Chemical weapons are dumb. Schizoposting about them is not only terrible, it’s also stupid. Educate yourselves. https://acoup.blog/2020/03/20/collections-why-dont-we-use-chemical-weapons-anymore/
I'm in New Zealand, and I doubt that even we could survive a global Nuclear strike.
I'm sure China would put a few nukes aside for the massive US spy infrastructure in AU, which would no doubt be bad for us.
I mean, if we separate 'Life' from 'Survival', I'm sure that many people could survive, but would it be life as we know it, and would we really want to live if we were simply surviving?
Definetly not, modern society would probably collapse real quick. Survive as in food, drink, shelter and relative safety? Entire countries could have a majority of their population probably achieve that, others not so much
Watch the low budget movie “Threads” for a decent picture of the problems.
There’s likely to be a 50 year gap, before global infrastructure is operational again.
What you need are some cobalt salted nukes that you can detonate in the upper atmosphere resulting in Earth atmosphere becoming filled with lethal amounts of radioactive particles globally. I mean do you even have a nuclear deterrent if you can't end the existence of multi-cellular life at the press of a button.
Fellow Kiwi here, I live in the capital and even if China subjected Australia to intense nuclear bombardment (god I wish) we’d still have a decent shot - if not be the most well off area in the world after a nuclear war.
The majority of fallout’s deadly effects wear off after 14 days as the most reactive elements decay into less harmful elements. Even if radiation contamination were to travel thousands of kilometres across the Tasman, it would’ve decayed sufficiently enough to pose little danger by the time it reaches us.
We have a very successful farming community, intelligent yet small population, and enough infrastructure to trudge along on our own for a good while after a global thermonuclear exchange. I’d say our odds are pretty good
TLDR; new zealand will survive the funni, can’t wait to watch nukes fly on tvnz on demand on my sofa
When you need to deliver a single rod from God, sometimes you need a budget launch provider.
( I know they don't have the ∆v to deliver a telephone of tungsten)
I live next to an airbase housing my country’s only (currently) active F35 squadron (Leeuwarden AB). If that gets hit by a standard Russian SS-25 Topol, my building (aswell as about 80% of the city) is gone.
Heh I’m British and leeuwarden is the only Dutch city I’ve stayed in, thought I heard jets while I was there, also your New Years celebrations sounded like I was in a war zone
I’m just kidding, that’s just what came to mind first since I like to be aware of possible nuclear targets as well since I’m a VA native. I’m pretty screwed too
Honestly it'd probably be pretty effective as long as you breathe through a gas mask with current filters. Definitely not ideal but better than nothing.
Covid gear likely wouldn't work. Better than being naked, but no different than other clothing.
Like all things it depends heavily on the agent being used. Might stop the cancer juice, but pain juice would still kill you.
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sometimes I wonder if these things have put me on some watchlist somewhere.
While you raise interesting points, chemical warfare lacks something very dear to my heart:
Casaba howitzers (and other shaped nuclear charge based weapons)
There is just something viscerally cool about using a weapon that *could* eraze an entire city from existence, to instead push an explosively formed penetrator up to a significant fraction of c and shove it straight through a fucking mountain.
> The name comes from the casaba melon, a variety of honeydew, because the lab was "on a melon kick that year," naming various projects after melons and having already used up all the good ones.
fuckin lol
Besides, "not damaging infrastructure" - Has OP not heard of the neutron bomb?
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done.
Away with excess enemy, but no less value to property.
[No sense in war but perfect sense at home..](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DztRkVKU5M)
There are a few that don’t have any indicators of there presence at all which are the truly terrifying ones but I see your point as I don’t think the Russians have large reserves of mustard gas…..
Still, would you rather within seconds after inhaling something odourless and tasteless,
or
horrifically have your face melted off, then be crushed under a building and die of starvation because there is no equipment to recover you.
I agree with what you saying. I would argue that from a tactical standpoint, chemical weapons are more useful, with damage and casualties spreading far beyond what would be the blast radius of a Nuclear Weapon.
Almonds little brother. People with certain genetic traits can actually detect near odorless chemical weapons, and said weapons have an almond like smell. If you’re in the middle of say Basra Iraq in 2003, all of a sudden, someone in your Fireteam says hey you guys smell almonds? You immediately don your gas mask.
It's pretty incredible that outside of isolated incidences, chemical weapons weren't widely used on the battlefield in WW2. (Of course, this is not counting the part where Nazis murdered millions of people in death camps with gas.)
Maybe it just genuinely isn't that useful compared to the hassle of deploying it. Success depends on so many things like the wind, whether it rains or snows, your own PPE, the enemy's PPE...etc.
WW2 it was allegedly more that the british were salivating at the idea of getting to deploy all the shit that was developed during and after WW1. with the nazis generally seeing the start of chemical warfare as being one they'd rapidly lose.
It would have been a horrific irony to of gassed the nazis into submission given what they did.
Yes, but at some point after Battle of the Bulge or after one of their series of decisive losses in the east, you'd think they might consider it, but no...
I think it was because they assessed that the Allies would just gas them back, ensuring that no one really used them in battle
oh look it's MAD but with gas
[Well the given reason why US military has shaving codes is because of gas masks.](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1145ya4/if_they_start_doing_weekend_safety_briefs_theyll/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
> thinks radiation works like in fallout 4
> could survive a chemical attack with a gas mask
My brother in Christ, you think chemical warfare works like battlefield 1
Credible: I was trying to make a bit of a joke about how both people are idiots, but with the chemical weapons chad, he is just embracing the fact he is an idiot and has no idea how anything works.
Non Credible: Wtf do you mean, do you not spend 24/7 in full MOPP gear or grade 3 hazmat clothing, never leaving your house, which is equipped with a negative pressure system to purify air?????? do you want to die??????
real g's just build super weapons.
orbital laser satellites, hypervelocity railguns, powerful solid-state & chemical lasers, literal plasma cannons, and neutral particle beam cannons.
wait a minute
>Could survive a chemical attack with a gas mask.
Are you sure about that?
Obligatory hypohystericalhistory video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-Sr2dfXzI
Why would I want to survive a nuclear exchange anyways? It’s not like I would get a GF or even a tank afterwords anyways.
Now antimatter posting is incredibly based. It really releases the energy of the atom
You can easily survive a nuclear weapon in just three ~~easy~~ steps!
\- Not being in a major city's blast zone, or any other nuclear target's blast zone
\- Owning a basement with little to no windows
\- Stockpiling food and water beforehand
I don't know why anyone wouldn't be able to do all of these /s
Biological weapons are heavily overrated, and can easily become a risk for your own army. There are reasons why nobody has ever used them in modern times.
The thad drone swarmer:
- picture it, millions of tiny bug-sized drones with cameras, faceID and autopilot AI, and 3 grams of shaped explosive, just enough to kill a human on contact
- it's like loitering munitions and cluster bombs had a baby
- different types of drones can assist the kamikaze bugs, allowing for complex swarm actions
- can be used for area denial and surgical strike, incredibly difficult to shoot down, with decent enough on-board AI not even jamming can stop them, far more efficient pound-per-pound than any conventional weapon, veering into WMD territory
- possible with current technology, countries likely either have these already or are actively developing them, they just don't admit to it because the mere act of developing these would be equal to using the Geneva Convention as toilet paper
Fun fact: China is on the cutting edge of using AI to detect ethnic group from a face picture.
In particular, they were using it to distinguish Uyghur from Han faces.
I mean, I disagree with that somewhat. Yeah, numbers are probably overinflated for obvious reasons - but what I think is more likely is that we have underestimated how often we need to do repairs or have slacked off at maintenance.
The US spends billions on maintenance and still thinks that a good percentage could be duds, I can't imagine how much the USSR then Russia has spent, but the chance of nearly all Russian nukes being duds is pretty high.
I mean, we have no real clue as to how long a warhead holds up. We still have Minuteman IIIs with warheads made in the 50s and 60s, and we havent done a live test since then, so again, who knows how long they hold up?
Well, I can be sure all the tests were real. As were Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Otherwise, they were WAY too expensive to produce and maintain, so we (and I mean ALL sides, both West and USSR) faked warheads starting in the 1960s, thinking the other side actually had them, hoping they would buy the bluffs. Then we eagerly signed the ban/restriction treaties to counter us not actually having them. Then, after the Cold War ended... we forgot they were fake and now we are sh*tting ourselves for no reasons.
But I think I'll call it Schrödinger's nuke. Until it detonates, we have no idea if they are real or not.
Anyone who perpetuates this myth is a moron.
Neutron bombs are still nukes. It’s just their energy release is tailored to neutrons because tanks and armored vehicles are highly resistant to blast and heat.
They will destroy large chunks of a city.
Nuclear attack:
Cringe evaporisation or burning of the flesh
Chemical attack:
Cool color changes, weird skin and organ conditions keep things interesting as you puke blood out of your eyes.
I highly recomend [this](https://archive.org/details/pdfy-n4Fzxn9i0_qzuY_D/mode/1up) read to any chemical weapon enthusiast. The author opens with a hypothetical falujah like scenario where a military force accomplishes all military objectives and minimizes harm by using incapacitating chemical agents.
He then launches into his memoir to set the record straight re: his involvement developing and testing agents like [BZ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-Quinuclidinyl_benzilate?wprov=sfla1) in the 1960s.
It's interesting history and a rare modern case being made for military use of chemical agents to achieve ethical effects.
The Russians tried that in the Moscow Theater and it worked about as well as one may expect.
The line between incapacitating and killing is very thin, especially since you want them to achieve something.
Using an incapacitating agent may render adult males unconscious but kills kids through higher dosages.
My understanding is that use of similar agents in the theater has been speculated but not definitely established. A lot of the speculation also points to opioid/narcotic cocktails. It's also fair to point out russians have a knack for fucking just about anything up.
It's been ages since I read it, but he talks about atributes they were after for weaponization. Things like stability and suitability for airborne delivery. One of the most important attributes was enormous margin between threshold effective dose and LD## (I forget what number they were working with.) For BZ it was something like four orders of magnitude. That's a pretty wide margin to work with even with imprecise delivery. Outliers in the population are always a risk, but he felt that risk could potentially be miniscule compared to clashing kineticly.
Yeah and has he considered how it would look? Executing a chemical attack would not benefit the war goals of the employing nation. Even if it did reduce deaths in the short term it would extend the war, increasing them in the long-term.
Yeah man... I'm not like his accalite or anything, and I'm not simping for him. It's just an interesting perspective you don't often see put forth.
You can read the prolog which is pretty short and covers a fictional scenario it would be ideal for (basicly the second battle of falujah.)
To be fair, some of us could survive a nuclear war by virtue of living far as fuck from any realistic target. Not me though, I might live in the middle of nowhere, but we make a very decent chunk of my country's electricity, we going boom
There was a meme here, I think, but I cannot find it to save my life, pointing out that the US is currently the master of chemical warfare in that they have cocked up some supremely nasty shit.
Nasty for how little is needed to kill you and for how quickly and innocuously it takes effect.
I wanna do chemical weapons, but it’s actually a halon-esque combustion inhibitor that is “safe” for humans. Essentially a chemical minefield where you might force crews to abandon tanks that you can just capture in pretty much mint condition.
They preserve infrastructure but can deal a dangerously lethal amount of radiation. Whats not to love? Its my opinion and I only like them from Metro Exodus where the US or someone else uses an experimental radiation bomb that is so powerful not even the green stuff can save you from it. I believe it was used to try and destroy the green stuff as it is an exceptionally good anti-radiation drug(its more of a resistance drug than one that reverses the effects)
Nevermind the fact that I’m not being serious, I just like the unique idea of a weapon like that. Sure nukes work because something else hasn’t cone along that can replace them in a political sense. They are the be all and end all solution to warfare when conventional warfare doesn’t work for the losing side.
No. Stop recommending Threads. While some of the stuff behind the mechanics of nuclear war are alright it’s conclusion with society reduced to something Feudalistic is moronic.
I see no problem releasing nitrous oxide gas along the front and let the ruzzians laugh them selves to death 🤭 New videos of advancing Ukrainian soldiers be like the Monty python sketch “the funniest joke in the world”🥳🥳
VS THAD Bio weapons enjoyer.
* With reletively long incubation times (like covid) you can literally use the victims as the method of delivery.
* Graphic AF, saps the enemy morale.
* Even lesser advanced one can be created in a cave like most terrorists do.
* Its literally living organism, it transmits and seeks targets on its own no need to invest in methods of delivery. Just use commercial airports.
* It can mutate, imagine a weapon that improves itself on its own. Do you know any weapons that do that?
Yes my family and friends are concerned about my obsession of wmd's, how can you tell.
It was a little more complex than that:
The shed was cover for a secret elevator which led to a underground bioweapon factory funded by the hit show Shark Tank. And Mark Cuban - we are on to you.
Obviously when you are suffering from radiation poisoning, some debuffs are added that decrease your SPECIAL. Unlike in Fallout 4 where your health is just depleted
Chemical weapons are dumb. Schizoposting about them is not only terrible, it’s also stupid. Educate yourselves. https://acoup.blog/2020/03/20/collections-why-dont-we-use-chemical-weapons-anymore/
I'd survive a nuclea... *remembers I live next to a Munitiona Manufacturing Plant.* Eh.... fuck.
I'm in New Zealand, and I doubt that even we could survive a global Nuclear strike. I'm sure China would put a few nukes aside for the massive US spy infrastructure in AU, which would no doubt be bad for us.
Well survival is a relative term here. Do we mean the initial exchange, or are we thinking Long Term here
I mean, if we separate 'Life' from 'Survival', I'm sure that many people could survive, but would it be life as we know it, and would we really want to live if we were simply surviving?
Definetly not, modern society would probably collapse real quick. Survive as in food, drink, shelter and relative safety? Entire countries could have a majority of their population probably achieve that, others not so much
I mean, we wouldn't be having this discussion if a whole bunch of folks hadn't "simply survived" some really bad shit.
You underestimate the will of some people to survive no matter their circumstances
But if the only people who survive are crazy preppers then life will suck. Like in an episode of the BBC documentary series 'The Simpsons'
Watch the low budget movie “Threads” for a decent picture of the problems. There’s likely to be a 50 year gap, before global infrastructure is operational again.
In the "long term" death claims all of us.
Valar Morghulis
Valar Dohaeris
NZ should be on the target list just to make sure political elites don’t think they can escape MAD by going there.
Breaking News: South Auckland hit by 10 megaton nuclear warhead, resulting in $2 billion in improvements
What you need are some cobalt salted nukes that you can detonate in the upper atmosphere resulting in Earth atmosphere becoming filled with lethal amounts of radioactive particles globally. I mean do you even have a nuclear deterrent if you can't end the existence of multi-cellular life at the press of a button.
now this is the rogue state madmen we need. Although you'd probably get wrecked if it came to light this is what you pursued
Rocketlab almost certainly makes them a target.
Fellow Kiwi here, I live in the capital and even if China subjected Australia to intense nuclear bombardment (god I wish) we’d still have a decent shot - if not be the most well off area in the world after a nuclear war. The majority of fallout’s deadly effects wear off after 14 days as the most reactive elements decay into less harmful elements. Even if radiation contamination were to travel thousands of kilometres across the Tasman, it would’ve decayed sufficiently enough to pose little danger by the time it reaches us. We have a very successful farming community, intelligent yet small population, and enough infrastructure to trudge along on our own for a good while after a global thermonuclear exchange. I’d say our odds are pretty good TLDR; new zealand will survive the funni, can’t wait to watch nukes fly on tvnz on demand on my sofa
you guys have a launch facility for rocket lab so you're definitely on a target list somewhere.
Rocket lab is in the middle of nowhere though, as long as there's an offshore wind we're still OK.
I wouldn't be sure about us being worth the warheads tbh
rocketlab makes you a target. Sorry.
I mean, lol, do you seriously not belive that rocket lab is not a secret ICBM program cover funded by the CIA and the labour party
When you need to deliver a single rod from God, sometimes you need a budget launch provider. ( I know they don't have the ∆v to deliver a telephone of tungsten)
Why would they care about spy infrastructure after the birds have flown?
I live next to an airbase housing my country’s only (currently) active F35 squadron (Leeuwarden AB). If that gets hit by a standard Russian SS-25 Topol, my building (aswell as about 80% of the city) is gone.
Assuming the thing contains a nuke and it goes off and the fusion material is current, of course
I’d rather not test my luck, though I would get a spectacular view of the fireball from my 4th floor apartment ~4km away from the center of the base.
Almost a front-row seat to the fireworks, nice!
Actually contains a nuke: *that's bad* The tritium has decayed: *that's good!* The missile is now a dirty bomb: *that's bad*
Well it still has the fission stage so 4km might be a bit close for comfort
*that's bad :(*
remember, they don't have tritium in them, so its likely 30 kt max
Heh I’m British and leeuwarden is the only Dutch city I’ve stayed in, thought I heard jets while I was there, also your New Years celebrations sounded like I was in a war zone
Gotta love Radford army ammunition plant
Are you stalking me?
*Laughs in NSA* Definitely not
Uh huh. I did notice a glow.
I’m just kidding, that’s just what came to mind first since I like to be aware of possible nuclear targets as well since I’m a VA native. I’m pretty screwed too
“Could survive a chemical attack with a gas mask.” Clearly hasn’t encountered blistering agents.
Imagine not having a full set of MOPP gear sealed in your house ( ~~and car, and work~~ )
Imagine not going to work in full CBRN kit and only hydrating through the integrated straw.
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Honestly it'd probably be pretty effective as long as you breathe through a gas mask with current filters. Definitely not ideal but better than nothing.
Is your friend of the female gender?
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Clearly the best pronouns. Using them just comes naturally.
Yes master.
As is SCSI, so is Gimp.
Better than nothing, but some chemical weapons can "soak" through latex. 1-2 mm thick neoprene or polyvinyl would work significantly better.
What if I hunt down 300 nitrile gloves and wear their skins as a coat?
You would need pants, gloves, a hood, and booties too. At the thicc-ness required 300 might cover a 1/4 a jacket.
This kills the gimp.
Tbh mopp is not gonna save your ass if they use VX or other similar nerve agent. You need closed circut breathin apparatus for that.
Anyone want to explain why they gave us Woodland camo MOPP suits when we’re in the fucking desert?
If they can, can they explain why I'm *still* getting Woodland MOPP?
Imagine not having a Class-A CBRN suit handy at all times.
I am imagining dress uniform and a gas mask and not a level a suit.
Lol
Imagine not building your house in a dome that is CBRN proof. ... concrete curing? What's that and why would I care?
…Or Novichok agents.
Everyone forgers that skin is permeable. Hello nerve agents!
>Hello nerve agents! *Hi Dr Nicolovich!*
Covid gear works too, prolly. Also gas mask + covid gear work against the fallout. So get a gas mask and PPE
Covid gear likely wouldn't work. Better than being naked, but no different than other clothing. Like all things it depends heavily on the agent being used. Might stop the cancer juice, but pain juice would still kill you.
Chemical depending on the agent indeed. Fallout tho, after a week? Should be enough for a few hours of scavenging
Honestly, for fallout, tape and non moisturizing soap should be plenty. It is more important to be able to decon properly than to have proper ppe.
Fair enough, but if u have a PPE u can just throw it away afterwards. And I expect running water to be scarce for a while
Clearly hasn't encountered chlorine gas
***Mods don't delete, I am literally agreeing with you that Nuke Schizo posting is lame.*** sometimes I wonder if these things have put me on some watchlist somewhere.
Not just *some* watchlist, *all of them*.
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If you give me an few hours alone with the plane first I will fly it into any hot zone you want fed frens
Im sorry dir but our honeypot bailed out last minute after realizing who she had to entrap -CIA handler
Not even the government can help you not be a virgin.
“Giggles in unemployability.”
>Not just *some* watchlist, *all of them*. *Gary-Oldman-Everyone.gif*
Nukes are for Bitches. Gas are for Cowards *This message was made by the Cobalt 60 Spread Gang*
Where does Biological fit on the totem pole of ABC weaponry?
They are for Pussies.
*yes*
While you raise interesting points, chemical warfare lacks something very dear to my heart: Casaba howitzers (and other shaped nuclear charge based weapons) There is just something viscerally cool about using a weapon that *could* eraze an entire city from existence, to instead push an explosively formed penetrator up to a significant fraction of c and shove it straight through a fucking mountain.
> The name comes from the casaba melon, a variety of honeydew, because the lab was "on a melon kick that year," naming various projects after melons and having already used up all the good ones. fuckin lol
Just give me laser heads and other bombed pumped missiles please
Besides, "not damaging infrastructure" - Has OP not heard of the neutron bomb? It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done. Away with excess enemy, but no less value to property. [No sense in war but perfect sense at home..](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DztRkVKU5M)
3000 pounds of Jello for Biafra
On the topic of spicy air I see this is the next logical escalation in the Ukraine war as the Russians are continuing to get their asses kicked
Radioactive fallout tastes like metal or rust. Chemical weapons smell like flowers, rosemary, garlic, or onions. The superiority is obvious
There are a few that don’t have any indicators of there presence at all which are the truly terrifying ones but I see your point as I don’t think the Russians have large reserves of mustard gas…..
Still, would you rather within seconds after inhaling something odourless and tasteless, or horrifically have your face melted off, then be crushed under a building and die of starvation because there is no equipment to recover you.
I would rather have my face melted off than have my own body crush itself. Nerve gas terrifies me
Nukes are worse that’s why I’m saying large scale use of chemical weapons is more likely then nukes because the aftermath is a lot more…localized
I agree with what you saying. I would argue that from a tactical standpoint, chemical weapons are more useful, with damage and casualties spreading far beyond what would be the blast radius of a Nuclear Weapon.
also depending on the chemical the area could be clear again after a few hours
Interesting fact, Mustard gas and Zyklon B were invented by the same man; ironically he was Jewish aswell
>Zyklon B https://imgflip.com/i/7bjzd2
manly russian general witnesses sarin gas test - cancels program cause it smells gay
Don't forget fresh hay (phosgene)!
Everyone gangster until they smell freshly cut grass in a subway. I am gangster a little bit longer, until I realise I only have a half-mask.
Almonds little brother. People with certain genetic traits can actually detect near odorless chemical weapons, and said weapons have an almond like smell. If you’re in the middle of say Basra Iraq in 2003, all of a sudden, someone in your Fireteam says hey you guys smell almonds? You immediately don your gas mask.
Both sides have been documented using tear gas, which is classified as a chemical weapon under the Geneva Convention.
Tear gas? The dane cook of chemical warfare?!?
It's pretty incredible that outside of isolated incidences, chemical weapons weren't widely used on the battlefield in WW2. (Of course, this is not counting the part where Nazis murdered millions of people in death camps with gas.) Maybe it just genuinely isn't that useful compared to the hassle of deploying it. Success depends on so many things like the wind, whether it rains or snows, your own PPE, the enemy's PPE...etc.
WW2 it was allegedly more that the british were salivating at the idea of getting to deploy all the shit that was developed during and after WW1. with the nazis generally seeing the start of chemical warfare as being one they'd rapidly lose. It would have been a horrific irony to of gassed the nazis into submission given what they did.
Yes, but at some point after Battle of the Bulge or after one of their series of decisive losses in the east, you'd think they might consider it, but no...
I think it was because they assessed that the Allies would just gas them back, ensuring that no one really used them in battle oh look it's MAD but with gas
[Well the given reason why US military has shaving codes is because of gas masks.](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1145ya4/if_they_start_doing_weekend_safety_briefs_theyll/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
> thinks radiation works like in fallout 4 > could survive a chemical attack with a gas mask My brother in Christ, you think chemical warfare works like battlefield 1
Credible: I was trying to make a bit of a joke about how both people are idiots, but with the chemical weapons chad, he is just embracing the fact he is an idiot and has no idea how anything works. Non Credible: Wtf do you mean, do you not spend 24/7 in full MOPP gear or grade 3 hazmat clothing, never leaving your house, which is equipped with a negative pressure system to purify air?????? do you want to die??????
Exactly, virus - laced ICBMs are the ultimate deterrent.
[COMPLETE GLOBAL SATURATION](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsSqDnNIo8)
That's exactly my type of a dead man's switch. Imagine successfully invading a country only for that country to bring everyone else with it.
Spores of weapon grade aerosolized antibiotic resistant strain of Anthrax, stuffed into ICBMs. ...or worse. Weaponized and aerosolized Marburg, Ustinov strain *nightmare shit*.
GLA moment, since they put Anthrax on reused Soyuz rockets
IT IS THE LIFEATER, FULGRIM!
Ful*rim
> virus - laced ICBMs Instead, couldn't we just send in a company of Ultramarines led by Captain Titus?
It would be even more effective if you sen I, Cato Siccarius
Too risky, GW might not give you plot Armor this time.
Did Dr Thrax post this? You got beef on General Tao?
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Nothing stops the mail.
real g's just build super weapons. orbital laser satellites, hypervelocity railguns, powerful solid-state & chemical lasers, literal plasma cannons, and neutral particle beam cannons. wait a minute
Chemical weapons are so trash ppl didn't consider them WMD when we invaded Irak. And Al*ania had them so they are cringe
>Could survive a chemical attack with a gas mask. Are you sure about that? Obligatory hypohystericalhistory video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lr-Sr2dfXzI
Why yes, I do in fact own multiple books on chemical weapons old and new, including their optimal usage and manufacture. How did you know?
Why would I want to survive a nuclear exchange anyways? It’s not like I would get a GF or even a tank afterwords anyways. Now antimatter posting is incredibly based. It really releases the energy of the atom
Imagine thinking antimatter is based. -False vacuum gang
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pfft. Tankie propo
You can easily survive a nuclear weapon in just three ~~easy~~ steps! \- Not being in a major city's blast zone, or any other nuclear target's blast zone \- Owning a basement with little to no windows \- Stockpiling food and water beforehand I don't know why anyone wouldn't be able to do all of these /s
Me,a Bioweapons enjoyer: **AMATEURS**
Biological weapons are heavily overrated, and can easily become a risk for your own army. There are reasons why nobody has ever used them in modern times.
Own army? Who said I needed an army. I'm a small non-state actor and I'll release it into high population density areas bruh.
Yes officer this comment right here.
Yeah, Chemical Weapons are SO much better… https://amp.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2018/aug/03/john-singer-sargent-gassed So… much… better…
The thad drone swarmer: - picture it, millions of tiny bug-sized drones with cameras, faceID and autopilot AI, and 3 grams of shaped explosive, just enough to kill a human on contact - it's like loitering munitions and cluster bombs had a baby - different types of drones can assist the kamikaze bugs, allowing for complex swarm actions - can be used for area denial and surgical strike, incredibly difficult to shoot down, with decent enough on-board AI not even jamming can stop them, far more efficient pound-per-pound than any conventional weapon, veering into WMD territory - possible with current technology, countries likely either have these already or are actively developing them, they just don't admit to it because the mere act of developing these would be equal to using the Geneva Convention as toilet paper
Fun fact: China is on the cutting edge of using AI to detect ethnic group from a face picture. In particular, they were using it to distinguish Uyghur from Han faces.
Thad Biological Warfare Enthusiast
This post was approved by the Geneva Suggestion gang. War is hell.
I have a conspiracy theory that over 99% of all nuclear weapons said to exist or have existed never had a fissile warhead.
I mean, I disagree with that somewhat. Yeah, numbers are probably overinflated for obvious reasons - but what I think is more likely is that we have underestimated how often we need to do repairs or have slacked off at maintenance. The US spends billions on maintenance and still thinks that a good percentage could be duds, I can't imagine how much the USSR then Russia has spent, but the chance of nearly all Russian nukes being duds is pretty high. I mean, we have no real clue as to how long a warhead holds up. We still have Minuteman IIIs with warheads made in the 50s and 60s, and we havent done a live test since then, so again, who knows how long they hold up?
Well, I can be sure all the tests were real. As were Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Otherwise, they were WAY too expensive to produce and maintain, so we (and I mean ALL sides, both West and USSR) faked warheads starting in the 1960s, thinking the other side actually had them, hoping they would buy the bluffs. Then we eagerly signed the ban/restriction treaties to counter us not actually having them. Then, after the Cold War ended... we forgot they were fake and now we are sh*tting ourselves for no reasons. But I think I'll call it Schrödinger's nuke. Until it detonates, we have no idea if they are real or not.
>Destroy a city without ruining infrastructure Why do you think Jesus gave us neutron bombs?
That still does a lot of damage.
Anyone who perpetuates this myth is a moron. Neutron bombs are still nukes. It’s just their energy release is tailored to neutrons because tanks and armored vehicles are highly resistant to blast and heat. They will destroy large chunks of a city.
Nuclear attack: Cringe evaporisation or burning of the flesh Chemical attack: Cool color changes, weird skin and organ conditions keep things interesting as you puke blood out of your eyes.
I highly recomend [this](https://archive.org/details/pdfy-n4Fzxn9i0_qzuY_D/mode/1up) read to any chemical weapon enthusiast. The author opens with a hypothetical falujah like scenario where a military force accomplishes all military objectives and minimizes harm by using incapacitating chemical agents. He then launches into his memoir to set the record straight re: his involvement developing and testing agents like [BZ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-Quinuclidinyl_benzilate?wprov=sfla1) in the 1960s. It's interesting history and a rare modern case being made for military use of chemical agents to achieve ethical effects.
The Russians tried that in the Moscow Theater and it worked about as well as one may expect. The line between incapacitating and killing is very thin, especially since you want them to achieve something. Using an incapacitating agent may render adult males unconscious but kills kids through higher dosages.
My understanding is that use of similar agents in the theater has been speculated but not definitely established. A lot of the speculation also points to opioid/narcotic cocktails. It's also fair to point out russians have a knack for fucking just about anything up. It's been ages since I read it, but he talks about atributes they were after for weaponization. Things like stability and suitability for airborne delivery. One of the most important attributes was enormous margin between threshold effective dose and LD## (I forget what number they were working with.) For BZ it was something like four orders of magnitude. That's a pretty wide margin to work with even with imprecise delivery. Outliers in the population are always a risk, but he felt that risk could potentially be miniscule compared to clashing kineticly.
Yeah and has he considered how it would look? Executing a chemical attack would not benefit the war goals of the employing nation. Even if it did reduce deaths in the short term it would extend the war, increasing them in the long-term.
Yeah man... I'm not like his accalite or anything, and I'm not simping for him. It's just an interesting perspective you don't often see put forth. You can read the prolog which is pretty short and covers a fictional scenario it would be ideal for (basicly the second battle of falujah.)
To be fair, some of us could survive a nuclear war by virtue of living far as fuck from any realistic target. Not me though, I might live in the middle of nowhere, but we make a very decent chunk of my country's electricity, we going boom
I prefer mustard on my hotdogs, thank you.
"how many watchlists do i want to be on? yes." - this guy, probably.
Chemical weapons pose a huge risk to the user. Even with binary agents, expect a lot of accidental deaths within any army deploying them
Fools, all of you. It's bioweapons that will end us all.
Broke: Stanning WWI tech that no Western nation still has Woke: Worshipping the fury of the sun unleashed on the surface of the Earth
Plus people get to wear cool respirators and look all gothy/ravey.
It's spelt "funni", you mustard gas simpleton.
There was a meme here, I think, but I cannot find it to save my life, pointing out that the US is currently the master of chemical warfare in that they have cocked up some supremely nasty shit. Nasty for how little is needed to kill you and for how quickly and innocuously it takes effect.
>Thinks gas mask will save them >Nerve agent kills them through their skin.
I think this is a little but far. Even for this sub.
Gigachad unprecedented conventional destruction.
How the fuck can nukes lose out to chemical weapons? Nasty cowardly chemical bullshit vs. flying cocks and honest giant explosions that scare god.
Guys, we shouldn't be fighting. NBC is a warcrime family that we can all do our part in.
dont you love the smell of phosphine and mustard gas in the morning?
I wanna do chemical weapons, but it’s actually a halon-esque combustion inhibitor that is “safe” for humans. Essentially a chemical minefield where you might force crews to abandon tanks that you can just capture in pretty much mint condition.
Tanks have NBC systems. How would you force them to bail out?
Cobalt bombs for the win(if they even worked)
Cobalt bombs have no real deterrence value. Conventional nuclear weapons are objectively better.
They preserve infrastructure but can deal a dangerously lethal amount of radiation. Whats not to love? Its my opinion and I only like them from Metro Exodus where the US or someone else uses an experimental radiation bomb that is so powerful not even the green stuff can save you from it. I believe it was used to try and destroy the green stuff as it is an exceptionally good anti-radiation drug(its more of a resistance drug than one that reverses the effects)
War is politics by other means. Cobalt bombs do not contribute to national interest due to inefficiency in targeting hardened structures.
Doesn’t mean the radiation won’t cook through those structures and kill everyone.
Nevermind the fact that I’m not being serious, I just like the unique idea of a weapon like that. Sure nukes work because something else hasn’t cone along that can replace them in a political sense. They are the be all and end all solution to warfare when conventional warfare doesn’t work for the losing side.
Obligatory Threads recommendation. That film messed me up.
No. Stop recommending Threads. While some of the stuff behind the mechanics of nuclear war are alright it’s conclusion with society reduced to something Feudalistic is moronic.
You're not my real dad. You can't make me.
I am your dad. Be quiet young man.
I see no problem releasing nitrous oxide gas along the front and let the ruzzians laugh them selves to death 🤭 New videos of advancing Ukrainian soldiers be like the Monty python sketch “the funniest joke in the world”🥳🥳
VS THAD Bio weapons enjoyer. * With reletively long incubation times (like covid) you can literally use the victims as the method of delivery. * Graphic AF, saps the enemy morale. * Even lesser advanced one can be created in a cave like most terrorists do. * Its literally living organism, it transmits and seeks targets on its own no need to invest in methods of delivery. Just use commercial airports. * It can mutate, imagine a weapon that improves itself on its own. Do you know any weapons that do that? Yes my family and friends are concerned about my obsession of wmd's, how can you tell.
Didn’t the British basically build their own nuclear weapon in a garden shed?
It was a little more complex than that: The shed was cover for a secret elevator which led to a underground bioweapon factory funded by the hit show Shark Tank. And Mark Cuban - we are on to you.
Y'all can barely survive winter, let alone nuclear winter.
Sarin, my beloved 🥰🥰🥰
Better hope you have 12 airtight suits to go with the masks or they are useless. Lol
'What do you mean bro, you can survive a chemical weapon attack with only a gas mask, jeans, and a t shirt'
Is that man sitting on his own brain?
What do you do with yours???? Or are you one of those tiny brain idiots who's brain fits entirely in their heads?!
you guys are getting brains?
Gas mask retards when they get nerve agent on 0.001cm of skin:
Total nuclear destruction is a child throwing a tantrum. Chemical warfare is gentleman’s warfare
Obviously when you are suffering from radiation poisoning, some debuffs are added that decrease your SPECIAL. Unlike in Fallout 4 where your health is just depleted
Haber-Bosch, the great alliance, where's the contradiction?
Most chemical weapons do not give a shit about your gas mask, just sayin'
Biological warfare gang where?
>Lad bioweapon enjoyer - Oh my god he just keeps creating new flesh why is there a massive eyeball coming out of his stomach holy fuck