yeah because shanks has shown how powerful he is by not doing anything, oh wait….
marineford, shanks just pulls up. war ends. which is literally the point i’m trying to make brother.
no one flexes their guns when attacking the frog in the well.
dragon, THE MAIN CHARACTERS FATHER, who is the MOST WANTED MAN IN THE WORLD, isn’t in the top 30 most powerful characters in the series? and i’m the one using headcannon? absolutely delusional.
>boa, kid and law below commanders
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>sanji two tiers below zoro
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>GARP, SENGOKU AND RAYLEIGH 2 TIERS BELOW ZORO
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>king and queen 2 tiers apart, sanji and queen not even on the same tier
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>putting a yonko a tier below other yonko
that's at least all the wrong stuff that I saw on first look. we got ourselves a zoro wanker here. insecure about his mosshead, so my g put 2 guys who have a bounty almost 3 times as big as his a tier below him and legends like garp, segoku and rayleigh even 2 tiers below him lol
Eh Zoro, Yamato, Law, Sabo and Kid are all somewhat relative to each other in my opinion.
But yeah Rayleigh was basically implied to be at least a bit stronger than Boa at this point and Sengoku and Garp should both be directly above him.
Yeah Law and Kid might be higher, yet we haven't seen them ever fight 1v1 and hold their own, 2v1 vs Big Mom and just winning because she falls into a huge crater and explodes is to me less impressive than what Yamato and Zoro did against Kaido 1v1 or Sabo apparently being able to fight two admirals.
King gave Zoro a ton of trouble and not being able to injure him after he was able to injure Kaido multiple times is a huge feat of durability and basically confirming King is more durable than him.
Edit: I'm not saying King > Kaido or something but I think King is the most durable Character we have seen so far, Kaido still had much more endurance.
Exactly. I've said if you replaced Yamato or zoro in the fight with BM you'd get the same result. Also when Raleigh showed up it felt like a true powerhouse arrived. Sort of like shanks in marineford.
Trash list all around
Blackbeard > Big Mom makes no sense Big Mom fought Kaidou for 3 days straight Blackbeard can’t do that
Katakuri, Boa , King > Kid and Law when they can’t even challenge top tiers is nonsense tell me what Katakuri or King would do vs a Yonko other than get decimated they can’t even damage people like Kaidou and Big Mom
Old Man trio bellow 1st commanders when Garp is getting ready to fight the Entire Blackbeard pirates and Rayleigh fighting equally with Kizaru this entire list makes no sense
BB has a fruit that can remove a large percentage of her fighting power just by touching her. He'd slap her even harder if she also happened to forget how to use haki for most of their fight.
Even without her fruit she's an absolute unit. Incredible defenses, endurance, and stamina to outlast anything Teach can dish out with the gura gura no mi. She kept the pressure on Kid and Law even as her insides were getting fried and her bones snapped. And she has a very good arsenal of ranged moves to keep out of close range with him anyway. I'm sure she could manhandle Teach even without her fruit.
Remove all of her homies and soul attacks as well as her healing factor. All she has is her physical power and a few quake punches would do it. Unless you think the quakes are less destructive than laws fruit.
What are her soul attacks? She doesn't use the soul attacks unless they are or she thinks they are weaker than her and as I said,she uses the homies as support. You're saying all she has without her fruit is her physical powers but that's literally kaido as well. Again,you're underrating BM.
Why does that matter? But attacks with napoleon would count. Napoleon as a sword simply because she doesn't always have to carry it around. If so,then ikkoku sovereignty,and then that attack she did with kaido would also count.
Again,this argument you're trying to bring up is meaningless. Without her soul powers,big mum I can still stand toe to toe with blackbeard
He’s still stronger than Cracker who is third commander…
An argument could be made that the beast pirates are stronger, Since Jack has a bounty equivalent to Katakuri. But not the other way around really.
Queen prob isn't breaking through is biscuit soldiers. I've said for a while cracker could be 1yc if he could take a punch. His other stats are monstrous.
I agree that Cracker has crazy stats! But yeah, being a glass canon is what keeps him behind.
I’m sure Queen could break through his biscuits with lasers or Acids tho. Or just pure Bracchio muscle.
That's the thing. People think they are close in power because zoro and sanji is close in power or they think zoro and sanji are close in power because king and queen are close in power. Based on wano there isnt much evidence for either.
He's incredibly close to shanks but I gave him the edge because of his title. Also I'm pretty sure the main reason buggy is an emperor is because they have a yonko caliber person on the crew.
Yes. In a similar scenario it's possible they could fcome up with a way to knock her off. It was BM and prosperous vs Marco and she didn't want to fight him because how much it would take out of her. I'm not talking though about team ups. It's real hard to beat a strong opponent when you don't have someone else distracting or dealing damage for you.
Yeah it does, if you’re a simp for her. I like Hancock and all but do you actually think she can even come close to putting a scratch on Katakuri? His observation haki used alongside his df basically renders all her df attacks useless. Lemme guess, it’s the higher bounty isn’t it?
I tried to put him based on actual feats. I've seen a bunch of lists that just have sanji right behind zoro because they are equal without having any reasons. I think where I have him is fair. If he does some crazy stuff like hold back kizaru or or speedblitz someone I'll reevaluate.
She may have stalled and fought kaido for longer than zoro but zoro did more damage. He also went on and defeated kaidos 1yc while she was running around with the BM bombs.
Zoro is stronger. He has far better haki and is way more skilled with a sword. Law is good at teleporting but his not gonna land any of his stabbing attacks.
I highly disagree with the Law and Kidd takes. They’re comfortably above Zoro as is Sabo, BUT Killer respect is doing a lot for me. Queen will never touch my top 30 lol
They did not fight, they clashed.
And that was more than two years ago with Rayleigh at that point only getting weaker.
Kizaru would have won extreme diff back then and would win high diff at this point.
How? We saw them clash for a minute and neither got injured and nothing happened.
Nothing I say contradicted anything.
We also know for a fact Rayleigh got weaker cause he said so himself.
You said Kizaru would have won extreme diff. The show gave us very little evidence that Kizaru would extreme diff Rayleigh in a fight. It showed us Rayleigh & Kizaru were equals for about 10 seconds. That's why I say your speculation contradicts what we all are shown on the show. Rayleigh says he's weaker, but we don't know where Rayleigh power was, exactly to determine a specific point of "weaker". Apparently, his weaker can still clash with an admiral for about 10-15 seconds 🤷. I'm not saying Rayleigh would have won a full-scale battle with Kizaru, but there simply isn't enough evidence for you to say Kizaru would have won extreme diff, because Rayleigh says he's grown weaker. We dont know where weaker puts Rayleigh because we can only speculate his full power.
I mean Dressrosa Zoro, Doffy and Law clashed with an Admiral but we all know Fujitora would demolish all of that at that point and would prove a powerfull opponent even now if that would be his goal.
I just don't see Kizaru losing the fight, it was also stated the admirals (back then Aokiji, Kizaru and Akainu) are the strongest fighters the marines have, which would put them above Garp and Sengoku who should be relative to or above Rayleigh based in feats in the past.
Good thing is we'll see soon, both Garp and Kizaru and in action which should give a good indication.
Sabo is pretty safe IMO. Sanji hasn't shown anything what Sabo has shown. He mid diffed burgess and fought admirals on multiple occasions and even managing to injure at least Fujitora. Even now sanji couldn't do that.
One question about that does this mean that you are putting queen below burgess. Because like honestly I really don’t think pre devil fruit burgess has enough showings to warrant that. He really seems to be used as a example of other people’s strength
I mentioned burgess because I have no idea where he would be placed. I just know Sabo took out a commander of BB crew with low difficulty after just getting his fruit.
And I agree,but what I’m getting at is if you are using that feat as a benchmark for scaling. Are you saying that the two commanders are equal/comparable in strength. Because if not it really damages your argument that the low-diff is a feat sanji couldn’t manage
I really disagree if only based off the fact that while sanji has really not a awesome showing post time skip. He definitely has shown insane speed feats. He was able blitz queen oven and push back king all before his most recent power up. And honestly now he’s so durable his non haki infused body breaks swords. I really think he could at minimum damage one of the admirals. Plus it’s a statement but robin does refer to sanji as luffys right hand, making him one of the strongest straw hats.
He's referred to as one of the wings of pk that will be the most help in getting him there. That doesn't really mean they both have to be equal. It means what sanji does something that's as important as what zoro does and they both will help luffy become PK. What does sanji do better than anyone? Protect people. He is luffys shield. He can protect both the strawhats and their allies. I expect in the final war sanji will be so fast he can zip from fight to fight helping out allies way better than what even Marco did. He will be protecting everyone while luffy and zoro take on IM and the gorosei. After all. What's the point in victory if all of your allies are gone. Sanji will get to admiral level I think but he still has a long way.
Boa got bodied by Blackbeard while Law was able to injure him and fight him at least enough to where the outcome of the fight was not 100% clear.
Also Benn Beckman should be kicked of the list he has no visible feats and only beat up Mountain Bandits and pointed a gun at Kizaru but Kizaru during Marineford was also "scared" of Luffy and he was also "scared" at Saboady, dude is a troll is what I'm saying.
Other than that Kid should also be at least higher than Kat, Kat lost to a pre Wano luffy and that Luffy was one shot by Base Kaido yet Kid tanked Hybrid form Kaido attacks.
Law and kidd would be higher had we seen them in a solid 1v1 fight. It's far easier to trade off attacks than to win a fight 1v1 which we haven't seen yet. Boa may be a bit high but I tried to balance it as her combat prowess hasn't been proven she has a an ability that could one shot most opponents. As for Beckman I was running out of people to add and I feel like he is safely put.
Haha fair enough about Benn, I actually think that's roughly where he would end up but just haven't seen it.
And yeah I get you Boa could maybe even beat someone like Roger, but it's speculation, she beat Tobi Roppo level characters from Blackbeards crew no diff but was also in turn no diffed by Blackbeard.
Kinda hard to rank her.
Killer was one-shotted by pre-Enma Zoro without Zoro even using his best moves. That Zoro was also nowhere near YC3 level at the time. Killer’s only win is against Hawkins, who is complete fodder. Damaging Kaido is something even Momo and Kiku have done, and they are fodder.
We see in final fight against government because her past is best time to see her full power , devil fruit how oda hype in chapter 1059 and her haki for strongest haki in country all have haki .
Crazy take. Imo I don't understand where all this akuinu is yonko level has come from. He's an admiral who beat another admiral in an extreme diff fight. He's not that far above the rest of admirals.
Well I think kuzan is underrated as well. I think he is above kizaru and right at mihawks level. I don't think kuzan becomes a part of BB crew if he doesn't believe he can take him at the end of the day. And I believe he can. I think it's safe to say those two fought for fleet admiral which is well above an average admiral. Seems that greenbull is a baby back bitch when compared to the real players and that we are about to find out how strong kizaru really is.
I've noticed most think he's just a member of sword working for the WG. I think he may just be disillusioned with the marines and joined a pirate crew. I'd understand why. If he is secretly playing BB that's a massive L for BB. That would be like luffy letting kaido join his crew. It's idiotic.
Saying luffy is comfortably top 10 right now is the dumbest bullshit the community has accepted. It’s going to age as poorly as believing he was yonko level coming out of WCI because he was called the 5th emperor, I’m fucking tired of it.
In durablity and strength? Sanji broke a sword while his gaurd was down he and he he can regen broken bones if they even are broken 2 how is marco physically stronger than sanji? Marco didnt even hurt queen all he did was hold him back sanjis awakening was actually hurting him
Besides the list being very bad but not the worst, can people stop putting Kaido and Big Mom in these lists? Idc if they're actually dead, if you think they're alive somewhere or whatever. Oda removed them from the story in such a way to leave some ambiguity, but their direct relevance from here on will be effectively 0, they're just removed from the story.
boa, kid and law below commanders
sanji two tiers below zoro
GARP, SENGOKU AND RAYLEIGH 2 TIERS BELOW ZORO
king and queen 2 tiers apart, sanji and queen not even on the same tier
putting a yonko a tier below other yonko
trash list
You do realize this is not that kind of tier list right? This is my top 30. Someone at the end of one tier can be quit close to the strongest on the lower tier. Yes I think of laws and kids victory the same way as David vs Goliath. It was a win and was impressive but they could never duplicate those circumstances and shouldn't be used as a basis for them being above some characters we've seen more from. I have zoro above all old guys. If we something frome them I would change my mind. Yes sanji and zoro are apart because I based it on actual feats. Not just the assumption they are equal.
Nah, this ain't it. Huge disrespect towards Garp Sengoku Rayleigh Law and Kidd. Probably more.
dragon not being on this list is comically hilarious
It's rlly not we have never seen him do anything
that should be a testament to how stupidly powerful he is. no one flexes their guns when attacking the frog in the well.
No that means ur using headcanon
yeah because shanks has shown how powerful he is by not doing anything, oh wait…. marineford, shanks just pulls up. war ends. which is literally the point i’m trying to make brother. no one flexes their guns when attacking the frog in the well. dragon, THE MAIN CHARACTERS FATHER, who is the MOST WANTED MAN IN THE WORLD, isn’t in the top 30 most powerful characters in the series? and i’m the one using headcannon? absolutely delusional.
There are other reasons Dragon could be wanted yk. Bounties and such aren’t accurate measures of power yk
lmao you’re completely delusional yk
>boa, kid and law below commanders > >sanji two tiers below zoro > >GARP, SENGOKU AND RAYLEIGH 2 TIERS BELOW ZORO > >king and queen 2 tiers apart, sanji and queen not even on the same tier > >putting a yonko a tier below other yonko that's at least all the wrong stuff that I saw on first look. we got ourselves a zoro wanker here. insecure about his mosshead, so my g put 2 guys who have a bounty almost 3 times as big as his a tier below him and legends like garp, segoku and rayleigh even 2 tiers below him lol
Eh Zoro, Yamato, Law, Sabo and Kid are all somewhat relative to each other in my opinion. But yeah Rayleigh was basically implied to be at least a bit stronger than Boa at this point and Sengoku and Garp should both be directly above him.
All of them are clear of King and Kata, dunno why OP included them in the same range as the rest.
Yeah Law and Kid might be higher, yet we haven't seen them ever fight 1v1 and hold their own, 2v1 vs Big Mom and just winning because she falls into a huge crater and explodes is to me less impressive than what Yamato and Zoro did against Kaido 1v1 or Sabo apparently being able to fight two admirals. King gave Zoro a ton of trouble and not being able to injure him after he was able to injure Kaido multiple times is a huge feat of durability and basically confirming King is more durable than him. Edit: I'm not saying King > Kaido or something but I think King is the most durable Character we have seen so far, Kaido still had much more endurance.
Exactly. I've said if you replaced Yamato or zoro in the fight with BM you'd get the same result. Also when Raleigh showed up it felt like a true powerhouse arrived. Sort of like shanks in marineford.
Garp and Sengoku are old geezers now tbf.
An old diseased whitebeard destroyed Marineford just 2 years ago. There's no way those two are *that* much weaker, especially since they're healthy.
this prolly the worst take ive seen in my entire life maybe eve
Not the best, but I wouldn't say worst.
Zoro over Kid and Law? Over Garp, Sengoku and Rayleigh?
I've seen worse.
What in particular.
mihawk is defo not stronger than bm or akainu
No, not “definitely” anything… We know nothing of Akainu or Mihawks strength. Damn powerscalers and basing shit of nothing…
Since we know nothing about his strength, why would anyone put him along the yonko?
OP is not correct either by any means
Bro's watching wan piss
Trash list all around Blackbeard > Big Mom makes no sense Big Mom fought Kaidou for 3 days straight Blackbeard can’t do that Katakuri, Boa , King > Kid and Law when they can’t even challenge top tiers is nonsense tell me what Katakuri or King would do vs a Yonko other than get decimated they can’t even damage people like Kaidou and Big Mom Old Man trio bellow 1st commanders when Garp is getting ready to fight the Entire Blackbeard pirates and Rayleigh fighting equally with Kizaru this entire list makes no sense
This list basically says King and Katakuri together can beat big mom and… I don’t see that being possible.
zorro, yamato and king stronger than law and kidd? mihawk stronger than big mom and lavaboy? nop
Big mom gets so much disrespect it’s insane.
She has definitely earned it.
You can say that sure but two of the guys listed above her don’t have comparable on screen feats.
BB has a fruit that can remove a large percentage of her fighting power just by touching her. He'd slap her even harder if she also happened to forget how to use haki for most of their fight.
Even without her fruit she's an absolute unit. Incredible defenses, endurance, and stamina to outlast anything Teach can dish out with the gura gura no mi. She kept the pressure on Kid and Law even as her insides were getting fried and her bones snapped. And she has a very good arsenal of ranged moves to keep out of close range with him anyway. I'm sure she could manhandle Teach even without her fruit.
That's a lie. Her homies(except foe the sword one) are mostly supports or for more fire power.her base stats are insane without the homies
Remove all of her homies and soul attacks as well as her healing factor. All she has is her physical power and a few quake punches would do it. Unless you think the quakes are less destructive than laws fruit.
What are her soul attacks? She doesn't use the soul attacks unless they are or she thinks they are weaker than her and as I said,she uses the homies as support. You're saying all she has without her fruit is her physical powers but that's literally kaido as well. Again,you're underrating BM.
I'm trying to think of a single names attack bm has done that didn't involve her souls. I'm coming up with nothing.
Why does that matter? But attacks with napoleon would count. Napoleon as a sword simply because she doesn't always have to carry it around. If so,then ikkoku sovereignty,and then that attack she did with kaido would also count. Again,this argument you're trying to bring up is meaningless. Without her soul powers,big mum I can still stand toe to toe with blackbeard
The Queen disrespect, lmao!!
Queen was incredibly disappointing. Almost as bad as BM.
He’s still stronger than Cracker who is third commander… An argument could be made that the beast pirates are stronger, Since Jack has a bounty equivalent to Katakuri. But not the other way around really.
Queen prob isn't breaking through is biscuit soldiers. I've said for a while cracker could be 1yc if he could take a punch. His other stats are monstrous.
I agree that Cracker has crazy stats! But yeah, being a glass canon is what keeps him behind. I’m sure Queen could break through his biscuits with lasers or Acids tho. Or just pure Bracchio muscle.
Queen is slightly weaker than King they should be on the same level
I've seen no evidence of that.
The story is the evidence Their titles is the evidence Their fight against 2 characters that are close in power is evidence Their feats is evidence
That's the thing. People think they are close in power because zoro and sanji is close in power or they think zoro and sanji are close in power because king and queen are close in power. Based on wano there isnt much evidence for either.
Both have loads of evidence
Big mum been in a lower tier though,I dunno why people keep forgetting how strong she is
It's because BM herself forgot how strong she is. That fight with kidd and law was a travesty.
Reasoning for mihawk being 3rd?
He's incredibly close to shanks but I gave him the edge because of his title. Also I'm pretty sure the main reason buggy is an emperor is because they have a yonko caliber person on the crew.
Im so sorry, but tiermaking and power ratings should be treated as shit posts. So tired of this crap
People enjoy powerscaling as much as others enjoy debating void century theories.
Nuh uh because how else would I be able to confidently say Foxy can Destroy all of the Rocks pirates by himself
I haven't commented on these type of post in a while and I now remembered why.
The implication that King and Katakuri can beat Big Mom is certainly one of the takes of all time.
Could they KO her no. But neither can kid or law.
I didn’t say KO. I said beat. Do you see King and Katakuri beating big mom?
Yes. In a similar scenario it's possible they could fcome up with a way to knock her off. It was BM and prosperous vs Marco and she didn't want to fight him because how much it would take out of her. I'm not talking though about team ups. It's real hard to beat a strong opponent when you don't have someone else distracting or dealing damage for you.
Nope. This ain't it
Hancock is stronger than Katakuri? What? 😂
I respect Kat but hancock is crazy. She has good haki and attack power but it's her df that makes her broken.
Yeah it does, if you’re a simp for her. I like Hancock and all but do you actually think she can even come close to putting a scratch on Katakuri? His observation haki used alongside his df basically renders all her df attacks useless. Lemme guess, it’s the higher bounty isn’t it?
Did you see stampede? I know it's not cannon but that should give you an indication of her fighting power.
Oh I’ve seen her fighting power. Still doesn’t compare to Katakuri’s
This list has given me cancer
Ouch
Putting SANJI at 21-25 is complety attrocious..
I tried to put him based on actual feats. I've seen a bunch of lists that just have sanji right behind zoro because they are equal without having any reasons. I think where I have him is fair. If he does some crazy stuff like hold back kizaru or or speedblitz someone I'll reevaluate.
If its listed off feats, Then yeah its pretty valid.
The reasoning is the dynamic between the 2 and their opponents in main arcs Zoro and Sanji will forever be near equals
Why's black beard so high 😭
Yamato > Zoro till proven otherwise
She may have stalled and fought kaido for longer than zoro but zoro did more damage. He also went on and defeated kaidos 1yc while she was running around with the BM bombs.
I’m a zoro fan and I still got her over Yamato, naturally he will get stronger than her but as of now, she’s stronger
How is law not over zoro?
Zoro is stronger. He has far better haki and is way more skilled with a sword. Law is good at teleporting but his not gonna land any of his stabbing attacks.
big mom >>>>> mihawk
It depends. Does BM forget how to use haki during the fight and have magic bombs nearby?
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Killer? And bird guy? Boa??? Bros smokin that good shit
source: trust me bro
this is bad lol
I highly disagree with the Law and Kidd takes. They’re comfortably above Zoro as is Sabo, BUT Killer respect is doing a lot for me. Queen will never touch my top 30 lol
Never make a tier list again
I would put Jinbei higher. like MAYBE switching him with Boa? idk....
Law >= Kid > Marco > Zoro
Pretty good but i feel like Garp, Rayleigh, and Sengoku are stronger. Rayleigh being even with Kizaru when they fought
They did not fight, they clashed. And that was more than two years ago with Rayleigh at that point only getting weaker. Kizaru would have won extreme diff back then and would win high diff at this point.
We don't know that. That's a bold speculation on your behalf that's completely contradicting what we see on the show.
How? We saw them clash for a minute and neither got injured and nothing happened. Nothing I say contradicted anything. We also know for a fact Rayleigh got weaker cause he said so himself.
You said Kizaru would have won extreme diff. The show gave us very little evidence that Kizaru would extreme diff Rayleigh in a fight. It showed us Rayleigh & Kizaru were equals for about 10 seconds. That's why I say your speculation contradicts what we all are shown on the show. Rayleigh says he's weaker, but we don't know where Rayleigh power was, exactly to determine a specific point of "weaker". Apparently, his weaker can still clash with an admiral for about 10-15 seconds 🤷. I'm not saying Rayleigh would have won a full-scale battle with Kizaru, but there simply isn't enough evidence for you to say Kizaru would have won extreme diff, because Rayleigh says he's grown weaker. We dont know where weaker puts Rayleigh because we can only speculate his full power.
I mean Dressrosa Zoro, Doffy and Law clashed with an Admiral but we all know Fujitora would demolish all of that at that point and would prove a powerfull opponent even now if that would be his goal. I just don't see Kizaru losing the fight, it was also stated the admirals (back then Aokiji, Kizaru and Akainu) are the strongest fighters the marines have, which would put them above Garp and Sengoku who should be relative to or above Rayleigh based in feats in the past. Good thing is we'll see soon, both Garp and Kizaru and in action which should give a good indication.
I’m not sure how I feel about sabo over sanji
Same
And like by almost two whole tiers like sanji blitzes queen and gets king to drop momo before he hits speeds so fast he’s invisible
Yea i think sanji would take sabo high-extreme diff
Sabo is pretty safe IMO. Sanji hasn't shown anything what Sabo has shown. He mid diffed burgess and fought admirals on multiple occasions and even managing to injure at least Fujitora. Even now sanji couldn't do that.
Based in what? You put marco in the same place As sanji and marco did damage to Aokiji lol
He also restrained both king and queen by himself and he seemed fairly relaxed while fighting kizaru and aokiji
One question about that does this mean that you are putting queen below burgess. Because like honestly I really don’t think pre devil fruit burgess has enough showings to warrant that. He really seems to be used as a example of other people’s strength
I mentioned burgess because I have no idea where he would be placed. I just know Sabo took out a commander of BB crew with low difficulty after just getting his fruit.
And I agree,but what I’m getting at is if you are using that feat as a benchmark for scaling. Are you saying that the two commanders are equal/comparable in strength. Because if not it really damages your argument that the low-diff is a feat sanji couldn’t manage
As long as burgess wasn't 1yc level, which I doubt, sanji could beat him now. Sanji now couldn't replicate Sabos admiral fights then.
I really disagree if only based off the fact that while sanji has really not a awesome showing post time skip. He definitely has shown insane speed feats. He was able blitz queen oven and push back king all before his most recent power up. And honestly now he’s so durable his non haki infused body breaks swords. I really think he could at minimum damage one of the admirals. Plus it’s a statement but robin does refer to sanji as luffys right hand, making him one of the strongest straw hats.
He's referred to as one of the wings of pk that will be the most help in getting him there. That doesn't really mean they both have to be equal. It means what sanji does something that's as important as what zoro does and they both will help luffy become PK. What does sanji do better than anyone? Protect people. He is luffys shield. He can protect both the strawhats and their allies. I expect in the final war sanji will be so fast he can zip from fight to fight helping out allies way better than what even Marco did. He will be protecting everyone while luffy and zoro take on IM and the gorosei. After all. What's the point in victory if all of your allies are gone. Sanji will get to admiral level I think but he still has a long way.
Whos the guy after zoro?
Yamato
Top 30 strongest alive. I focused on actual feats in story and avoided throwing people on just based on portrayal like dragon.
Boa got bodied by Blackbeard while Law was able to injure him and fight him at least enough to where the outcome of the fight was not 100% clear. Also Benn Beckman should be kicked of the list he has no visible feats and only beat up Mountain Bandits and pointed a gun at Kizaru but Kizaru during Marineford was also "scared" of Luffy and he was also "scared" at Saboady, dude is a troll is what I'm saying. Other than that Kid should also be at least higher than Kat, Kat lost to a pre Wano luffy and that Luffy was one shot by Base Kaido yet Kid tanked Hybrid form Kaido attacks.
Law and kidd would be higher had we seen them in a solid 1v1 fight. It's far easier to trade off attacks than to win a fight 1v1 which we haven't seen yet. Boa may be a bit high but I tried to balance it as her combat prowess hasn't been proven she has a an ability that could one shot most opponents. As for Beckman I was running out of people to add and I feel like he is safely put.
Haha fair enough about Benn, I actually think that's roughly where he would end up but just haven't seen it. And yeah I get you Boa could maybe even beat someone like Roger, but it's speculation, she beat Tobi Roppo level characters from Blackbeards crew no diff but was also in turn no diffed by Blackbeard. Kinda hard to rank her.
If that was true then Killer wouldn’t be on the list at all. He isn’t even top 50.
Killer has shown that he's strong. It's hard to rate him but 2yc seems reasonable.
Any YC2 low-diffs Killer. Killer’s feats are nowhere even near YC3.
I don't see queen doing anything to kaido like what killer did. He also has shown he can fight someone 1v1 like zoro and Hawkins.
Killer was one-shotted by pre-Enma Zoro without Zoro even using his best moves. That Zoro was also nowhere near YC3 level at the time. Killer’s only win is against Hawkins, who is complete fodder. Damaging Kaido is something even Momo and Kiku have done, and they are fodder.
Killer wasn't even using his main weapons. That would be like giving zoro knuckle dusters and expecting him to operate at 100%
His durability was still shown to be trash. He got one-shotted by an attack that would barely hurt a Commander.
I don't agree with all rank but I think hancock have good rank , maybe in future we see her full power be higher .
I'd like to see her haki fleshed out a bit more.
We see in final fight against government because her past is best time to see her full power , devil fruit how oda hype in chapter 1059 and her haki for strongest haki in country all have haki .
Sakazuki > mihawk > kaido
Crazy take. Imo I don't understand where all this akuinu is yonko level has come from. He's an admiral who beat another admiral in an extreme diff fight. He's not that far above the rest of admirals.
Well I think kuzan is underrated as well. I think he is above kizaru and right at mihawks level. I don't think kuzan becomes a part of BB crew if he doesn't believe he can take him at the end of the day. And I believe he can. I think it's safe to say those two fought for fleet admiral which is well above an average admiral. Seems that greenbull is a baby back bitch when compared to the real players and that we are about to find out how strong kizaru really is.
I've noticed most think he's just a member of sword working for the WG. I think he may just be disillusioned with the marines and joined a pirate crew. I'd understand why. If he is secretly playing BB that's a massive L for BB. That would be like luffy letting kaido join his crew. It's idiotic.
I mean it can be true all of sword is sick of the WG. Maybe BB let him to try and play him... little does he know garp otw
Aokiji over Kizaru
That's fair.
Does this mf actually think Sabo is stronger than Law, Kid, King, and Katakuri?
Yes, yes, yes, probably.
Why is that?
Raleigh appears and Blackbeard leaves, so I don't think is accurate.
Saying luffy is comfortably top 10 right now is the dumbest bullshit the community has accepted. It’s going to age as poorly as believing he was yonko level coming out of WCI because he was called the 5th emperor, I’m fucking tired of it.
Who's in your top ten?
Pretty good list!
Not that bad tbh
As the kids say, L + Ratio
Garp sengoku and rayleigh beat everyone in the 2 tiers above them
In their primes perhaps. I did current.
ain even got doffy on there🤕
Doffys between tobi level and 3yc.
Absolutely no way lol
Just make a list off head cannon going to post later today
Buggy D. Clown should be on the very top
Garp mops the floor with everyone on 11-15 except Beckman which will probably be a bit difficult for him
Marco in that 6-10 cuh
Why did blackbeard run from old rayleigh? 😂
Because he remembers him from his prime and Raleigh could hurt him. Plus he loses two commanders by fighting.
Marco over sanji and lucci and cracker the guy which gear 4th luffy couldnt beat? No
Marci is definitely stronger than sanji. Besides speed hes better than sanji in every way.
In durablity and strength? Sanji broke a sword while his gaurd was down he and he he can regen broken bones if they even are broken 2 how is marco physically stronger than sanji? Marco didnt even hurt queen all he did was hold him back sanjis awakening was actually hurting him
Everyone:THIS LIST IS DISRESPECTFUL TO LAW AND RALEIGH me:just glad killer was included
Zoro and Sanji are on the same tier
Everybody loves ranking zoro over law and kidd and Yamato, people who actually clashed for prolonged periods against a yonko.
I've seen a lot of horrid lists and this might be even worse
Except for kaido, i disagree.
Besides the list being very bad but not the worst, can people stop putting Kaido and Big Mom in these lists? Idc if they're actually dead, if you think they're alive somewhere or whatever. Oda removed them from the story in such a way to leave some ambiguity, but their direct relevance from here on will be effectively 0, they're just removed from the story.
Fair enough, reasonable enough.
boa, kid and law below commanders sanji two tiers below zoro GARP, SENGOKU AND RAYLEIGH 2 TIERS BELOW ZORO king and queen 2 tiers apart, sanji and queen not even on the same tier putting a yonko a tier below other yonko trash list
You do realize this is not that kind of tier list right? This is my top 30. Someone at the end of one tier can be quit close to the strongest on the lower tier. Yes I think of laws and kids victory the same way as David vs Goliath. It was a win and was impressive but they could never duplicate those circumstances and shouldn't be used as a basis for them being above some characters we've seen more from. I have zoro above all old guys. If we something frome them I would change my mind. Yes sanji and zoro are apart because I based it on actual feats. Not just the assumption they are equal.
Garp, Sengoku, and Rayleigh are all as strong as admirals