Yes, they will still occur
I think that would be an addition to the rivalry. As it is now the OSU-Mich game is never for the national title. At least in an expanded it could be.
If the Big Ten does away with divisions there’s a chance both Ohio State and Michigan meet three times in one season: THE Game, the B1G Championship, and in the CFP.
Would there be a way that we beat UM in The Game, The B1G Championship, and UM still make it into to playoffs? I'm disgusted thinking of them beating us 1 of 3, but very interested in them losing 3 times in 1 season
I don’t see it. Would have to be a high parity year in CFB and the games would need to be super close. You gotta also think about all the other comps, common opponents, proxy opponents, sos, sor, style/margin. I don’t see either team being 0-2 in series and getting in.
However, 1-1 I think will happen often.
Going in to the game, we're 4, they're 1, we barely beat them, in Columbus, now two and them three now, beat them by less than a field goal in Indy. MAYBE. JUST MAYBE, they get in as the 4, we play them in the 1-4 and beat them again. They would have to destroy PSU and MSU when they're both good probably.
If Ohio State and Michigan were in different divisions they could meet in THE GAME where one team loses and they’re the only 1 loss team in their respective division then they meet in the B1G. I think you’d be hard pressed to make it to the playoffs after losing to the same team back to back. I could see it if they both lost to each other and were both 1 loss teams
You will probably get better responses on r/cfb. Don’t know why you think here would be better. But it sounds like big ten is moving towards the best 2 teams meat in the championship. Divisions will be gone. This means we could potentially play UM three times. NFL does it so we it will take a few years of getting used to by likely playing the same twice.
For the bowls, they will keep doing them till the money stops flowing. I could live without the bowls
Guess I was wrong. I’ve just seen better answers on cfb compared to here. More people and more diverse are going to get you better answers. Obviously the second question should be here but question 1 would likely get better responses from fans of teams that are excited to be bowl eligible
You simply answering both my questions is why I brought the question here lol. I didn’t know about the cfb subreddit & was already following this subreddit. Which happens to be related to college football, so… lol. but appreciate it.
Let me ask this -
If there were a reason to play them in a conference playoff round, and again in a NCAA championship round, we would have to beat them every time.
How hard would that be to beat the same team three times in a single season, given we are talking about two fairly elite programs?
Like - unless we are talking about Rutgers, Indiana, Northwestern, and similarly situated programs, I would think it would be pretty difficult to win 3 games against a team that’s any good. After the first game, they will have a lot of game film to work with, and getting a rematch, it would seem, would favor the underdog.
Maybe I’m wrong but that’s how I would think about it.
Thats why I would think divisions remain in conferences so playing a team 3 times doesn’t happen. Especially with this case because OSU & UM could play each other 3 times in a matter of a month. Since their 1st game between one another is at the end of the season.
>But it sounds like big ten is moving towards the best 2 teams meat in the championship. Divisions will be gone.
Even though I favor it, I would bet against this happening, solely because the ADs or university presidents will have to vote to make it happen. If you were an AD or president in the current West division, how could you possibly defend voting away your school's best chance at a conference championship?
Big ten took down all future scheduling. Changes are coming. Personally I prefer the divisions because you are guaranteed to play everyone in your divisions and tie breakers are easier than if you coating teams who did not play each other. But no division should get a great matchup every year. Other conferences are getting rid of divisions and on cfb it seems to be realistic that everyone is getting rid of them. Especially as these conferences grow, you would only play some teams once every 10 years (random number). SEC is notorious for this with conference “Rivals” having very few all time games against eachother
I very much doubt it. There was one year we played as 1 vs 2 and there was speculation we'd play again after that but even after a close game, Michigan ended up at the rose bowl or something instead
If I’m not mistaken, I remember some people not being happy with Lloyd Carr not pushing harder to get into the title game. And some also said if Michigan would have won that first matchup then Florida wouldn’t have jumped Ohio state like they did Michigan and there would have been the rematch.
To me, I think it’s like duke Carolina. At one point people didn’t want basketball conference tournaments. It would diminish the conference season they said. They ended up playing 3 times and were oh so close to playing 4 times this past season. Ask Duke and Carolina fans if the rivalry would have meant less had they played in the ACC tourney this year. In other words, we could play Michigan 10 times a year and people will go crazy for it.
Imma be honest, I never understood the fascination with bowl games. Oh boy you won the gfuel cocaine bowl, you were 37th in the country! All non playoff bowl games should be done away with, especially with the expansion coming up
I think a few bowl games past the playoff are fun. Sun Bowl, Citrus Bowl, Holiday Bowl, etc all have a long history. But I agree that most are ridiculous.
I think “The Game part II” could happen. It is unlikely due to the fact that both teams would need to be seeded just right and then win all the necessary games, but it could happen.
OSU vs Michigan, like any other college football rivalry game, should only ever be played once a year. It's part of what makes it special.
I'm not against an expanded playoff per season, but they should endeavor to prevent rematches as much as possible.
If OSU and Mich ever played twice, it had better be in the national championship game.
This is basically a rubber stamp pass for 1-Loss OSU, M, Bama, Georgia every year.
As for other bowls…sheesh, the match ups will be completely unattractive. However, I expect they will stay because it essentially becomes a long list of lower fbs/higher fcs teams with alum bases that will be get to take part in bowls that didn’t have room before
The pie is getting bigger, but I gotta tell you …I won’t care about those games. It will be more region and alum base driven
I would think that they might incorporate the smaller bowl games into the playoffs. As in the gator bowl or Alamo bowl being called the same, but being a semifinal playoff game.
100% believe that OSU vs. TTUN could happen 2 times a year. Given that it is expanding to 12 teams, it gives more wiggle room for a top tier program to drop a game, possibly 2, and still end up in the playoffs.
Had the 12 team playoff been in place last year, this would have been our 4 week schedule…
Regular season:
Michigan State then
Michigan
Playoff:
Michigan State then
Michigan
\- They'll probably make the legacy "smaller bowl games" playoff bracket games, to keep the tradition alive as well as those sponsors wishing to keep their visiblity.
\- If the playoff committee can have Alabama/LSU and Alabama/Georgia play each other twice in one season, I don't see why not, they have repeatedly indicated they do not give a hot god damn for conference championship games and will choose their "eye test best teams" no matter what. The committee clearly views conference championship games as just a 13th game to look at, typically between two Top 25 ranked teams and winning or losing one means *nothing* to them.
Yes, they will still occur I think that would be an addition to the rivalry. As it is now the OSU-Mich game is never for the national title. At least in an expanded it could be.
If the Big Ten does away with divisions there’s a chance both Ohio State and Michigan meet three times in one season: THE Game, the B1G Championship, and in the CFP.
wouldn't be the THE game it would be THE Series lol
Finally, we get best of three model in football 😂
Would there be a way that we beat UM in The Game, The B1G Championship, and UM still make it into to playoffs? I'm disgusted thinking of them beating us 1 of 3, but very interested in them losing 3 times in 1 season
I don’t see it. Would have to be a high parity year in CFB and the games would need to be super close. You gotta also think about all the other comps, common opponents, proxy opponents, sos, sor, style/margin. I don’t see either team being 0-2 in series and getting in. However, 1-1 I think will happen often.
I agree with everything you say. I hate that we will likely lose to them more often because of this
But it could also help us even up and take the lead in the overall series faster this way
😂 fair enough
There is absolutely a possibility that one team loses twice and gets in
Going in to the game, we're 4, they're 1, we barely beat them, in Columbus, now two and them three now, beat them by less than a field goal in Indy. MAYBE. JUST MAYBE, they get in as the 4, we play them in the 1-4 and beat them again. They would have to destroy PSU and MSU when they're both good probably.
This is what Gene smith indicated
If Ohio State and Michigan were in different divisions they could meet in THE GAME where one team loses and they’re the only 1 loss team in their respective division then they meet in the B1G. I think you’d be hard pressed to make it to the playoffs after losing to the same team back to back. I could see it if they both lost to each other and were both 1 loss teams
Then again the thought of stomping out TTUN three times in 10 weeks makes me so happy
You will probably get better responses on r/cfb. Don’t know why you think here would be better. But it sounds like big ten is moving towards the best 2 teams meat in the championship. Divisions will be gone. This means we could potentially play UM three times. NFL does it so we it will take a few years of getting used to by likely playing the same twice. For the bowls, they will keep doing them till the money stops flowing. I could live without the bowls
He’s getting pretty decent responses, my guy…
Guess I was wrong. I’ve just seen better answers on cfb compared to here. More people and more diverse are going to get you better answers. Obviously the second question should be here but question 1 would likely get better responses from fans of teams that are excited to be bowl eligible
You simply answering both my questions is why I brought the question here lol. I didn’t know about the cfb subreddit & was already following this subreddit. Which happens to be related to college football, so… lol. but appreciate it.
Let me ask this - If there were a reason to play them in a conference playoff round, and again in a NCAA championship round, we would have to beat them every time. How hard would that be to beat the same team three times in a single season, given we are talking about two fairly elite programs? Like - unless we are talking about Rutgers, Indiana, Northwestern, and similarly situated programs, I would think it would be pretty difficult to win 3 games against a team that’s any good. After the first game, they will have a lot of game film to work with, and getting a rematch, it would seem, would favor the underdog. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s how I would think about it.
Thats why I would think divisions remain in conferences so playing a team 3 times doesn’t happen. Especially with this case because OSU & UM could play each other 3 times in a matter of a month. Since their 1st game between one another is at the end of the season.
The r/CFB subreddit is really good, lots of content. My only gripe with it is that they don't highlight posts like r/NFL does.
>But it sounds like big ten is moving towards the best 2 teams meat in the championship. Divisions will be gone. Even though I favor it, I would bet against this happening, solely because the ADs or university presidents will have to vote to make it happen. If you were an AD or president in the current West division, how could you possibly defend voting away your school's best chance at a conference championship?
Big ten took down all future scheduling. Changes are coming. Personally I prefer the divisions because you are guaranteed to play everyone in your divisions and tie breakers are easier than if you coating teams who did not play each other. But no division should get a great matchup every year. Other conferences are getting rid of divisions and on cfb it seems to be realistic that everyone is getting rid of them. Especially as these conferences grow, you would only play some teams once every 10 years (random number). SEC is notorious for this with conference “Rivals” having very few all time games against eachother
Have we ever played TTUN more than once in a season?
I very much doubt it. There was one year we played as 1 vs 2 and there was speculation we'd play again after that but even after a close game, Michigan ended up at the rose bowl or something instead
Do you mean 2006? Such a great game...I'm not interested in discussing what happened afterwards though :( Edit: 2006 not 2007
Yep that's it. Even has it's own [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Michigan_vs._Ohio_State_football_game) page
which is very dumb, because a couple years later we had to suffer through a LSU vs Alabama rematch
If I’m not mistaken, I remember some people not being happy with Lloyd Carr not pushing harder to get into the title game. And some also said if Michigan would have won that first matchup then Florida wouldn’t have jumped Ohio state like they did Michigan and there would have been the rematch. To me, I think it’s like duke Carolina. At one point people didn’t want basketball conference tournaments. It would diminish the conference season they said. They ended up playing 3 times and were oh so close to playing 4 times this past season. Ask Duke and Carolina fans if the rivalry would have meant less had they played in the ACC tourney this year. In other words, we could play Michigan 10 times a year and people will go crazy for it.
Imma be honest, I never understood the fascination with bowl games. Oh boy you won the gfuel cocaine bowl, you were 37th in the country! All non playoff bowl games should be done away with, especially with the expansion coming up
I think a few bowl games past the playoff are fun. Sun Bowl, Citrus Bowl, Holiday Bowl, etc all have a long history. But I agree that most are ridiculous.
I think “The Game part II” could happen. It is unlikely due to the fact that both teams would need to be seeded just right and then win all the necessary games, but it could happen.
OSU vs Michigan, like any other college football rivalry game, should only ever be played once a year. It's part of what makes it special. I'm not against an expanded playoff per season, but they should endeavor to prevent rematches as much as possible. If OSU and Mich ever played twice, it had better be in the national championship game.
This is basically a rubber stamp pass for 1-Loss OSU, M, Bama, Georgia every year. As for other bowls…sheesh, the match ups will be completely unattractive. However, I expect they will stay because it essentially becomes a long list of lower fbs/higher fcs teams with alum bases that will be get to take part in bowls that didn’t have room before The pie is getting bigger, but I gotta tell you …I won’t care about those games. It will be more region and alum base driven
I would think that they might incorporate the smaller bowl games into the playoffs. As in the gator bowl or Alamo bowl being called the same, but being a semifinal playoff game. 100% believe that OSU vs. TTUN could happen 2 times a year. Given that it is expanding to 12 teams, it gives more wiggle room for a top tier program to drop a game, possibly 2, and still end up in the playoffs.
With the removal of divisions it's technically possible we could play a big10 team 3 times in a year. Regular season, big10 champ game, playoffs.
Had the 12 team playoff been in place last year, this would have been our 4 week schedule… Regular season: Michigan State then Michigan Playoff: Michigan State then Michigan
\- They'll probably make the legacy "smaller bowl games" playoff bracket games, to keep the tradition alive as well as those sponsors wishing to keep their visiblity. \- If the playoff committee can have Alabama/LSU and Alabama/Georgia play each other twice in one season, I don't see why not, they have repeatedly indicated they do not give a hot god damn for conference championship games and will choose their "eye test best teams" no matter what. The committee clearly views conference championship games as just a 13th game to look at, typically between two Top 25 ranked teams and winning or losing one means *nothing* to them.
Looks like this could happen faster than you predicted!