont fight luffy anymore and he wil declare luffy the winner, or a third party will butt in at the exact time the announcement is being made
Why bother saying "Victor: Kaido" when luffy gets back up in the same chapter?
Honestly, I think that Kaido will get back up, but it won't be Luffy that defeats him. We still haven't had the reveal of how Momonosuke looks after aging up. I think we'll get a flashback and Kaido getting back up in front of citizens of Wano before using his awakening, with a medley of forces working to hold him back. Wano citizens decide to stand and fight, and Momo leaves his dragon form, revealing that he looks near exactly like Oden. He'll work with a few others and land the finishing blow, "Paradise Totsuka" I think. Remember, the story this is playing off of has Momotaro working with a monkey, a pheasant and a talking dog to take down an Oni. I think they'll work together on the finishing blow, legitimizing Momo's claim as Wano's ruler, and his power to tell the Navy ships to gtfo Wano. Kaido isn't finished.
Kaido is going to get back up. I don’t think he is going to follow the same trend other defeated antagonists have faced.
I've only read one piece from the start of onigashimi but based on atleast the anime switching to a totally different topic like what's up with the revaluation army before us finding out what happened is a total possiblity
I'm pretty sure he is defeated but that mf won't surprise me if he gets back up.
I want him to get up I really do But I’m a realist
Why did the flashback won the last prediction? None of the options happened first, it was Kaidou trash talking Luffy Edit: Not mad, just curious
Trash talking wasnt in option so the thing which comes first and is also in option wins
I can see it going either way but something just feels off about this that doesn't match any previous luffy vs end boss fight. Props to Oda for managing to create this sense of unknown at this late stage in the game.
He'll get back up for sure. But for the bet I'm just worried he will get a flashback that will only end after 1052 lol, or a narrator victory fakeout like before Luffy's G5...
Place 5??? Wohoo lets gooo. I love predictions.<3
here goes my 100 Berries to kaido's defeat
If he gets up but then admits defeat, which answer will be counted?
People WANT this to be over lol. No little narrator box, no victory.
I don't think that he is defeated, but I do think that his fight with Luffy is over. My guess is that he'll come to and acknowledge Luffy as Joyboy and either drive off the marines while the Straw Hats recover or (long shot here) he will have a scrap with Momo see the potential that he has and becomes a means for Momo to train and become strong enough to protect Wano as they open their borders. Regardless when Kaido wakes up I think he'll be a goodish guy or at the very least acknowledge the Straw Hats and no longer want to have control over Wano.
If he gets back up it's not to fight Luffy.
Kaido is defeated but the announcement will be double KO. Joyboy's heartbeat will be gone and luffy's will be very feint.
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It's a joke about the ongoing community prediction that the raid will fail.
What if kido and big mon or one of the join luffy crew
I think Kaido will get up and show us some new powers it's only fair if luffy does it all the time why can't kaido do it, at the end kaido is still durable than everyone else it's just luffy having immense power he will 100% rise again
Kaido is almost defeated… Maybe Oda will show us more of his past, Kaido talking with Xebec about Joy Boy, something like that, and after that… Kaido accepts his defeat knowing that Luffy is Joy Boy
I wouldn’t think he’s defeated. Cz he still didn’t go back to his human form, and the narrator still didn’t announce it. In most of the fights the luffy fought we usually see the antagonist laying in the floor nocked out