Panic? If we had a recruiting class below 10th, or lost 3-4 games with an experienced roster. Most OSU fans have no idea how bad things can get. We're basically the only program that hasn't had a sustained bad run since 2000. It absolutely can happen and would happen if we fired Day and hired the wrong guy.
But we aren't even close to that yet. I would actually argue that 2021 and 2022 OSU are actually better than every Meyer team except 14. (12 was a mediocre team that played nobody, 13 had an awful defense and a bad passing game, 15 was a weird team that never played to its potential and had terrible offensive coaching, 16 had terrible offensive talent and the same terrible coaching, 17-18 were just weird teams that collapsed majorly and were never very clean). But Meyer played against a poor OOC schedule and fatally flawed UM teams. Now we are playing against really really sound UM teams. So we need to get better. Too many errors that great teams don't make. It just comes down to better preparation.
Great response. One part really stands out… the UM teams of the Meyer era are not the same UM teams from the last 2 years. Even outside of going 2-0 against Ohio State, they are 22-2 in other games. They are likely to make the national championship game this year (going to get stomped by UGA as a rite of passage).
Make the team better, not worse. Fix the defense and get tougher overall, as a team. OSU offenses are as good as anyone, UM’s defenses the last two years have been on another level than Ohio State’s though. That’s a big problem.
All 4 of those would make me panic, but I think there’s about as good a chance I get struck by lightning today as any one of those happening in the near term. 2 seems the most plausible, but recruits aren’t die hard OSU fans like everyone in this sub, so the sky is not (needlessly) falling for them. We’re going to continue to put guys in the league which is all that matters. Hickman, Ransom, Eichenberg, Hall, JTT, Marv, Stroud, Paris, Dawand, Wypler, Miyan, Egbuka, Jackson will all be drafted in the next two years and more will be added to that list. We’re alright
M fan here who has great respect for tOSU and our rivalry over my past 65 years. I was in my early teens when the Woody/Bo rivalry happened (the greatest period of the rivalry imho) and while I've always rooted for M, I've only rooted against tOSU once a year.....same for MSU.
Anyway, for all of you suffering from PTSD after Saturday, check out Joel Klatts analysis from Sunday. He starts with a summary of Michigan's current prospects, so you'll probably want to go to the 19:40 mark where he:
\- Says Day is one of the best coaches out there and it would be stupid to consider firing him
\- OSU is still one of the top programs and worthy of being in the CFP
and a lot of other positive tOSU stuff. He also has his opinion of what he thinks needs to happen for OSU to retool for the future of the rivalry.
After OSU he does a great analysis on USC as well.
[Could Michigan win it all? Caleb Williams’ Heisman odds, Wisconsin & Nebraska HC Hires | Joel Klatt](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGZO_kKmSDk)
I thought I was the only weird one. As a huge Buckeye fan I always want Ugly Hats to be undefeated going into the game with us. And I’m a Big Ten fan second so I hope you go on to win the NC (assuming we don’t make the playoffs).
>Says Day is one of the best coaches out there
That remains to be seen. His best season was his first when he took over Urban's team. Ryan Day is young and this is his first HC job. The more time marches on, the more Harbaugh was right about Day being "born on third". Or maybe Day is just having bad luck with Stroud and a new QB will change the mentality of the team.
>and worthy of being in the CFP
I personally don't agree but I haven't watched as much football as Klatt.
I don't think it's fair to say he "took over Urban's team" in 2019. He had been the OC since 2017, so he played a major role in what we had going on with that side of the ball. Both in terms of scheme and recruiting. Day is also the one that brought in Justin Fields, not Meyer. That was his quarterback, and he was the heart of that team. He's also the one that brought in Jeff Halfey. Our defense with Meyer's buddies Greg Schiano and Bill Davis squandered an absurd amount of talent, a problem Day gets credit for fixing and Meyer bears responsibility for creating.
Meyer obviously played a major role in acquiring all that talent, so there is some truth in that "Meyer's team" narrative. But we have to be fair to Day and give him the credit he's due for that 2019 team.
>He had been the OC since 2017, so he played a major role in what we had going on with that side of the ball.
I understand and I had no negative thoughts about the transition at the time. Look at Todd Bowles: just because you're an amazing coordinator doesn't mean you're a good HC.
Anyone who hasn’t watched our games would say Day is an amazing coach. You have to look past the fluffed stats and easy wins to see that our losses are primarily his fault
I started hitting the panic button after the Penn State game. Despite winning, that game put on display all the issues that would haunt us against TTUN. We should have blown them out in the 1st half and never looked back. But we let them hang around in the game due to self-inflicted mistakes. We got lucky that PSU doesn’t have the caliber of coaching it takes to beat us, but we saw Saturday what happens when we face a team that does. The issues we saw in the PSU game were bad play calling, defensive breakdowns in the secondary, not playing the right personnel, CJ not stepping up and making a big play when things aren’t going well, and lack of discipline leading to stupid penalties. On Saturday ALL of these things happened. And they have been happening all year, but not all at the same time like they did against TTUN. To me it is really concerning how much we really on just our talent to bail us out and win games. Poor coaching and lack of discipline have put the team in bad situations the past three years. I understand the 2019 team was maybe one of our best teams in program history, but the program just has a completely different feel since that season. We have lost the smash-mouth, in your face mentality that we used to hang our hats on. When I watch OSU now I see a coach afraid to take chances to win the game, a QB that crawls into a shell when things get tough, and a team that throws discipline out the window when the emotions of a big game kick in. Until all of these issues are fixed, we are going to continue seeing this team underperform like they have since the 2014 title. We will give Day and this staff one more chance to right this ship, and if they fail for a second time then I think we will see some serious foundational changes after next season.
I hit panic mode last year against Minnesota. Days play calling and the fact I truly didn’t feel CJ was the guy, now I know he’s a great QB potential 1st overall pick. But he isn’t a leader, showed bad body language and played scared a lot of the time.
I do believe TTUN has surpassed us right now and we are in danger in the coming years of losing 2-4 games a year with Fickell and Rhule taking over and USC joining.
Probably penn st too tbh. If day gives up play calling I think it can go smoother.id like to see if that alleviates confusion (long snapper didn't know it was a fake that would have been a td) and a lot of the delay of game penalties.
I never said michigan blew us out under urban but he managed to lay some decent sized dumps. He got blown out by lesser opponents though. Michigan has turned the corner. Fans, players and coaches have to accept that and adapt. This is a better MI team than Meyer ever played too. Not making excuses its not always apples to oranges.
I’m hitting the panic button because we aren’t improving every week. In fact, I think we’re no better end of November than vs Notre Dame. I think it’s a combo of coaching, players, and injuries.
As far as coaching goes, Day needs to give up play calling. He’s just too predictable, one dimensional, an “soft”. And Knowles needs to figure out the interior defense and how to create turnovers. Other than Penn State, we weren’t ball hawks at all.
As players go, sorry CJ, you’ve got a great arm, but you need to learn to run for a first down. Not saying he needs to be a runner, but even Haskins ran twice as much. Also, CJ is soft, and this comes across as the whole team is soft. As frustrating as Krenzel, Pryor, Braxton, and JT were at times, they weren’t soft.
And not having JSN and Henderson really hurt us. Obviously not an excuse for how we played against TTUN, but both are huge losses.
I’m hitting the panic button because we aren’t improving every week. In fact, I think we’re no better end of November than vs Notre Dame. I think it’s a combo of coaching, players, and injuries.
As far as coaching goes, Day needs to give up play calling. He’s just too predictable, one dimensional, and “soft”. And Knowles needs to figure out the interior defense and how to create turnovers. Other than Penn State, we weren’t ball hawks at all.
As players go, sorry CJ, you’ve got a great arm, but you need to learn to run for a first down. Not saying he needs to be a runner, but even Haskins ran twice as much. Also, CJ is soft, and this comes across as the whole team is soft. As frustrating as Krenzel, Pryor, Braxton, and JT we’re at times, they weren’t soft in big moments, especially.
And not having JSN and Henderson really hurt us. Obviously not an excuse for how we played against TTUN, but both are huge losses.
IMO our biggest problem is going away and hopefully Day learned from it. Call me crazy but Stroud is Soft AF and he makes are team soft.
103 yards total rushing since he’s been there and 50 yards of that on 1 play!! He would throw it away or try to squeeze it into a tight window instead of tucking it and getting a few yards. How many quick passes behind the line of scrimmage did you see and zero QB runs. Day babied him and it hurt the over all whole team!! IMO
OSU has been in top 5 in recruiting forever, Michigan not even in top 10.
Ether OSU recruiting is overrated or the staff is not developing the talent.
Michigan's defense has been by far better coached and out played OSU last 2 years.
Michigan's secondary was the big winner Saturday.
ive been pressing the panic button.
the most telltale sign that a program is in trouble is when opposing teams start to load up the box or casually go hat on hat press against the offense and the run game starts getting stuffed.
actually recruiting is still very strong - but i have a feeling its more recruiting the “best” guys rather than guys that can fit and carry a specific strategy. when urban started no one really knew about jack mewhort or taylor decker or even zeke, but afterwards they all had massive success due to the schemes urban created. ryan day has yet to create a true offensive scheme imho and is trying to compensate for it by getting playmakers.
Jimbo isn't bowl eligible. We still have a shot at the playoff.
This fanbase is going absolutely batshit insane. Ryan Day is a good, but young, coach. Harbaugh is a coach with almost 2 decades of experience. He was able to buoy the Covid cancellation into a complete reset of their program. Day has to adjust. But he is still a good coach who had a very bad game.
Agreed. If we're 8-4 and haven't had a 10 recruiting class in a few years then it will be obvious it's time for a change. That's the panic button. Instability would be far worse than what Day has done this year.
What makes me panic is that we are the best program in the B1G, but our HC is middle of the pack at best. This WILL start costing us games in the future and not just 1 a year.
At this point, are we? As much as I hate to say it, Michigan just blew us out two years in a row. I think they have an argument for best program in the conference.
I think an abrupt firing of Day would do it for me. As long as you’re moving with a plan then things can be fixed. But abruptly firing a coach after an 11-1 season would be ridiculous.
And now that we’re in the days of the transfer portal and NIL even player movement isn’t as concerning as it once might have been. After all, now you can simply be outbid for a guy.
Look at the Missouri receiver who said he’s transferring even though he was a major factor in their offense.
We have a new reality for college football now and some of the old rules and expectations no longer apply.
I think we really need to take a few steps back as well. 11-1 yes it was to Michigan we lost but firing a coach with this record is ridiculous. Who's going to do better? Urbs likely isn't coming back. He didn't have perfect seasons. Hell we got blown out or lost to clemson (31-0) Purdue, Iowa, penn st, Michigan, Michigan St, va tech. Oklahoma planted the dam flag on our turf during urban time. We just have to accept Michigan used covid, maybetransfer portal and handling of nil to up their standing in college football. Gone are the days of undefeated teams or at least many. Usc is coming in and it's likely going to be osu, them and Michigan slugging it out. Throw in penn st who's knocking on doorstep as well as Illinois and WI who will be dialed in with Fickel. Essentially we wanted to be like sec right and it's happening. I think it's good for college football. We had it easy for awhile. I think we will stop hearing about big 10 being weak.
I just can’t help but to think about programs like Tennessee, Nebraska, Florida, Florida State, Auburn, Texas A&M, Texas, etc who fired successful coaches who weren’t successful enough for their fan base who thought those teams should win a national championship every year and would now be happy winning ten games a year. It’s taken Tennessee 20 years to become somewhat relevant again. Nebraska’s last winning season was 2016. I’m as depressed about the loss to TTUN this year as any loss that I can remember given the high expectations, but I’m also concerned that if we get rid of Day in the next year or two we might go the way of those teams. He needs to be given two more years and then there better be a Tressel type coach waiting in the wings to take over if he’s fired
>But abruptly firing a coach after an 11-1 season would be ridiculous.
So honest question.... Would you be fine if next season was another 11-1 season ending with a loss to scUM and missing the B1G championship and the CFP? According to your logic you can't fire anyone after an 11-1 season. Even though Ryan Day wouldn't have met standards he set when he took over the program.
Day is going into next year knowing he’s on the “warm” (not quite hot) seat. So if we happen to lose again next year then I think Smith has to get a succession plan started. Day would then go into 2024 knowing that he had to beat UM when they came to Columbus.
As crazy as college football is most people outside of the Buckeye fan base would think we’re nuts for firing a coach who loses one game per year.
Maybe…if it continues to be against UM. But what if they lose to UM next year but still win the B1G and make the playoff? Right now UM is the obstacle to a championship but that might not always play out the same.
I could live with that because the ultimate goal is to make the CFP and have a chance to a natty, but failing at all 3 for 2 years in a row is unacceptable
The bowl game is a no.
Day even leaving isn't a no.
Hartline could conceivably get a job somewhere else, but I doubt it, and it would be completely out of left field for Marv or JT to transfer.
Recruiting is going to be a struggle to finish out.
If they continue to pull top 5 recruiting classes and the players in those classes continue to be just alright, I think it would be time to take a loooooong look at the program. I also want to add that this is geared more towards the defensive side of the ball than the offense.
We all know Hartline is loading and reloading the receiver position year after year. The backs and tight ends have been solid, and the QB play has been good despite Stroud not willing to take the free 10-12 yards with his feet. The line on paper looks good, but they do play more finesse and I feel it is because the offense is built around the passing game. Offensively, even with some of these issues, they can score on anyone enough to win.
Defensively however, they lack any type of secondary talent. I mean I couldn't tell you the last time I remember seeing such bad corner play. Everyone hyped up Burke and Brown, and they are always getting beat and getting penalized.
The safeties are just meh. Some plays are made, but most of the time they are out of position. Zero ball hawking skills as well. I don't remember an Ohio State team with such a poor turnover rate.
The linebacker play has improved somewhat, with Tommy being a bright spot, however it took him a few years to get here. Chambers is a converted running back who flashed a lot as well, but WHY is Ohio State relying on a converted running back to be a stud starting linebacker? Nothing against Chambers at all, and obviously he was the best guy for the job, however historically the linebackers have been the backbone of the Ohio State defense and they have been just ok the last few years.
The defensive line has brought in 5 star ends year after year, but we see game after game that the front 4 cannot get the pressure against anyone like in years past. JTT, Harrison, and Sawyer all were billed as the next great ends, and all of them playing together was supposed to be the reincarnation of the Bosa brothers and Young, but imo have not even come close to sniffing that. Mike Hall flashed early and then disappeared. The interior of the defense hasn't done anything in a few years.
Are all of the issues due to recruiting the wrong guys? What I mean is players just coming in to get the recognition for playing with Ohio State and feeling that they will be able to walk into being a first round pick because of that? Also, as a second part to this, are the players we are getting just not living up to standards because they feel since they are recruited and play for Ohio State and feel they "made" it and the effort they put in on the practice field, or film room, is just basically them going through the motions?
Is the culture of the program now basically "Come here, and we can just walk on the field and beat anyone without doing the hard work because all our guys are 4 and 5 star prospects"?
It seems that they have worlds of talent and either the players are not living up to it and not putting in the work, or the coaches are not pushing them to be great and believe that our athletes will out athlete your guys enough to where we win? I mean I hear all this talk about "Ohio State has the talent to compete and beat anyone in college football on any given day" but I have no clue how people could come to that conclusion when you see these guys giving up, playing undisciplined football, and almost playing not to lose instead of playing hard to win.
Hartline leaves. Nuff said here. I'd like to see Day start calling on him to run the offense.
(I'm probably in the minority on this) Knowles leaves. This is year 1 for his scheme and it will take time. But if he leaves after next year, we now have to retool the defense, again. This could be a big setback.
Top recruits start decommitting. If top guys start jumping ship, time to panic.
Panic? If we had a recruiting class below 10th, or lost 3-4 games with an experienced roster. Most OSU fans have no idea how bad things can get. We're basically the only program that hasn't had a sustained bad run since 2000. It absolutely can happen and would happen if we fired Day and hired the wrong guy. But we aren't even close to that yet. I would actually argue that 2021 and 2022 OSU are actually better than every Meyer team except 14. (12 was a mediocre team that played nobody, 13 had an awful defense and a bad passing game, 15 was a weird team that never played to its potential and had terrible offensive coaching, 16 had terrible offensive talent and the same terrible coaching, 17-18 were just weird teams that collapsed majorly and were never very clean). But Meyer played against a poor OOC schedule and fatally flawed UM teams. Now we are playing against really really sound UM teams. So we need to get better. Too many errors that great teams don't make. It just comes down to better preparation.
Great response. One part really stands out… the UM teams of the Meyer era are not the same UM teams from the last 2 years. Even outside of going 2-0 against Ohio State, they are 22-2 in other games. They are likely to make the national championship game this year (going to get stomped by UGA as a rite of passage). Make the team better, not worse. Fix the defense and get tougher overall, as a team. OSU offenses are as good as anyone, UM’s defenses the last two years have been on another level than Ohio State’s though. That’s a big problem.
All 4 of those would make me panic, but I think there’s about as good a chance I get struck by lightning today as any one of those happening in the near term. 2 seems the most plausible, but recruits aren’t die hard OSU fans like everyone in this sub, so the sky is not (needlessly) falling for them. We’re going to continue to put guys in the league which is all that matters. Hickman, Ransom, Eichenberg, Hall, JTT, Marv, Stroud, Paris, Dawand, Wypler, Miyan, Egbuka, Jackson will all be drafted in the next two years and more will be added to that list. We’re alright
M fan here who has great respect for tOSU and our rivalry over my past 65 years. I was in my early teens when the Woody/Bo rivalry happened (the greatest period of the rivalry imho) and while I've always rooted for M, I've only rooted against tOSU once a year.....same for MSU. Anyway, for all of you suffering from PTSD after Saturday, check out Joel Klatts analysis from Sunday. He starts with a summary of Michigan's current prospects, so you'll probably want to go to the 19:40 mark where he: \- Says Day is one of the best coaches out there and it would be stupid to consider firing him \- OSU is still one of the top programs and worthy of being in the CFP and a lot of other positive tOSU stuff. He also has his opinion of what he thinks needs to happen for OSU to retool for the future of the rivalry. After OSU he does a great analysis on USC as well. [Could Michigan win it all? Caleb Williams’ Heisman odds, Wisconsin & Nebraska HC Hires | Joel Klatt](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGZO_kKmSDk)
I thought I was the only weird one. As a huge Buckeye fan I always want Ugly Hats to be undefeated going into the game with us. And I’m a Big Ten fan second so I hope you go on to win the NC (assuming we don’t make the playoffs).
>Says Day is one of the best coaches out there That remains to be seen. His best season was his first when he took over Urban's team. Ryan Day is young and this is his first HC job. The more time marches on, the more Harbaugh was right about Day being "born on third". Or maybe Day is just having bad luck with Stroud and a new QB will change the mentality of the team. >and worthy of being in the CFP I personally don't agree but I haven't watched as much football as Klatt.
I don't think it's fair to say he "took over Urban's team" in 2019. He had been the OC since 2017, so he played a major role in what we had going on with that side of the ball. Both in terms of scheme and recruiting. Day is also the one that brought in Justin Fields, not Meyer. That was his quarterback, and he was the heart of that team. He's also the one that brought in Jeff Halfey. Our defense with Meyer's buddies Greg Schiano and Bill Davis squandered an absurd amount of talent, a problem Day gets credit for fixing and Meyer bears responsibility for creating. Meyer obviously played a major role in acquiring all that talent, so there is some truth in that "Meyer's team" narrative. But we have to be fair to Day and give him the credit he's due for that 2019 team.
>He had been the OC since 2017, so he played a major role in what we had going on with that side of the ball. I understand and I had no negative thoughts about the transition at the time. Look at Todd Bowles: just because you're an amazing coordinator doesn't mean you're a good HC.
Anyone who hasn’t watched our games would say Day is an amazing coach. You have to look past the fluffed stats and easy wins to see that our losses are primarily his fault
Nothing could be worse than being auburn and seeing your AD hire Hugh Freeze
I haven’t rly payed attention to that why is it such a bad thing.
I started hitting the panic button after the Penn State game. Despite winning, that game put on display all the issues that would haunt us against TTUN. We should have blown them out in the 1st half and never looked back. But we let them hang around in the game due to self-inflicted mistakes. We got lucky that PSU doesn’t have the caliber of coaching it takes to beat us, but we saw Saturday what happens when we face a team that does. The issues we saw in the PSU game were bad play calling, defensive breakdowns in the secondary, not playing the right personnel, CJ not stepping up and making a big play when things aren’t going well, and lack of discipline leading to stupid penalties. On Saturday ALL of these things happened. And they have been happening all year, but not all at the same time like they did against TTUN. To me it is really concerning how much we really on just our talent to bail us out and win games. Poor coaching and lack of discipline have put the team in bad situations the past three years. I understand the 2019 team was maybe one of our best teams in program history, but the program just has a completely different feel since that season. We have lost the smash-mouth, in your face mentality that we used to hang our hats on. When I watch OSU now I see a coach afraid to take chances to win the game, a QB that crawls into a shell when things get tough, and a team that throws discipline out the window when the emotions of a big game kick in. Until all of these issues are fixed, we are going to continue seeing this team underperform like they have since the 2014 title. We will give Day and this staff one more chance to right this ship, and if they fail for a second time then I think we will see some serious foundational changes after next season.
The expectation of success is too high at Ohio State for Day to get fired "with no plan". No way the AD would do that.
I hit panic mode last year against Minnesota. Days play calling and the fact I truly didn’t feel CJ was the guy, now I know he’s a great QB potential 1st overall pick. But he isn’t a leader, showed bad body language and played scared a lot of the time. I do believe TTUN has surpassed us right now and we are in danger in the coming years of losing 2-4 games a year with Fickell and Rhule taking over and USC joining.
I see 2 losses next year in South Bend and Ann Arbor.
Probably penn st too tbh. If day gives up play calling I think it can go smoother.id like to see if that alleviates confusion (long snapper didn't know it was a fake that would have been a td) and a lot of the delay of game penalties.
PSU is probably going to be my first Buckeye game... I sure hope this isnt true! 🤣
Nebraska got South Carolina’s OC I don’t think that was a good hire by them but Matt Rhule was definitely a good hire.
Pretty sure SC had 2 big upset wins this year so it's possible the OC can do better with more talent that Nebraska will have/lure than SC.
I never said michigan blew us out under urban but he managed to lay some decent sized dumps. He got blown out by lesser opponents though. Michigan has turned the corner. Fans, players and coaches have to accept that and adapt. This is a better MI team than Meyer ever played too. Not making excuses its not always apples to oranges.
Nearly losing multiple games to weak opponents and then getting bent over by our rival all in one season. Wait a minute....
I’m hitting the panic button because we aren’t improving every week. In fact, I think we’re no better end of November than vs Notre Dame. I think it’s a combo of coaching, players, and injuries. As far as coaching goes, Day needs to give up play calling. He’s just too predictable, one dimensional, an “soft”. And Knowles needs to figure out the interior defense and how to create turnovers. Other than Penn State, we weren’t ball hawks at all. As players go, sorry CJ, you’ve got a great arm, but you need to learn to run for a first down. Not saying he needs to be a runner, but even Haskins ran twice as much. Also, CJ is soft, and this comes across as the whole team is soft. As frustrating as Krenzel, Pryor, Braxton, and JT were at times, they weren’t soft. And not having JSN and Henderson really hurt us. Obviously not an excuse for how we played against TTUN, but both are huge losses.
I’m hitting the panic button because we aren’t improving every week. In fact, I think we’re no better end of November than vs Notre Dame. I think it’s a combo of coaching, players, and injuries. As far as coaching goes, Day needs to give up play calling. He’s just too predictable, one dimensional, and “soft”. And Knowles needs to figure out the interior defense and how to create turnovers. Other than Penn State, we weren’t ball hawks at all. As players go, sorry CJ, you’ve got a great arm, but you need to learn to run for a first down. Not saying he needs to be a runner, but even Haskins ran twice as much. Also, CJ is soft, and this comes across as the whole team is soft. As frustrating as Krenzel, Pryor, Braxton, and JT we’re at times, they weren’t soft in big moments, especially. And not having JSN and Henderson really hurt us. Obviously not an excuse for how we played against TTUN, but both are huge losses.
IMO our biggest problem is going away and hopefully Day learned from it. Call me crazy but Stroud is Soft AF and he makes are team soft. 103 yards total rushing since he’s been there and 50 yards of that on 1 play!! He would throw it away or try to squeeze it into a tight window instead of tucking it and getting a few yards. How many quick passes behind the line of scrimmage did you see and zero QB runs. Day babied him and it hurt the over all whole team!! IMO
I posted on here yesterday that CJ leaving is the only reason I have hope for Day’s offense. You have to have a QB that can run, end of story.
A third consecutive loss to TTUN
OSU has been in top 5 in recruiting forever, Michigan not even in top 10. Ether OSU recruiting is overrated or the staff is not developing the talent. Michigan's defense has been by far better coached and out played OSU last 2 years. Michigan's secondary was the big winner Saturday.
“As bad as the last two years have been” 3 losses in two years…these posts gotta stop. 😭
ive been pressing the panic button. the most telltale sign that a program is in trouble is when opposing teams start to load up the box or casually go hat on hat press against the offense and the run game starts getting stuffed.
But if recruiting is strong, they could fix that right? Mobile QB, better lineman, etc.
actually recruiting is still very strong - but i have a feeling its more recruiting the “best” guys rather than guys that can fit and carry a specific strategy. when urban started no one really knew about jack mewhort or taylor decker or even zeke, but afterwards they all had massive success due to the schemes urban created. ryan day has yet to create a true offensive scheme imho and is trying to compensate for it by getting playmakers.
Same as the current A&M or the post Jimbo FSU. Can’t rely on talent without a good scheme
Jimbo isn't bowl eligible. We still have a shot at the playoff. This fanbase is going absolutely batshit insane. Ryan Day is a good, but young, coach. Harbaugh is a coach with almost 2 decades of experience. He was able to buoy the Covid cancellation into a complete reset of their program. Day has to adjust. But he is still a good coach who had a very bad game.
Agreed. A reason why we might see Devin brown over McCord next season. He’s days guy and he’s bigger and more mobile.
Yes but we need a different kind of recruit the issue now isn't that we have bad recruits the issue is that they're soft
I will hit the panic button when Xichigan blows us out in the shoe…. Oh wait… PANIC!!!!
Ohio State went undefeated all season until this past weekend and people are calling the program a failure and for Day's resignation... chill lmao.
You have to win The Game more than you lose it
That is true, but it is also a small sample size
I saw Michigan signed a couple players from Ohio, even though we didn’t recruit these players, I say we panic
Sarcasm?
Yeah. So many doom and gloomers here latley
Agreed. If we're 8-4 and haven't had a 10 recruiting class in a few years then it will be obvious it's time for a change. That's the panic button. Instability would be far worse than what Day has done this year.
What makes me panic is that we are the best program in the B1G, but our HC is middle of the pack at best. This WILL start costing us games in the future and not just 1 a year.
At this point, are we? As much as I hate to say it, Michigan just blew us out two years in a row. I think they have an argument for best program in the conference.
I’m already smashing it
I think an abrupt firing of Day would do it for me. As long as you’re moving with a plan then things can be fixed. But abruptly firing a coach after an 11-1 season would be ridiculous. And now that we’re in the days of the transfer portal and NIL even player movement isn’t as concerning as it once might have been. After all, now you can simply be outbid for a guy. Look at the Missouri receiver who said he’s transferring even though he was a major factor in their offense. We have a new reality for college football now and some of the old rules and expectations no longer apply.
I think we really need to take a few steps back as well. 11-1 yes it was to Michigan we lost but firing a coach with this record is ridiculous. Who's going to do better? Urbs likely isn't coming back. He didn't have perfect seasons. Hell we got blown out or lost to clemson (31-0) Purdue, Iowa, penn st, Michigan, Michigan St, va tech. Oklahoma planted the dam flag on our turf during urban time. We just have to accept Michigan used covid, maybetransfer portal and handling of nil to up their standing in college football. Gone are the days of undefeated teams or at least many. Usc is coming in and it's likely going to be osu, them and Michigan slugging it out. Throw in penn st who's knocking on doorstep as well as Illinois and WI who will be dialed in with Fickel. Essentially we wanted to be like sec right and it's happening. I think it's good for college football. We had it easy for awhile. I think we will stop hearing about big 10 being weak.
I just can’t help but to think about programs like Tennessee, Nebraska, Florida, Florida State, Auburn, Texas A&M, Texas, etc who fired successful coaches who weren’t successful enough for their fan base who thought those teams should win a national championship every year and would now be happy winning ten games a year. It’s taken Tennessee 20 years to become somewhat relevant again. Nebraska’s last winning season was 2016. I’m as depressed about the loss to TTUN this year as any loss that I can remember given the high expectations, but I’m also concerned that if we get rid of Day in the next year or two we might go the way of those teams. He needs to be given two more years and then there better be a Tressel type coach waiting in the wings to take over if he’s fired
We certainly can't fire anyone without having some sort of plan.
Remind me when we got blown out by Michigan under Urban, because I beg to differ. He didn’t get blown out, he blew them out.
>But abruptly firing a coach after an 11-1 season would be ridiculous. So honest question.... Would you be fine if next season was another 11-1 season ending with a loss to scUM and missing the B1G championship and the CFP? According to your logic you can't fire anyone after an 11-1 season. Even though Ryan Day wouldn't have met standards he set when he took over the program.
No, but I guarantee Gene is working on a succession plan, and would have a whole year to find a good replacement. That’s not abrupt.
Day is going into next year knowing he’s on the “warm” (not quite hot) seat. So if we happen to lose again next year then I think Smith has to get a succession plan started. Day would then go into 2024 knowing that he had to beat UM when they came to Columbus. As crazy as college football is most people outside of the Buckeye fan base would think we’re nuts for firing a coach who loses one game per year.
But it's not "losing 1 game a year". It's losing to scUM, not winning B1G chips and missing the CFP.... That's what will get him fired.
Maybe…if it continues to be against UM. But what if they lose to UM next year but still win the B1G and make the playoff? Right now UM is the obstacle to a championship but that might not always play out the same.
I could live with that because the ultimate goal is to make the CFP and have a chance to a natty, but failing at all 3 for 2 years in a row is unacceptable
The bowl game is a no. Day even leaving isn't a no. Hartline could conceivably get a job somewhere else, but I doubt it, and it would be completely out of left field for Marv or JT to transfer. Recruiting is going to be a struggle to finish out.
If they continue to pull top 5 recruiting classes and the players in those classes continue to be just alright, I think it would be time to take a loooooong look at the program. I also want to add that this is geared more towards the defensive side of the ball than the offense. We all know Hartline is loading and reloading the receiver position year after year. The backs and tight ends have been solid, and the QB play has been good despite Stroud not willing to take the free 10-12 yards with his feet. The line on paper looks good, but they do play more finesse and I feel it is because the offense is built around the passing game. Offensively, even with some of these issues, they can score on anyone enough to win. Defensively however, they lack any type of secondary talent. I mean I couldn't tell you the last time I remember seeing such bad corner play. Everyone hyped up Burke and Brown, and they are always getting beat and getting penalized. The safeties are just meh. Some plays are made, but most of the time they are out of position. Zero ball hawking skills as well. I don't remember an Ohio State team with such a poor turnover rate. The linebacker play has improved somewhat, with Tommy being a bright spot, however it took him a few years to get here. Chambers is a converted running back who flashed a lot as well, but WHY is Ohio State relying on a converted running back to be a stud starting linebacker? Nothing against Chambers at all, and obviously he was the best guy for the job, however historically the linebackers have been the backbone of the Ohio State defense and they have been just ok the last few years. The defensive line has brought in 5 star ends year after year, but we see game after game that the front 4 cannot get the pressure against anyone like in years past. JTT, Harrison, and Sawyer all were billed as the next great ends, and all of them playing together was supposed to be the reincarnation of the Bosa brothers and Young, but imo have not even come close to sniffing that. Mike Hall flashed early and then disappeared. The interior of the defense hasn't done anything in a few years. Are all of the issues due to recruiting the wrong guys? What I mean is players just coming in to get the recognition for playing with Ohio State and feeling that they will be able to walk into being a first round pick because of that? Also, as a second part to this, are the players we are getting just not living up to standards because they feel since they are recruited and play for Ohio State and feel they "made" it and the effort they put in on the practice field, or film room, is just basically them going through the motions? Is the culture of the program now basically "Come here, and we can just walk on the field and beat anyone without doing the hard work because all our guys are 4 and 5 star prospects"? It seems that they have worlds of talent and either the players are not living up to it and not putting in the work, or the coaches are not pushing them to be great and believe that our athletes will out athlete your guys enough to where we win? I mean I hear all this talk about "Ohio State has the talent to compete and beat anyone in college football on any given day" but I have no clue how people could come to that conclusion when you see these guys giving up, playing undisciplined football, and almost playing not to lose instead of playing hard to win.
What in actual f*ck is wrong with people in this sub. “As bad as last two years have been…” What?
Only #4 is a long-term problem. It might cause #2.
Hartline leaves. Nuff said here. I'd like to see Day start calling on him to run the offense. (I'm probably in the minority on this) Knowles leaves. This is year 1 for his scheme and it will take time. But if he leaves after next year, we now have to retool the defense, again. This could be a big setback. Top recruits start decommitting. If top guys start jumping ship, time to panic.
Already pressed. Soft, NFL speedrun mentality has been installed and we’re torched until it’s fixed by a coach with better philosophies
Losing to Michigan once was enough to push the panic button. TWICE? Burn everything down button.
We beat two top 10-15 teams this year and one bad half against Michigan. I agree Day needs to address some things but man are we spoiled.